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Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2013, 05:20:51 PM »
Wow. Love stuff like this.
Here is a youtube video but it is not in English.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITfUuzTXa68

Excellent!  Thanks Seeker!

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Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2013, 07:00:25 AM »
Thanks seeker!

Here's a Sad One!  A cataclysm of a different sort...

AP photo/Jaime Awe
 
A backhoe claws away at the sloping sides of the Nohmul complex, one of Belize's largest Mayan pyramids on May 10, 2013 in northern Belize. A construction company has essentially destroyed one of Belize's largest Mayan pyramids with backhoes and bulldozers to extract crushed rock for a road-building project.
 
BELIZE CITY – A construction company has essentially destroyed one of Belize's largest Mayan pyramids with backhoes and bulldozers to extract crushed rock for a road-building project.

The head of the Belize Institute of Archaeology, Jaime Awe, said Monday that the destruction at the Nohmul complex in northern Belize was detected late last week. The ceremonial center dates back at least 2,300 years and is the most important site in northern Belize, near the border with Mexico.

"It's a feeling of incredible disbelief because of the ignorance and the insensitivity ... they were using this for road fill," Awe said. "It's like being punched in the stomach, it's just so horrendous."

Nohmul sat in the middle of a privately owned sugar cane field, and lacked the even stone sides frequently seen in reconstructed or better-preserved pyramids. But Awe said the builders could not possibly have mistaken the pyramid mound, which is about 100 feet tall, for a natural hill because the ruins were well-known and the landscape there is naturally flat.

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Demolition Gone Wrong

"These guys knew that this was an ancient structure. It's just bloody laziness," Awe said.

photos from the scene showed backhoes clawing away at the pyramid's sloping sides, leaving an isolated core of limestone cobbles at the center, with what appears to be a narrow Mayan chamber dangling above one clawed-out section.

"Just to realize that the ancient Maya acquired all this building material to erect these buildings, using nothing more than stone tools and quarried the stone, and carried this material on their heads, using tump lines," said Awe. "To think that today we have modern equipment, that you can go and excavate in a quarry anywhere, but that this company would completely disregard that and completely destroyed this building. Why can't these people just go and quarry somewhere that has no cultural significance? It's mind-boggling."

Belizean police said they are conducting an investigation and criminal charges are possible. The Nohmul complex sits on private land, but Belizean law says that any pre-Hispanic ruins are under government protection.

The Belize community-action group Citizens Organized for Liberty Through Action called the destruction of the archaeological site "an obscene example of disrespect for the environment and history."

It is not the first time it's happened in Belize, a country of about 350,000 people that is largely covered in jungle and dotted with hundreds of Mayan ruin sites, though few as large as Nohmul.

Norman Hammond, an emeritus professor of archaeology at Boston University who worked in Belizean research projects in the 1980s, wrote in an email that "bulldozing Maya mounds for road fill is an endemic problem in Belize (the whole of the San Estevan center has gone, both of the major pyramids at Louisville, other structures at Nohmul, many smaller sites), but this sounds like the biggest yet."

Arlen Chase, chairman of the Department of Anthropology at the University of Central Florida, said, "Archaeologists are disturbed when such things occur, but there is only a very limited infrastructure in Belize that can be applied to cultural heritage management."

"Unfortunately, they (destruction of sites) are all too common, but not usually in the center of a large Maya site," Chase wrote.

He said there had probably still been much to learn from the site. "A great deal of archaeology was undertaken at Nohmul in the `70s and `80s, but this only sampled a small part of this large center."
 
“It's a feeling of incredible disbelief because of the ignorance and the insensitivity.”
 Jaime Awe, head of the Belize Institute of Archaeology
 
Belize isn't the only place where the handiwork of the far-flung and enormously prolific Maya builders is being destroyed. The ancient Mayas spread across southeastern Mexico and through Guatemala, Honduras and Belize.

"I don't think I am exaggerating if I say that every day a Maya mound is being destroyed for construction in one of the countries where the Maya lived," wrote Francisco Estrada-Belli, a professor at Tulane University's Anthropology Department.

"Unfortunately, this destruction of our heritage is irreversible but many don't take it seriously," he added. "The only way to stop it is by showing that it is a major crime and people can and will go to jail for it."

Robert Rosenswig, an archaeologist at the State University of New York at Albany, described the difficult and heartbreaking work of trying to salvage information at the nearby site of San Estevan following similar destruction around 2005.

"Bulldozing damage at San Estevan is extensive and the site is littered with Classic period potsherds," he wrote in an academic paper describing the scene. "We spent a number of days at the beginning of the 2005 season trying to figure out the extent of the damage .... after scratching our heads for many days, a bulldozer showed up and we realized that what appear to be mounds, when overgrown with chest-high vegetation, are actually recently bulldozed garbage piles."

However small the compensation, bulldozing pyramids is one very brutal way of revealing the inner cores of the structures, which were often built up in periodic stages of construction.

"The one advantage of this massive destruction, to the core site, is that the remains of early domestic activity are now visible on the surface," Rosenswig wrote.

http://www.weather.com/news/mayan-pyramid-bulldozed-belize-20130514

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Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2013, 08:04:42 AM »
Here are a couple of images which go with Enlightenme's post about the lost underwater city, off the coast of Egypt.
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Lost Underwater City Uncovered (PHOTOS)

Camille Mann Published: May 4, 2013, 7:54 AM EDT weather.com
http://www.weather.com/news/science/lost-underwater-city-uncovered-20130430

A colossal statue of red granite representing the god Hapi, which decorated the temple of Heracleion. The god of the flooding of the Nile, symbol of abundance and fertility, has never before been discovered at such a large scale, which points to his importance for the Canopic region. (Copyright Frank Goddio/Hilti Foundation, photo: Christoph Gerigk)

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Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2013, 09:27:44 AM »
Enlightenme,
Thanks for posting the article. Wow that really is unbelievable someone would do this!
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Referring to your post,
BELIZE CITY – A construction company has essentially destroyed one of Belize's largest Mayan pyramids with backhoes and bulldozers to extract crushed rock for a road-building project.

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Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2014, 09:20:04 AM »
Video:

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Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2017, 02:55:17 PM »
Interesting Article!

Stone carvings at Gobekli Tepe in Turkey confirm how comet struck Earth in 10,950BC

https://www.sott.net/article/348820-Stone-carvings-at-Gobekli-Tepe-in-Turkey-confirm-how-comet-struck-Earth-in-10950BC

Ancient stone carvings confirm that a comet struck the Earth around 11,000BC, a devastating event which wiped out woolly mammoths and sparked the rise of civilisations.

Experts at the University of Edinburgh analysed mysterious symbols carved onto stone pillars at Gobekli Tepe in southern Turkey, to find out if they could be linked to constellations.

The markings suggest that a swarm of comet fragments hit Earth at the exact same time that a mini-ice age struck, changing the entire course of human history.

Scientists have speculated for decades that a comet could be behind the sudden fall in temperature during a period known as the Younger Dryas. But recently the theory appeared to have been debunked by new dating of meteor craters in North America where the comet is thought to have struck.

However, when engineers studied animal carvings made on a pillar - known as the vulture stone - at Gobekli Tepe they discovered that the creatures were actually astronomical symbols which represented constellations and the comet.

The idea had been originally put forward by author Graham Hancock in his book Magicians of the Gods.

Using a computer programme to show where the constellations would have appeared above Turkey thousands of years ago, they were able to pinpoint the comet strike to 10,950BC, the exact time the Younger Dryas begins according to ice core data from Greenland.

The Younger Dryas is viewed as a crucial period for humanity, as it roughly coincides with the emergence of agriculture and the first Neolithic civilisations.

Before the strike, vast areas of wild wheat and barley had allowed nomadic hunters in the Middle East to establish permanent base camps. But the difficult climate conditions following the impact forced communities to come together and work out new ways of maintaining the crops, through watering and selective breeding. Thus farming began, allowing the rise of the first towns.

Edinburgh researchers said the carvings appear to have remained important to the people of Gobekli Tepe for millennia, suggesting that the event and cold climate that followed likely had a very serious impact.


"Our work serves to reinforce that physical evidence. What is happening here is the process of paradigm change.

"It appears Göbekli Tepe was, among other things, an observatory for monitoring the night sky.

"One of its pillars seems to have served as a memorial to this devastating event - probably the worst day in history since the end of the ice age."

Gobekli Tepe, is thought to be the world's oldest temple site, which dates from around 9,000BC, predating Stonehenge by around 6,000 years.


"Our work serves to reinforce that physical evidence. What is happening here is the process of paradigm change.

Researchers believe the images were intended as a record of the cataclysmic event, and that a further carving showing a headless man may indicate human disaster and extensive loss of life.

If you consider that, according to astronomers, this giant comet probably arrived in the inner solar system some 20 to 30 thousand years ago, and it would have been a very visible and dominant feature of the night sky, it is hard to see how ancient people could have ignored this given the likely consequences." (or the Planet-X system maybe??)

Max.
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Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2017, 05:55:17 PM »
https://www.sott.net/article/348820-Stone-carvings-at-Gobekli-Tepe-in-Turkey-confirm-how-comet-struck-Earth-in-10950BC
Ancient stone carvings confirm that a comet struck the Earth around 11,000BC, a devastating event which wiped out woolly mammoths and sparked the rise of civilisations.

Ocmulgee site going back at least 17,000 years.
https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/11-04-2016-ocmulgee-getaway.htm
2,000 artifacts on display, including a Clovis Point spear head dating to 10,000 BCE

Again and again, throughout the years and all of science and literature, this number keeps popping up: 13,000 years.
Magnetic pole reversals, galactic superwaves, ice ages, even 'Planet X'; you name it, this number pops up. Hell, the galactic cycle itself is 2 x 13,000 [half positively, half negatively poled].

page 100 of Paul LaViolette's Earth Under Fire
Reference to an ancient celestial catastrophe can also be found in American Indian legends. The Vilela Indians of Argentina have a myth that tells of how an offended spirit caused the Earth to be enveloped in an absolute darkness that lasted for an entire year. The people starved to the point of eating their dogs. Finally the spirit summoned a strong wind, which blew away not only the darkness but the thatched houses as well. Afterward, the people were so weak that they crawled on all fours.
Ancient survivor stories, as well, appear to head back to around such dates. And one might well ask why; why doesn't mankind have accounts that go back [far!] beyond around 11,000 BC? Whatever the answer is, all manner of scientific disciplines hit this magic number. And it all points to the looming of the end of said cycle soon, if not imminently.
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Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2017, 12:28:26 AM »
There is an ancient fragment of a stone tablet which may go back that far... refer back to that age.
I will find where I posted it and refer to it. 
It is called, Cory's Ancient Fragments.  https://archive.org/details/corysancientfrag00coryuoft

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Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2017, 12:29:48 AM »
Great material, MadMax and also Socrates...

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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2017, 12:41:15 AM »

Again and again, throughout the years and all of science and literature, this number keeps popping up: 13,000 years.
Magnetic pole reversals, galactic superwaves, ice ages, even 'Planet X'; you name it, this number pops up. Hell, the galactic cycle itself is 2 x 13,000 [half positively, half negatively poled].

page 100 of Paul LaViolette's Earth Under Fire
Reference to an ancient celestial catastrophe can also be found in American Indian legends. The Vilela Indians of Argentina have a myth that tells of how an offended spirit caused the Earth to be enveloped in an absolute darkness that lasted for an entire year. The people starved to the point of eating their dogs. Finally the spirit summoned a strong wind, which blew away not only the darkness but the thatched houses as well. Afterward, the people were so weak that they crawled on all fours.
Ancient survivor stories, as well, appear to head back to around such dates. And one might well ask why; why doesn't mankind have accounts that go back [far!] beyond around 11,000 BC? Whatever the answer is, all manner of scientific disciplines hit this magic number. And it all points to the looming of the end of said cycle soon, if not imminently.

PS: Socrates, about Cory's Fragments.
I had gone into it in more depth but we lost our original topic I had posted years ago.
Here is the link to what we do have: 


Topic: We used to have a Topic, Noah's and Other's Ancient Arks
 
http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=5007.msg70296#msg70296
Excerpt of my old post:
Noah's and Other's Ancient Arks.
I think this got wiped out in some computer problem. It was a great Topic.
Will try to reconstruct it.
I had posted lots of info from a site called Sacred Texts.
There is evidence in ancient Chaldean tablets of a Great Flood in a time period earlier than the flood mentioned in the ancient Torah...Old Testament.
"Cory's Fragments" refer back to an even more ancient time
. - Barb T.


sources...
http://www.sacred-texts.com/

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/chad/index.htm 

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Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2017, 10:13:34 AM »
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Again and again, throughout the years and all of science and literature, this number keeps popping up: 13,000 years.
... Hell, the galactic cycle itself is 2 x 13,000 [half positively, half negatively poled].

Possibly due to the Doppler Effect as the Solar System reverses direction relative to a moving "wind" of some sort in the environment in the 26,000-year period of orbit around the common center of gravity of the Sun and the Sun's binary twin.

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Re: 13,000-year cycle of global destruction
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2017, 10:40:36 AM »
My name is "Socrates" because i always admired how the ancient Socrates worked from the simple premise that he knew 'nothing'. One might say: we know what we know (and it's smart to acknowledge and accept that that's just about all you know, so don't act like you know more than you actually do); and speculation, imagination and assumptions are not knowing...

Based on all kinds of research in all kinds of scientific fields, there's this 13,000-year cycle. Now, perhaps we'll never know what is the ultimate cause of this returning destruction, but in the end it's a moot point; just knowing massive destruction is on it's way puts you way ahead of 7,000,000,000 souls not preparing for any such event.
Common sense will help you out, i figure. I mean, again, whatever's coming was enough to clear the Earth of mankind's presence 13,000 years ago and all you have to do is contemplate if your preparations would've helped make you through that event.
Like: Did they have bunkers 13,000 years ago? Well, why the hell not?!
So now you know that a bunker ain't gonna cut it.
And so you keep on digging until you figure you've covered all the bases, i.e. possible megagales, megaquakes, galactic superwave effects, ice age, etc. etc. etc.
It's a process; you don't get there overnight, but i believe we can all get there if we stick with it.
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Re: 13,000-year cycle of global destruction
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2017, 11:03:41 PM »
My name is "Socrates" because i always admired how the ancient Socrates worked from the simple premise that he knew 'nothing'. One might say: we know what we know (and it's smart to acknowledge and accept that that's just about all you know, so don't act like you know more than you actually do); and speculation, imagination and assumptions are not knowing...

Based on all kinds of research in all kinds of scientific fields, there's this 13,000-year cycle. Now, perhaps we'll never know what is the ultimate cause of this returning destruction, but in the end it's a moot point; just knowing massive destruction is on it's way puts you way ahead of 7,000,000,000 souls not preparing for any such event.
Common sense will help you out, i figure. I mean, again, whatever's coming was enough to clear the Earth of mankind's presence 13,000 years ago and all you have to do is contemplate if your preparations would've helped make you through that event.
Like: Did they have bunkers 13,000 years ago? Well, why the hell not?!
So now you know that a bunker ain't gonna cut it.
And so you keep on digging until you figure you've covered all the bases, i.e. possible megagales, megaquakes, galactic superwave effects, ice age, etc. etc. etc.
It's a process; you don't get there overnight, but i believe we can all get there if we stick with it.

Socrates, we know they did have ancient underground networks of caves such as Cappadocia
Who knows who might have survived earlier passages of PX there, in pre-Christian times...


Cappadocia in which early Christians built wonderful arches, which apparently still stand. (Documentary I saw.) . A City was built on top.



The caves are described as 5,000 years old but I feel people were there taking shelter for many of thousands of years before that.... 





http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/massive-5000-year-old-underground-city-uncovered-cappadocia-turkey-002507

I had better images, will have to find...
Then there is a theory some of the pyramids were build as shelters. Will find that info. An empty pyramid, with smooth polished floors and what looked like ventilation shafts.

Humankind survived...
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Re: Cappadocia & pyramids
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2017, 03:37:51 AM »
Who knows who might have survived earlier passages of PX [in Cappadocia], in pre-Christian times...

Then there is a theory some of the pyramids were build as shelters.
Humankind survived...
According to David Wilcock there are 3300 structures like the pyramids all over the world. Obviously [sic], mankind survived. However, we were all in a 'stone age' 10,000 years ago; this we know. Hey, maybe they built the darn things and then only idiots made it inside in time... God knows the handful of folks @ Planet X Town Hall is a pitiful number in relation to the 7 billion on Earth today.

I've read about Cappadocia and though it might go even thousands of years beyond 5 thousand, it's quite a stretch to think 12 rather than 5...
Fact is that research and history show that the Earth is regularly buffeted by cosmic effects, only they're usually not on the scale of stone age events.
I don't know about the geology @ Cappadocia and have no way of knowing if the caves [and their entrances/exits!] will hold up against megaquakes.
But simple common sense has me wondering: if a whole city of folks managed to survive 13,000 years ago, then why did they get thrown back into our Stone Age?
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Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2017, 04:17:49 AM »
Why is it that some refer to the cycle as being 13,000 years, while others say it's 3600?

 

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