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Re: Find Your Survival Place: Land ads, misc postings
« Reply #345 on: May 30, 2019, 09:24:21 AM »
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OK, but conditions during the pole crust shift, and the climate afterwards, have not been considered.  For those reasons, the states of Montana and Arizona are the only good alternatives.  I personally picked south-east Montana as the best survival location in North America, and specifically in the hills in or adjacent to the Custer National Forest near to the small town of Ekalaka.

A really good property with a creek was for sale there a few years ago but was not available when I checked a few months ago.

Hi Jimfarmer, probably very true, the listed states on the site did not figure in coming any possible pole shift and climate changes etc.
Hopefully some land ads will come up in that area you mentioned...
- Barb T.

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« Reply #346 on: May 30, 2019, 01:32:43 PM »
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Hi Jimfarmer, probably very true, the listed states on the site did not figure in coming any possible pole shift and climate changes etc.
Hopefully some land ads will come up in that area you mentioned...
- Barb T.

* Ekalaka, MT, Custer Natl Forest, Black Hills Nat.l Forest.jpg (116.47 kB, 670x562 - viewed 2 times.)

Custer National Forest has multiple separate sections.  There is a section of it just a few miles east of Ekalaka.

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« Reply #347 on: May 31, 2019, 10:36:30 AM »
Trying to get my bearings in map shown in post #345.  There are two towns named Buffalo, and there is a Rapid City.  Maybe the Buffalo in lower left is in south east Montana, and the one in upper right in one of the Dakotas, and the Rapid City in South Dakota?  The state boundary lines are faint.

The area sounds very inviting, as I've looked at the area in Montana around Kalispel and that is very beautiful.  Maybe all of MT is beautiful.  Even the town called "Recluse" sounds inviting!

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« Reply #348 on: May 31, 2019, 10:19:52 PM »
Trying to get my bearings in map shown in post #345.  There are two towns named Buffalo, and there is a Rapid City.  Maybe the Buffalo in lower left is in south east Montana, and the one in upper right in one of the Dakotas, and the Rapid City in South Dakota?  The state boundary lines are faint.

The area sounds very inviting, as I've looked at the area in Montana around Kalispel and that is very beautiful.  Maybe all of MT is beautiful.  Even the town called "Recluse" sounds inviting!

Attachment Ekalaka_Hills_and Custer_National_Forest.jpg

The western third of Montana, the mountainous part, is currently having many earthquakes.  I don't remember seeing any in the central or eastern thirds of the state.  The western part is in the "Deformed Craton" geologic region, and the rest of the state is on the North American Craton.


Ref. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurentia

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« Reply #349 on: May 31, 2019, 11:17:06 PM »
You might also like Miles City, Montana.

Miles City and Baker, MT, have the Walmart stores nearest to Ekalaka.  Both are on Interstate 94.

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« Reply #350 on: June 01, 2019, 07:07:18 PM »
Thanks for that geology lesson, Jim.   Now I want to visit my friend in Kalispell, but on the way there check out some of central and eastern MT.   Hmmm, wonder if she knows of the "Deformed Craton"...

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« Reply #351 on: June 12, 2019, 01:21:01 PM »
Realizing now from R.R. and Jim's postings we cannot totally count on the stable interior zone the North American Craton. Anyway here is a link to the original topic and some images for comparison...

https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,287.msg48143.html#msg48143

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« Reply #352 on: June 12, 2019, 01:23:22 PM »
You might also like Miles City, Montana.

Miles City and Baker, MT, have the Walmart stores nearest to Ekalaka.  Both are on Interstate 94.

Jimfarmer, thanks for useful data, keep on keepin' on with the great posts.
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« Reply #353 on: June 12, 2019, 01:58:31 PM »
You might also like Miles City, Montana.

Miles City and Baker, MT, have the Walmart stores nearest to Ekalaka.  Both are on Interstate 94.

https://www.landwatch.com/Montana_land_for_sale/Miles_City  154 listings. Here is one:

Miles City, Custer County, Custer Country, MT Land For Sale - 20.09 Acres

Land
Parcel Size:          20.09 Acres
Price:                  $39,900
MLS or other ID:  6952271
Agent Jason Marscati

Acreage Bordering BLM Land and situated at the end of the road. Located in a peaceful setting with abundant game animals, this 20 acre parcel is available with an adjoining 20 acre parcel if you want 40 acres. With both pieces backing up to public land and power on the neighboring property, this property can be year round or seasonal. Terrain offers a mix of tree coverage, open grasslands with some rolling topography. Located about 33 miles southwest of Miles City.  Property type:

MLS or other ID:  6952271

Copyright 2019 Big Sky Country MLS. All rights reserved. All information provided by the listing agent/broker is deemed reliable but is not guaranteed and should be independently verified.

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« Reply #354 on: June 12, 2019, 02:16:54 PM »
So, make sure your location near Miles City is not in any danger from the dam. If a person was traveling there to find land in the non-snowy months, this would be a good campground, as he said probably no washing water provided, site says drinking fountain, (bring your own water.) Outhouses, spacious spread out, nice camp. Free.
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VanLife Miles City, Montana 12 Mile Dam Campground   10:18

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Found a nice camp in Miles City.  My name is Brian.  I live on the road full time in my self built camper van. Join me on my adventures.  In this video I leave Billings Montana and head towards Miles City, Montana to find a camp.  I check out 12 Mile Dam Recreation Area and it turns out to be a beautiful camp.  Thanks for watching.
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Montana / Miles City
Twelve Mile Dam
 This is a FREE campsite. Address Grenz Drive Miles City, Montana
GPS: 46.24701, -105.750487  Elevation: 2441'
Get Directions  https://www.google.com/maps?daddr=46.24701,-105.750487
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Public - Fish and Wildlife Service (Official)
406-234-0900   
The road in is Gravel and 400 feet miles from a paved road. Twelve Mile Dam is open All Year. There are 6-15 campsites at this location and the maximum RV length is 45 feet. You may stay 7 days at Twelve Mile Dam.
Amenities:  Boat Ramp
Picnic Tables, Restrooms
Activities:      Boating, Fishing, Hiking, Hunting, Wildlife Viewing,
Submitted by Anonymous. Last update: Mar 19, 2016
Twelve Mile Dam is a state fishing access site on the Tongue River of southeast Montana. There is a campground with tent and trailer sites. Facilities are limited to restrooms, no drinking water is available. Handicapped accessible fishing pier. A boat ramp is provided. 7 day stay limit.

Limited access for trailers and RV's, tight corner on entrance road.

Directions
12 miles south of Miles City on Hwy 59, 1 mile SW of Tongue River Road (Hwy 332)

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« Reply #357 on: June 23, 2019, 05:36:34 PM »
https://www.landsofamerica.com/Cumberland-Gap-TN/all-land/

https://www.landandfarm.com/search/Undeveloped-Land-for-sale/
Were you looking at that 17,000 acres for just under $20 million?   LOL  The other one really does sound interesting--80 acres in Lander County.

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« Reply #358 on: June 23, 2019, 05:42:02 PM »
https://www.landsofamerica.com/Cumberland-Gap-TN/all-land/

https://www.landandfarm.com/search/Undeveloped-Land-for-sale/
Were you looking at that 17,000 acres for just under $20 million?   LOL  The other one really does sound interesting--80 acres in Lander County.

ilinda, oh yeah, was really interested in the 20 million dollar one.  ;D
Let me just get out my checkbook, hahahahaha 

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« Reply #359 on: June 23, 2019, 06:27:20 PM »
What does it mean when land is unrestricted?
Generally speaking unrestricted means that you generally do not have to deal with a lot of building inspections or building code rules. However, in some locations unrestricted applies to existing buildings not new buildings.Jul 28, 2009
Unrestriced Land Zoning - Mortgage News Daily
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https://www.landcentury.com/articles-news/unrestricted-land-definition

Unrestricted Land - What Does It Really Mean?

Unrestricted land usually means that the land doesn't come with the same restrictions homeowner's associations impose, like home size, color or style. You may be able to place a mobile home or a tiny home on the property. There may not be any restrictions on animals either.

But there are other things that need to be considered before buying land labeled as "unrestricted."

What Does Unrestricted Land Mean, Really?

Most people assume that they can build whatever they want and do whatever they want when they have unrestricted land. That's not necessarily true.

There may be:

Deed Restrictions

Deed restrictions may limit the type of structures on the property. In communities, these restrictions may mean that homes have to have the same:

Architectural aesthetics
Roof colors
Fences
Mailbox styles
But even land outside of communities can have deed restrictions that regulate the amount of space between homes, how far back homes can be from the street and even how many cars are parked in the driveway.

Deed restrictions may also mean that the property can only be used for single-family homes. So, if you had plans to start a chicken farm, your dreams may come crashing down if there are deed restrictions.

Easement Restrictions
Easements are usually invisible, but most properties have them. They can include:

Gas lines
Building setback lines
Ariel easements for power lines
Sewer easements
Street easements
Traffic easements
Utility easements
Easements can affect where you place your driveway – or if you can even have a driveway at all.

Zoning Restrictions

Zoning restrictions regulate how properties are used and developed. Most cities have multiple zoning restrictions and designated zone areas for industrial, commercial, multi-family and residential.

If land is advertised as unrestricted but is located in a residential zone, you probably won't be able to build a high-rise apartment building.

Unrestricted Land Definition – What it Really Means
If you come across a piece of property for sale that's labeled "unrestricted," it likely means that you can build any type or color home you want. You probably won't have to bother with architectural requirements or square footage minimums.

You may be able to place a mobile home or a tiny home on the property.

But you'll still need to obtain all of the proper permits and the structure must meet local building codes.

The Dark Side of Unrestricted Land
The idea of unrestricted land sounds great. You can build whatever type of house you want. But it's also important to remember that your neighbors probably have unrestricted land, too.

What if they don't give their home and property the same level of care you give yours?

We've all driven by properties that might as well be junk yards. Multiple cars are rusting away in the yard. There are piles of old tires and other debris everywhere. There may even be multiple RVs or trailers on the property.

Properties like this drive down the value of other properties in the area. And there's nothing the neighbors can do about it.

Inconsiderate neighbors can be a headache and property value drainer, but if you plan to buy several acres, this may not be an issue. If you buy enough land and in the right area, you may never see your neighbor.

Building on Unrestricted Land

Before you even think about building, it's important to make sure that the land is truly unrestricted – and that means checking for deed restrictions.

Even if there is no homeowner's association or community, there may still be deed restrictions. Two neighboring farms could have made a deal 100 years ago, and those restrictions may still be in place today.

Here are some deed restrictions that can ruin your day – and your plans for your dream home.

Bedroom Numbers
Some properties have restrictions that limit the number of bedrooms the home can have. Typically, these restrictions are in place because of the septic or sewer capacity is limited to a house of a certain size.

Pet Restrictions
Think you can have as many animals as you want on your property? Think again. Deed restrictions may limit the type and number of animals you can have on your land.

Some of the most common deed restrictions limit or prohibit livestock, like goats, chickens and pigs. And these restrictions are common outside of HOA-controlled neighborhoods.

Don't think because you buy property outside of a neighborhood that you can open a pig farm. There's a good chance that deed restrictions will prohibit livestock. Most of these restrictions date back hundreds of years, and they're designed to keep livestock out of residential neighborhoods.

Deed restrictions may also prohibit certain breeds of pets, prohibit residents from keeping pets outside and restrict the number of pets that can live on the property.

No Businesses
If you run a business from your home, you may need to find a new location for your operation. Deed restrictions may prevent you from conducting any business in your home.

These restrictions are usually put in place to limit the amount of traffic moving in and out of residential areas.

Adjacent Structures

Deed restrictions may limit external structures, like extra garages, sheds, detached workshops, pools and pool houses.

There may also be restrictions on what percentage of the property can be built.

Tree Removal
It's common for HOA-controlled neighborhoods to have restrictions on tree removals, but these restrictions may also be in place on rural land.

An agreement may have been made years ago between neighbors that limits or prohibits the number of or types of trees that can be removed from the property. That agreement may still be binding.

Vehicle Restrictions
Deed restrictions on motor homes, motorcycles and boats are some of the most common, and they can apply to properties outside of HOA-controlled neighborhoods.

In some cities, non-working cars are prohibited from being stored in front of the property.

Obstructing a Neighbor's View
If there's no neighbor in sight, this restriction may not be a problem. But if you plan to buy a lot in an area with neighboring houses, there may be a deed restriction in place that prohibits you from obstructing your neighbor's view.

While not as common, you'll often find this type of restriction in vacation areas. But even seemingly mundane things, like distant views of the mountains or a nearby lake, may be protected under this type of restriction.

These deed-restricted lots will affect the width and height of your home, which may prevent you from building the home of your dreams.

It's important to remember that not all "unrestricted land" will have deed restrictions. There are many properties that truly are unrestricted. This means that you can build any style home of any type as long as you have the permits and it meets local codes.

The Best Uses of Unrestricted Land
What's the best way to use unrestricted land? That depends on your goals.

Homesteading is a popular option for unrestricted land. When land truly has no restrictions, you can grow your own food, raise livestock and generally live off of the land. You may also live off-grid, using solar power as your main source of power.

You'll need to check the local laws to make sure that you can live off of your land this way.

If you're interested in building a tiny home, unrestricted land is probably your best bet unless you can buy a plot in a tiny home community.

If you're looking to live in a mobile home or RV, unrestricted land allows you to do this. You'll find that most other plots of land, especially in neighborhoods, do not allow you to have a mobile home on the property.
Other great uses for unrestricted land:

Farming (for your family – there may be restrictions on commercial farming in the area).
Timber sales
Livestock raising
If you truly have no restrictions, you can do just about anything you want with your land.

Where and How to Find Unrestricted Land
Unrestricted land is often listed just like any other piece of land. Most agents advertise this feature because it attracts more buyers, so you're sure to see "unrestricted land" in the listing description. These lots tend to sell quickly.

If you have contacts in the industry, they may know of properties that will soon be listed. Some agents are in the business of seeking out potential sellers or have a pool of sellers that will only sell through their agency.

You also have the option of searching your local GIS to find properties in your area that are unrestricted.

It's important to do your due diligence when buying property that's advertised as "unrestricted." You may just find that the land does have restrictions in place – and those restrictions may have been in place for many decades.

 

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