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All Seed Topics Here / Re: SEEDS...
« Last post by R.R. Book on Today at 12:41:52 PM »
Beautiful pics Ilinda!  I didn't realize collards produced seed pods like that - wonder if they're edible?
Latest headlines since the previous lists in this topic, most recent first from each source.

*  May 28, 2017 - Part 1: Lots of 2017 Surprises On Jupiter.  Click for report.
*  Part 2: CIA Release of 1973 Controlled Remote Viewing of Jupiter.  Click for report.

*  Strong and shallow M6.6 earthquake hits Sulawesi, Indonesia
*  Bogoslof [volcano] erupts ash possibly as high as 13.7 km (45 000 feet), Alaska [Aleutian Islands]

*  We are repeating 14th century climate during the Wolff Grand Solar Minimum
*  Several dead, trees uprooted & streets blocked as severe storm hits Russian capital (PHOTO, VIDEO)
*  Massive sinkhole appears on a ring road in Changchun, China

*  Five killed by lightning strikes in Manikganj, Bangladesh
*  Student films gigantic lightning bolt within metres of him in Mutley, UK
** Gonna need a bigger boat: 9ft great white shark leaps into fisherman's boat (PHOTOS) [Australia]
*  Severe storm leaves 138,000 without power across Memphis [Tennessee USA]
*  Floods bring rush hour chaos to Bangkok; heaviest rainfall event in one Thailand province for a decade
*  Alaska's Bogoslof volcano sends ash clouds over 35,000 feet high [Aleutian Islands]
*  Lightning strikes kill at least 20 people in a day across Bihar, India

Nothing new in
EARTH CHANGES / Re: Earthquakes General - 2017
« Last post by Jimfarmer on Today at 08:31:35 AM »
USGS and EMSC do not agree.  Reporting totals from both.
Earthquake totals in last 24 hours according to:
23 'quakes of magnitude >2.4   Total mags = 87.8   Avg mag = 3.82 (*)
72 'quakes of magnitude >2.4   Total mags = 247.3   Avg mag = 3.43
(*) magnitude >2.4 in USA, and >4.4 elsewhere.  (>2.4 worldwide not available)
Three strongest quakes from either site:
*  Mag. 5.0  in mid-south central South Atlantic Ocean, opp. Tierra del Fuego (both sites)
*  Mag. 4.9  in north-east Chile (both sites).
*  Mag. 4.8  offshore west mid-south Indonesia (EMSC.  USGS: absent).

Largest groups of multiple quakes from either site:
*  15  in Turkey; west, and east (EMSC.  USGS: 0).
*  10  in Chile; north to mid-south (EMSC.  USGS: 1).
*  8  in Alaska; mid-east south, on and off south coast peninsula upper to lower, and south-east nearby in Canada (USGS  EMSC: 6).
*  5  in Italy; central mid-east, and off the west coast south (EMSC.  USGS: 0).
From USGS:
*  Little shakers (mag. 1.0 ~ 2.4) in Alaska and nearby in Canada (39 Qs), Hawaii, Washington (state), Montana, California, Nevada, and Tennessee (USA);  in south-west British Columbia (SW Canada);  in northern Baja California (NW Mexico);  and NOT in Puerto Rico region.
*  38 little shakers in California, Nevada, and nearby in Mexico; plus many smaller ones.
*  Stronger 'quakes (mag. > 2.4) in Montana, California, Oklahoma, and Kansas (USA);  and in Alaska and nearby in Canada.
Notes:  Quarry blasts and explosions are excluded from above lists and totals.
USGS lists some sites near borders as near locations across the border.

82 earthquakes of magnitude >1.9 in last 24 hours in Euro-Med region, according to (52 approx. in Turkey)
Food for Survival / Re: GARDENING: potato gardening
« Last post by R.R. Book on Today at 08:31:15 AM »
Wanted to continue the topic of growing potatoes off of the SEED site, so that other aspects of it could be discussed.

"Butte" is a somewhat rare russett that has "20% more protein and 58% more vitamin C" than other cultivars, according to Wikipedia.  It is resistant to late blight and nematodes, but vulnerable to bacterial Verticillium wilt.  Seems to be sold out everywhere except places like Etsy.

So my query is this:  If the "Butte" potato cultivar is such a fine potential source of vegan protein for the aftertime, as well as a good source of C, how can we amend our horticultural practices in order to help the plants not succumb to Verticillium?

Some ideas for small homesteaders without space to rotate beds:
1. Alter the pH. The old advice for growing potatoes called for "slightly" acid soil pH of around 6.  Cornell University is now advising that potato soil pH be much lower, as low as 4.8, in the range of acidic blueberry soil ( ).  A rainy season will wash alkaline minerals out of the soil and acidify it, whereas a dry environment will concentrate alkaline minerals.  Amendments might include diluted vinegar solution of 2T/gallon of water.  Powdered vinegar can be stored longer than liquid, and is available for around $5/pound.

2. Reconsider what we define as being "soil."  Planting potato seed in chopped leaves, peat moss, anything to loosen up the planting medium and aerate it will help to break the cycle of disease.

3. Allow potatoes to go through periods of drought by not irrigating. Potatoes prefer to be grown a little on the drier side, and excess moisture breeds bacteria.

4. Add colloidal silver to the planting hole in small amounts.

5. Or solarize the plot with black plastic covering in late winter/early spring

6. Conversely or subsequently, add old milk (including milk made from storage powder) for probiotics.  Or how about Socrates' idea of mead from honey for probiotics?

7. If adding wood ash for nutrients, add more vinegar than suggested above, or use it more often. Same with lime/calcium carbonate.  The carbon content of both will also help to purify soil.

8. Encourage "Butte" to crossbreed with "Sierra" to increase natural verticillium resistance ( )

Other ideas?
PERMACULTURE / Re: agrobusiness = "agriculture"
« Last post by Socrates on May 28, 2017, 11:21:55 PM »
LESSON # 1: Make no mistake: do not seek to compromise

AGRICULTURE is about TAXATION and REGULATION; it is NOT about growing food; it's about growing food in such a way that is convenient to TPTB [the powers that be]

Lesson # 1 in relation to sustainable methods of growing food is to radically discard all methods that promote unsustainability; in other words: "agriculture".
In this article on the evils of foodlots i came across one powerful sentence that succinctly sums up what "agriculture" truly is:
Feedlots and other CAFOs (Confined Animal Feeding Operations) are not the inevitable product of agricultural progress, nor are they the result of market forces. They are instead the result of public policies that massively favor large-scale feedlots to the detriment of family farms.

This reality should really hit home for everyone on Earth! We've all gotten away from being at all responsible for (our) food and complacently go to, and rely on, supermarkets for our basic needs. Our generation has indeed produced and enjoyed wonderful improvements, but they are sadly coupled with the destruction of the necessary and common sense fact that it is downright idiotic to leave your daily nutritional needs in the hands of professionals and politicians...
Agriculture is right up there with overpopulation and destruction of privacy; it's about the evil of our day; it is not about our generation's accomplishments.

Furthermore, the destruction of family farms in favor of massive agrobusiness is a societal issue of the gravest import. Not in the least because of the implicit conditioning of the cultural mind that it is normal, inevitable and even good to have a tiny percentage of the population deal with growing food while 95+% ignore their basic human responsibilities in this arena. And the sad result of these developments is also that poor quality leading to basic malnutrition has conditioned the masses to accept that an 80% cancer/heart disease risk is normal...

The idea that one cut down one's forests and replace them with monocrop fields of hybridized crops as well as cruel inefficient and quality-poor animal husbandry practices isn't 'progress' or 'better', let alone inevitable. This is one of mankind's pubescent phases it has to go through (apparently) before something more mature is (finally) accomplished. No more, no less. And if anyone thinks modern agricultural practices are anything but evil, they are themselves ignorant, stupid or evil.
Permaculture is just the yang coming forth after a whole lot of yin...2773
Ways Of Our Past / Re: Native American survivor stories, tales, future?
« Last post by ilinda on May 28, 2017, 06:49:54 PM »
THANKS for posting this.  We need to remember this and should be teaching children the truth!
All Seed Topics Here / Re: SEEDS...
« Last post by ilinda on May 28, 2017, 06:47:45 PM »
Here are a couple more pics of crops we grow.  I have grown collards for decades and have used my own seeds, so one could say they've become acclimated to this locale, and are now a landrace of this area.

Collards are one of the most versatile crops around, resistant to extreme heat, plus can tolerate well below zero deg. F. for extended periods, although it helps to layer a bit of old hay/mulch on them at the beginning of winter.

Collards in my opinion are as good or better than kale or any of the other greens.

One pic shows the second year plants of this biennial in flower.  Other pic shows the seed pods that will turn brown and provide thousands of living seeds.
Adding to Barb's wonderful coconut oil paste recipe, some recipes for Cansema black salve here: .  Wikipedia warns against it due to skin burning by the ingredient blood root.  As a less-caustic alternative, Christopher's Black Ointment is used by the Amish and does not contain blood root.  Ingredients: Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Chaparral Leaf, Comfrey Root, Red Clover Blossom, Mullein Leaf, Plantain Leaf, Chickweed Herb, Lobelia Herb, Golden Seal Root, Marshmallow Root, Poke Root, Pine Tar & Beeswax.
Ways Of Our Past / Re: Native American survivor stories, tales, future?
« Last post by Yowbarb on May 28, 2017, 01:42:45 PM »  NATIVE NEWS ONLINE.NET

Celebrating Native Voices



WASHINGTON – On this day in 1830, President Andrew Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act.

The Act established a process whereby the president could grant land west of the Mississippi River to Indian tribes that agreed to give up their homelands. As incentives, the law allowed the Indians financial and material assistance to travel to their new locations and start new lives and guaranteed that the Indians would live on their new property under the protection of the United States Government forever.


By the end of his presidency, he had signed into law almost seventy removal treaties, the result of which was to move nearly 50,000 eastern Indians to Indian Territory—defined as the region belonging to the United States west of the Mississippi River but excluding the states of Missouri and Iowa as well as the Territory of Arkansas—and open millions of acres of rich land east of the Mississippi to white settlers. Despite the vastness of the Indian Territory, the government intended that the Indians’ destination would be a more confined area—what later became eastern Oklahoma.

The Indian Removal Act set in motion the Trail of Tears, which attributed to the genocide of thousands of American Indians and the death of one-quarter Cherokee people. For this reason, Jackson is referred to by American Indians as the “Indian-killer” president and does not feel he should be honored or celebrated in any fashion.
Here is something which may seem a bit random. Maybe this will help someone.
As someone who would prefer to be vegetarian or mostly, most of the time, I am still juggling this and that in the way of beliefs, concepts and my own health issues.

What I have come up with is I will gradiently start doing do a version of the Ketogenic and the SCD diets.
I am not always so strong on self discipline...

I do not want to go back to eating red meat. I don't even feel that great eating chicken... turkey is better as per the Type O diet...but I do not want a ton of animal protein...

My solution for now, which I wanted to share is, I will start mainly a ketogenic diet and allow fish and seaweed etc. (being careful of sources of fish etc.)
I have already added a lot of fat to my diet such as the butter or ghee and the coconut oil (my bulletproof coffee which I found out about from Socrates.)

It's just my thing, would prefer to eat low on the food chain. NOTE: In a survival situation, hey I will go out with a bow and arrow and catch and cook anything I can get my hands on for my family...If kids are hungry, whether it is a cow, rabbit, buck or possom I will do my best to get it.

I would eat whatever is available...I would prefer to catch and dry fish if that is possible!

So here is a link to a discussion about this stuff... fish for keto and even a vegan or vegetarian keto, info on... Bear in mind I do NOT know if these alternative forms of keto work but I do know there are a lot of people who would prefer to modulate the diet to fit existing lifestyles... I hope it works for them. I hope it works for me. Here is one discussion:
"Keto without red meat?" 
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