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Linda - SURVIVAL HEALTH => Alternative Medicine - Herbs, Foods and Methods => Topic started by: Socrates on January 26, 2018, 03:48:39 AM

Title: MINERALS!!!
Post by: Socrates on January 26, 2018, 03:48:39 AM
I'm sorry, people, but i'm 53 yo now and have been studying nutrition since my teens; in that time i have learned that minerals are the all and end all of nutrition [i.e. above hormones, gut flora, pH, etc. etc.]. But now i've found a great scientific source going into how to balance minerals and i can't find where to place it in the forum...
Am i missing some great thread somewhere? Please, help me out.

A great online resource i recently found points to Morley Robbins' research on Magnesium (http://gotmag.org/ebooks/) (and other minerals) and i just bought his Ebook for $ 15; i'd like to share with y'all [shucks, it's not like i'm killing his business by sharing with all [sigh] of this forum's tenants...] but where do i put this?

"Have PDF, will share for free"  ;)
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: R.R. Book on January 26, 2018, 06:16:16 AM
Soc, please PM me a copy when you have time! 

Yes, my nutrition professor in college "way back" in the '80's said the same exact thing: most people in the developed world are at least marginally deficient in minerals, and she particularly named magnesium as the most common deficiency, followed by iron.  I've seen a little controversy over iron, but never over Mg.  It makes for a really good night's sleep, and is necessary for calcium to be deposited into bones and teeth.  Can't wait to see what else is in the .pdf!  :)
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: ilinda on January 27, 2018, 04:55:09 PM
Agreed.  Minerals are a most underrated component of human nutrition.  Some years ago I heard some doctor talking on the radio and he commented casually how farmers are always scrutinizing labels, etc., to make sure their livestock are getting all the needed minerals, including those trace elements, whereas, one never or rarely hears a physician telling a parent to make sure their children are receiving all the needed minerals in the diet.
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: R.R. Book on January 27, 2018, 05:21:40 PM
I only remember the pediatrician trying to push fluoride supplements onto our toddlers!  ::)
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: ilinda on January 28, 2018, 05:23:12 AM
I only remember the pediatrician trying to push fluoride supplements onto our toddlers!  ::)
As if fluoridated water, toothpaste, and meds aren't enough?????  Yikes.
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: R.R. Book on January 28, 2018, 05:32:13 AM
Absolutely!
Title: Copper
Post by: Socrates on January 28, 2018, 03:55:29 PM
DeLauer reminded me of the importance of copper but Tony Pantalleresco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojyqdZUQcws) had informed me of this years ago. I did make colloidal copper once back then and it's something i need to get back into.

There is a copper-zinc issue; too little copper and zinc lead to iron overload but supplementing with zinc can bring down copper levels. In the above vid, Tony also mentions to supplement with zinc if you're taking copper.
DeLauer even implies copper deficiencies could be a major cause in aging...
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: R.R. Book on January 28, 2018, 04:04:38 PM
I've only ever tried making colloidal silver and gold, as copper at least used to be considered ubiquitous in many foods, before our soil was so depleted that is.  A number of calci-mag supplements that have the right ratio also contain 15 mg zinc, which seems like a good idea but the zinc can quickly add up both in the diet and in other supplement formulas (15 mg in most multi's, etc.).

What ratio do you suggest for Cu/Zn?
Title: Re: copper intake
Post by: Socrates on January 28, 2018, 07:56:11 PM
Sorry, still doing my research. Have previously just taken 'some'... Have to find my TDS meter as Pantalleresco's talking about 10 ppm.
Important thing about all this, i believe, is that too much zinc actually lowers copper levels in the body and both conditions cause iron to run amok.
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: R.R. Book on January 29, 2018, 04:30:14 AM
Thanks Soc - please keep us posted as you learn more!  :)
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: R.R. Book on January 31, 2018, 05:09:53 PM
Quote
"Have PDF, will share for free"

I am learning so much from the .pdf on nutritional requirements for vitamins and minerals that Socrates is offering by email.  It is 301 pages in length and goes into fine biochemical detail about how nutrients interact with one another, and which forms are best in order not to inadvertently throw a wrench into that delicate balance.

Word of wisdom from the text for those of us Northerners dependent upon vitamin D to survive the winter and flu season: we need to be supplementing with vitamin A, perhaps not at the same time, as they oppose one another, but perhaps at opposite times of the day...

Will cut this short for now and upload an illustration from the .pdf diagramming how nutrients are used by individual cells:
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: R.R. Book on January 31, 2018, 05:31:33 PM
More from Soc's .pdf:

Apparently we can't just swallow elemental copper and expect it to just end up where we need it in the human body.  It must be bound to ceruloplasmin, which is a glycoprotein that attaches to copper and transports it to dozens of different places where it is needed in biochemical reactions.  Ceruloplasmin is an extremely complex molecule, depicted thus on Wikipedia:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Protein_CP_PDB_1kcw.png/375px-Protein_CP_PDB_1kcw.png)

The .pdf document provides a list of do's and don't's for ensuring that copper correctly binds to ceruplasmin and gets to the right places:

Do
*Take a buffered vitamin C complex of whole foods
*Supplement with vitamin A, the B complex, magnesium, selenium, iodine, taurine and lecithin
*Do ignore Conventional Wisdom and consume grass-fed liver with onions cooked in bacon fat once a week
*Do eat grass-fed butter
*Take vitamin D in the form of cod liver oil (not gonna happen in my house... :) )
*Avoid mercury fillings
*Consume iron-rich foods

Don't
*Take synthetic vitamin D capsules without supplementing vitamin A at a different time of day
*Take calcium pills that are not balanced with a magnesium ingredient
*Take the ascorbic acid form of vitamin C
*Consume high-fructose corn syrup
*Consume foods sprayed with glyphosate herbicides
*Supplement with elemental iron
*Consume or use fluoride
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: ilinda on January 31, 2018, 07:28:40 PM
The info. in that PDF sounds quite interesting, educational and useful.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: R.R. Book on February 01, 2018, 04:51:45 AM
 :) Thanks to Socrates for sharing the .pdf (he can be reached thru the PM system if anyone would like to request their own copy). 

Here is a list of supplements that antagonize one another, per the .pdf, and should be taken at separate times:

Vitamin A opposes: vitamin D, vitamin E and Calcium
Vitamin C opposes: copper and potassium
Vitamin D opposes: calcium (then one wonders why so many supplements pair the two together!)
Vitamin E opposes: vitamin A, potassium, and essential fatty acids
Inorganic calcium opposes: magnesium
Inorganic iron opposes: copper and chromium
Zinc opposes: copper
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: ilinda on February 01, 2018, 02:04:57 PM
:) Thanks to Socrates for sharing the .pdf (he can be reached thru the PM system if anyone would like to request their own copy). 

Here is a list of supplements that antagonize one another, per the .pdf, and should be taken at separate times:

Vitamin A opposes: vitamin D, vitamin E and Calcium
Vitamin C opposes: copper and potassium
Vitamin D opposes: calcium (then one wonders why so many supplements pair the two together!)
Vitamin E opposes: vitamin A, potassium, and essential fatty acids
Inorganic calcium opposes: magnesium
Inorganic iron opposes: copper and chromium
Zinc opposes: copper
Here's a little tidbit about minerals and osteoporosis.  There is solid research showing women of menopausal or postmenopausal age can actually increase bone mass by ingesting eggshell, especially organic (non-organic eggshells will likely have arsenic), and I've posted a link to the research on the TH several within past several years.

There is also research showing beer drinkers have little or no osteoporosis, due to the silicon content of beer.  After considering both, I settled on the eggshell powder, because drinking beer at night alters my sleep, and drinking earlier in day--well there just isn't enough time.  But after talking with a friend, Sue, who is 70 and who has a serious case of osteoporosis, as did her mother, and learning that Sue's older sister, 76 y/o, has not one trace of osteoporosis or even osteopenia.  I discussed her sister and sister's lifestyle and discovered sister is a daily beer drinker.  Still I could not face sleepless nights, one after another, just to strengthen my bones.

Then I had a dream where I was drinking beer out of a shot glass.  That did it, and I figured if I can drink a full shot glass of beer every day, it probably won't disrupt my sleep, and I can "build strong bones" as the old commercials used to say.  So now every morning I drink my shot glass of beer.  And you know what?  I never thought drinking beer in the morning would be fun!   It really is!   
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: R.R. Book on February 01, 2018, 02:18:57 PM
That's the power of moderation!  You all may also be pleased that I've "slightly" lifted the ban on dark chocolate in my diet, also in the spirit of moderation, and am having one or two squares daily now - just not a whole candy bar.  Seems to pick me up in the mid-afternoon and Soc's .pdf recommended it.   :)
Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: R.R. Book on February 02, 2018, 10:22:29 AM
Posting a little blurb from Soc's .pdf on the "Zombies" formula as a mnemonic device for remembering optimal supplementation for mineral absorption:

Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: R.R. Book on February 02, 2018, 10:26:27 AM
A simple little recipe for an adrenal support cocktail from Soc's .pdf:

Note for women: It is the adrenals that take over estrogen production @ menopause when the ovaries shut down.

Title: Re: MINERALS!!!
Post by: R.R. Book on February 02, 2018, 10:50:27 AM
Posting a chart summarizing Soc's .pdf on the parallel Central Nervous Systems and which supplements feed which:

Sympathetic Nervous System         Parasympathetic Nervous System
(S=Stress, "Fight or Flight")                    (P=Peace, "R and R")

Calcium                                                 Magnesium
Sodium                                                  Potassium
Synthetic Vitamin D3 (w/o Vit. A)            Copper transport support (post #11)
Sugar
High Fructose Corn Syrup
Caffeine