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Title: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on August 15, 2011, 02:00:18 PM
I currently own a mossberg 500 12g shotgun. I'm thinking I'll need something for long range. My dilemma is I'm spending most of my money to stock up on food and other small things, so I need to get something affordable. Should I go with a rifle, or handgun. I know rifles can be cheap compared to handguns. Would a 22 rifle even be worth buying? I saw one at Walmart the other day for 129.00!

Or, should I buy what ever has the cheapest ammo?

Any suggestions?

Thanks...
Title: Re: What Guns should I have when the SHTF?
Post by: bk on August 15, 2011, 05:23:37 PM
A 22LR rifle ammo runs around $20 for 500 to 550 shells
Title: Re: What Guns should I have when the SHTF?
Post by: JKB on August 15, 2011, 08:12:05 PM
To point out the obvious, more is better...  That being said...  I think a shotgun is imperative, which you have.  I think a handgun is also necessary and the caliber depends on your preference.  I prefer a bigger caliber.  A high powered rifle would also come in handy but the one problem I don't want to have is to carry a whole bunch of ammo for multiple guns.  So, a shotgun and a pistol are top priorities in my mind.  I think that a bow is also essential so you can hunt in silence without giving your position away.  If you are not already proficient with a compound bow, which I am not, then I would recommend a crossbow.  I think I would choose a crossbow over a high powered rifle if I could only pick one.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: What Guns should I have when the SHTF?
Post by: JKB on August 15, 2011, 08:37:17 PM
I'm sorry, I got to thinking about it and I didn't actually answer your question...  You can kill anything with a .22 but you better be one hell of a marksman.  A .22 has almost zero knock-down power.  Like I said, I prefer larger calibers.  If you are on a tight budget I would recommend a .30-30, either the Winchester or the Marlin.  The Marlin is better if you want to put a scope on it but the Winchester "won the west" and is a damn fine rifle if you can shoot through open sights.  If you want to go bigger...  a 300 Winchester magnum, .30-06, and 7mm are all good calibers.  Guns are one thing where "you get what you pay for" truly applies... Hope this helps... Peace.
Title: Re: What Guns should I have when the SHTF?
Post by: Willsorr75 on August 16, 2011, 06:28:09 AM
Thanks for the input JKB. You've got me thinking now. It would make more since to carry a handgun and shotgun together. I will also check into the 30-30 you mentioned. I doubt I will go with a 22 rifle now.
Title: Re: What Guns should I have when the SHTF?
Post by: Yowbarb on August 16, 2011, 07:00:04 AM
To point out the obvious, more is better...  That being said...  I think a shotgun is imperative, which you have.  I think a handgun is also necessary and the caliber depends on your preference.  I prefer a bigger caliber.  A high powered rifle would also come in handy but the one problem I don't want to have is to carry a whole bunch of ammo for multiple guns.  So, a shotgun and a pistol are top priorities in my mind.  I think that a bow is also essential so you can hunt in silence without giving your position away.  If you are not already proficient with a compound bow, which I am not, then I would recommend a crossbow.  I think I would choose a crossbow over a high powered rifle if I could only pick one.  Hope this helps.


A silencer for the pistol may be necessary too?
Title: Re: What Guns should I have when the SHTF?
Post by: Yowbarb on August 16, 2011, 07:05:32 AM
I currently own a mossberg 500 12g shotgun. I'm thinking I'll need something for long range. My dilemma is I'm spending most of my money to stock up on food and other small things, so I need to get something affordable. Should I go with a rifle, or handgun. I know rifles can be cheap compared to handguns. Would a 22 rifle even be worth buying? I saw one at Walmart the other day for 129.00!

Or, should I buy what ever has the cheapest ammo?

Any suggestions?

Thanks...


Hello and welcome, Willsorr75.  ;)
Some of the guys here know quite a lot on the subject.
I am not an expert although I went out shooting with some guy friends when I was 16. The recoil from the 757 knocked me back, but I still hit my target.
For the record I am FOR freedom in gun use, along with proper registration and some background check but not made a big deal of.
I am for concealed carry and carry in glove box. Too many good people have been killed for want of some protection. That is my main deal, that good people can protect themselves.
I have heard on this forum that ammo is running short so get plenty,
Good Luck,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: What Guns should I have when the SHTF?
Post by: Willsorr75 on August 16, 2011, 07:06:02 AM
A silencer for the pistol may be necessary too?

Yeah, I can see how that would be useful. The last thing you would want is to give you location away.
Title: Re: What Guns should I have when the SHTF?
Post by: errrv on August 16, 2011, 03:54:35 PM
Howdy, we covered all of this here:

http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=2111.msg38697#msg38697

Also, a few criteria for weapons:
1. Low maintenance (ak47/74/akm, sks, enfield)
2. Easy to get ammo (7.62x39mm, .223, .308, .243, 12 ga., .40, 9mm).
3. Iron sights mandatory (fancy red dot/scopes/eotec always break or run outta batteries).
4. Easy to reload
5. Accurate

You can find all these attributes in a fairly inexpensive weapon that is lightweight & easy to handle. If you are proficient at shooting, a .22 LR is ok.
Bigger bullets kill better ( great grammar)!
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on August 20, 2011, 11:52:41 AM
Well, next week I plan to purchase a HiPoint 9mm pistol. Found it online for around $150.00. I've heard mixed reviews, but I guess for what I'll be using it for it should be fine... After the purchase I will own a 12g shot gun and a 9mm pistol. Does anyone think there will be a need for a rifle or should I be ok? Also any comments on the HiPoint?
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Yowbarb on August 20, 2011, 01:33:00 PM
Well, next week I plan to purchase a HiPoint 9mm pistol. Found it online for around $150.00. I've heard mixed reviews, but I guess for what I'll be using it for it should be fine... After the purchase I will own a 12g shot gun and a 9mm pistol. Does anyone think there will be a need for a rifle or should I be ok? Also any comments on the HiPoint?

Will I can't comment on a particular type of rifle but taking a quick look, repeating rifles have a high degree of accuracy and speed and ease of reloading...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle#Rate_of_fire   Rifle rate of fire...

All The Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on August 20, 2011, 01:50:51 PM
Will I can't comment on a particular type of rifle but taking a quick look, repeating rifles have a high degree of accuracy and speed and ease of reloading...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle#Rate_of_fire   Rifle rate of fire...

All The Best,
Yowbarb

Thanks Yowbarb,,is a repeating rifle the same as semi auto?
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Yowbarb on August 20, 2011, 10:41:39 PM
Will I can't comment on a particular type of rifle but taking a quick look, repeating rifles have a high degree of accuracy and speed and ease of reloading...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle#Rate_of_fire   Rifle rate of fire...

All The Best,
Yowbarb

Thanks Yowbarb,,is a repeating rifle the same as semi auto?

One of the guys would know more on it...
Meanwhile here is something interesting:

U.S. Survival Rifle 22LR Semi-Auto AR-7 Henry Repeating Arms 7:52

LINK: http://youtu.be/qmpy_PLZGic

Uploaded by sootch00 on Feb 19, 2010
Fun Gun Reviews Presents : The U.S. Survival Rifle. This super lightweight 22LR semi-automatic rifle breaks
down into four pieces that can be store away into the waterproof stock. Made by Henry Repeating Arms, this
handy little rifle is perfect for hikers, campers, fisherman, bush pilots, or anyone who spents time in the great outdoors!

Henry Repeating Arms Website:
http://www.henryrepeating.com/h002_survival.cfm
Uploaded by sootch00 on Feb 19, 2010
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on August 21, 2011, 06:26:56 AM
One of the guys would know more on it...
Meanwhile here is something interesting:[/color]

U.S. Survival Rifle 22LR Semi-Auto AR-7 Henry Repeating Arms 7:52

LINK: http://youtu.be/qmpy_PLZGic

Uploaded by sootch00 on Feb 19, 2010
Fun Gun Reviews Presents : The U.S. Survival Rifle. This super lightweight 22LR semi-automatic rifle breaks
down into four pieces that can be store away into the waterproof stock. Made by Henry Repeating Arms, this
handy little rifle is perfect for hikers, campers, fisherman, bush pilots, or anyone who spents time in the great outdoors!

Henry Repeating Arms Website:
http://www.henryrepeating.com/h002_survival.cfm
Uploaded by sootch00 on Feb 19, 2010

This is really cool! It would make it a whole lot easier to carry... I'll have to check into this. Thx
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Yowbarb on August 21, 2011, 07:14:39 AM
Will, true it should be pretty easily and lightweight to carry and put together...
There would probably be something already assembled for whoever is:

(http://www.phrases.org.uk/images/stagecoach.jpg)

http://www.phrases.org.uk/images/stagecoach.jpg
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on August 21, 2011, 10:03:13 AM
Hey guys, also check out the m6 scout. Originally made by Springfield armory. It is a single shot .22/.410 over & under. Breaks down in half and comes in a quiver sized vase with shoulder strap.

http://www.gunshopfinder.com/springfield/M69101.asp

Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on August 24, 2011, 11:21:46 AM
My weapons & why I chose them:

1. GP1974 (aka AK47). Easily the most durable weapon on the planet; will fire when full of mud and still take a mountain lions head off at 100yds. Mako recoil reducing 6 position stock, tritium sites, single point sling. Cons: not real accurate past 300yds (I can't see that far anyways), very loud to shoot, considerable recoil. 5, 10, 20, 30, 40, 75, 100 rd magazines available. I keep 1400 rds on hand.

2. Ruger 10/22, .22 LR semi auto rifle. Great shooting little rifle. Hogue overmolded stock, .910 bbl, 25 rd ruger magazines, 4x32 scope. Very accurate. No recoil; very quiet. I can shoot the eye out of a bat at 75 yards. Cons: small caliber, must be able to hit to be effective. I keep 2000 rds on hand as the ammo is very inexpensive.

3. Charles Daly .12 ga pump with 18.5" barrel. 5+1. CQB sling. At $160.00 this is one of the best firearms I have ever owned! Very minimal moving parts. Great for hunting & self defense inside of 50 yards. Cons: not for long range shooting. I keep 200 rds mixed ammo, buck, fowl, & birdshot.

4. Glock 22 .40 pistol. Used by law enforcement everywhere. Ammo easy to aquire. Very accurate shooting little pistol. I can hit a good center mass body shot at 100 yds with this gun. 17 rd magazines, tritium sites. Cons: none that I can think of. I keep 1000 rss of mixed HP and FMJ.

5. Ruger P85 9mm pistol. This is my old backup. Bought this pistol in 1987 and have carried it my whole adult life. Very accurate & heavy duty. A real survival pistol. 20 rd magazines. Niteglow sites. Cons: 9mm is a hot round & tends to shoot through vs mushroom. I keep 1000 rds HP & FMJ for this weapon.

Note: they make 33 rd magazines for the last 2 in case you can't shoot well! :) in which case I'd say look to #3. less expensive ammo.

Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on August 24, 2011, 01:27:43 PM
Yes, spreadloaded over 2 adults & 3 kids. Versatile. The only downfall is that they all take different ammo types! Guess you can't have everything.

By the way, all of these fire arms are inexpensive. The glock cost the most denero, but I traded a guitar for it!
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on August 24, 2011, 04:38:57 PM
Craigslist!!!!

Too funny, can't believe I didn't think of that.. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on September 01, 2011, 06:16:13 PM
Can you trade things for guns on Craigslist or Ebay?  Is that legal?  I have alot of sh*t I won't be needing like a six foot tall cigar humidor, for example...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 02, 2011, 06:33:42 AM
Craigslist... Don't do it on eBay, they will ban you.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Montanabarb on September 02, 2011, 07:05:38 AM
Craigslist... Don't do it on eBay, they will ban you.

Montana Craig's List specifically bans sales of firearms.  Would a trade be different? Or maybe the admin spends more time looking the other way?  The only firearm listed this week was a "wanted" ad for a Glock.   
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Yowbarb on September 02, 2011, 10:10:06 AM
Craigslist... Don't do it on eBay, they will ban you.

Erv thanks for this info - I did not know this.
- Yowbarb
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 02, 2011, 12:17:06 PM
Craigslist... Don't do it on eBay, they will ban you.

Montana Craig's List specifically bans sales of firearms.  Would a trade be different? Or maybe the admin spends more time looking the other way?  The only firearm listed this week was a "wanted" ad for a Glock.

I traded for 3 of my fire arms this way.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 02, 2011, 12:19:59 PM
Perhaps it varies by state, so be sure to check the laws for your state prior to doing this.
Craigslist... Don't do it on eBay, they will ban you.

Montana Craig's List specifically bans sales of firearms.  Would a trade be different? Or maybe the admin spends more time looking the other way?  The only firearm listed this week was a "wanted" ad for a Glock.

I traded for 3 of my fire arms this way.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 03, 2011, 08:00:18 AM
Ok, I finally have a new addition to my gun collection. Originally, I posted all I had was a 12g shotgun.
1.Mossberg 500 12g shootgun

New to my collection
2.Mossberg Tactical 22  w/25 round magazine (http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=43 (http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=43))

In the process of buying one of two from a friend
3.Hi-Point 9mm Pistol
4.Beretta 32 ACP


Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 03, 2011, 08:06:36 AM
Go for the 9mm. The .32 is not even as effective as a .22 LR and the ammo is going to be hard to find.
:)
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 03, 2011, 08:11:15 AM
Go for the 9mm. The .32 is not even as effective as a .22 LR and the ammo is going to be hard to find.
:)
Erv

Thanks Erv.. Easier to find ammo is key... I must admit even though it's not a lethal weapon, the cost of 22 ammo has made me really excited about my new purchase. I bought 1000 rounds for $35.00. If anything maybe the looks of the Mossberg Tactical will make people think twice!
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 03, 2011, 11:12:25 AM
Erv, What should I be looking for in Ammo for my 22lr. I've noticed some boxes say Rim/Center Fire. Also someone people say some ammo is fires cleaner. Since it's so cheap, should I go with a more expensive box and maybe get half the amount for a better ammo?
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 03, 2011, 11:13:52 AM
Meant to add, the guy at the sports store talked me into getting what they had on sale which was Winchester Gold bulk box, $16.99 for 525 rimfire.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 03, 2011, 01:44:03 PM
Hey Will, dirty ammo just means you have to keep your weapon clean. Gunpowder is sulfur based, therefore corrosive in nature... Will pit out the steel on your weapon.

As far as stopping power, always aim for the inside part of the eye (orbit bone just outside the nose). This gives a clear path through to the brain. If you are shooting from behind, put it just under the rear base of the skull- medulla oblongata. If from the side, either the ear opening, or just behind the ear 3/4 of the distance from the top. These spots all equal "instant rag doll". This is what you want because all neurological activity stops when this happens. If you make the shot with a .22 there is very little blood to mess with as well.
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 04, 2011, 05:22:38 AM
Thx erv for the self defense weapon information. I guess I'll stock up on items for cleaning.

Morgana2012, the second website was down. I'll try it again later.

Billy861, they already know what guns I own from my background checks. I have a clean record, so I'm hoping they know I'm using for hobby and self defense only. I do agree "loose lips sink ships".
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 10, 2011, 07:31:00 AM
Thanks Barb!
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: augonit on September 10, 2011, 08:40:07 AM
I'd like to know where to get some good old fashioned revolvers.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Montanabarb on September 10, 2011, 09:50:46 AM
I'd like to know where to get some good old fashioned revolvers.

Gun/ antique shows; pawn shops.  IMHO:  #1, Sturm Ruger;  #2 Smith and Wesson. If you decide to buy, try to test fire first. Without modifications, hand guns can kick like a mule.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: augonit on September 10, 2011, 02:17:45 PM
What are the price ranges for a pair of Smith and Wesson's?
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 10, 2011, 04:16:54 PM
$300-$500 per gun, depending on condition. Saw a ruger .44 navy revolver today...$450 used.
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Ed Douglas on September 10, 2011, 07:59:19 PM
Augie, there is Fin, Feather, and Fur in Ashland. Gander Mountain has some, and sometimes used ones. There are usually gun shows at county fairgrounds, occasionally. This is how it is up here by the lake.   ed
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: bk on September 10, 2011, 08:33:50 PM
Picked up a .40 cal Hi-Point down here for $189
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 10, 2011, 09:39:27 PM
Picked up a .40 cal Hi-Point down here for $189

Less than $200 for a 40 cal.  Nice!
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Yowbarb on September 11, 2011, 04:59:11 AM
Picked up a .40 cal Hi-Point down here for $189

Less than $200 for a 40 cal.  Nice!

Willsorr, good info, thanks!
 :)
Yowbarb
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 11, 2011, 06:54:19 AM
Picked up a .40 cal Hi-Point down here for $189

That's a great deal!
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Montanabarb on September 11, 2011, 12:12:11 PM
What are the price ranges for a pair of Smith and Wesson's?

http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/specSheets/5718.html (http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/specSheets/5718.html)

$629 MSRP New, sold through a dealer. 

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764966_-1_757769_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764966_-1_757769_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y)

I hope this link works. It shows an error message.  You can see that S&W are more expensive.  $829 MSRP for this, new.  It's also half a pound heavier than the Ruger.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 11, 2011, 05:21:15 PM
Hi Point has great guns for a great price. Trying to decide if I should get the 380 ACP, 9mm, 40 S&W, or 45 ACP. All are under $200 new.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 11, 2011, 05:24:28 PM
I'd have to say the .40 would be your best bet ammo wise. See previous posts.
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Ed Douglas on September 12, 2011, 12:03:39 PM
I also think the availability of 9mm will be pretty good. Both are very good.  ed
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Ed Douglas on September 12, 2011, 12:06:20 PM
I might mention that High Point also makes tactical rifles for under $200. Many security companies are using them, due to reliability vs price. There are a bunch of accessories you can put on them too.   ed
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 12, 2011, 12:29:20 PM
I might mention that High Point also makes tactical rifles for under $200. Many security companies are using them, due to reliability vs price. There are a bunch of accessories you can put on them too.   ed

I almost bought the 9mm version two weeks ago, but I ended up going with a Mossberg Tactical .22 due to the cost of the ammo. If I buy another tactical weapon I'll go with the .40... I think wife is starting to get nervous over my weapon purchases recently. We've been married 13 years, and July I bought my first gun, Mossberg 12g.. Now I have the Tactical Rifle, and I've borrowed two hand guns from a friend to test them out. She must think I'm going through a mid life crisis!!
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 12, 2011, 01:09:53 PM
9mm is not a bad round, especially if you are using JHP or hollow point. The problem with 9mm FMJ is that it tends to pass clean through. High velocity + small pointy round tends to do that. You need something that will mushroom or flatten out a bit. Ammo is really cheap too. Cheaperthandirt.com.
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 12, 2011, 01:12:44 PM
So, the bigger the caliber the better the mushroom?
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 12, 2011, 01:33:51 PM
Sort of. A larger caliber with high velocity will not only make a giant hole but will tear up a lot. A small caliber with low velocity will not penetrate too far (.22 short, .25 jetfire, .32) it will pretty much get stuck in muscle tissue. A high velocity small caliber (.22 LR, .22 magnum, .22-250, .222 swift, .223) will pass clean through; small dia lots of pressure. A generally good all purpose round is in the .30 caliber range. That is why all your military rounds up to 1970 or so (birth of armalite ar15)were .30 caliber. Larger rounds like .44, .45, .40 work well too. Not only is there enough velocity to cause it to pass through muscle tissue into the more sensitive organs, the bullets are bigger causing them to make big holes & tear up tissue. This causes internal bleeding, which is what you really want. That or to totally remove the brain through a small hole in the skull. This is always an effective "stopping" tool.
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on September 12, 2011, 06:18:02 PM
I shot my crossbow for the first time this weekend.  That thing is sooo sweet!  I'm hooked.  Love it!
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 12, 2011, 07:49:34 PM
Crossbow would be sweet. Are they harder to shoot than a gun?
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Ed Douglas on September 12, 2011, 09:00:44 PM
All of my ammo, except shotgun, are hollow point. I have double ought buckshot, and some 6 shot rounds to hunt for game to eat.  I guess I can put someone down, if needed. Wife has a PK380 pistol by Walther, same as a 9mm short. Hollow point also. I also am very proficient with the Samurai sword and other martial arts weapons. I'm just too old to do much of it.haha   ed
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on September 12, 2011, 09:01:17 PM
Not at all.  That is the whole reason I went with one.  I've never messed with archery much but I understand that using a compound bow is rather complex and takes a lot of practice.  If you know how to shoot a gun you can shoot a crossbow.  Not much kick to it.  You just hear, "thump," and your arrow is there baby! I bought a Tenpoint Titan but went with the lesser expensive one.  The only difference between the $600 one and the $1000 one is the accu-draw mechanism that makes it easier to cock.  I personally don't think mine is hard to cock (185 lb draw) so that would be a waste of $$$.  Have a good evening.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 13, 2011, 06:12:33 AM
Who needs a silencer when you have a bow!

Ed, I also have (2) razor sharp katanas. They scare me just a tad when I practice with them; I'm worried I'll swing low & hack my leg off! I'm not as proficient as I want to be. :) erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 13, 2011, 06:24:26 AM
Not at all.  That is the whole reason I went with one.  I've never messed with archery much but I understand that using a compound bow is rather complex and takes a lot of practice.  If you know how to shoot a gun you can shoot a crossbow.  Not much kick to it.  You just hear, "thump," and your arrow is there baby! I bought a Tenpoint Titan but went with the lesser expensive one.  The only difference between the $600 one and the $1000 one is the accu-draw mechanism that makes it easier to cock.  I personally don't think mine is hard to cock (185 lb draw) so that would be a waste of $$$.  Have a good evening.

Hmm, maybe I should consider getting one instead of a hand gun. 12g shotgun, tactical 22, and a crossbow sounds pretty good.. I'm sure between the three I would be covered.... How much do arrows cost, or are they called bolts? I guess once you buy a few you don't really need anymore. Do they last long?
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on September 13, 2011, 06:34:48 PM
Not at all.  That is the whole reason I went with one.  I've never messed with archery much but I understand that using a compound bow is rather complex and takes a lot of practice.  If you know how to shoot a gun you can shoot a crossbow.  Not much kick to it.  You just hear, "thump," and your arrow is there baby! I bought a Tenpoint Titan but went with the lesser expensive one.  The only difference between the $600 one and the $1000 one is the accu-draw mechanism that makes it easier to cock.  I personally don't think mine is hard to cock (185 lb draw) so that would be a waste of $$$.  Have a good evening.


Hmm, maybe I should consider getting one instead of a hand gun. 12g shotgun, tactical 22, and a crossbow sounds pretty good.. I'm sure between the three I would be covered.... How much do arrows cost, or are they called bolts? I guess once you buy a few you don't really need anymore. Do they last long?

You are correct, arrows for crossbows are called bolts.  Maybe some of the more experienced archers in here can guide me to a better deal, but, I have been buying the Tenpoint graphite bolts to match my crossbow.  They are pricey though...  You can get a dozen for $98.00 on the bass pro/outdoor world website.  Am I getting hosed?
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 13, 2011, 06:37:01 PM
No JKB, that's a pretty fair price. They usually run about $8 a bolt & up for good quality.
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on September 13, 2011, 06:44:44 PM
Thanks bro!  Good to know.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Ed Douglas on September 15, 2011, 08:58:25 PM
Something that is almost a must, is to make sure the other family members capable of handling a weapon, has one they can handle. I have the pistol for the wife, and am thinking maybe I should get her a .22LR AR15. There was a used Sig, for $459, and it probably isn't there anymore. Nice weapon. A nice scope, and voila!   ed
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 16, 2011, 03:44:54 PM
I bit the big one & purchased a Springfield Armory M14 Scout. It is the short version; SOCOM model. Has a forward fitted scope (like the Ruger Gunsite Scout) and is chambered in .308 Winchester. Semi Automatic heaven!
10/20 rd box magazines, 800 yd range. It cost $244.00 more than my first car.  :o
I had a match model back in the early 90s, but sold it. I have regretted getting rid of it ever since. We had the DMR model on my last deployment. Match grade with bipod, supressor, & leupold mk 4 scope. SIMRAAD night vision. Very nice & quiet.
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on September 16, 2011, 04:48:36 PM
Yeah... on that note...  I got my wife a Tarus Judge.  That thing is a BEAST with the .410 home defense rounds in it.  It also shoots the .45 longcolt rounds.  We go to the pistol range regularly but she is still going to sign up for a class.  I was suprised how much that thing kicks with the .410's in it.  Cool gun though...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on September 16, 2011, 07:43:40 PM
I kind of figured that.  Good thing I have a Colt .45 and Mossberg 590A1 too.  Couldn't you drive to AZ and get a Judge if you really wanted one?
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Ed Douglas on September 19, 2011, 10:21:55 AM
A guy on the gun range was shooting one. It is a monster! I was astonished everytime he shot it. I almost bought one, but I have it's needs covered already. Cool gun.  ed
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 19, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Ruger 10/22 semi automatic, 10 shot .22 LR now $197.00 at walmart. Good little survival gun. Cheap ammo. It will shoot just about any kind of cheap ammo too!
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: enlightenme on September 20, 2011, 05:13:21 AM
Ruger 10/22 semi automatic, 10 shot .22 LR now $197.00 at walmart. Good little survival gun. Cheap ammo. It will shoot just about any kind of cheap ammo too!
Erv

Do you think that one would work for a woman who is somewhat a beginner, and not experienced in shooting?  I haven't yet purchased one, guess I've been putting it off because it's not really something I ever really wanted to own.  Plus, I never thought of Walmart (silly me!).  I guess I kept thinking I'd have to go to some specialty store or a local auction or something.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 20, 2011, 05:44:08 AM
Ruger 10/22 semi automatic, 10 shot .22 LR now $197.00 at walmart. Good little survival gun. Cheap ammo. It will shoot just about any kind of cheap ammo too!
Erv

Do you think that one would work for a woman who is somewhat a beginner, and not experienced in shooting?  I haven't yet purchased one, guess I've been putting it off because it's not really something I ever really wanted to own.  Plus, I never thought of Walmart (silly me!).  I guess I kept thinking I'd have to go to some specialty store or a local auction or something.


I've had my ruger .22 since I was 12. Yes a beginner can shoot it!
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on September 20, 2011, 04:02:08 PM
Sorry, I got a VA backpay check. It's enough to get all the crap I couldn't afford. Bought a little Walther P22 today for my daughter. It's really cool. Very small. If I had done more research, I would have bought the Ruger MK III.
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on November 04, 2011, 11:55:23 AM
Santa, please?  Pretty please with sugar on top????  I want an AA12...

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1326/443/AA-12_Fully_Automatic_Shotgun_The_Alley_Cleaner.html
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on November 07, 2011, 11:52:49 AM
Sorry, I got a VA backpay check. It's enough to get all the crap I couldn't afford. Bought a little Walther P22 today for my daughter. It's really cool. Very small. If I had done more research, I would have bought the Ruger MK III.
Erv

I've thought about buying one for my kids also...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on November 07, 2011, 03:00:53 PM
Santa, please?  Pretty please with sugar on top????  I want an AA12...

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1326/443/AA-12_Fully_Automatic_Shotgun_The_Alley_Cleaner.html

JKB, look into the Saiga 12 and the USAS 12. The latter fires just like an m4 with same felt recoil. 20 & 30 rd magazines too. It's fun as he'll to shoot & very destructive with 00 buck or lockbuster.
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on November 07, 2011, 03:58:10 PM
Santa, please?  Pretty please with sugar on top????  I want an AA12...

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1326/443/AA-12_Fully_Automatic_Shotgun_The_Alley_Cleaner.html

JKB, look into the Saiga 12 and the USAS 12. The latter fires just like an m4 with same felt recoil. 20 & 30 rd magazines too. It's fun as he'll to shoot & very destructive with 00 buck or lockbuster.
Erv

I thought you'd get a kick out of that.  It's wishful thinking at this point buddy.  I would have a  hard time convincing my wife we need a fully automatic 12 ga when we already have a Mossy 590A1 pump.  It's fun to think about though!  JKB
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: errrv on November 07, 2011, 04:04:24 PM
Not practical. You'd have to own a mule just to carry the ammo! :)
Erv
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: jrobert69 on November 07, 2011, 04:15:20 PM
Santa, please?  Pretty please with sugar on top????  I want an AA12...

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1326/443/AA-12_Fully_Automatic_Shotgun_The_Alley_Cleaner.html

That does make quite the statement. Id love to grab one, little pricey though. Could grab couple nice pieces with that cost.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: terrypat on November 08, 2011, 04:58:10 AM
Not practical. You'd have to own a mule just to carry the ammo! :)
Erv

My friend Dave has a '41 Dodge Power Wagon with dump bed for sale ....
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on November 12, 2011, 06:31:25 AM
Not practical. You'd have to own a mule just to carry the ammo! :)
Erv

You are again Sir, 100% correct.  I will take a Marine and his rifle over a Russian and two AA-12's any day of the week and twice on Sunday's.  Happy Veteran's Day.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Yowbarb on December 20, 2011, 10:26:43 AM
I can't vouch for the accuracy of this info, but here's an idea.
From OTG News (Off The Grid) this book claims to have the info you need to be able to carry your
rifle anywhere, etc.
It is a past report called, "Stick To Your Guns." -  - Yowbarb
...
Top Off-Grid and Survival Experts Share Their Secrets… FREE!

http://www.offthegridnews.net/styg/index_msb.html?utm_source=MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_medium=MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_term=MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_content=%20MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_campaign=%20MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23


Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: BuddhaKitty on December 20, 2011, 07:30:12 PM
Barb, thanks for that link, i joined the newsletter to get weekly tips  :)
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Mark Harbolt on December 20, 2011, 09:28:24 PM
As did I.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on December 21, 2011, 06:36:30 AM
I can't vouch for the accuracy of this info, but here's an idea.
From OTG News (Off The Grid) this book claims to have the info you need to be able to carry your
rifle anywhere, etc.
It is a past report called, "Stick To Your Guns." -  - Yowbarb
...
Top Off-Grid and Survival Experts Share Their Secrets… FREE!

http://www.offthegridnews.net/styg/index_msb.html?utm_source=MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_medium=MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_term=MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_content=%20MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_campaign=%20MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23


Thanks Barb!
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Yowbarb on December 21, 2011, 07:52:32 AM
I hope it is a good useful report...also that it is free or low cost to join the Off The Grid News site.
Will look into it, Yowbarb

[ It is a past report called, "Stick To Your Guns." - 
...
Top Off-Grid and Survival Experts Share Their Secrets… FREE!

http://www.offthegridnews.net/styg/index_msb.html?utm_source=MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_medium=MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_term=MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_content=%20MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_campaign=%20MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23 ]
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Yowbarb on January 05, 2012, 10:13:23 AM
I can't vouch for the accuracy of this info, but here's an idea.
From OTG News (Off The Grid) this book claims to have the info you need to be able to carry your
rifle anywhere, etc.
It is a past report called, "Stick To Your Guns." -  - Yowbarb
...
Top Off-Grid and Survival Experts Share Their Secrets… FREE!

http://www.offthegridnews.net/styg/index_msb.html?utm_source=MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_medium=MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_term=MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_content=%20MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23&utm_campaign=%20MSBlog_OTGnetSTYG_300x300_Nov23


Thanks Barb!
Are you all getting some good ideas on the site?
Yowbarb
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on January 19, 2012, 02:11:03 PM
I ran across this today, and I am not trying to be an antogonist here, but I have read posts from several members who express a spiritual belief against owning and using guns.  This article does a better job of explaining what I was trying to convey in my responses to those posts.  Hope it puts things in perspective a little better.  The article is from Before It's News and I am including the link to the article below.  JKB

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1648/949/Faith_And_Firearms.html

Faith And Firearms
 
Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:51

Frontline Fellowship
 
“But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the Faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” 1 Timothy 5:8
 
Fathers and husbands are required by Almighty God to provide for their families. This includes not only providing food, housing, clothing, education, medical care, love, discipleship and spiritual guidance, but also protection. Of what worth is all the other provision if one does not provide protection as well? Anyone who fails to provide for their family has denied the Faith and is worse than an unbeliever. In fact, those who refuse to protect their young are worse than an animal. What animal will not fight to protect its offspring?
 
Our Lord Jesus Christ told His disciples that: “He who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.” Luke 22:36
 
The Law of God is clear. “If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed.” Exodus 22:2
 
The Law of God establishes the basic right of self-defence. Any person is justified in defending himself, or his family, whenever they are attacked or their lives are endangered. Any weapon is permissable for use in self-defence. The Law of God does not say that the home owner is guilty if he uses a sword, but innocent if he uses a club. The issue is not one of weapons, but the right and duty of self-defence.
 
Resistance to Tyranny
 
During a slide presentation at a church in America, the pastor objected to the Christians in Sudan taking up arms against the Sudanese government. He was much offended by the prevalence of fire arms in the hands of Sudanese Christians. So I asked what Christians in America celebrate on the 4 th July? He seemed somewhat confused, so I reminded him that their Founding Fathers had unilaterally declared Independence from Great Britain on 4 July 1776. The British called it a rebellion.
 
The American colonists took up arms against the Crown because the British had failed to rule the Americans in accordance with the Magna Carta of 1215 and the English Declaration of Rights of 1689. King George had violated his coronation oath. The American Founding Fathers maintained that the British government was no longer an authority to be submitted to, but a tyrannical power to be resisted. How then could Americans object to Christians in Sudan doing what they had done in 1776?
 
continue at Frontline Fellowship:
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Mark Harbolt on January 19, 2012, 04:24:09 PM
I read this earlier today.  I wanted to repost this in my email to spread the word.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on January 21, 2012, 12:07:13 PM
To quote a Master Sergeant I used to work for, "Ya think?"
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1657/412/The_Right_to_Bear_Arms:_Over_10,800,000_Guns_Sold_in_the_USA_in_2011.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1657/412/The_Right_to_Bear_Arms:_Over_10,800,000_Guns_Sold_in_the_USA_in_2011.html)
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on April 11, 2012, 08:37:35 AM
Have a question for all you gun owners. I have three business trips coming up soon. I have an option to fly or rent a car and drive. I've decided to drive since it's only a six hour drive. I do not have a carry permit to carry a loaded gun, so do I travel with a gun separated from its ammo, or could that get me into trouble if I were to get pulled over for a traffic violation. My other thought is to take a good sized knife. I plan to take a 72 hour bug out bag just in case something does happen while I'm gone from my family. this would better my odds in returning to them. I'm just trying to decide what I should do for defense. I'm sure over several hundred miles I will have to defend myself a time or two.

Would it be worth my time to take the carry permit test and pay all the fees to get it. I hear it take 1-2 months to get it. Is this a waste of time?
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on April 11, 2012, 01:49:23 PM
Awesome, thanks for the link. My trip is in two weeks and I'm trying to get prepared. I'm thinking I'll just skip the carry permit at this time. Once the SHTF i'm sure a permit won't be needed! I'm not worried about being card jacked. I just want a weapon just in case... Thanks.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: 1969quartz0 on April 15, 2012, 06:47:40 PM
Will I would advise taking the course for a few reasons it will explain the laws that are in effect now, it will teach you how to shoot in a stressful situation, and it will allow you to carry it so you have it ready when you need it. Be careful crossing state lines know their laws either with or without a (CCW/CPL/CHL)
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on April 16, 2012, 06:52:38 AM
Will I would advise taking the course for a few reasons it will explain the laws that are in effect now, it will teach you how to shoot in a stressful situation, and it will allow you to carry it so you have it ready when you need it. Be careful crossing state lines know their laws either with or without a (CCW/CPL/CHL)

Very good point.... I've got my class scheduled for this weekend. Thanks for your input.
Title: What's the government buying these days?
Post by: Willsorr75 on April 19, 2012, 07:55:16 AM
Thought I should share this...

Wednesday, April 18, 2012
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Editor of NaturalNews.com
450 million rounds of hollow points to be used against the American people.
"Just a few weeks ago, the federal government initiated a contract for acquiring 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition. "The special hollow point effectively passes through a variety of barriers and holds its jacket in the toughest conditions," says a press release from the award winner, ammunition manufacturer ATK. (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/atk-secures-40-caliber-ammunition-co...). This ammo is for the Department of Homeland Security as well as ICE.

Question: What does DHS intend to do with 450 million rounds of barrier-piercing hollow point ammunition?

The really important answer is that no one buys hollow point bullets for target practice. They're too expensive. Practice ammo is always FMJ ammo (Full Metal Jacket), meaning it has a solid tip. But the far more expensive hollow point ammo is ballistically designed to shred internal organs upon impact. It's the kind of ammo used by police officers who want to shatter the bad guy's sternum as quickly as possible and thereby bring him to the ground where he bleeds out from internal tissue trauma.

The DHS is a domestic agency. It does not fight wars overseas. It almost exclusively concerns itself with the American people on American soil. That the DHS is contracting to buy 450 million rounds of hollow point ammo can only mean DHS plans to need this ammo to be used against the American people.

Do the math: That's almost two bullets for every man, woman and child in America -- all in the hands of a government agency that says you should spy on your fellow citizens because they might be terrorists. The message is clear: Government is good, citizens are bad. And DHS feels it needs 450 million rounds of hollow point ammo to keep the American people in line, apparently. For what other purpose would so much hollow point ammo be purchased?"

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035607_government_checkpoints_Martial_Law.html
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on April 20, 2012, 11:33:18 AM
Because that's how many rounds they're going to need to over run my house...     >:(   I posted somewhere else, oh yeah, in the weapons topic, about the record gun sales.  Americans bout more guns last year than any previous year in recorded history.  Several gun makers (Smith & Wesson, Ruger) are no longer even taking orders for handguns until they can get caught up.  People are waking up.  They may not know about PX,  but they know something is coming. 
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on May 10, 2012, 02:03:34 PM
I added another gun to my collection. I bought a Marlin 60 .22lr today with a BSA 4x32WR Rifle Scope. I can't wait to shoot it this weekend. I know it's not a large caliber gun, but with well placed shots it can do serious damage, and with .22lr ammo so cheap I can stock up on ammo that would last a long time!!!

I now have:

My next weapon will be a Hi Point 9mm Carbine ---http://www.cabelas.com/semiautomatic-point-9mm-carbine-1.shtml (http://www.cabelas.com/semiautomatic-point-9mm-carbine-1.shtml)
I'd like to have 2 of each .22lr and 9mm. This way the ammo can be shared and the caliber is easy to come by....
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on May 10, 2012, 02:05:29 PM
Because that's how many rounds they're going to need to over run my house...     >:(   I posted somewhere else, oh yeah, in the weapons topic, about the record gun sales.  Americans bout more guns last year than any previous year in recorded history.  Several gun makers (Smith & Wesson, Ruger) are no longer even taking orders for handguns until they can get caught up.  People are waking up.  They may not know about PX,  but they know something is coming.

LOL, Let's hope it doesn't come to that.... I heard someone at Academy sports today saying the same thing about record gun sales... I just hope they don't try to take our guns from us...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: enlightenme on May 10, 2012, 06:10:32 PM
I added another gun to my collection. I bought a Marlin 60 .22lr today with a BSA 4x32WR Rifle Scope. I can't wait to shoot it this weekend. I know it's not a large caliber gun, but with well placed shots it can do serious damage, and with .22lr ammo so cheap I can stock up on ammo that would last a long time!!!

I now have:
  • Mossberg 12guage shotgun---http://www.impactguns.com/mossberg-model-500-cruiserpersuader-combo-package-wpistol-grip-full-stock-50780-015813507806.aspx (http://www.impactguns.com/mossberg-model-500-cruiserpersuader-combo-package-wpistol-grip-full-stock-50780-015813507806.aspx)
  • Mossberg Tactical AR style .22lr---http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/mossberg/tactical-ar-rifle-22lr-18in-25rd-black/ (http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/mossberg/tactical-ar-rifle-22lr-18in-25rd-black/)
  • Marlin 60 .22lr---http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/selfloading/60.asp (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/selfloading/60.asp)
  • Hi Point 9mm---http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/handguns/9%20mm/hi_point_9mm.html (http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/handguns/9%20mm/hi_point_9mm.html)
  • Berretta .32acp---http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/25071 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/25071)

My next weapon will be a Hi Point 9mm Carbine ---http://www.cabelas.com/semiautomatic-point-9mm-carbine-1.shtml (http://www.cabelas.com/semiautomatic-point-9mm-carbine-1.shtml)
I'd like to have 2 of each .22lr and 9mm. This way the ammo can be shared and the caliber is easy to come by....


I'm thinking somebody would be a pretty sorry fella if he tried to come in your place unannounced! 
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on May 10, 2012, 07:39:35 PM
I agree Wilsorr75.  I bought a Ruger 10/22 and the Archangel conversion kit to go with it.  The Archangel turns the basic Ruger 10/22 into a tactical 22, and pretty bad ass looking to boot...  I added a nice scope and foregrip w/light in it and it is a pretty impressive looking weapon.  I wanted a 22 to hunt small game with but I concur with you, 4 or 5 pops from a 22lr and I think sombody isn't going to want to fight anymore.  Plus, I currently have 4,500 rounds of 22 ammo, so, by far the most ammo of anything else I own.  I plan on buying another 1500 rounds here pretty soon.  I have six guns right now and think I'm pretty much done:I think we could put up a pretty decent fight with all of the above...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on May 11, 2012, 07:23:04 AM
I added another gun to my collection. I bought a Marlin 60 .22lr today with a BSA 4x32WR Rifle Scope. I can't wait to shoot it this weekend. I know it's not a large caliber gun, but with well placed shots it can do serious damage, and with .22lr ammo so cheap I can stock up on ammo that would last a long time!!!

I now have:
  • Mossberg 12guage shotgun---http://www.impactguns.com/mossberg-model-500-cruiserpersuader-combo-package-wpistol-grip-full-stock-50780-015813507806.aspx (http://www.impactguns.com/mossberg-model-500-cruiserpersuader-combo-package-wpistol-grip-full-stock-50780-015813507806.aspx)
  • Mossberg Tactical AR style .22lr---http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/mossberg/tactical-ar-rifle-22lr-18in-25rd-black/ (http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/mossberg/tactical-ar-rifle-22lr-18in-25rd-black/)
  • Marlin 60 .22lr---http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/selfloading/60.asp (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/selfloading/60.asp)
  • Hi Point 9mm---http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/handguns/9%20mm/hi_point_9mm.html (http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/handguns/9%20mm/hi_point_9mm.html)
  • Berretta .32acp---http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/25071 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/25071)

My next weapon will be a Hi Point 9mm Carbine ---http://www.cabelas.com/semiautomatic-point-9mm-carbine-1.shtml (http://www.cabelas.com/semiautomatic-point-9mm-carbine-1.shtml)
I'd like to have 2 of each .22lr and 9mm. This way the ammo can be shared and the caliber is easy to come by....


I'm thinking somebody would be a pretty sorry fella if he tried to come in your place unannounced!

HAHA, I pray we never find out!... :)
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on May 11, 2012, 07:28:18 AM
I agree Wilsorr75.  I bought a Ruger 10/22 and the Archangel conversion kit to go with it.  The Archangel turns the basic Ruger 10/22 into a tactical 22, and pretty bad ass looking to boot...  I added a nice scope and foregrip w/light in it and it is a pretty impressive looking weapon.  I wanted a 22 to hunt small game with but I concur with you, 4 or 5 pops from a 22lr and I think sombody isn't going to want to fight anymore.  Plus, I currently have 4,500 rounds of 22 ammo, so, by far the most ammo of anything else I own.  I plan on buying another 1500 rounds here pretty soon.  I have six guns right now and think I'm pretty much done:
  • Mossberg 590A1 Military-Police 12 gauge shotty
  • Weatherby .30-06 Vanguard rifle
  • Ruger 10/22 Archangel rifle
  • Glock 21 (.45 ACP)
  • Colt .45 six shooter
  • Tarus Judge (.45 Long Colt/.410 pistol)  (This thing is a BEAST with the .410 home defense rounds in it)
I think we could put up a pretty decent fight with all of the above...
I considered buying a 10/22 but didn't have the extra cash. I hear its the best .22lr you can buy. I hadn't seen the conversion kit, but wow, I just googled it and it is very impressive. With that hanging from your shoulders I gotta feeling people are going to stay away from you! I would love to have the Judge. It's on my wish list!
I have about 2000 rounds of .22lr, but will be buying more soon. I couldn't imagine how much it would cost to have 2000-4000 rounds of a larger caliber...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on May 11, 2012, 08:08:43 AM
It has taken time friend.  I'm not rich.  I started buying 50 rounds here, 50 rounds there about three years ago.  You can't have too much.  Definately snag a Judge if you can.  It took me about 4 months to get the 22 together too.  I bought the Ruger one month, the conversion kit the next, then the scope and finally the foregrip.  I don't have to tell you I was getting impatient...  I think we are running out of time though...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on May 11, 2012, 08:13:31 AM
It has taken time friend.  I'm not rich.  I started buying 50 rounds here, 50 rounds there about three years ago.  You can't have too much.  Definately snag a Judge if you can.  It took me about 4 months to get the 22 together too.  I bought the Ruger one month, the conversion kit the next, then the scope and finally the foregrip.  I don't have to tell you I was getting impatient...  I think we are running out of time though...

i totally agree, you can't have to much ammo. Might i asked what ammo you are buying for .22lr? I'm trying to decide which has a cleaner burn.. So far I've been using Federal... Also I would love to see a pic of your modified 10/22 when you get a chance to post one... what scope did you put on it?
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on December 22, 2012, 02:56:39 PM
"The only thing that can stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun."
 
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: enlightenme on December 26, 2012, 07:55:51 AM
"The only thing that can stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun."

Excellent Point!!  Though I'm afraid the current political and social climate will have some new laws in store for us soon.  Anyone wishing to buy the high-powered artillery had better do so soon.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on December 26, 2012, 06:26:10 PM
I put quotes around that because that is what the NRA President said recently in response to the school shootings, for which he is catching Holy Hell for saying right now.  I didn't want to stir anything up, but I am a card carrying member of the NRA and I agree with him wholeheartedly.  I would agree with that statement even if I wasn't a member too though.
 
The thought has finally crossed my mind that if I were going to purchase an assault rifle, now is the time while I still can.  That is pretty much the only weapon missing from my arsenal...  I am kind of kicking myself for not buying that .308 SKS for $500 I had a chance to buy awhile back.  I remember thinking at the time, "I'm kind of tired of buying guns and ammo and what would I ever use that for anyway?"
 
Oh, well...  If I were going to buy one, I would want to get what I want and that would run about $1600 right now, which I don't have.  So, looks like I'm standing pat with what I got.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on December 26, 2012, 07:02:08 PM
P.S.  $1600 would just be for the upper and lower recievers, the gun itself...  I would still have to buy mags, foregrip/bi-pod, scope, and ammo, just to start and now I'm looking at $2000 to $2500...  Yeah, with me retiring in 9 months and looking to pay off debts, I'm not taking out a loan for that, even though it would be bad ass...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on December 26, 2012, 08:22:49 PM
P.S.S...
 
I'm sorry, this post got my mind going again...  I am a gun enthusiast and I haven't purchased a weapon or a round of ammo in quite some time.  And so, I let myself think about that SKS I passed up or the assault weapon I would build if I had the money, and part of me wishes I had either...
 
However, I keep coming back to the question of what would I actually do with such a gun other than take it out and clean it once a month, or show it to my friends, or maybe go out in the woods and shoot some trees or bottles with it?
 
I can't really justify owning such a gun, except it seems to be a popular trend...  What would you use a semi-automatic, and there is a legal way to make it fully automatic if you so choose, assault rifle for?  What purpose?  I can only think of a few, unless I'm missing something...  Double check my thinking friends...  Here are the only reasons I can think of...
 
1.  It is cool, nice to look at, and impresses your friends.
2.  In case the Zombie Apocalypse actually happens.  In which case, you will only draw more zombies to your location every time you pull the trigger on that thing so you better have a ton of ammo...
3.  200 gangsters all decide to break into your house simultaneously...
4.  A couple of SWAT teams have your place surrounded, in which case you are either going to jail for the rest of your life, eventually, or you are going to die.
5.  The rumors that foreign troops are already on our soil and just waiting for the thumbs up from our own government to kill most of us are true...
6.  Or, and this really seems to be the only logical reason to own an assault weapon, say we all survive the doomsday scenario and assemble into local communities.  Due to shear human nature, sooner or later communities will start attacking neighboring communities to acquire their resources and take out the local competition...  I could see using an SKS or an AR in that scenario, sure...
 
So, what am I missing???

 
 
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: enlightenme on December 26, 2012, 08:50:59 PM
 ;D Not one dang thing that I can think of JKB!! ;D
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Yowbarb on December 27, 2012, 02:38:43 AM
Although I (do) understand why many people are calling for more gun control:
I'm not in favor of gun control either, beyond what we already have.  These are the main reasons:
•   Any type of gun control will lead to more gun control
•   People do need to protect themselves
•   I do not want some panel of government psychs deciding how to screen the citizens,
•   I do not want them actually screening citizens.

I am not thinking any significant gun control will pass in the near future.
Aside from saying this, I don't want it to turn into much of a political discussion.
- Barb Townsend


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Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on December 27, 2012, 05:33:09 PM
I don't either Barb and that is why I was hesitant to go down this road.  I am hearing some very disturbing rumors currently, and if they come to pass, (which I don't think they will) we are all going to have to choose how we respond to this and I don't like either option.  No good will come from this...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Jimfarmer on December 27, 2012, 05:46:50 PM
Quote
I do not want them actually screening citizens.

Drivers licenses?
Voter registration?
Electrician licenses?
Medical doctor licenses?
Marriage licenses?

The Wild West no longer exists.
But, not to worry, the whole issue will also cease to exist after ascension, which has been in progress for many years.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on December 27, 2012, 07:12:48 PM
Well, I am hearing that they plan to take away personal weapons from active duty military first, then civilians.  That makes no sense.  How are they going to take away my personal weapons and then require me to carry a fully loaded assault rifle in the line of duty?  I'm telling you right now that that will go over like a pregnant pole vaulter with us.  Not happening...
 
Like you said, I don't think this will ever come close to implementation, but Jim, all hell could break loose real fast...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Yowbarb on December 28, 2012, 11:10:34 AM
Quote
I do not want them actually screening citizens.

Drivers licenses?
Voter registration?
Electrician licenses?
Medical doctor licenses?
Marriage licenses?

The Wild West no longer exists.
But, not to worry, the whole issue will also cease to exist after ascension, which has been in progress for many years.

Oh what I had meant was in - depth and very intrusive psychiatric evaluations of citizens as part of the "screening" process for gun purchase.  That possibility bothers me more than any other issue.
I am not talking about the process people go through for most licenses now.
If ascension helps to bypass that horrible process of some sort of psych - dominated fascist state, well then bring it on...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Yowbarb on December 28, 2012, 11:12:18 AM
Well, I am hearing that they plan to take away personal weapons from active duty military first, then civilians.  That makes no sense.  How are they going to take away my personal weapons and then require me to carry a fully loaded assault rifle in the line of duty?  I'm telling you right now that that will go over like a pregnant pole vaulter with us.  Not happening...
 
Like you said, I don't think this will ever come close to implementation, but Jim, all hell could break loose real fast...
So of course that does not make sense.  You would think the US government would want military and ex military to be armed sharp and ready to help in the common defense and in emergencies.
What is the source of info on that...only if you want to post it.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: enlightenme on December 28, 2012, 04:45:41 PM
Well, I am hearing that they plan to take away personal weapons from active duty military first, then civilians.  That makes no sense.  How are they going to take away my personal weapons and then require me to carry a fully loaded assault rifle in the line of duty?  I'm telling you right now that that will go over like a pregnant pole vaulter with us.  Not happening...
 
Like you said, I don't think this will ever come close to implementation, but Jim, all hell could break loose real fast...

Geez JKB, that does sound like the most ridiculous thing I've heard in quite some time!!  That would make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on January 12, 2013, 02:18:02 PM
Of course it wouldn't make sense and that is what is wrong with all of us and I am going to stop there on that note... 
 
On another note, I was completely content with whatever firearms I might or might not own, until they started talking about taking our guns away...  I hate to be a bur in the saddle but I will not stand quietly by and watch this happen...
 
I openly spoke about the reasons for owning/not-owning an assault rifle in this very topic, I believe.  I couldn't come up with a reason to purchase one, really, before... 
 
Well, if they want to tell me I can't own one because some other person did an evil deed with one, then, we have an issue.  That  just makes me want to go out and get one, or more, for the sake of rocking the boat or being ready for when they "come to get them," as they have openly stated that they are gearing up to do.
 
I happen to know someone who is attending a gun show today, and they are telling me that I'm right.  What I have been saying all along is right, because all of the guns are on backorder, and so is the ammo...  This person can pay for a gun and some ammo but they don't know when they will actually be able to hold the items they paid for.  Hmmm... 
 
That person can't ever say I didn't warn them...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: enlightenme on January 12, 2013, 03:09:04 PM
Funny you mentioned it JKB.  I had never even considered wanting one of those "heavy duty" guns, until I thought I might soon not be able to get one.  Then, strangely, I started wanting one!  ;D 
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on January 12, 2013, 03:49:42 PM
I know, my friend, and I don't want to be dramatic but there is a line in the sand.  For me, this is it.  Period.  All four of my Grandparents would turn in their graves if they even thought that I would possibly consider giving up my guns, willingly and freely...  Just like that... 
 
Nope.  Not gonna happen...  Not in my lifetime...
 
I am not a criminal.  In fact, I am about to retire from the United States Marine Corps.  Someone, somewhere else is saying I can not be trusted with a gun?  Really?  Where was this person when I was living moment to moment in a hot ass sandbox half way across the planet?   I would like know and have a word or two with that person.  I don't think I saw him or her in the bunker next to me...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on January 12, 2013, 05:30:41 PM
I didn't want one until they said I couldn't have one...   That would be me...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on January 12, 2013, 05:33:20 PM
That is all I have to say.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: enlightenme on January 12, 2013, 06:01:12 PM
 :D ;D
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 05, 2013, 06:43:07 AM
Well, I'd like to share my plans for my family for next year, and I have a question I hope one of you Gun enthusiast can assist with. I own three guns and need to sell them. I've never sold a gun before and do not know where to start. Some people have suggested a gun show, but I'd rather do that as a last resort, unless you all agree the gun show is the best way to go.

Now to the reason I'm selling all my guns.. I am moving my family to Australia next year and selling my guns will help expedite the trip. The reason for our move is due to the amount of family we have there and we feel it's time to share our kids with them... They've been begging for us to move for years and now we feel its the perfect time.

So, if any one could assist I would greatly appreciate it.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on September 05, 2013, 09:18:59 PM
You know, I looked into moving to Australia a few years ago just to get out of the US and it just seemed too daunting of a task at the time, so congrats and best of luck...
 
1)  Are your guns registered to you?  I only ask because if they are you will need to do up a bill of sale if you sell them to an individual.  This will cover you in case the person you sell them to uses your gun to commit a crime.  If the authorities track your gun back to you, you will have proof that you no longer own the weapon.
 
2)  I know you have told me before, but what state do you live in?  I ask because here in Texas pretty much every gun store will buy used guns.
 
3)  Do you have any friends that would buy them?
 
4)  Do you live near a military base?  The Marine Corps has a "Craig's List" just for Marines and you can buy/sell all kinds of things there from people who won't screw you over.
 
5)  Last resort, Craigs List or a gun show.  You will have to get a permit to sell your gun at a gun show but unless you have something crazy, it shouldn't be that big of a deal if you are worried about the Feds the same way I am.
 
PS:  Send me a PM with what you have and what you want for it.  I'm pretty sure you can't mail a gun through the postal service but you can take your gun to a dealer near you, and they can send it to a dealer near me or one of my friends, and they can pick it up from that dealer.  I know a lot of people (all military) who are always interested in guns and they won't screw you over.
 
PSS:  There are some gun-nuts in here that may be interested as well.
 
Hope this helps.  Shoot me a PM...
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Mark Harbolt on September 08, 2013, 06:50:39 PM
I'm a gun nut!  ;D
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 10, 2013, 11:51:47 AM
You know, I looked into moving to Australia a few years ago just to get out of the US and it just seemed too daunting of a task at the time, so congrats and best of luck...
 
1)  Are your guns registered to you?  I only ask because if they are you will need to do up a bill of sale if you sell them to an individual.  This will cover you in case the person you sell them to uses your gun to commit a crime.  If the authorities track your gun back to you, you will have proof that you no longer own the weapon.
 
2)  I know you have told me before, but what state do you live in?  I ask because here in Texas pretty much every gun store will buy used guns.
 
3)  Do you have any friends that would buy them?
 
4)  Do you live near a military base?  The Marine Corps has a "Craig's List" just for Marines and you can buy/sell all kinds of things there from people who won't screw you over.
 
5)  Last resort, Craigs List or a gun show.  You will have to get a permit to sell your gun at a gun show but unless you have something crazy, it shouldn't be that big of a deal if you are worried about the Feds the same way I am.
 
PS:  Send me a PM with what you have and what you want for it.  I'm pretty sure you can't mail a gun through the postal service but you can take your gun to a dealer near you, and they can send it to a dealer near me or one of my friends, and they can pick it up from that dealer.  I know a lot of people (all military) who are always interested in guns and they won't screw you over.
 
PSS:  There are some gun-nuts in here that may be interested as well.
 
Hope this helps.  Shoot me a PM...

Thanks for you response. I was able to sell the guns. I found a coworker who had been looking to buy used guns. He bought all three of mine which worked out well. I appreciate your information and assistance...

Australia is a must for my family. It will be easier for us because my wife is from there. All her family lives there and any assistance we need they will pitch in to help. We still have about a year before we leave though.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on September 12, 2013, 06:47:04 PM
Cool.  It helps having a foot in the door.  I am feeling much better now that we are in Texas.  The US is still in major trouble, with or without PX, but Texas can alway succeeed from the Union and has reminded The President of that fact recently...  I don't think there is really any place that is 100% safe from disaster, but brother, it is good to be back in TX.  Good luck my friend and let's stay in touch.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 13, 2013, 05:29:50 AM
Cool.  It helps having a foot in the door.  I am feeling much better now that we are in Texas.  The US is still in major trouble, with or without PX, but Texas can alway succeeed from the Union and has reminded The President of that fact recently...  I don't think there is really any place that is 100% safe from disaster, but brother, it is good to be back in TX.  Good luck my friend and let's stay in touch.

What do you mean Texas can succeed? This is new to me.
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: JKB on September 14, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
Oh man, you just opened up a can of worms....
 
I am going to attach a letter at the end of this post and it is very much worth your time to read, but in short, let me tell you why I love Texas so much....
 
Texas is the only state that kicked another country's ass by itself, with a little help from some brave men from Tennessee, and won their independence from that country.  March 2nd, 1836.
 
We are the only state that was once it's own country.
 
As such, as a condition of joining the union and becoming part of the United States, we reserved a few rights for our state:
 
1)  We reserve the right to succeed from the union of the United States at any time we choose.
 
2)  We reserve the right to fly the Texas flag at the same height as the United States flag.
 
Incidentally, almost every company I talked to about my post-military employment tried to get me to take a job somewhere other than Texas to include the company I now work for.  I just kept saying, "Look, I'm really not trying to be difficult here, but I am just not interested in working anywhere other than in Texas."
I could go on, but this letter says it all...
 
"What it means to be a Texan,"  by Bum Phillips.
 
http://www.texfiles.com/lonestarquarterly/beingtexan.htm (http://www.texfiles.com/lonestarquarterly/beingtexan.htm)
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Jimfarmer on September 14, 2013, 01:34:23 PM
succeed   secede
Title: Re: The Peace Makers
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 16, 2013, 08:51:15 AM
Thanks JKB, that was a good read. I can see now why you love Texas so much and why in times like this it would be a great place to be...