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Alternative power generators
« on: November 03, 2011, 09:15:02 AM »
Another free-energy generator is publicized at http://www.johnsonmotor.org/.

$47 for the building instructions.

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Re: Alternative power generators
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2011, 01:46:03 PM »
Anyone try this? I listened to it, they mentioned patent quite a few times. Sounds suspicious.
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The history of perpetual motion machines dates back to the Middle Ages. For millennia, it was not clear whether perpetual motion devices were possible or not, but the development of modern theories of thermodynamics has indicated that they are impossible. Despite this, many attempts have been made to construct such machines, continuing into modern times. Modern designers and proponents often use other terms, such as "over-unity", to describe their inventions.


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Pro though looks more like advertising than a honest review.
http://www.freenergy4u.com/hojo-motor-review

Another "well written" review like above
http://articlesbright.com/society/energy/hojo-motor-review-does-howard-johnsons-free-electricity-generator-really-work


At this point almost every positive article, and Ive looked at dozens, look like they were written by the same person. Same format and all trying to sell the product. This product was put out originally around 1980. On the Cover of Science and Mechanics.  http://www.rexresearch.com/johnson/1johnson.htm

They come at you suggesting they were squashed by power companies. Now he is out to help everyone. Not one negative review to be found in the first 5 pages of google. Id have to say if I was a powerful electric company, I would make sure there were negative reviews. And after 5 google pages of links noone actually claiming it works as advertised.

Id have togo with smells fishy. Of course it wouldnt be the first time I was wrong...

just to add- Im looking at alternate energy sources now for my home, getting generator and solar panels. Thats why I got all into looking at it. I start seeing stuff like this I get all excited as it would be very cost effective.

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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2011, 02:51:17 PM »
Anyone try this? I listened to it, they mentioned patent quite a few times. Sounds suspicious.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_perpetual_motion_machines
The history of perpetual motion machines dates back to the Middle Ages. For millennia, it was not clear whether perpetual motion devices were possible or not, but the development of modern theories of thermodynamics has indicated that they are impossible. Despite this, many attempts have been made to construct such machines, continuing into modern times. Modern designers and proponents often use other terms, such as "over-unity", to describe their inventions.

Those theories of thermodynamics state that energy cannot be created, which is still correct (as far as I know),  BUT the source of energy for the over-unity machines is the vibrations of the Strings that String Theory professes and which do imbue vacuum space with an enormous quantity of energy.  The trick is to tap into that source.

Over the years I have seen announcements of several free-energy machines.  My favorite was http://www.lutec.com.au/ but they have gone quiet.  A "Free Energy Directory" is at http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/ .  This is part of their comments on the Johnson Motor: "information.  not sufficient to build a working device."

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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2011, 04:05:07 PM »
Would of been sweet and great timing. With a power source like that you could set up shop anywhere. Its a preppers dream. I do believe that such a device exists and was created by Nikola Tesla. Damn shame we dont know how to build it.

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2011, 08:37:52 PM »
Jrobert, look under bill xam's posts. He made a video showing how to make a tesla design of zero point energy device that costs about $2 to make from simple parts at radio shack. Minimal soldering. He powers a phone with it I think.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2011, 12:41:43 PM »
An article appearing in the New York Daily News, April 2, 1934 titled "Tesla's Wireless Power Dream Nears Reality" mentions the planned "test run of a motor car [for a distance of 30 or 40 miles] over a stretch of [Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe] railway track [running from Boise City, Oklahoma] to Farley, N. M." using wireless transmission of electrical energy to power the vehicle.  The equipment was assembled by "two Californians" and is described as "including a high-powered radio transmitter with big coils and short antenna."

According to Arthur Mathews, Tesla himself demonstrated the wireless transmission of electrical energy just prior to this.  The transmitter, described as a recreation of the Colorado Springs transformer, was assembled at a large camp in the woods near Sanford, Quebec, Canada.  The power supply was a gasoline-motor driven 75 KW generator.  Wireless energy transmission was demonstrated between Sanford and Tadoussac, a distance of about 120 miles.  The distance between Buffalo, New York and the Sanford transmitter site is about 425 miles.

In 1922 Tesla spoke about the application of wireless transmission to transportation systems.

    Question : Will not wireless transmission of energy result in time in the moving of practically all means of transportation with electrical energy from central power stations?

    MR. TESLA : No, I do not expect that such will be the case, for the transportation systems now used present certain important practical advantages which cannot be disregarded.

    Question: Will not automobiles, for instance, be operated merely by the operative "cutting in" on electrical energy supplied by wireless from power stations?

    MR. TESLA : I fear we shall not live to see the wireless system in general use for this purpose.  It is difficult to propel an automobile by the new method for reasons with which experts are familiar. Success can be much more easily achieved in the case of airships.

    In time to come it is possible that some form of automobile may be perfected that will enable this propulsion of such vehicles to be effected by power drawn from the ambient medium. [Glass, J. P. , "Tremendous Possibilities of Radio, An Interview With Nikola Tesla," Radio News, November 1922.
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Re: Alternative power generators
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2012, 02:07:20 AM »
i have been tinkering with electronics since i was 5 and i have searched for this anser to perpetual energy? the closest i have theriorized was to take a compatable electric motor, and place a belt drive on it, this is the tricky part. in orde to start it it has to have a jump start from a 12 volt battery that runs to a capacitor , conjuncted into a junction box, one would need two power outputs on the junction box and one ac converter to run batterys dc, current. it should be around 13 to 14 dc volts. once you have sustanable current coming from the generator to power your battery, u need to wire it directly into the moter that turns the generator. take the second main wires from the generator and run to junction box, put breaker switches in and install accordingly to factory specs usally find the max volts rating and use breakers accordingly. hope this helped somebody, it has been an theriorie of mine since i was a child. also there is a everyday joe who supposely came up with my same idea and made it work, key word in youtube(self running generator)

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Re: Alternative power generators
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2012, 03:16:54 PM »
I have seen this before, but I don't remember if anyone in PX TH reported trying it.  Anyway, http://www.power4home.com/ sells manuals for making solar panels and wind-turbine generators.  They claim that their systems cost only $100 to $200 (rounded up by me) to build.

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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2012, 06:10:20 PM »
Jim you can buy solar panels cheaper then you can build the them right now. I just bought Sharp 240 watt solar panels for 87 cents a watt 91 cents a watt delivered. A lot of the QE 1&2 solar plants are going bankrupt and selling the extra stock cheap Sharp is moving to Japan and a new tax on Chinese panels coming at the end of the year said to me now is the time to buy solar if you ever wanted to.

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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2012, 07:33:29 AM »
Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone had solar panels?

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Re: Alternative power generators
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2014, 09:33:09 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2014, 04:22:29 PM »
Everything you ever wanted to know about the state of "free energy, overunity, vacuum energy, etc" can be found on peswiki; a crossroads of sorts that covers the kooky to the plausible. One-stop shopping with a mind on debunking the charlatans and giving rise to credible forms of energy devices.

Link to the mainpage: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2014, 05:21:35 PM »
I suppose it would be appropriate to give my experiences as relates to some of these devices. I have been interested in this kind of technology for a very long time and have dabbled in a couple of areas. The novelty is quite intriguing and who knows what may result was my thinking?

My first project was to replicate the "Bedini Simple School-girl Motor" which was a success. It took some doing, a few transistors, a couple diodes, some magnets, a vcr head (for the smooth bearing operation), acrylic, self-made bifilar coils and a couple 12 volt batteries. In the end I produced more than I was putting in with the run-battery charging the charge battery and an LED. The working principle was (I am no expert, just followed instructions) called "back EMF" and I believe the theory is that if the electron flow of a wire is subjected to a magnetic force (i.e. the magnet approaching and passing the energized magnetic coil) the emf could momentarily interrupt the flow of electrons in the circuit causing an "imbalance" that the aether would replace to maintain the proper flow. Thus you were extracting power from the vacuum in an effort to maintain balance in a circuit. I know when it was done correctly the whole circuit "sang" in resonance. That was what I aimed for; the transistor to sing because it appeared to be required and when it did that motor would fly! I measured it with a visual tach-measuring device and I easily obtained 12,000 rpms and approached 14,000 at times. Funny thing was the more speed wasn't synonymous with output power, there was a sweet-spot that had to be found so a potentiometer is employed to dial in the best output. My first unit was shaky at best (first run threw the magnets at about 8,000 revies, I was lucky in that I hit a hole or else it would have been me that needed patching instead of my drywall) so it was dismantled with improving the structure in a permanent way and as anyone can relate life got busy, in the way and I haven't gotten back.

The main reason I didn't get back was because I made an HHO generator and installed it in my '91 Ford Bronco. Let me just say this - it is a travesty that every car rolling off of the production line doesn't have one. The benefits are enormous and the drawbacks are few to none. But that will be another post cause I've got to go. If anyone is interested in the HHO let me know and I'll write it up. Don't want to waste time if no one is interested, life is busy enough......   

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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2014, 06:34:33 AM »
There might be interest, but most, including myself aren't technologically savvy enough to understand what you are doing by reading this first post.

I do have an interest in a lot of this stuff, as back in the 80's, I visited now-deceased John Lorenzen who showed me his "workshop" which would dwarf most I've seen.  He did a lot with electrolysis and at age 87 when I visited him, he had been off-grid his entire life, living with wind and solar power.  He even built his own wind chargers from stuff he found in the town dump.  He was a real genius.  I did videotape my visit with him and really need to revisit it all.

I'm not sure how subjecting a wire that has electrons flowing through it, to a magnetic force, can interrupt the flow of electrons in that circuit.  It is my understanding that just the flow of electrons itself causes the formation of a magnetic field around that wire.  Stop the flow and the magnetic field collapses.  Does that mean the externally applied magnetic force is larger/greater than the one naturally surrounding the wire?

Is your HHO generator in your '91 Ford Bronco a hydrogen generator?  That is one of the many things that John Lorenzen did.  He showed me his setup to electrolyze water and send the hydrogen directly into the carburetor of his pickup truck.  (He let the oxygen offgas naturally.)  He said that by injecting hydrogen directly into the carburetor, along with plain air, he increased his gas mileage by ?30%  I cannot recall the exact percentage, but IIRC it was about 30% and that's why I need to re-watch the video.

I'd be interested in hearing more.

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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2014, 08:59:11 AM »
The Bedini stuff is a mystery to me too (electrical is not my thing; but I can follow instructions). I believe the theory indicated was from Tom Beardin..........it's been a while and I've definitely slept since then. Interesting stuff that made an indelible mark on my mindset; not the least of which is don't accept things at face-value. It was a tough day when I realized that the "grown-ups" were as lost, if not more so, than us kids at the time. In a world full of experts filled with volume after volume of collected knowledge the "truth" could remain obscure and in fact be obscured by elder academic community. It didn't help that I was raised by two very good parents that could protect us kids from thinking that there were forces in the world that would intentionally hide the truth in order to exploit people for personal gain; thankfully they left that personality trait out while raising us.

The HHO Generator was a very fun project. Not hard at all to do either. It is an "on-demand" system that only generates HHO while the truck is running. Hydrogen has some interesting properties and the system is very safe in spite of the rapid burn-rate of the gas. The system is an excellent compliment to a gasoline engine and everyone is naturally trying to find the way to substitute a water-powered engine for the gasoline one but the hurdle of producing enough gas on-demand has proven too high a mark to achieve. So far.

The generator has SS plates placed 2 - 3 mm apart with alternating + and - They are 4" round with a 5/16" hole in the center and .06" thickness. A long piece of nylon all-thread is used to place them next to one another and nylon washers to insulate the appropriate plates and a SS 5/16 nut used to bridge connect the like-polarity. At each end of the set-up is a positive connection and in the middle is a negative plate. This allowed for 4 pairs of plates on either side of the negative, each set using about 3 volts. The electrolyte can be either acidic or basic but I found that basic produced more gas. The vessel is sealed with the gas-tube leaving the top of the electrolyzing container and entering into a "bubbler". Basically the bubbler was a safety device made from 2" PVC pipe with a "Y" on top. The gas-tube entered the top and was continued, unbroken (like a drinking straw) to the bottom of the 2" pipe (capped on the bottom and filled halfway with water). This forces the hydrogen to be pushed through water and acted as a backfire suppressing device. Should the hydrogen be ignited outside the combustion chamber the bubbler was as far back as it could go leaving the bulk of the H production safely protected from ignition.

The '91 is fuel injected so the HHO was piped directly into the fresh-air intake between the filter and manifold. The ECM had to be dealt with in terms of the MAF and MAP sensors. A plug-in, set-it-and-forget-it unit was purchased for about $90. This is not a step which can be skipped on fuel injected automobiles. In fact if you do you will see an increase in fuel consumption because the ECM thinks the engine is running lean due to the presence of unburned oxygen. As a result the injectors are opened up and more gas is dumped in to compensate for the unburned oxygen.

Now the benefits - if you have owned a vehicle made in the late 80's and into the 90's you will know of the acrid smelling exhaust produced by these cars. It's hard to describe the smell other than it is very distinctive. I always attributed it to the early days of emission control development. Anyway, after a week of HHO operation on the truck - GONE. Not just gone you could put your face in the exhaust-pipe-flow and couldn't smell anything. You sense the humidity, moisture is produced when you burn hydrogen (it returns to H2O when ignited) which brings me to benefit #2 - you literally wash out your engine. Valve deposits and carbon build-up are taken out by the water created during the hydrogen's burn.

The overall operation of the engine seems much smoother. Other then the damn idler pulley (a Ford curse to be sure) squeaking the 140,000 mile engine has settled down and purrs like a kitten. I'm heavy on the foot and there is a definite uptick in the response. So I'm guessing the $64,000 question is gas mileage improvement right? Well depending solely on the behavior of the person-behind-the-wheel the best I've seen thus far is a modest 20% increase in fuel efficiency. That's a game-changer and speaks volumes about the irresponsible nature of the fossil-fuel industry and companies that utilize the resource in their product. It sort of illustrates the evil nature behind some things. Like the banking crisis and the bailout we provided. Why didn't we hand the money to Americans that were out of work and couldn't make their house payments so they could do what with it? That's right.........they'd have paid their mortgage and the bank would have gotten it anyway. It's not like people behind on their house payments would have blown it all on hats or bought that Pez collection they've been dreaming about since childhood or keep it hidden in off-shore accounts to avoid taxes. Even if they did avoid the bank at least it would have gone into the real economy; spent locally and in the U.S. Instead we, the ones who got the bill, were skipped in the benefit of the money in its entirety and given the bill in total. That's not only very stupid of us but illustrates the evil intentions of the elite. That is a different thread entirely but illustrates the our collective stupidity, TPTB's willingness to do us harm and the benefits all around from this simple addition to something that does have an enormous impact now and will have tomorrow as well.

I have heard the argument made that it isn't safe.........remember the Hindenburg? Oh the humanity! To this I simply say - not even the same sport, arena or hell, even town. First of all the volume of H in a generator to the vehicle it is helping power on a ratio-basis vs. the Zeppelin is not even close to the probable plus/minus error margin much less the real number (it is probably statistically insignificant). Not to mention the fact that hydrogen shares a characteristic with only one other gas, helium, in that the gravity of our planet is unable to hold it within our atmosphere. This makes it a tricky gas to contain in the first place but also gives it the unique ability to leave the area immediately once released. Unlike, for example, propane which is heavier than our local atmosphere and will have a tendency to fall to the ground and "pool" if the region is contained without fresh air to force it out. So it will hangout, with other propane molecules and wait for an ignition source. Hydrogen is long gone, zooming at a 40 mph pace out into space once liberated from its tank and remember we're not even storing any volume; we consume what we produce within moments of production.

So fire away with any questions you may have I'm sure I missed a bunch......       
 

 

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