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Jimfarmer

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Favorable locations
« on: October 09, 2010, 06:11:43 PM »
I started a thread with this title in a topic elsewhere, but I didn't realize that it is accessible only to moderators there.  So, I will copy the items from there to here so that everyone can read them.  I'll do one item every 2 or 3 days.  Here goes:
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From Sept 26 by me:
 Here are two resources that I found today:
1) http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/  gives maps of US states showing locations of earthquakes from 1990 to 2006, terrain, and major cities.  (1 map per state)  Hopefully the gov't of other countries produce similar maps.

2) http://geology.com/state-map/ gives maps of US states showing terrain and rivers, county names, major roads and cities, elevations, and lakes and rivers.  (5 maps per state)  County boundaries are shown on all maps.  That page has a link to a "World Maps" section.

I have some ideas about other info that could be posted in this topic also, such as criteria for choosing a location.  (Isolation, weather before and after the pole shift, distance from oceans and lakes, elevation, etc.)

HoneyBee2012

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2010, 08:40:05 AM »
Hey,

Thanks for posting those websites.  They provide a wealth of information concerning  terrain and rivers, county names, major roads and cities, elevations, and lakes and rivers and also the seismic areas of the world and our country.  You mentioned criteria for chosing a location before the pole shift and would be interested in your views concerning a most important topic.  If that "I am America map" is pertinent, I am up the creek as I am coastal.  Any current information regarding this would be great.  Thank you! ;D

Jimfarmer

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2010, 09:52:42 AM »
Yo HoneyBee,

You said "... I am up the creek as I am coastal".  Yes, I think so.
Here are references from a posting on August 17, 2010 in topic "Intro Board" :
Google this: "maps of earth changes in 2012" to see several versions of changes in coast lines.
Read about specific locations in https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm .

But, forewarned is forearmed, so just think ahead.  And, read the items that I am posting in the "Ascension" thread.
(More coming soon)

Jimfarmer

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2010, 10:17:19 AM »
Re. selecting a favorable location, here is the 7-step plan of the Zetas at https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue203.htm :

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7 Steps

    Those who first learn of the pending pole shift and the presence of Planet X in the inner solar system are often at a loss on where to start. They know global catastrophes will happen, and preparations should be made, but where to start? The ZetaTalk website is vast. Recently, in anticipation of an uptick in Earth changes with many newcomers to the subject suddenly becoming aware for the first time, the Zetas provided some advice.

    ZetaTalk Advice 9/11/2010: Step 1 is to research your location in the Safe Locations information on the ZetaTalk website. In this you should examine not only your country, your state or province, or your city but also any nearby. Your specific town may not be covered but the whole river valley may be predicted to flood and to flood permanently. This would be a clue that your specific town will be likewise affected. We cannot and have not addressed every spot on Earth, due to time and energy constraints.

    Step 2 is to research your location from the standpoint of the climate that will exist after the pole shift. This is quickly ascertained by looking at the New Geology map. This is a free map which can be cut out and taped together and will give a general idea of the latitude to expect. If your chosen location is where one of the new poles will be, this is a clue that you need to rethink or plan a migration route. This is likewise the case if your chosen location will be on land that will sink below the waves entirely, such as India or western Australia.



    ZetaTalk Advice 9/11/2010: Step 3 is to research your elevation above sea level. A handy and free tool is Google Earth which can be downloaded into a PC and will show the exact elevation of any spot the cursor passes over. Google Maps is a modified version that allows a color coded map based on elevation. Our advice to be 100 miles from a coastline and 200 feet above sea level to avoid the coastal tidal waves during the pole shift should be applied. You can determine your current elevation and whether your location will be 675 feet above sea level where the water will rise within 2 years after the pole shift. A rough guide in this matter is the map Nancy created.



    ZetaTalk Advice 9/11/2010: Step 4 is to determine if you are in one of those regions which will rise or fall. India and western Australia will be below the waves as of the time of the pole shift, and being pushed down before the pole shift. Japan gains 150 feet, New Zealand gains 500 feet and eastern Australia benefits also, Spain loses 50 feet, western UK loses 150 feet, New England gains 450 feet due to the Seaway rip, Florida loses 150 feet, and Vancouver gains 100 feet.



    ZetaTalk Advice 9/11/2010: Step 5 is to research the effect of swollen rivers which will likely be in a backwash during the pole shift. We have stated that all rivers will be over their banks, so the worst possible scenario should be assumed. What will happen if the river cannot drain? Despite having a good sea level elevation, any land that does not have an advantage of being at least 200 feet in elevation over a major river bottom in the vicinity is likely to be flooded. A backwash from the main river in your vicinity should be assumed, so that creeks will not drain, for instance. Water on the move tears and bites and scours, and will undercut the soil under buildings so they will tilt and tumble. Being on solid rock that will not melt in this scenario is advised. Tidal bore along cliffs facing the ocean can likewise have water climbing up, or funneled up by ravines which will direct water all the way to Guadalajara from the Pacific, for example. Think this through, for your location, and be on the safe side.

    Step 6 is to examine your volcanic or geographic risk due to mountain building. We have advised a 100 mile radius from all volcanoes that have been active within the last 10,000 years, and that Yellowstone will not become a super volcano. You can determine if the new westerly winds will blow volcanic ash in your direction. Consider that what was formerly north will now be west or east. Fire storms, though extremely rare, almost always occur near erupting volcanoes during the hour of the pole shift. We have advised that if in areas subject to mountain building that old rock not shattered is a good guide to what will survive, and newly fractured rock is a clue that more of the same might be expected. Older mountains as the Alps and Appalachians are considered safe, where the Sierras and Andes are building.



    ZetaTalk Advice 9/11/2010: Step 7 is to ascertain if you need a migration route. It is possible to survive the pole shift by avoiding tidal waves and staying outside of structures that will crush you, but to be in a position to be flooded within 2 years after the pole shift. Siberia is a case in point. Here the land is so low in elevation that vast swaths of land will be flooded, and survivors must plan to migrate on foot or via boat. Survivors near the new N Pole off the Bulge of Brazil might consider migrating toward the Andes and their familiar tropical warmth. Such migration, and your target location, can be plotted. Migration routes can be expected to be crowded, so should be avoided as a location for survival camps in general.
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I reckon that this procedure is still not complete, but it is a good start.

Jimfarmer

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2010, 06:12:02 PM »
Here is some analysis of the temperature factor.  It is not complete yet; I have not been able to get the Zetas to specify the positions of the continents after the pole shift with sufficient accuracy to allow identification of tropic and temperate regions completely.  I am still working on it!

So, here is part A -- current situation:
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Favorable Locations: The Temperature Factor.

We seek locations having fertile land, permanent potable water, adequate sunshine and rainfall for a variety of crops, and lack of extremes of weather, both before and after the pole shift.

The climate of a location is affected by its latitude, terrain, and elevation, as well as nearby water bodies and their currents.  Rainfall is then determined by those factors as well as the prevailing winds and seasonal or longer-term effects (e.g, El Nino).  (http://www.mvla.net/teachers/TeriF/Earth%20Science/Pages/FactorsthatAffectClimateTutorial.aspx  and  http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_factors_that_determine_climate)

At sea level and on islands, the local climate is stongly affected by the nearby ocean currents.  But, the Zetas recommend to be at least 675 feet (206 meters) above sea level and 100 miles (161 kilometers) inland in order to be beyond the reach of 1) tsunamis and 2) rising sea levels.     (http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/determine-your-safe-locations)

The only geographical situation that provides a comfortable temperature with little diurnal or seasonal variation is to be at about 3000 feet (914 meters.) elevation at the equator (or nearby) -- but not in a very dry region nor further than 600 miles (965 kilometers) downwind from an ocean, approximately.

Example: At Puyo, Ecuador at 3117 feet (950 meters) elevation and 1.3 degrees south latitude, the highest monthy average temperature is 69 degrees Fahrenheit (21 degrees Celsius) and the lowest monthly average is 66 degrees Fahrenheit (19 degrees Celsius), giving a difference of 3 degrees Fahrenheit (2 degrees Celsius). Diurnal range for 10/10/2010 was 22 degrees Fahrenheit (12 degrees Celsius) -- 53~75 degrees Fahrenheit (12~24 degrees Celsius).  That compares well to the differences between highest monthly average of daily high temperatures and lowest monthly average of daily low temperatures of 20 degrees Fahrenheit (11 degrees Celsius) at Guayaquil, Ecuador (elevation 30 feet -- 9 meters) and 24 degrees Fahrenheit (14 degrees Celsius) at Cuenca, Ecuador (elevation 8291 feet -- 2527 meters).

From there, you can have a comfortable average temperature but with greater variation by going down in elevation and up in latitude.  To make the analysis easy, let's consider the tropics as limits of latitude, so that reasonable comfort can be maintained with only fans, small heaters or stoves, and ordinary clothing, rather than requiring complete heating and cooling systems.

Example: AT Mazatlan, on the west coast of Mexico, at 16 feet (4 meters) elevation and 23.1 degrees north latitude, the highest monthly average temperature is 84 degrees Fahrenheit (28 degrees Celsius) and the lowest monthly average temperature is 69 degrees Fahrenheit (20 degrees Celsius), giving a difference of 15 degrees Fahrenheit (8 degrees Celsius).  The difference there between the highest monthly average of daily high temperatures and the lowest monthly average of daily low temperatures is 34 degrees Fahrenheit (19 degrees Celsius).  The diurnal range for 10/10/2010 was 11 degrees Fahrenheit (6 degrees Celsius).

The Internet site http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/outreach/lesson_plans/Teacher%20Background%20Information-%20Earth%27s%20Climate.pdf
 shows that the north and south isotherms of 18 degrees Celsius (64 degrees Fahrenheit) for the average coolest month are not straight lines, but they cross the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn several times.  So do the isotherms of 70 degrees Fahrenheit (21 degrees Celsius) for the average temperature in January.

(This information is consistent with personal experience of living in Colombia, Australia, and Fiji for several years each.)

The Internet site http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~mripol/3024/Notes&Handouts/MultReg-TempvsLatElev.pdf shows a statistical curve-fit of average annual temperature (in degrees Fahrenheit) to latitude and elevation (in feet) that accounts for 99% of the total variance of the data set.  The result is:
   temp = 109 - 1.83 lat - 0.00185 elev
The scattergrams show a nicely linear relationship of temperature to latitude; but a definite nonlinear effect of elevation on temperature at elevations above 2000 feet is evident.  Although it appears that the inclusion of a term for elevation squared would have improved the fit of the equation, a more complicated equation that did include elevation squared did not produce significant improvement.

The Internet site http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap16/geo_clim.html investigates temperatures (in Celsius)  versus latitude, elevation, rainfall, and downwind distance from the ocean (in kilometers).  Using annual temperature range as the difference between the hottest and coldest months, taking monthly mean temperatures in each case, two of the results are the following.
1) The contour of annual range of temperature of 8 degrees Celsius (14 degrees Fahrenheit) in South America runs close to the tropic of Capricorn -- except in the coastal desert of Chile, where it curves southward.
2) A good fit to the data set is obtained by the equation
   AnnualTempRange = 0.13*Latitude*Distance^0.2
where "*" indicates multiplication and "^" indicates exponentiation.
Average daily temperature range did not correlate well with any of those independent variables, except for a slight statistical inverse relationship to rainfall.

So, the generalized relationship between latitude and elevation at locations having favorable temperature ranges is a straight line from 23 degrees north or south latitude and 0 elevation to 0 degrees latitude and 3000 feet (914 meters) elevation.  The equations for those lines, valid within the tropics and for elevations up to 3000 feet (914 meters),  are:
   elevation = 3000*(1-0.0435*latitude) in feet
   elevation = 914*(1-0.0435*latitude)  in meters
   latitude = 0.00767*(3000-elevation)   for elevation in feet
   latitude = 0.0252*(914-elevation)   for elevation in meters
It should be remembered, though, that local geography can render a location unfavorable even though it satisfies the general relationship between latitude and elevation.

Temperature and rainfall averages for thousands of cities and towns all around the world can be obtained at http://www.weatherbase.com .

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Jimfarmer

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2010, 07:03:00 PM »
Here is as much of the Temperature Factor, part B (after the pole shift) as I have gathered together so far.  More will come if the Zetas answer my questions -- which Nancy has refused to allow so far.

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We seek locations in the tropics, or at least with latitudes less than, say, 45 degrees, after the pole shift so that temperature ranges will not be problematic.

The Zeta's map that shows the new equator and the new poles is this:

However, the problem with that map is that the positions of the continents are not shown in the relative locations that they will be after the pole shift;  it is just a map of the current globe turned sideways and the new equator and poles drawn in.  Unfortunately, some of the tectonic plates will move so much that the total expansion in the Atlantic and corresponding compression in the Pacific and Indian Ocean is 5050 miles  (8126 kilometers), according to my calculations using the Zeta's data.  Here is my diagram of that situation:


Here is how I calculated the values:
The Zeta's map shows the new equator passing through or close to the South Pole, and so, being a great circle, it must pass through or close to the North Pole also.  The map also shows the new equator passing the following locations.
1) Passing thru the Bering Straight and touching the eastern tip of the largest island there (Big Diomede).  The location there is 170 degrees west old longitude and 63 degrees north old latitude.
2) Grazing the northeast tip of South Island of New Zealand.  The location there is 174 degrees east old longitude and 41 degrees south old latitude.
3) Passing over the western tip of Africa, at a position that appears to be at 14, 15, or 16 degrees east old longitude.

So, on the Pacific side, the distances between the points in the Bering Straight and in New Zealand is 16 degrees longitude and 104 degrees latitude.  Then, simple interpolation puts the location where the new equator crosses the old equator at 180 degrees east/west old longitude.  Therefore, the new equator is approximately coincident to old longitude 180 degrees east/west, but it is tilted somewhat to the east in the old northern hemisphere and to the west in the old southern hemisphere.

On the Atlantic side, 180 degrees from 180 degrees east/west is 0 degrees east/west, which is 14 to 16 degrees west of the apparent position on the Zeta's map.  That discrepency could be related to  the tilt of the new equator relative to the longitude lines, and/or to the shifting of the continents that will occur -- see below.

The poles are always 90 degrees up and down from the equator, and since the new equator passes near to the old poles, the new poles should be near to the old equator.  The Zetas have specified the exact locations of the new poles.  This statement is from https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/17jy2010.htm :
"Under our direction Nancy has ascertained via Google Earth that the new N Pole will be at the current lat/long of 5°S and 29°W and the new S Pole will be the current lat/long of 10°N and 78°E. These points are not on opposites of the globe from one another today. The Pacific compresses, the Atlantic widens, the S America Plate crunches through much of what is now the Caribbean Plate, and all this and more reform the globe somewhat so that geographical points are not relative to other geographical points as they are today. However, as a general guide to determine your new latitude, using these points and the map of the new geography and our statements on where the new Equator will ride should help you determine with more accuracy your new climate."

Thus, the new axis of the Earth (the diameter thru the poles) will be tilted by 5 to 10 degrees with respect to the old equator, and the alignment is slightly bent with respect to an old diameter line, perhaps by 10-5 = 5 degrees.

The circumference of the earth at the equator is 24901.55 miles (40075.16 kilometers)


OK then,  since we don't know which tectonic plates will move by how much, the best that we can do at the moment is just to estimate new latitudes on land masses by measuring from either where the new equator passes over or near to existing land, or from the positions of the new poles on or near to existing land; BUT only within the same tectonic plate as the starting point on the new equator or the new pole because most or all of the relative movements between continents will occur at the plate boundaries.

What we get from that method, by looking at the Zeta's map, is that the warm-to-hot regions of the Earth after the pole shift will be, in order of confidence:
1) Antarctica,
2) western Africa,
3) New Zealand,
4) Hawaii,
5) Alaska and perhaps some of western Canada,
6) eastern Siberia,
7) west coast  of South America (50 degrees south of the new north pole).

Measurements from the new south pole are not possible because of the drastic changes in positions of the tectonic plates that will occur in that region.
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Jimfarmer

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2010, 03:05:48 PM »
From my message of  November 1:  "More will come if the Zetas answer my questions -- which Nancy has refused to allow so far."

OK; the Zeta's emissary Nancy finally admitted that my analysis was correct.
From http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-november-6?id=3863141%3ATopic%3A220744&page=4#comments :
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You are correct, James, that the New Geography map in the Pole Shift section does not show much in the way of the crunching of the Caribbean and Indonesia region, the shortening of the Indo-Australia Plate due to the plunge under the Himalyas, the compression of the Pacific or spread of the Atlantic. BUT the gentleman who drew the new geography on the old map DID try to take those factors into consideration.
https://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam332.htm
For instance Step 14, post pole shift.
https://www.zetatalk.com/teams/poleshft/mikeg014.htm

And I am looking forward to a NEW result that can be used here on the ning to show people where their current geography will be. Given that the Zetas have given the location, on the current globe, of the Lat/Long for the new poles, how about some of the graphically talented folks here drawing up a new globe???
[end quote]

Well, she did not say that she will request numerical data from the Zetas, so we will see if any comes forth.  In the meantime, this is what I had suggested to be done:  "With that data, someone having appropriate software that can represent the Earth as a three-dimensional object can then trace the plate boundaries, mark them as surface units, move them by the specified amounts to produce the modified object, and then generate maps with new latitude and longitude lines.  I suggest that Mollweide projection (elliptical equal area) with the new equator horizontal and centered vertically would be the most useful. (Two maps would be nice -- one with Central America in the vertical center line and the other with the new antipode of Central America in the vertical center line.)  Who could do that?"

Could any of our members here (PX Town Hall) help/do that?


CINERUSS

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2010, 12:52:17 PM »
In light of what may be coming on the earth, can anyone share where the safest place would be to be geographically speaking?  Is there a map of locations.  I know this is all based on what may be affecting the earth in the coming months / years but any help would be greatly appreciated
« Last Edit: January 25, 2014, 11:56:04 PM by Yowbarb »

noproblemo2

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2010, 05:38:08 PM »

CINERUSS

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2010, 06:15:59 PM »
Hi Jim,

The users in this forum stated you knew of safe place to locate geographically.  Could you tell us where this is in the forum?  The Zeta site is thorough but practically every place you check, it is not safe.  There is no breakdown on their site about the safe areas.  Any suggestions?


noproblemo2

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2010, 06:27:29 PM »
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noproblemo2

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2010, 06:28:14 PM »
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noproblemo2

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2010, 06:28:57 PM »
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noproblemo2

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2010, 10:10:19 PM »
Do you have high ground there, underground shelter areas? Those would be worth investigating for your community.

noproblemo2

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Re: Favorable locations
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2010, 11:19:31 PM »
On the higher ground you have perhaps there are some caves also for protection, You will need to ensure you provision the higher grounds as when things begin to escalate there may bot be enough time to do so.

 

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