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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2011, 04:49:02 AM »
Totally agree erv especially how delicate the situation is in the Middle East and its not the first time Sarky has criticised other world leaders
"Of German Chancellor Angela Merkel, "she says she's on a diet then she helps herself to a second helping of cheese," he said. Of Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero: "perhaps he's not very intelligent."

When asked about Silvio Berlusconi's ability to deliver reform in Italy he was at least stuck for words - though the roll of his eyes spoke volumes.

Le Monde columnist Arnaud Leparmentier, quoting a member of the EU's European Council, said when fellow leaders pick up the phone to talk to one another, they will often joke, "do you want me to tell you what he (Sarkozy) said about you - or do you want to start by telling me what he said about me!"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15640952
I do tend to agree with him on Berlusconi though but a world leader should not act in such a manner.

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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2011, 08:29:57 AM »
November 17, 2011 – MOSCOW - A chilling warning of nuclear war erupting along Russia’s borders – including in Europe – came today from the Kremlin’s top military commander. General Nikolai Makarov said there could be a string of small-scale conflicts breaking out in the country. He said: ‘The possibility of local armed conflicts along nearly the whole border has increased dramatically. ‘In certain conditions, I do not rule out local and regional armed conflicts developing into a large-scale war, including using nuclear weapons.’ Makarov’s explosive words – sounding like an icy blast from the depths of the Cold War – will cause dismay and alarm in Eastern Europe. He linked the risk to former Warsaw Pact countries that have already joined NATO – and those which have expressed a willingness to join. He complained: ‘Practically all the countries of the former Warsaw Pact have become NATO members. The Baltic States that were part of the former Soviet Union have also joined the North Atlantic Alliance. Yet this year marks two decades of peace between Russia and its former Warsaw pact allies in Eastern Europe since the collapse of the USSR, and it was not immediately clear why the Kremlin’s top military figure had chosen such lurid language to characterize Moscow’s relations with its neighbors. The three Baltic countries of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania – which he picked out in a major speech – are minnows and do not appear to present any risk whatsoever to Moscow. Yet Russia is at odds with the U.S. over the American missile defense shield in Europe. The U.S. has also joint a NATO joint cyber command center based in Estonia. –Daily Mail excerpt
India to increase armaments on  China border: India has acquired two more Israeli-made EL/M-2075 Phalcon Airborne Warning and Control Systems, which is similar to the U.S. AWACS, to deploy on its border with China. The Phalcon system is capable of detecting troop movements, armor column divisions and cruise missiles. The Time of India also reported that the Indian army has deployed another regiment of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, a precision-strike weapon with a range of around 200 miles for border security defense. The missiles likely will be deployed in the state of Arunachal Pradesh state in the northeast along the remote and contested border with China, the report said. BrahMos missiles are intended to counter China’s huge buildup of military infrastructure all along the 4,057-kilometer (2,500-mile) Line of Actual Control following a similar deployment along the western sector of the country facing Pakistan. 
U.S. perfects super-strike weapon: The U.S. successfully tested the second-phase of its hypersonic missile system for its Prompt Global Strike’ program- a missile defense weapon capable of striking targets anywhere in the world in about an hour. The latest weapons test was launched by a rocket from Hawaii at 1130 GMT. The “Advanced Hypersonic Weapon,” or AHW, glided through the upper atmosphere over the Pacific “at hypersonic speed” before striking its target on the Kwajalein atoll in the Marshall Islands, a Pentagon statement said. Prompt Global Strike was developed by the U.S. for a quick retaliatory response from would-be adversaries or what the U.S. considers ‘rogue or terrorist states.’ U.S. super-sonic missile technology also brings the Pentagon into the same arena with Russia, China and India who have already deployed hypersonic guided-missile technology in their weaponry. -The Extinction Protocol

http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/russian-general-warns-border-conflicts-could-lead-to-nuclear-war/


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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2011, 03:11:28 PM »
Thank God for Ronald Reagon and his star wars program, without that early research we wouldn't be able to stop  a single missle. I remember how the whole concept of missle defence was made fun of. Hopefully they can be stopped while they are out of our atmosphere, lately I have been getting a feeling that we may see real testing of our missle defence.

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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2011, 06:50:45 PM »
Bill, unfortunately, the defense setup we currently have will only knock the out at 30000-40000 ft. If there is a nuclear detonation at that height, there will be residual radiation but not in the dust. The EMP effect will be harsh though. We used those same setup missiles overseas to neutralize incoming missiles. It worked pretty good, although a few made it through. There are still birds in orbit, but there's not enough to do much if we go to Global Thermonuclear Conflict. You are looking at thousands of missiles firing from each country. Not a good situation. Thank God we didn't de-comission everything. Russia sure didn't.
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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2011, 10:13:55 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-15866989
China navy to carry out Pacific exercises

"China's navy will carry out exercises in the Pacific Ocean in the coming days, amid continuing tension over maritime disputes in the region.
The defence ministry said the drills were routine and were not targeting any specific country.
China is locked in territorial rows with several nations, and the US has recently made a series of announcements bolstering its presence in the region.
A Pentagon spokesman said the US had no problem with the naval exercises.
Captain John Kirby said that China was "entitled to exercise their military in ways they deem fit".
A short statement on the defence ministry's website announced the exercises late on Wednesday.

"This is an annual, planned, routine drill. It is not directed at any specific country or target and is in keeping with relevant international laws and practices," said the statement.
"China's freedom of navigation and other legal rights should not be obstructed."
Japanese defence officials reported seeing six warships sailing in international waters near the country's southern Okinawa prefecture.
China has clashed with several other nations in the South China Sea, where countries including Vietnam and the Philippines have overlapping claims.
US President Barack Obama announced last week that the US was boosting its presence in the region, and will base a full Marine task force in northern Australia.
Analysts say the US move is a direct challenge to China's attempts to dominate the area, and is likely to bolster US allies in the South China Sea dispute."

Russia & China both Saber Rattling now:-X  i suppose it's not a new phenomena but it does seem like everything is coming together as it were (financial meltdown etc etc)

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2011, 09:12:00 AM »
Iran launches 3 new submarines
Islamic Republic expands fleet which according to estimates now sports 14 Ghadir-type submarines
"Iran has expanded its fleet launching three new Ghadir-class submarines, Iranian Navy Commander Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari announced on Saturday.
 "All parts of these submarines, including their body and their advanced radar equipment and defense systems, have been designed and manufactured by our country's defense experts and with the help of the Defense Ministry," the admiral said in a press conference. It is estimated that Iran now has at least 14 Ghadir-class submarines which are said to be as advanced as Western vessels.
 The submarines are armed with torpedo missiles and were manufactured according to the geographical and climate conditions and specifications of Iranian waters.
 Earlier Saturday, Iranian military officials hinted that Ghadir-class submarines improve the navy's ability to defend Iranian territorial waters." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4153329,00.html

Countries do this all the time but there is a quatrain from Nostradamus
Century II Quatrain 5
That which is enclosed in iron and letter in a fish,
Out will go one who will then make war,
He will have his fleet well rowed by sea,
Appearing near Latin land. 

and one of the prophecies to 'come out' of the 13 boxes that were shown to Dannion Brinkey by the beings of light was "a submarine powering through the waters of the Middle East, piloted by people i knew to be Iranians. I could tell their purpose was to stop the shipping of oil from the Middle East. They were so praiseful of God  in their speech that i had the sense that this was some kind of religious mission."

I know Nostradamus's one could be any country piloting the 'iron fish' and that all prophecies can change etc just though it of interest especially with all the 'accidents' ;) in Iran at the moment.

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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2011, 05:53:34 AM »
Mel and All,
first thing I hears this AM. Iran claims to have shot down one of the
unmanned US drones. Still being investigated, apparently.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/04/world/meast/iran-drone/index.html?iref=allsearch

Unclear whether Iran shot down drone, a U.S. official says
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 5:30 AM EST, Mon December 5, 2011


(CNN) -- Iran's military on Sunday claimed it shot down a U.S. drone into eastern Iran.

VIDEO on this page: 
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/04/world/meast/iran-drone/index.html?iref=allsearch

State media cited a military official who identified the aircraft as an RQ-170 Sentinel.

NATO's International Security Assistance Force said a U.S. unarmed reconnaissance aircraft was flying a mission over western Afghanistan -- which borders Iran -- last week when operators lost control.

A U.S. official with knowledge of the incident said the crew operating the unmanned drone reported a loss of flight control just before the drone went down.

U.S. officials believe the drone Iran is referring to may be the same one, but the U.S. government has not confirmed that it was shot down, the source said.

The RQ-170 Sentinel is a stealth drone developed for the Air Force to help provide intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance. Although the Sentinel was developed for the Air Force, the U.S. official did not say whether it was the U.S. military or the U.S. intelligence community operating the drone at the time of the incident.

The official said the drone's mission was to fly over Afghanistan. American officials over the years have been adamant that U.S. assets do not fly over Iranian air space.

Iranian media reported that the RQ-170 was slightly damaged and in the hands of Iranian forces.

"Armed forces with a dominant control over the country's borders managed to identify and down the invading plane," the Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

The unnamed Iranian military official called it a "clear example of aggression" and added that Iran is "fully ready to counter any aggression," the report said.

In July, Iran's military made a similar claim, saying it downed a U.S. "spy drone" flying near its Fordo nuclear enrichment plant in Qom province. But Iran backtracked on the statement a few days later, saying the incident was actually part of a training exercise.

CNN's Barbara Starr, Mohammed Tawfeeq, and Josh Levs contributed to this report.

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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2011, 09:35:43 AM »
Great catch Barb! Very serious business there, as anyone with a bit of common sense knows that if the pilots lost control of the drone over Afghanistan, it would have crashed there.
Erv

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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2011, 02:00:43 PM »
Great catch Barb! Very serious business there, as anyone with a bit of common sense knows that if the pilots lost control of the drone over Afghanistan, it would have crashed there.
Erv

Well apparently Iran still claiming they shot it down... which I do not necessarily believe either...

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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2011, 02:58:37 AM »
Maybe just another hissy fit in not getting their own way again - diddums - NOT, but maybe something more.

Hu Jintao tells China navy: Prepare for warfare

"China's navy should speed up its development and prepare for warfare, President Hu Jintao has said.
He told military personnel they should "make extended preparations for warfare".
China is locked in territorial disputes with several other nations in the South China Sea. Political tension is also growing with the US, which is seeking to boost its presence in the region.
After Mr Hu's comments, the US said China was entitled to defend itself.
"Nobody's looking for a scrap here," said Pentagon spokesman Admiral John Kirby in quotes carried by the AFP news agency.
"Certainly we wouldn't begrudge any other nation the opportunity to develop naval forces."
Senior US and Chinese officials are currently holding talks on military issues.
The one-day meeting takes place every year, with the stated aim of ensuring there are no misunderstandings between the two nations.
'Sovereignty dispute'
China has recently acquired its first aircraft carrier and has been vocal about its naval ambitions.
But its military remains primarily a land-based force, and its naval capabilities are still dwarfed by the US.
Mr Hu told a meeting of military officials that the navy should "accelerate its transformation and modernisation in a sturdy way, and make extended preparations for warfare in order to make greater contributions to safeguard national security".
The word "warfare" was used in official media, but other translations used "military combat" and "military struggle".
Analysts say Mr Hu's comments are unusually blunt, and are likely to be aimed at the US and Beijing's rivals in the South China Sea.
Both the Philippines and Vietnam have repeatedly accused China of overt aggression in the region.
They are among the nations claiming sovereignty over islands in the sea in the hope that there could be oil and gas deposits there.
And US President Barack Obama announced last month that the US was boosting its presence in the region, and will base a full Marine task force in northern Australia.
Analysts say the US move is a direct challenge to China's attempts to dominate the area, and is likely to bolster US allies in the South China Sea dispute."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-16063607

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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2011, 06:38:50 AM »
It appears Iran does have the US spy drone. Will post more details on how they got it...

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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2011, 09:55:30 AM »
Oh they have it alright. It's not hard to figure out how it got there, and it's not the only one. There are intel gathering forces on the ground as well (Humint/Sigint).
Erv

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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2011, 04:02:38 AM »
N Korea 'Test Fires Missile' After Kim's Death

North Korea has reportedly conducted a short-range missile test - just hours after it revealed leader Kim Jong-il had died of heart failure aged 69.

South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted unidentified government officials as saying the missile was fired off the country's east coast.
It comes after the North announced via state TV that Kim, who ruled for 17 years and tormented the West with his nuclear weapons testing, died on Saturday.
People in the country's capital Pyongyang wept openly in the streets, while the rest of the world called for calm and South Korea put its military on high alert.
The so-called "hermit kingdom" will now be led by Kim's youngest son, Jong-un, who is aged in his 20s, was educated in Europe and is said to speak several languages.
In recent months he had accompanied his father on trips around the impoverished nation after being named as successor in September 2010.
But the late Kim's long pursuit of nuclear weapons and the military's repeated threats to South Korea and the US have stoked fears that war could again break out.
Even with a new leader in place, there have been some fears of a behind-the-scenes power struggle within the military.
Sky News' Asia correspondent Holly Williams, who has visited North Korea several times, said: "Kim Jong-un has been announced by state media as 'The Great Successor'.
"But the questions is, will he be able to hang onto that power with the iron grip that his father had?"
The North's official news agency said the country, people and military "must faithfully revere respectable comrade Kim Jong-un.
"We have to change sadness to strength and courage and overcome today's difficulties," it said."
for full report see http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16133036

"The US government was reportedly about to announce a deal to send food aid to North Korea in exchange for Pyongyang possibly suspending its controversial nuclear enrichment programme.
Sky News' US correspondent Greg Milam"
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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2011, 04:13:27 AM »
Very alarming info, inselemel!!!!!!!!I was just listening to the news and they report the new young leader, Jong-un, as brash and rash.  I don't think I like the idea of this short-range missile test at this time, not one bit!

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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2011, 09:05:58 AM »
It is alarming but hopefully it is just the new guy showing the world he is not to be messed with, hopefully only a bit of bravado but maybe it is the start of more things to come???!!!