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Re: Fencing for your survival site, some simple ideas
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2017, 10:42:57 AM »
Hedge laying blackthorn  0:55

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Re: Fencing for your survival site, some simple ideas
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2017, 10:48:27 AM »
first image posted by Paul Wheaton master steward, 2 yrs ago

Permies forum, hedge plants - for a living fence and coppicing or laying a hedge



https://permies.com/forums/imageCache/image/f92312f9e9e6ea48577f1cb7a3feacd4/brompton_hedgelaying_t.jpg

https://permies.com/t/43425/permaculture-projects/hedge-plants-living-fence-coppicing

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Note: on 2/23/15 I edited the subject line of this to better explain that we're wanting to plant a living fence, with coppicing trees that can be woven into a living fence ala the English "laying a hedge."

Following our plan to focus on food systems and aesthetics in 2015, we are planning hedge plantings inside our rock jack fencing, which will be inside the existing, decomposing barbed wire fencing.

Considering that we are in USDA hardiness zone 4 (or 5 sometimes), this is the list we've compiled so far:

common name   - botanical name - feature
thornless honeylocust - gleditsia triacanthos inermis - thorns, n-fixer
black locust - robinia pseudoacacia - thorns, n-fixer
hawthorn - crataegus (which one?) - thorns, pollinator, medicinal
black thorn/sloe gin - prunus spinosa - thorns, fruit
osage orange/hedge apples - maclura pomifera - thorns, hardwood
russian olive - eleagnus angustifolia - thorny, n-fixer, fruit
autumn olive - eleagnus umbellata - thorny, n-fixer, fruit
hornbeam - carpinus - "ironwood"
hazelnut - corylus americana? - nuts
black (red, white) mulberry - morus nigra - fruit

We're thinking all of these will coppice well and have woody enough stems to do hedge laying.

Threads that helped us come up with this list:
http://www.permies.com/t/39662/woodland/Steve-Transforming-Hedge
http://www.permies.com/t/38487/plants/hedge-laying-permaculture
http://www.permies.com/t/29975/forest-garden/Food-hedges

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Re: Fencing for your survival site, some simple ideas
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2017, 10:57:11 AM »
Yowbarb Note: This method uses electricity.
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Re: Fencing for your survival site, some simple ideas
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2017, 11:23:18 AM »
Blackthorn hedgerow.
What I read is, blackthorn serves as a good property division plant
good area security fence,
dividing off smaller areas.
I read it will keep predators like foxes out and keep domestic cats and dogs in.
Yields sloe berries to make sloe gin.
Flowers and berries for booze, jams, medicine compounds.
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http://www.treesandhedging.co.uk/blackthorn-prunus-spinosa/p418



http://www.treesandhedging.co.uk/prodzoomimg529.jpg

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Re: Fencing for your survival site, some simple ideas
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2017, 02:25:26 PM »
first image posted by Paul Wheaton master steward, 2 yrs ago

Permies forum, hedge plants - for a living fence and coppicing or laying a hedge



https://permies.com/forums/imageCache/image/f92312f9e9e6ea48577f1cb7a3feacd4/brompton_hedgelaying_t.jpg

https://permies.com/t/43425/permaculture-projects/hedge-plants-living-fence-coppicing

Jocelyn Campbell
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Note: on 2/23/15 I edited the subject line of this to better explain that we're wanting to plant a living fence, with coppicing trees that can be woven into a living fence ala the English "laying a hedge."

Following our plan to focus on food systems and aesthetics in 2015, we are planning hedge plantings inside our rock jack fencing, which will be inside the existing, decomposing barbed wire fencing.

Considering that we are in USDA hardiness zone 4 (or 5 sometimes), this is the list we've compiled so far:

common name   - botanical name - feature
thornless honeylocust - gleditsia triacanthos inermis - thorns, n-fixer
black locust - robinia pseudoacacia - thorns, n-fixer
hawthorn - crataegus (which one?) - thorns, pollinator, medicinal
black thorn/sloe gin - prunus spinosa - thorns, fruit
osage orange/hedge apples - maclura pomifera - thorns, hardwood
russian olive - eleagnus angustifolia - thorny, n-fixer, fruit
autumn olive - eleagnus umbellata - thorny, n-fixer, fruit
hornbeam - carpinus - "ironwood"
hazelnut - corylus americana? - nuts
black (red, white) mulberry - morus nigra - fruit

We're thinking all of these will coppice well and have woody enough stems to do hedge laying.

Threads that helped us come up with this list:
http://www.permies.com/t/39662/woodland/Steve-Transforming-Hedge
http://www.permies.com/t/38487/plants/hedge-laying-permaculture
http://www.permies.com/t/29975/forest-garden/Food-hedges
I made a stick-twig fence some years ago and it would definitely keep out dogs, coyotes, cattle, horses, and goats, but rabbits were always my downfall.  The smallest opening anywhere along the bottom was like a magnet.  With a tribe, though, I think this fence could be made, and be checked every day, but for one person it's a huge chore.

By filling in the smaller holes, or having thorn branches along the base of it, one could more easily deter rabbits.  We bought some special wire that looks just like chickenwire or poultrywire, but it has an "apron" at the bottom that gets buried, so nothing (supposedly) can get it.  Well, lo and behold, we saw rabbits go right through the holes.  The holes we discovered were "close" to the size of conventional chickenwire, but slightly larger!!  We had spent a lot of effort to install this fence, thinking that finally we'll have a rabbit-free garden.  Not. 

But later in a different garden we buried hardware cloth 8-10" down, and extended it upwards almost 4', and now rabbits cannot get in.  It's been several years of rabbit-free gardening.

But the stick/twig/wood fence idea is great as it costs no money and can be created from scraps found in the woods or along roadsides.

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« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2017, 04:40:36 PM »
Barb's suggestion of Siberian Pea was put in place as a young hedge here.  It's been slow to take off, but apparently becomes very dense as it matures.

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Re: Fencing for your survival site, some simple ideas
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2017, 03:33:04 PM »
Barb's suggestion of Siberian Pea was put in place as a young hedge here.  It's been slow to take off, but apparently becomes very dense as it matures.
Does it have thorns?  If not thorns, do you think it might deter rabbits?

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« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2017, 03:40:01 PM »
They're not exactly thorns, but called "spines," located between the compound leaves.  You may be hoping for something a bit more pronounced if using it as a deterrent.  :)

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Re: Fencing for your survival site, some simple ideas
« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2017, 12:24:21 AM »
Barb's suggestion of Siberian Pea was put in place as a young hedge here.  It's been slow to take off, but apparently becomes very dense as it matures.
Does it have thorns?  If not thorns, do you think it might deter rabbits?

I'm not sure if the blackthorn hedges would deter rabbits...

Here is a link which might help... i will be reading this info...Not fully understanding it, so far.


http://www.bathnes.gov.uk/services/environment/landscape/guidance-planting-and-establishing-hedges

7) If rabbits are a problem use shrub guards to protect plants – these are larger in diameter than spiral guards and so allow low lateral growth to develop. Use 60cm high shrub shelters with stakes

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Re: Fencing for your survival site, some simple ideas
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2017, 12:29:39 AM »
Barb's suggestion of Siberian Pea was put in place as a young hedge here.  It's been slow to take off, but apparently becomes very dense as it matures.

I had posted about Blackthorn, but maybe Siberian Pea was part of an article...

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« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2017, 12:34:14 AM »
Barb's suggestion of Siberian Pea was put in place as a young hedge here.  It's been slow to take off, but apparently becomes very dense as it matures.
Does it have thorns?  If not thorns, do you think it might deter rabbits?
Posted by Richard Valley,

https://permies.com/t/39562/Thorny-Hedgerow-deer-exclusion

Two foot or higher chicken wire will keep out rabbits, with a small part of the wire into the soil.

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« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2018, 11:54:24 PM »
Yowbarb Note: although the maker of this video admits the fence is not as secure as he could make it, yet - this is still a good concept, thorny bushes as a layer of defense for your home.
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Idea: How to use roses as thorny home security  0:42    240 views

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You can use roses, raspberries, and other thorny plants as organic razor wire to secure your home. If there is an area where someone could climb a fence or climb onto a roof or other area of your home where you don't want people to climb or be you can use roses effectively as deterrents and as a means to slow people down who would like to break into your yard or home. Roses are drought tolerant and easy to grow and very thorny. Raspberries are great and will spread and produce fruit you can eat but they need more water to grow

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« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2018, 12:08:15 AM »
Yowbarb Note: Rasberry bushes grow to 7 feet tall and are a little bit prickly.

How to Grow Raspberries
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