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Re: War with Iran (WWIII?)
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2012, 02:04:11 PM »

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Re: War with Iran (WWIII?)
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2012, 07:59:21 AM »
I heard a story on the news while packing lunches t his AM.
Two tourists believed to be
American women were kidnapped by "Bedoins" in southern Sinai.
supposedly as part of putting pressure on the US  (or Egypt.) Pressure to release some people from their tribe who were detained.
Kidnapping has been going on for awhile. Recently it  was a large group of Chinese workers in the Middle East - released two days later.
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Re: War with Iran (WWIII?)
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2012, 02:35:16 PM »
http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=256376
I think the question would be, If Israel bombs the Iranian nuclear facilities would it be the start of World War III? Or would it just be a long delay on Iran getting a nuke?
I also think that Iran would try and retaliate against Israel and also the United States. And I also think that if Israel bombs Iran it is against what the US wants. So an Iranian retaliation against the US would be dealt with harshly by the US. But I still wonder would it turn into WWIII?

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Re: War with Iran (WWIII?)
« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2012, 10:31:59 AM »
Bill, make no mistake, if someone "blinks" over there it is green-light WWIII.  Doesn't even matter who.  Russia and China are against us on this and will side with Iran.  It will be the US, Israel and Europe vs:  Russia, China, Middle East and everyone else.  All it will take is one incident and the powder keg gets lit.  I keep my eye on this but I really don't think it will happen.  If it does then everything we talk about in here will be gone.  I, personally, think we have friends that won't allow this to go down.  Cheer up!  JKB
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Re: War with Iran (WWIII?)
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2012, 12:27:46 PM »
The two female hostages were released after about one day... that's good...
Story link to follow.
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Re: War with Iran (WWIII?)
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2012, 11:53:52 PM »
CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/03/world/egypt-kidnapping/index.html?iref=allsearch

2 kidnapped Americans released in Egypt, authorities say
 
From Mohamed Fadel Fahmy and Ivan Watson, CNN
updated 11:18 AM EST, Fri February 3, 2012

(CNN) -- Two American tourists who were kidnapped in the southern part of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula were freed Friday, a security official said.
 
They had been abducted by unknown Bedouins, said Gen. Mohamed Naguib, head of security in the region.
 
The kidnappers had demanded that some detainees be released and retried, but it is unclear if these calls were met.
 
Earlier Friday, the country's tourism minister said on Al Hayat Egyptian TV that authorities had located the kidnappers and were negotiating with them.
 
The abductions came several days after kidnappers held a larger group for a day.
 
Twenty-four Chinese workers and a translator were kidnapped by Bedouins while on their way to a military-owned cement factory on Tuesday, the state-run Xinhua news agency of China reported.
 
A group of armed Bedouins had blocked the road on which they were traveling. They wanted the Egyptian government to release prisoners. The hostages were released after a day, the news agency said, after Egyptian authorities intervened.
 
Kidnappings and daylight armed robberies have become increasingly common in the turbulent year since Egypt's long-ruling dictator Hosni Mubarak was overthrown.
 
In particular, wealthy Egyptians have been targeted by hostage-takers demanding ransom.
 
"Two of our family members, Ismail, (age) 13 and Sara, 8, were kidnapped yesterday. Right after they got out of their house ... on their way to school," said Mamdouh Eid, an executive in a construction company and the executive director of the Fan's Committee for the popular Egyptian soccer team Al Ahly.
 
Eid revealed news of the kidnapping of his family, during an interview with CNN about the rampage in a Port Said football stadium that left at least 79 people dead. Hours after he survived the deadly incident, Eid said he learned of the kidnapping of his two child cousins.
 
"Thankfully, we got them back last night," he said. He declined to explain how the children were returned to their parents.
 
"Its scary. We don't know what we're heading to and if it will ever be the same again."

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Re: War with Iran (WWIII?)
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2012, 12:54:34 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/25/world/africa/somalia-aid-workers/index.html?iref=allsearch

U.S. special forces rescue Somalia aid workers

From Chris Lawrence, CNN
 
updated 9:58 PM EST, Thu January 26, 2012

Washington (CNN) -- U.S. Special Forces parachuted overnight into Somalia from fixed-wing planes, then advanced on foot to a compound holding two kidnapped international aid workers and freed them, U.S. officials said Wednesday.
 
The nine gunmen holding the hostages -- an American and a Dane -- were killed, the officials said.
 
Jessica Buchanan, 32, and Poul Thisted, 60, had been held since October 25, when they were abducted in Galkayo, central Somalia, after they visited humanitarian projects, said the Danish Refugee Council, the agency for which they worked.
 
Neither was harmed, the aid group said.
 
They were taken to a regional medical facility, Pentagon spokesman George Little said Wednesday.
 
"They are not hospitalized," said Andreas Kamm, secretary-general of the Danish Refugee Council, so "we take it as a sign that they're OK."
 
The pair phoned their families from the African nation of Djibouti after the rescue, said Ann Mary Olsen of the Danish Refugee Council, according to Danish TV2 reporter Thorkild Dahl.
 
The Navy SEAL unit that killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden last year in Pakistan participated in the mission, a U.S. official said, without specifying whether any of the same individuals were on both assaults.
 
Pentagon spokesman Little said the rescue team included special operations troops from different branches of the military but would not specify which branches.
 
Kenya praises aid worker rescue
The SEALs are part of the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, formerly known as SEAL Team Six.
 
The special forces troops took fire as they fought their way into a compound where the hostages were held, the official said, adding the troops believed that the kidnappers were shooting. The official is not authorized to speak to the media and asked not to be named.
 
Nine gunmen were killed in the strike, Little said, adding that they had explosives nearby. There were no known survivors among the kidnappers, he added.
 
The American assault team did not suffer any casualties, the Pentagon said.
 
The special forces took the hostages from the compound and onto waiting helicopters, the U.S. official said.
 
The United States was in close contact with Denmark before, during and after the raid, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said.
 
White House spokesman Jay Carney, traveling Wednesday with President Barack Obama to Iowa, said the commander-in-chief learned of the success of the mission at 6:43 p.m. Tuesday, more than two hours before he delivered the State of the Union address.
 
"The decision to go ahead with this rescue mission was made because there was information concerning the deteriorating health of Ms. Buchanan, as well as a window of opportunity to execute this mission," Carney said.
 
Obama, who had given the go-ahead at 9 p.m. Monday, was updated on its progress throughout Tuesday, Carney said.
 
Minutes after concluding his speech, at 10:32 p.m., the president telephoned Buchanan's father to inform him of the mission's success, Carney said.
 
The United States will not tolerate the abduction of our people, and will spare no effort to secure the safety of our citizens and to bring their captors to justice
Barack Obama, U.S. President
 
John Buchanan told CNN he was "flabbergasted" when Obama called up out of the blue.
 
"He said, 'John, this is Barack Obama. I'm calling because I have great news for you. Your daughter has been rescued by our military.'
 
"Then he referred to his daughters, obviously had a human element there. Then he said something to the effect of, 'People just can't do this to our citizens, especially young people who are trying to help others.'"
 
"I'm extremely proud and glad to be an American," Buchanan said. "I didn't know this was going to transpire. I'm glad it did."
 
He said Jessica was "doing well, under the circumstances."
 
Buchanan said he planned to fly Thursday to meet his daughter, but he could not say where that would take place.
 
At his State of the Union address, before news broke of the rescue, Obama told Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, "Leon, good job tonight. Good job tonight."
 
The hostages were safe at that point, but the mission was not yet complete as the American assault team had not departed Somalia, Little said.
 
In a statement, Obama thanked the special operations forces for their "extraordinary courage and capabilities."
 
"The United States will not tolerate the abduction of our people, and will spare no effort to secure the safety of our citizens and to bring their captors to justice," Obama said. "This is yet another message to the world that the United States of America will stand strongly against any threats to our people."
 
Panetta monitored the rescue from the White House, Little said.
 
In a statement, Panetta called the raid "a testament to the superb skills of courageous service members who risked their lives to save others."
 
Speaking on ABC's "Good Morning America," Vice President Joe Biden said of the special forces: "It just takes your breath away, their capacity and their bravery and their incredible timing."
 
Capt. John Kirby, another Pentagon spokesman, said the abductors were ordinary criminals.
 
"They were kidnappers. We don't have any indication that they were connected to any terrorist group or ideological group at that point," he said.
 
"They were not Al-Shabaab," Little said, referring to the al Qaeda-linked Islamist militia that holds sway over parts of Somalia.
 
We would really like to see more concerted international effort in dealing with issues of international terrorism
Raila Odinga, Kenyan Prime Minister

He said the sense of urgency with regard to the hostage situation had increased from mid-January.
 
"It's safe to say that within the last week or so, we were able to connect enough dots that we could make the decisions that were made," Kirby said, referring to the intelligence U.S. officials had to go on.
 
The area where the hostages were seized is known as a hub for pirates, rather than an area of Islamic militant activity.
 
A number of high-profile abductions of foreigners have occurred in Somalia and in Kenya, close to the largely lawless Somali border.
 
Some of the kidnappings have been blamed on Al-Shabaab, while criminals seeking ransoms seem to have carried out others.
 
In an exclusive interview with CNN, Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga congratulated the United States on the rescue and said he supported further U.S. and NATO action on the ground in Somalia.
 
"We would really like to see more concerted international effort in dealing with issues of international terrorism," he said.
 
"This action will send a very clearly signal to the Al-Shabaab that it doesn't matter how long they hold (their) hostages, the international community will continue to keep them on the radar."
 
Kenya sent troops over the border into Somalia in October to take on Al-Shabaab in response to abductions of aid workers and tourists.
 
The U.S. raid comes nearly three years after Navy snipers killed three pirates who had taken hostage the captain of the Maersk Alabama off Somalia.
 
U.S. forces did not coordinate the raid with local officials, but residents welcomed the outcome as a warning to other groups to cease the kidnapping of foreigners, said Abdirahman Mohamud Farole, president of Puntland, a semiautonomous region of Somalia.
 
Thisted, the rescued Dane, is a senior aid worker, said Olsen of the Danish Refugee Council.
 
Local authorities gave conflicting casualty figures after the raid. Some officials said seven gunmen were killed, but Mohamed Ahmed Aalin, president of Galmudug state, said nine were killed and five others detained by U.S. forces.
 
The aid workers were part of the Danish Refugee Council's de-mining unit, which aims to make civilians safe from landmines and unexploded ordnance.
 
"We have been congratulated from all corners of the Somali society, and we have been told of celebrations in the the capital Mogadishu, in Galkayo and in the streets of Adado, where the local community has worked very hard to help Poul and Jessica," Olsen said. "Their efforts have not been wasted."
 
Buchanan has been employed as a regional education adviser with the mine clearance unit of DRC since May; Thisted, a community safety manager with the de-mining unit, has been working in Somaliland and Somalia since June 2009.
 
CNN's Richard Allen Greene, Elizabeth Mayo, Brian Walker, Mariano Castillo, Brian Todd, Larry Shaughnessy, Becky Anderson and Tim Lister, and journalist Mohamed Amiin Adow contributed to this report.

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Re: War with Iran (WWIII?)
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2012, 07:10:31 AM »
Bill, make no mistake, if someone "blinks" over there it is green-light WWIII.  Doesn't even matter who.  Russia and China are against us on this and will side with Iran.  It will be the US, Israel and Europe vs:  Russia, China, Middle East and everyone else.  All it will take is one incident and the powder keg gets lit.  I keep my eye on this but I really don't think it will happen.  If it does then everything we talk about in here will be gone.  I, personally, think we have friends that won't allow this to go down.  Cheer up!  JKB

JKB, Thanks for your knowledgeable and somewhat reassuring input.  One less thing for me to worry about this week, I've put it on the back burner for now...

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Re: War with Iran (WWIII?)
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2012, 03:25:58 PM »
Is Israel on the verge of taking out Irans nuke sites? With the public warnings from Washington for Israel not to do it , then you see this and makes me think the pieces are getting put in place.  http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4191897,00.html


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Re: War with Iran (WWIII?)
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2012, 03:40:56 PM »
Congress is discussing a vote to go to war with Iran. Not sure how popular it is yet.
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