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Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« on: December 05, 2012, 08:57:52 PM »
This topic is for current factual information about the upcoming pole shift.  Recent forecasts would be acceptable, but not dreams or ancient prophesies.  Timing indications, especially related to ascension, are of special interest.  ({[Please no minimize aside remarks, so as to keep related postings close together.  Thanks - Jim]})

Here is a link to a similar topic, "Re: Here is the expected Px-distances from Earth, dates, and Angles of Planet X wit" , in this same section: http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=1735.0

Here is another relevant bit from "Re: Understanding Earth Changes: Member jroberts69 posted this site"  « Reply #4 on: December 02, 2012, 10:23:56 AM » at http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=3480.msg65017#msg65017 :

" So, as always, it is good news and bad news.  Well, even the bad news is good in relation to it being indications of progress towards that aspect of the transformation that require physical changes as well as spiritual changes.  The final result should be worth the pain for those who are of Service-To-Others orientation.
 
I am working on a report that will be useful to us all.  Hint: pole shift predicted for mid-May 2013 -- moderate confidence.  I'll send it out as a special edition of 2012 News [my personal newsletter -- Jim] in a few days.  "

And another bit in " Re: The Big Picture « Reply #43 on: November 17, 2012, 08:01:25 PM »" at  http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=383.msg64606#msg64606 :

" To review the very basics of the situation at this time:
1)  The flyby of Planet X will cause a pole shift of 84 degrees.
2)  Ascension to fourth density will happen, but some humans and other life forms will not ascend with the Earth.
3)  As of this date, 17/nov/12, we do not know which will happen first, pole shift or ascension, nor do we know any approximate dates, although there is ample evidence that preliminaries of both events/processes have been in progress for several years and are intensifying.
4)  A very, very large number of spirits and extraterrestrials are involved in both processes, and they will render some assistance in some situations, but that does not imply mass rescue, although some large-scale operations might occur.
 
So, I suggest that you hope for the best but prepare for the worst.  Well, prepare yourself and immediate family for both the pole shift and the ascension, in hopes that you will survive the pole shift if it happens first and also qualify for ascension and/or assistance in any case.  "
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Re: Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2012, 09:07:41 PM »
Parts of a channeling today at http://www.galacticchannelings.com/english/mike05-12-12.html :

[start extracts]
With only days to go to the first part of your experience of a powerful upliftment, we urge you to try and arrange to be free on the 12th. and able to relax and enjoy it. As a key moment in your Ascension process, it is one to be totally aware of and remembered for the intensity of the energy. It is not that every person will have an identical experience, but if you are prepared for it you will be left with some memory of the changes within. Some of you will wake up from your sleep before 11.11 Universal time, and will be able to have full awareness of what is taking place. Others will sleep through it, yet may have vivid dreams when the energies are at work. However, all will receive the energies and benefit from them regardless of their conscious state at the time.

To have Ascension follow on so quickly after 12.12. means that you will have an ongoing experience, that will heighten your senses and leave you in no doubt that you have benefitted from it. It will be a most uplifting occasion and there will be a new mood of happiness and joy within those you meet. You will be able to feel the difference in people around you, and sense a deeper calmness and peace as if suddenly all the darkness has gone.
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If you are one who experiences little change in your self, do not be concerned as according to your metabolism it will affect some people in different ways. From this month onwards your progress will speed up, as the excitement builds up at the prospect of disclosure. It can come in different ways, so expect the unexpected as certain options remain open. ... Many countries have already made it known that we will be welcome to visit them, and each one in turn will be paid a visit. Major events such as a flyover will happen a little later
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People will soon start talking amongst themselves about the Ascension process, having heard that something major is due to take place. There will be some confusion as they will not know who to turn to for the truth. As Lightworkers you can come into your own and gently spread the word, taking care not to overdo the "end time" scenario.
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As your vibrations move higher you will find that you can not only halt the aging process, but also reverse it
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Do not expect the changes to all come at once, as they usually come with your continued evolution and progress through the different dimensions. ... For the time being the most important thing is for you not to relax your concentration on Ascension, and keep out of anything that is still strictly of the lower vibrations. You should be continuing to cleanse your body and releasing anything that is of the 3D world. You are leaving it now and cannot take the old remnants of your attachments to it. That should be easy as they will no longer serve you in any way. You may also find yourself moving from your old crowd of friends, because they do not represent your interests any more.
[end extracts]
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So, perhaps ascension will happen before the pole shift, or at least be well advanced by then.  Regarding my report about pole shift date:  I have found irregularities in part of the source data, so now I can't use it verbatim, as I expected to do.  So far, the partial result is: "the pole shift can be expected to occur in April, August, or December of some year."  I will post section by section as I finish them.
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Re: Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2012, 03:23:56 PM »
Here is the Introduction and Section 1 of the essay that I am working on about possible dates for the pole shift.
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DATES FOR THE POLE SHIFT

Introduction

The Zetas (extraterrestrials from a planet in the star system Zeta Reticuli), channeled by the human Nancy Lieder, have given many tidbits of information about the predicted pole shift of the Earth during the flyby of Planet X.  They have declined to specify a date, however, because they do not want to provide assistance to those who oppose their work, such as members of the cover-up operation that has been active for many decades.  Nevertheless, they have provided a few clues as to possible time frames.  This essay presents those clues and discusses some possible interpretations of them.

Another reason not to specify a date is that the expected effects of the flyby have been delayed and reduced significantly from what the Zetas predicted years ago.  Evidently, they do not control the situation, and even their predictions are subject to uncertainty due to unforeseen developments.

The main source reference for this essay is the twelve-page document "Summary of Zetatalk Clues" which is available at  http://www.pssurvival.com/PS/2-Pole_Shift/2-Summary_of_Zetatalk_Clues_Used_to_Discover_the_PS_Date_2010.pdf.  It will be referred to as "Clues" in citations below.

The Zetas have also specified a sequence of situations that will precede the pole shift during a period of 49 days.  Those situations, and their durations, are:
* 9 days  Severe Wobble
* 4.5 days  static Lean to the Left
* 2.5 days  progression toward 3 Days of Darkness.
* 3 Days of Darkness
* 6 days of Sunrise West
* 18 days of Slowing Rotation
* 6 (5.9) days of Rotation Stoppage
The pole shift then occurs on day 50.  (From http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta582.htm)

Further details, and a slight variation about the duration of the last weeks, is given in  "ZetaTalk: Last Weeks Countdown" at http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta582.htm.
Here is a brief extract:

[start extract]
What starts the process of the last weeks, with all their extreme gyrations, is a threshold being crossed. The dithering we have been describing - where Planet X, the Earth and the other planets caught in the cup (Dark Twin and Venus) are all bouncing around, reacting to movement in another, to crowding of magnetons or other particles - reaches an explosive point. During this time Planet X moves to the right as far as possible, to evade the ever increasing particle crowding, but is still outbound, steadily. Thus, visibility is enhanced, and Second Sun sightings are common. This is the start of the 7.3 week period we described, where it would be unmistakably visible to all on Earth. [my emphasis]

Then, 7.3 times 7 is 51 days, not 49.  Perhaps the start of the time of visibility starts two days before the 9 days of severe wobble begin.  That ambiguity is not important in this case, but it is an example of interpretations by the team of humans involved in Zetatalk material being inaccurate or even incorrect.
[end extract]

Section 1 - Relation To The Sun's Magnetic Trimesters

According to the Zetas, the Sun has three magnetic "arms" that the Earth encounters during the time intervals of  1) January, February, March, and April,  2) May, June, July, and August,  and 3) September, October, November, and December.  (http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx612.htm)

Note that although the number of months is the same in the three intervals, the number of days varies slightly.  The number of days in those intervals, according to the Gregorian calendar for a non-leap year, are: 1) 120,  2) 123,  and 3) 122.  So, if the magnetic trimesters are of equal duration, then the end dates can vary by two days around some common date in the last months of the intervals.

Note also that magnetic fields do not have sharp boundaries (except possibly at boundaries of the medium in which they occur, but that is not the case in interplanetary space where the magnetic arms are located), and so the beginning and end locations of the Sun's magnetic arms are probably not delimited by abrupt physical discontinuities.  The magnetic field strength that the Earth encounters almost certainly varies smoothly in waves, although those waves might not be precisely the familiar sine or cosine waves of trigonometry (appropriately shifted).

The only unambiguous clues that the Zetas have provided are the following.
1) The pole shift will occur at the end of a magnetic trimester.  (Clues page 2)
2) The last weeks - 3 days of darkness and all - will all occur within a magnetic trimester.  (Clues page 2)
3) "The Christmas Hammer has a relationship to the Magnetic Trimesters described by the Zetas because one of the trimesters ends on December 17"   and  "ZetaTalk Explanation 11/26/2011: The Christmas Hammer is caused in great part by the December switch in Magnetic Trimester which occurs at approximately December 17 on the Earth calendar."  (http://www.zetatalk5.com/newsletr/issue323.htm)

Counting back 122 days from December 17, the date of end of the second trimester would be August 17;  and counting forward 122 days from December 17 during a leap year, the date of the end of the first trimester would be April 17, provided that the trimesters are of equal duration.

Therefore, the pole shift can be expected to occur in April, August, or December of some year, not later than the 17th of each of those months.

Note, however, that "The Christmas Hammer was notable on December 26, 2004, when the 9.5 quake along the curve under Sumatra occurred, on December 19-22, 2007 when large black seismographs occurred at the same time each day, and on December 20-24, 2010 when hundreds of quakes above magnitude 4.7 occurred on the Bonin Arc off Japan."  (http://www.zetatalk5.com/ning/26no2011.htm)  This might indicate that the time of maximum tectonic movement could occur several days after the end of a magnetic trimester, but clue number two (above) contradicts that in the case of the pole shift, specifically.

The latest possible dates of the commencement of the "final weeks" of 49 days, counting back from the 17th of April, August, and December are:
1) February 27,
2) June 29, and
3) October 28.

Note that, by those dates, "the Planet X complex would be seen in the skies, undeniably" and the "wobble" of the axis of rotation of the Earth will have become severe.   The effects of the severe wobble are wild weather and a blending of the seasons (cold days in summer and hot days in winter).  Those effects are caused mainly by the surface of the Earth moving back and forth (north and south) under the atmosphere, which then produces apparent excessive swings of the jet stream in relation to that surface, plus further turbulence.
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The main reference, "Clues", interprets another statement by the Zetas to infer that the beginning of the 49-day period will occur at the time of a solar eclipse.  I do not agree.  The next section of my essay will address that situation.
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Re: Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2012, 04:58:14 PM »
I have inserted the following three paragraphs into the Introduction of the partial essay in Reply #3 -- Jim.

Further details, and a slight variation about the duration of the last weeks, is given in  "ZetaTalk: Last Weeks Countdown" at http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta582.htm.
Here is a brief extract:

[start extract]
What starts the process of the last weeks, with all their extreme gyrations, is a threshold being crossed. The dithering we have been describing - where Planet X, the Earth and the other planets caught in the cup (Dark Twin and Venus) are all bouncing around, reacting to movement in another, to crowding of magnetons or other particles - reaches an explosive point. During this time Planet X moves to the right as far as possible, to evade the ever increasing particle crowding, but is still outbound, steadily. Thus, visibility is enhanced, and Second Sun sightings are common. This is the start of the 7.3 week period we described, where it would be unmistakably visible to all on Earth. [my emphasis]

Then, 7.3 times 7 is 51 days, not 49.  Perhaps the start of the time of visibility starts two days before the 9 days of severe wobble begin.  That ambiguity is not important in this case, but it is an example of interpretations by the team of humans involved in Zetatalk material being inaccurate or even incorrect.
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Re: Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2012, 09:40:10 PM »
Here is section 2 of the essay on DATES FOR THE POLE SHIFT.  It refers to distances from Earth to Planet X, which is not what I originally intended to include.  So. further analysis  of dates will be in section 3.

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Section 2 - Distances

The following statement occurs in http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03y.htm :

"When one is looking toward Orion, at this time [when Planet X crosses the orbital plane of the Earth], from above the Earth's orbital plane, the perspective human astronomers prefer, the Sun will be to the right. The Earth, Sun, and [Planet X] will thus form a triangle in the Earth's orbital plane with a 23 degree angle at the Earth, an 18 degree angle at the Sun, and a 139 degree angle at [Planet X]. It is at this point, essentially, that [Planet X] is closest to the Earth, as with the angle of entry into the Earth's orbital plane being 32 degrees at this point, [Planet X] essentially dives up through the earth's orbital plane and quickly passes on. "

The distance from Earth to the Sun varies between 91.3 and 94.4 million miles, and the average is 93.0 million miles.  Using that average distance and the Sine Law of Trigonometry, the distance from Earth to Planet X at the time that PX crosses the orbital plane of the Earth can be calculated to be 43.8 million miles.  That, then, would be the closest that PX comes to Earth, except for the effects described in the following statement from http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/poleshft/miked008.htm :

" Like bodies on the dance floor, and as Velikovsky has pointed out in his record of ancient astronomical observations, planets can get disturbed from their orbit by the close passages of an object as large as another planet, though they then return to the orbit appropriate for their size and composition, within the solar system. Thus, where the this triangle represents an analysis to aid in determining the approach, it does not represent, completely, the position of the passing bodies during the actual passage. They draw near each other, during the approach, where the north end of the 12th Planet is pulling toward the south end of the Earth. At this time, as the 12th Planet is moving, it does the moving, the pulling toward. The shift itself is preceded by a jerking away of the Earth from the 12th Planet, the north end tipping up but also the Earth sliding sideways, a bit. Then, as the south pole pulls up and toward the passing 12th Planet's north pole, there is a pulling back, toward the 12th Planet. As friction in space is not a factor, these motions do not influence those on the surface of Earth. It is the shift that is the disruption, not the movement in space. In the end, the Earth is essentially in the same place, vis a vis the Sun, when the passage has completed, but during these attraction and repulsion movements, the passage has been closer than would be presumed from the approach of the 12th Planet."

Independent of the "jiggling" of the planets during close approach, the range of possible variations in the calculated distance of 43.8 million miles between Earth and Planet X can be determined by allowing the relevant angles to change by plus or minus 0.5 degrees (since the Zeta's values are written to the units position only) and by using the maximum and minimum distances of the Earth from the Sun.  These extreme values for the distance from Earth to Planet X at the time of PX's passage through the Earth's orbital plane are:
* 46.1 million miles maximum, and
* 41.4 million miles minimum.
The average of those two values is 43.75,  so we can use 43.8 as a good estimate, plus or minus 2.4.

Now, the Zetas have said many times that Planet X's closest approach to the Earth will be 14,000,000 miles.  But, from http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta271.htm :
" The 14 million miles referred to as the closest point during the Pole Shift includes those parts of the complex that would be considered devastating to the Earth, such as moon swirls and large debris. We have stated that the moons themselves will be at all times within 5 million miles of Planet X, but large trash in the tail also pulls toward Earth, but this will come no closer than 14 million miles."

However, from "The ZetaTalk Newsletter Issue 326, Sunday December 30, 2012"  at  http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue326.htm :
" We have stated that Planet X comes close, then retreats, then comes close again as the Last Weeks approach. ... Then during the last week, the week of rotation stoppage, the Earth is drawn 30 million miles closer to Planet X, so the Planet X complex appears huge in the skies. The two planets remain at a distance of 14 million miles, however, with the large moons in the Moon Swirls close to Planet X at all times, within 5 million miles. Nevertheless, debris and red dust land on the Earth during this time."

The Internet site http://www.mathopenref.com/subtend.html gives the angle subtended by the Sun, as seen from the Earth, as 0.52 degrees; and the angle subtended by the moon as 0.54 degrees.  Now, if Planet X's closest approach to the Earth will be 14,000,000 miles, and if PX's diameter is 4 times the diameter of the Earth (http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta217.htm), which is 7926 miles (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_diameter_of_the_Earth),  then, using tangent(angle) = 4x7926/14000000, I calculate the angle subtended by PX at that time to be 0.130 degrees.  Therefore, PX will appear to be one fourth of the size (diameter) of the moon at that time.  The ball of dust around it might make it appear to be much larger, however.
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Re: Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2013, 09:51:38 PM »
FROM "The ZetaTalk Newsletter Issue 327, Sunday January 6, 2013" (released early) at
http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue327.htm :

" The Planet X complex has not yet pierced the Ecliptic during its passage through the inner solar system. "

Notes
1)   The Ecliptic plane and the orbital plane of the earth are coincident (coplanar).
http://www.universetoday.com/35012/plane-of-the-ecliptic/

 2)  The Ecliptic intersects the equatorial plane of the Sun at 7.155 degrees. http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=345490

3)  "Only twice a year, on December 7 and June 7, does Earth cross the Sun's equatorial plane"  http://solar-center.stanford.edu/SID/Distribution/expanded_files/SpaceWeatherForecast-v.070507.doc
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Re: Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 07:39:33 PM »
I have not been able to get back to Section 3 of my report on possible dates for the pole shift, but it will probably only be a rebuttal of interpretations by certain members of http://poleshift.ning.com  (a zetatalk offshoot) of one of the Zeta's statements.  The dates of April, August, or December of some year still hold.

In the meantime, below is an update on progress toward pole shift from the Zeta's themselves.  I would say that it indicates that pole shift in April of 2013 is not likely.

From "ZetaTalk Chat Q&A for February 2, 2013"  at  http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/02fe2013.htm :

[start extract]
[Q:]  The Zeta have previously revealed to Humankind that the Council of Worlds had decided to allow mitigation, using means such as “humming boxes”, and likely other measures, undisclosed, of the severity of the Earth changes which would otherwise have been elicited in this planet, as symptoms of 7-of-10 plate movement, sans that benevolent ET intervention authorized by the CoW. Said mitigation allowed so that the Common Man is more able to make spiritual choices etc. ZT also relayed that the overall timeline, leading up to the Pole Shift, will not change. http://www.zetatalk.com/7of10/7of10108.htm  There have been periodic updates from the Z, keeping fans in the loop, though things really do seem to have picked up in recent times. Many feel a change is in the air. Is there any more the Zeta would care, or are permitted, to reveal to inquisitive and anxious fans, and others, regarding this? Perchance another update? Given the recent uptick in volcanism, plate-movement effects such as sinkholes and huge cracks etc, EQ’s, ocean buoy events reporting anomalous rising or dropping of the water-column etc etc, also Wobble effects such as wild swinging and apparent blending of weather conditions worldwide, including unprecedented hurricane and cyclone behavior, the list goes on. Not to mention increased visibility of the PX corpus itself, and company. Evidence also periodically surfacing of a looming Venus and DT, vital clues to the approaching 8. http://zetatalk.com/ning/01de2012.htm  Can we anticipate a sudden move to an 8 of 10, the 7 seemingly skipped, so to speak, i.e., are we close to an 8-of-10?

[A:]  We stated two years ago that the 7 of 10 and 8 of 10 would overlap [http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/18de2010.htm], due to the delays in arranging an announcement by Obama that Nibiru, aka Planet X was indeed in the vicinity and causing the current Earth changes, the earthquakes and volcanic uptick, the Earth wobble, and eventually the approaching passage. We stated that those aspects of the 7 of 10 that would result from rapid plate movements – specifically the European tsunami – would be mitigated to occur more slowly. The European tsunami is a factor of a rip in the North Atlantic Rift, and when occurring slowly would result in less water rebounding, and a smaller tsunami height as a consequence.  But beyond this, how has, and how will the mitigated 7 of 10 plate movements affected the other scenarios?

We stated that the 7 of 10 plate movements would complete before the 8 of 10 scenarios would flower fully, and that the 8 of 10 is a long and oppressive phase, not over quickly within months.  During the 8 of 10, mankind will be aware [http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/11ag2012.htm] of the pending passage, whether there is an announcement by NASA and Obama or not.  We have described an increased visibility of Planet X [www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue317.htm], aka Nibiru and its components during the 8 of 10. But has this not already arrived to some degree? One can scarcely go on YouTube without being flooded by videos of Nibiru, aka Planet X and its Moon Swirls. For the 8 of 10, as it progresses, Planet X will be positioned more to the right in the line of sight, so that sunlight will bounce off the dust cloud clinging to and thus shrouding Planet X, supporting dramatic Second Sun sightings on a daily basis, worldwide.

During the 8 of 10, the Earth wobble [http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/09jy2011.htm] will become so extreme, on a daily basis, that none can deny it. The wobble has already reached the point where it has pushed the weather into drought and deluge, severe storms and high winds, and temperature swings. The Global Warming excuse has failed to cover this, and the populace seeks an answer which only an admission on the near presence of Planet X can provide. But the wobble has not yet reached the point it will during the 8 of 10, when the Sun will be so out of place that none can deny it. Nor has a continuous blending of the seasons [http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/06no2010.htm] occurred as yet, though such blending is already occurring  briefly and sporadically on occasion.   

We stated that during the Last Weeks [http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta582.htm], Venus and the Dark Twin would escape the cup, allowing Planet X and the Earth to engage in their final wrestling moves. But what will occur prior to this point? Already Venus and the Dark Twin loom close on occasion [http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta572.htm], appearing as the monster persona with ballooning light rays and puzzling those who see this. These instances will increase, added to the certainly that Planet X, aka Nibiru, is indeed nearby. NASA will throw a frantic public onto Nancy and ourselves to explain the Repulsion Force when their explanations on planetary body motions fail. How do they know that Venus and the Dark Twin won’t crash into the Earth? Because the Zetas say so, will be their implicit answer. 

Where we are currently waiting for the 7 of 10 plate movements to complete, the stress on the plates is apparent. The sinking of the Sunda Plate and the folding of the Philippine and Mariana plates is approximately 70% complete, but the final moves will occur in conjunction with further progress on the S American roll. Though the cover-up has found it necessary to kill almost all the buoys on the Nazca and Cocos plates, the S American roll has barely begun, perhaps 13% of the overall changes expected. And the African roll is barely twitching, at present, perhaps 5% into the process. The chaos that has already been experienced is thus only a hint of what is to come. The N American continent is under tension so great that the Salt Dome caverns [http://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue309.htm] along the Gulf are fracturing, but the changes here likewise have not truly started. The US will be devastated [http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/19ju2010.htm], even with the New Madrid adjustment stretched out and moving slowly.

If these 7 of 10 plate movements are devastating, what will occur after these have completed, during the 8 of 10? We have at most hinted at what will occur, holding further descriptions hostage as we are looking for cooperation from the Puppet Master on media coverage for Nancy and our message, as we have stated so many times. We also feel the populace is not ready to contemplate our descriptions until they are aware of the big picture, and seriously listening to our words. Continuous plate movement [http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/29ma2010.htm] in some areas will occur, along with a changed relationship of the continents [http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/09ap2011.htm] to one another.  The predicted explosions in Iraq [http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/05ju2010.htm] as the oil fields are ruptured will also only occur during the 8 of 10 phase.

But the major 8 of 10 scenarios will be sociological, with riots and rebellion [http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g61.htm], on the increase as food shortages increase and people realize the impact the Pole Shift will have on their lives. Families will be ripped apart by argument as those in denial [http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/26ju2010.htm] refuse to budge and those determined to survive set their plans. Migration of desperate peoples affecting every country in some way will occur in the extreme, dominating the UN agenda and slamming borders shut. There is room on the planet to shelter all, though most may starve eventually due to food shortages. All this is the spiritual opportunity provided by the time of the passage, on Planet Earth.
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Re: Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2013, 03:08:46 PM »
Thanks for this update Jim, not sure how I missed it until now!  ;D

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Re: Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2013, 10:33:56 AM »
From "ZetaTalk Chat Q&A for June 22, 2013"  at  http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/22ju2013.htm (copied completely because important -- Jim) :

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[Q:]  This is a channeled work from a woman, whom the Zetas confirmed had the right notion about the humming boxes when they first appeared in Oregon. http://www.zetatalk.com/7of10/7of10108.htm She has taken great umbrage at the concept of a sudden Pole Shift, as the Zetas say within an hour, and gone so far as to state that anyone saying this is a “malevolent” force. Yet she was warned privately to get an RV and be prepared to leave the coast on a moment’s notice. There has been an alignment of agreement until now. Why the sudden difference of opinion and insults? I feel Nancy should address the ET intercession with Pole Shift itself by re-examining the issue. [Begin Channel, in part] Why would we wish for you to go thru this destruction and end life and civilizations where you have all then accumulated your greatest potential for advancement in your Sciences and Technologies, Understanding of the Cosmos and moving for Spiritual Growth and Unity. Would we not protect you from self-destruction or from an outside Cosmic threat or Nuclear Wars, when you are so valuable to us as a Human Species, as an accumulation of all your past Life's, as an accumulation of all your past Wars, as an accumulation of all your past Enlightenment and the age of darkness. We have always guided the Human Race from the beginning of time to the present moment, and would "not" allow this destruction that is being brought about and manifested by the collective minds guided by malevolent Luciferian Forces to "Destroy You" and to destroy this planet. But this (Planet-X/Nibiru) has been cleared.  It has been placed outside of its own "Orbit" further from your Earth. We say that it is a possibility of a "Pole Shift" but "Not" in this manner in which they wish the Human minds to manifest it to be. There is a possibility of this Mind Pole Shift, caused by an exchange of Nuclear Weapons throughout your world. If they are not prevented there would be a chain effect that would then unbalance the rotation of your Earth. But what is being spoken of is a "Sudden Pole Shift", the "Sudden" Pole Shift can only be thru the destruction and use of your weapons.

[A:]  There are some similarities in this channeled work by a valid Pleiadean channel and what ZetaTalk has stated. There are also points where we differ, and differ greatly. For instance, we have stated that nuclear weapons have long been disabled so they are no longer weapons, though if challenged by the need to retain the Element of Doubt would be allowed to explode. This has been in the body of ZetaTalk for years. This intercession is because the Council of Worlds has responded to the collective Call from many people. Since nuclear war is not possible, in this situation, our predictions differ from this Pleiadean channel.

It is likewise true that the rapid progression of the 7 of 10 plate movements was slowed to a crawl, because the Council of Worlds saw the potential for a break in the cover-up, and did not wish massive death from 7 of 10 plate movements when the populace had no opportunity to have a spiritual lesson, no opportunity to react. Slowing the plate movement required more than the humming boxes placed along fault lines. Planet X was positioned more to the side, to the right of the Earth, than it should be during the 7 of 10 process, as noted recently in our ZetaTalk chats. This is why there is a more severe wobble at this time, yet slower plate movement.

It has long been known that all in the Service-to-Other do not agree on how mankind should be influenced at this time. The Pleiadeans are notorious for downplaying the coming Pole Shift, preferring to deliver a message of denial so as not to elicit anxiety and fear. Our approach has been to tell the blunt truth, so mankind will not be shocked but can prepare to assist others in love throughout the cataclysms, being emotionally prepared.  Both we and they are Service-to-Others, but differ in our approach. Where the Pleiadeans prefer to emphasize rescue, we prefer to emphasize that mankind is to rise to the occasion, growing spiritually by helping others.

The Pleiadeans know that Obama and his allies around the world are prepared to inform mankind that Nibiru, aka Planet X, does indeed exist and is positioned for a passage past Earth. It is ZetaTalk, ourselves, and our message that will get the attention due to our 17 years of accurate predictions and worldwide fame. It is clear which Service-to-Other group will get to influence mankind, and the losers are resentful, calling our warnings “malevolent” as they feel a blunt message will increase fear and a lean toward Service-to-Self thoughts. In this channeled report, the Pleiadeans are promising rescue to all when this has not been granted by the Council of Worlds.

The Pole Shift has never been, and will not be a tea party as the Pleiadeans promise. For mankind, the future times are not going to be comfortable, but bad tidings to be dealt with. For mankind, the loving thing to do is prepare for the coming Earth changes and react to the distress of others, assisting them. In our view, it is not a proper act for the Pleiadeans to reassure mankind that no harm will come to them, when clearly man has always dealt with volcanoes, tornadoes, earthquakes, tsunami, and giant predators. For mankind, any intervention by benign alien forces will be as a reaction to their own Service-to-Other endeavors and thoughts. Rescue must be earned, not assumed.
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I will be progressing the interpretation of the two crop circles reported  in " Re: 2013 Crop Circles  « Reply #4 on: June 19"  at  http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=5078.msg71903#msg71903  -- Jim

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Re: Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2013, 09:03:12 PM »
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I will be progressing the interpretation of the two crop circles reported  in " Re: 2013 Crop Circles  « Reply #4 on: June 19"  at  http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=5078.msg71903#msg71903  -- Jim

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    EDIT:  The timing might work out better if each circle in the line is interpreted as a New Moon.  I can't check that now, and I'll be offline until noon EDT on June 22.  -- Jim


Got it!

19 circles from first to biggest in the first crop circle is equal to the number of new moons from the solar eclipse on May 20, 2012  to the solar eclipse on Nov. 3, 2013, inclusive.

6 circles from the first to the biggest in the second crop circle is equal to the number of new moons from Jun 8, 2013 -- which is the day before that crop circle was reported (not the date of the areal photo)  to the solar eclipse on Nov. 3, 2013, inclusive.

Note:  Solar eclipses always occur on days of new moon.

Dates of new and full moon from http://www.moongiant.com/Full_Moon_New_Moon_Calendar.php

Dates of eclipses from http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse.html

I will prepare a short report abut this interpretation and the related information from zetatalk.  Anyone want to collaborate?

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Re: Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2013, 09:16:21 AM »
Interested to see what date this might be...

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Re: Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2013, 02:53:54 PM »
say WHAT ? :)
     This quote is from the SpaceWeather.com page july 9th, 2013.
 
"SOUTHERN LIGHTS: On July 6-7, Earth passed through a region of interplanetary space with a south-pointing magnetic field. The encounter opened a crack in Earth's magnetosphere, allowing solar wind to flow inside. The resulting auroras were best seen in the wintry-dark skies of the southern hemisphere. "
 
     Sure wish they would have said how often they have observed this type of interplanetary magnetic field effect.
Was it caused by one of our near and dear Planetary Brothers that have been with us for Eons or by something else
like the Suns Binary partner. Or something else.
 
     On this same webpage about this time frame of late June and early July they had another news blurb that the
Earth was hit by a magnetic anomaly but they had no idea where it came from and they did not think it was from
a Solar Event. Interesting. Maybe this is a follow up of that mystery magnetic anomaly describing it as a temporary
interplanetary field reversal.http://www.spaceweather.com/
Ancient Prophecy appears to be fulfilled in the Nightly News.

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Re: Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2013, 10:57:29 AM »
Pretty interesting stuff, thanks!

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Re: Pole shift info & predictions (not prophesies)
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2013, 12:08:33 PM »
Just found this on the web.  It is from a few days ago but interesting never the less.

http://www.sott.net/article/263909-Massive-fireball-with-long-tail-blazes-over-New-Zealand

 

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