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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2012, 10:36:53 PM »
At least 184 people were killed today in Syria and Lebanon.
I'd venture to say most were civilians in the line of fire, shelled by government troops.
Some were rebels (Free Syria Army) and a few were Syrian Government military.
The UN has been in there feeding people and providing medical supplies
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What you need to know about Syria today
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 10:27 PM EDT, Wed August 22, 2012

U.N. humanitarian chief is "extremely concerned" about "brutal and violent" conflict
184 people have been killed Wednesday, an opposition group says
In her final footage, a journalist described bombings and indiscriminate shooting
(CNN) -- The carnage from Syria's civil war continues to mount, with 184 people killed Wednesday, 100 of them in Damascus and its suburbs, according to the opposition Local Coordination Committees of Syria.
Here are the latest key developments in the spiraling conflict:
Diplomatic front: U.N.'s humanitarian chief "extremely concerned"
The humanitarian situation in Syria has gotten worse, U.N. humanitarian chief Valerie Amos said Wednesday.

Amos said she is "extremely concerned that all parties of the conflict are failing to comply with international humanitarian law, which sets out clear rules on the protection of civilians. This conflict has taken on a particularly brutal and violent character."
The Syrian government estimates that 1.2 million people are sheltering in public buildings, and "many more are staying with relatives and friends," Amos said. "Both those who have fled and their hosts have urgent humanitarian needs due to the widening impact of the crisis on the economy and on people's livelihoods."
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime has said it will let aid groups already in the country expand their operations but won't allow new aid to enter.
The government is worried the aid would get into the hands of "armed groups and terrorists," a phrase it has used to describe those seeking al-Assad's ouster.
The flow of aid has hardly kept up with the pace of violence as scores of people are killed each day and medics resort to makeshift clinics and crude supplies to treat the wounded.
The United Nations and its partners are reaching more people each month with food and emergency aid, Amos said. "Last month, more than 820,000 people were fed," and in the first two weeks of August, basic necessities such as hygiene kits and blankets were distributed to more than 60,000 people.
On the ground: the bulk of Wednesday's killings occurred near the capital
Nearly half of the 100 people reported killed Wednesday in the capital or its suburbs were killed in Al-qaboun, a neighborhood northeast of Damascus. A spokesman for the opposition Local Coordination Committees told CNN via Skype that pro-regime militias -- called Shabiha -- fired rocket-propelled grenades and machine guns randomly into houses.
By the time they had withdrawn, 46 bodies were laying on the streets, said Omar Al-qabouni, the spokesman.
He added that about 15 of the victims had been arrested in previous days, the rest had been seized earlier Wednesday from their houses. "The bodies bear visible signs of bullets and stabbing wounds," Al-qabouni.
The neighborhood is an opposition stronghold that has witnessed anti-regime protests since shortly after the civil war began in March 2011, and from which 70% of the residents have already fled, he said.
"The regime is trying to empty the neighborhood from its people so it can secure it," he said.
Lena Al-Shami, an opposition activist in Damascus, told CNN via Skype that the regime's campaign against rebel strongholds also includes the Damascus neighborhoods of Kafr Susah, where two dozen people were executed Wednesday, and Nahr Aisha, where another nine were killed.
Al-shami said shelling from government artillery and tanks represented a "revenge campaign" against residents for having sheltered opposition fighters and activists.
The activist accounts matched those of other activist networks inside and outside Syria. Amateur videos and photographs posted on the Internet backed up their accounts, showing the bodies of men in what the video said was the Al-qaboun neighborhood. CNN cannot independently verify the authenticity of the footage.
In the town of Ariha, in Idlib province, fierce clashes broke out Wednesday between rebels and Syrian troops, according to the LCC.
Syria, on state TV, said authorities clashed with "terrorists" in Hama suburbs, killed some and arrested many others.
State-run news agency SANA said Syrian forces were "severely hitting the mercenary terrorists in a number of neighborhoods in the city of Aleppo."
Before she was killed in a gun battle in Aleppo, Japanese journalist Mika Yamamoto spent her final moments filming in the besieged city. Her colleagues released her final footage Wednesday.
"They are shooting indiscriminately; they are dropping bombs onto the town from bombers onto people, running about one after the other, without discrimination," Yamamoto says in the video, shot Monday.
After a single gunshot is heard, the footage ends.

Fighting was under way Wednesday between Syrian forces and the rebel Free Syrian Army near the Iraqi border, in the Albu Kamal area, according to Iraqi army officers at the border.
Rebels overtook some Syrian military posts in the area, but regime forces were working to regain control of the area, the officers said.
Late Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, Iraqi security officers heard explosions that they identified as fire from tanks and heavy artillery used by Syrian military forces.
The Free Syrian Army handed over to Iraqi authorities for treatment 25 casualties, including children and women, said Mahmoud Abu al-Taeib, deputy head of a refugee center in al-Qaim at the Iraqi border.
The Iraqi army was on alert, he said.
Nearly 4,000 Syrian refugees have crossed the border from Albu Kamal alone.
The president's inner circle: Al-Assad's resignation can't be a condition for dialogue
If the West continues to insist on al-Assad's resignation, there is zero chance he'll negotiate with rebels, according to Syria's deputy prime minister.
Requiring the resignation "as a condition before dialogue means that there will be no dialogue," Qadri Jamil said Tuesday, according to Russia's state-run RIA Novosti news agency. "If this issue is being imposed on us from abroad, it is a very dangerous precedent in international relations."
But the odds of a meaningful dialogue between the regime and rebels appear slim to begin with.
The government has said it will offer amnesty to rebels who lay down their arms, but rebels say they can't let the regime's attacks continue without defending themselves and fighting back.

The region: Fierce clashes ease in neighboring Tripoli, Lebanon
Sniper fire broke out Wednesday in two dueling neighborhoods in Tripoli: one dominated by Alawite Muslims, the other by Sunni Muslims.
The Syrian civil war has aggravated decades-old quarrels between the Jabal Mohsen and Bab al Tabaneh neighborhoods, and factions supporting and opposing the uprising in Syria.
Gun battles in Tripoli this week left seven people dead and dozens injured, Lebanese state-run media reported.
The strife between Alawites and Sunnis in Tripoli mirrors the conflict in Syria, where al-Assad's regime is dominated by minority Alawites and the opposition is composed largely of Sunnis.
Syrian troops were deployed in Lebanon between 1976 and 2005, primarily in the north. They were initially called in to help stop a brewing civil war but maintained a significant presence -- which once numbered 40,000 -- long afterward.
In a country struggling to maintain a balance among its religious and ethnic sects, resentment from the occupation lingers.
Some Sunni Muslims staunchly oppose al-Assad and sympathize with the Sunni-led uprising in Syria that is calling for his ouster. Support for al-Assad is also plentiful, particularly in the south.
CNN trip to get into -- and out of -- Aleppo
Syria's neighbors: What's at stake?
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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2012, 09:18:29 AM »
At least a hundred people have been slaughtered by the official Syrian Army since my last post.
Among the dead are (Free Syria Army) and some towns connected with them, and innocent bystanders women kids...

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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2012, 07:40:37 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/31/world/meast/syria-civil-war/index.html?hpt=wo_c2

Syria today: Clashes in Aleppo, Homs, Daraa
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http://www.voanews.com/content/syrian-rebels-attack-aleppo-security-compounds/1499128.html

Photo: Free Syrian Army fighters run for cover after Syrian forces fired a mortar in the El Amreeyeh neighborhood of Syria's northwestern city of Aleppo August 30, 2012.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/human-rights-watch/syria-government-attackin_b_1843391.html

Human Rights WatchDefending human rights world wide

Syria: Government Attacking Bread Lines Posted: 08/30/2012 12:17 pm
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http://descrier.co.uk/world/2012/08/syria-government-attacking-bread-lines/   Descrier UK

Syria: Government Attacking Bread Lines

PHOTO:  A father carries his wounded daughter to get medical help in Aleppo, Syria. Photograph via @NMSyria     (Government forces shelled bakeries which were distributing food in Alepo.)

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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2012, 11:51:48 PM »
I just saw this photo. It was taken in Benghazi, Libya, town where four personnel were killed including Ambassador to Libya J. Christopher Stevens. The US Embassy was wrecked.
This was a rally of locals to condemn the attack on Americans there.
The sign says: "Sorry American people. This is not the behavior of our Islam and Profit."
(Profit-Prophet.)

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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2012, 04:49:11 AM »
Images are better than words! He might be sincere with his apology, we seem to turn the other cheek with this religion quite often, but the other thing I notice are which fingers are held upright! My cheeks are getting bruised. They, Muslims, Proclaim it to be the religion of peace. Look all over this planet, I don't think so!  Sorry!  Bill     

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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2012, 06:41:54 AM »
Images are better than words! He might be sincere with his apology, we seem to turn the other cheek with this religion quite often, but the other thing I notice are which fingers are held upright! My cheeks are getting bruised. They, Muslims, Proclaim it to be the religion of peace. Look all over this planet, I don't think so!  Sorry!  Bill   

That's OK Bill, to feel that way and quite natural...
I also am very very discouraged this morning after turning on the news.
The demonstrations seem way out of proportion to the fact some bozo made a very distasteful and insulting film (in a deliberate attempt to stir up trouble, he admitted.)
I mean the film was not released by the US government, after all. It is what it is.
Unless we become completely isolationist we will need to have diplomacy and we will need to have Embassies so it will be an ongoing process for years to come. It is still possible things will settle down...
We should try to keep some good thoughts, still.
Blessings,
Barb Townsend

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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2012, 06:48:09 AM »
Perhaps it doesn't matter much, if anyone has any faith in the Arab Spring or not...
yet there is still hope...
If the earth changes kick in like we feel they might, there won't be much time or energy to pay attention to the
other side of the planet and we won't know what is happening anyway because we will be cut off...
All we can do is have some good thoughts and some prayers for humanity as a whole, all of us...Each culture
has something valuable which could be carried forward...That's my feeling.
Peace Out,
Barb Townsend
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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2012, 07:40:53 AM »
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_21530556/libyan-americans-express-rage-over-u-s-ambassadors

Libyan-Americans express "rage" over U.S. ambassador's death

By Brenda Gazzar, SGVN
twitter.com/bgazzar
Posted:   09/12/2012 08:51:04 PM PDT
Updated:   09/12/2012 09:04:17 PM PDT

Libyan-Americans and other Arabs across the Southland expressed anger and dismay over an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens and three of his staff members on the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

The assault was initially blamed on an anti-Islamic YouTube video by a little-known filmmaker rather than the 9/11 anniversary. However, Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Pasadena, said Wednesday that officials are trying to determine whether it "was a pre-planned attack, whether there was prior planning but it took advantage of a spontaneous protest, or whether it was unplanned savagery."  [Continues ] 

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_21530556/libyan-americans-express-rage-over-u-s-ambassadors 

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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2012, 07:46:04 AM »
Article,
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_21530556/libyan-americans-express-rage-over-u-s-ambassadors

PHOTO Mahmud, left, and Mohamed Gibani, two brothers run the family business Al Jibani Halal Market in Diamond Bar on Wednesday, Sept. 12, 2012. The brothers are angered and frustrated by Tuesday's attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya that left four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya, dead. (SGVN/Staff photo by Watchara Phomicinda

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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2012, 05:35:09 PM »
Update Regarding the person who made the  Innocence of Muslims film which has helped to stir up so much trouble, suffering and death: Hearing it on Outfront, on CNN the filmmaker definitely is not an Israeli nor is he a Jew.
He is being described now as a Coptic Christian and an Egyptian
who fellow church members describe as "shady."
As Planetxseeker stated and I agree, a lot of what is behind all the attacks and demonstrations is the fact the #2 Al Queda boss was taken out in a drone strike recently.
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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2012, 08:23:52 AM »

The Muslim Brotherhood made it clear to people in Libya there will be no protests allowed
near the American Embassy in fact the demonstration is confined to Tahrir Square.

Yesterday when protests went near the Embassy the leader of Yemen apologized to the U.S. and beefed up security and pushed the protesters back.

Source: CNN News

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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2012, 08:25:39 AM »
As I just posted in the MIDDLE EAST WAR Topic:
New Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi cracked down on protesters, getting them away from Embassy,
150 arrests. All gone out of Tahrir Square. UN Compound in the Sinai on Israeli border also protected.
Another AM story, below. - Yowbarb

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Yesterday Pres. Obama and Secretary of State Clinton told the Arab world to protect our embassies or we will. Battleships in the Gulf and boots are on the ground. - Yowbarb
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/14/world/meast/embassy-attacks-main/?iref=obinsite

Clinton demands Arab Spring nations protect embassies, halt violence
By Joe Sterling and Greg Botelho, CNN
updated 3:26 AM EDT, Sat September 15, 2012

(CNN) -- As anti-American furor raged in the home of the Arab Spring, the top U.S. diplomat on Friday sternly warned countries where the unrest has been most pronounced: Stop the violence and seek justice against those attacking diplomatic missions, or else the United States will.
From Morocco to Malaysia, thousands of Muslims have taken to the streets in recent days.
Many have fumed over what Secretary of State Hillary Clinton described Friday as an "awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with" -- an inflammatory anti-Islam film posted online this summer and publicized in recent days.
The 14-minute film trailer, which was privately produced in the United States led by a man federal officials identified as Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, mocks the Prophet Mohammed as a womanizer, child molester and ruthless killer.
Protester haven't all been violent, and they represent a fraction of their respective nations' populations: In Egypt, a nation of more than 80 million people, a few thousand have clashed with security forces outside the U.S. embassy in Cairo. ......[Continues ]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/14/world/meast/embassy-attacks-main/?iref=obinsite
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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2012, 08:27:04 AM »
By the way it's not easy to be the newly elected President of Egypt and he needs a lot of
protection too.
I wish him well.
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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2012, 08:47:14 AM »
Last post of the day on this:

"CHRIS STEVENS WAS A FRIEND TO ALL LIBYANS, signs supporting  the Embassy and honoring Stevens and against the terrorism were all over the area...

Please let there be peace...may we not give up on peace.

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Re: The Arab Spring: Let's hope there is hope for democracy
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2012, 08:30:22 AM »
Sadly, all the anger whipped up by extremists and stupid actions of people like the man who made the film, and all those who have promoted it here...and thanks to the human tendency to jump to the wrong conclusion, and to let anger and ignorance prevail...the whole concept of an actual Arab Spring now seems really remote.
All this has really set back any hope for that.

 

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