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« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2019, 07:46:10 AM »
I deleted my postings from that site which had that graphene jacket,
"Fah-GETT abouut it."   ;D     8)

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pulleys & snatchblocks
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2020, 12:00:18 AM »
Great instructional vid on pulleys and snatchblocks.

I personally bought this tiny and light pulley (for survival purposes).

When you're thinking 72-hour BOB or something, i wouldn't bother bringing along a pulley [unless it's in a vehicle]. Me, though, i'm always (at least also) planning for 'rebuilding mode' after surviving a cataclysmic event. And in that case one of the things that could become very important is the ability to pick up big rocks.
When i was on La Gomera and trying to make a small dam, the bedrock was covered with some very large rocks, way bigger than i could ever lift or even move (in some cases). With some rope and three large branches you can make a tripod and start lifting large rocks.
Like i just mentioned in a post on the need for being able to make cement, making dams [i.e. slowing water down] is an essential part of permaculture. In fact [and quite by coincidence / serendipitously], i was just listening to Joel Salatin talk about how 8% of land used to be covered in ponds and the like and now it's less than 1%.
Well, if you can move one large rock instead of investing a huge amount of cement to fill the same area of space [and the cement wouldn't be as strong as the rock either], that would be a big win right there.
Heavy / big rocks are also great for building gabion( wall)s
[also used in permaculture to pacify water].
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Re: TOOLS, Socrates' Topic merged with older Topic
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2020, 07:17:16 PM »
That video on snatchblocks and pulleys was a real eyeopener, and I confess to being one of those know-nothings about pulleys.  As he said, something like, "we all pretend we know how pulleys work, but most of us really don't".  LOL   True.

In all seriousness, it appears some sort of pulley would need to be in a BOB.

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« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2020, 06:52:18 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueMR6PMDk7Y

Hand Drill for Beginners (Mullein and Cottonwood)

This nifty video reminded me of watching Larry Kinsella using the hand drill, and he said his favorite woods are "cattail on yucca", meaning cattail spindle on a "board" made of yucca. 

Mullein and cottonwood are fairly common, so this combo should be easy for many people to find.

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machines for processing wood
« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2020, 06:40:23 AM »
I've long considered a wood chipper as something essential for homesteading. Of course most folks have heard about Back to Eden gardening, i.e. gardening in [within/through/under] woodchips and that's great in and of itself. In many ways that works just like a forest floor.
But then there are two major ways in which animals can help and speed along said process: keep chickens [rabbits, etc.] on woodchips and then there's Joel Salatin's pigaerator system:
Joel Salatin has about 1000 cows during the year and keeps 300 of them throughout the winter with them living off of hay for 100 days. They put out 50 pounds of manure/day/a piece [i.e. 15,000 pounds of poo/day!]; their dung and urine is soaked up by loads of 'carbon', i.e. woodchips, straw, etc.; more carbonateous material is added daily but also corn is thrown in; the manure, woodchips and corn ferment because the environment is anaerobic. After 100 days [imagine: 1,500,000 pounds of manure and probably a similar amount of woodchips later] pigs are let into the area that they then proceed to turn over in search of the fermented corn, thereby aerating the whole, turning it into compost. So maybe 3 million pounds of compost... (Joel Salatin farms 2000 acres of land) Part of the beauty of this system, however, is that it can be scaled down to just about as small as you like, i.e. it would also work with 5 cows rather than 300 [which would get you around 50,000 pounds of compost].

With his successes [a $ 3,000,000/yr operation feeding 5000 families, 10 supermarkets and 50 restaurants while increasing soil quality and quantity, employing 20 people fulltime] and Dr. Elaine Ingham's research in mind concerning the importance of compost, one can see how a woodchipper could greatly help in establishing productive land. Indeed, it was one of the first machines Joel Salatin bought when he started farming fulltime.

It should also be noted that a large chunk of Joel Salatin's land is woodland. He keeps pigs on his silvopastures [trees but few enough that grass also grows well] and obviously has all the wood he needs to create all the woodchips he might want. However, there's another (rather large) machine one would want if one really wished to become self-sufficient: a one-man saw mill. [Yeah, Salatin has one, too.]

P.S Lumber, compost and woodchips are all products that can be sold or traded; also, they respectively keep forever, for a long time or actually appreciate in value over time, i.e. not bad business options at all.
P.P.S. Now the sh!t has hit the fan, Joel Salatin's sales have trippled in short order. And since he processes his own meat, he has great reserves with which to keep serving costumers while supermarket supplies are running ever lower.
P.P.P.S. At the end of WW II the Dutch went through what we call "the hunger winter". This only bothered people in cities, however. In fact there were actually farmers who never noticed WW II even happened...
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Re: machines for processing wood
« Reply #50 on: May 01, 2020, 06:21:05 PM »
P.P.P.S. At the end of WW II the Dutch went through what we call "the hunger winter". This only bothered people in cities, however. In fact there were actually farmers who never noticed WW II even happened...
Thanks for sharing that, as some of us had not heart of "the hunger winter".

A similar thing happened in the U.S. in the 1930's during the "Great Depression".  Folks say that people who lived in the country and grew their own food didn't even know there was "a depression" because not much was any different.  It was some of the city folk who had to stand in "soup lines". 

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Re: farmers
« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2020, 12:23:41 AM »
For both the Netherlands and the USA society has however dramatically gotten worse. Used to be just about every family in the states had some relative or other that owned a farm. So city slickers could hightail it to rural family members and survive that way. With some 2 or 3% of Americans today participating meaningfully as farmers, stress on city resources and people will be maybe dozens of times worse than in the Great Depression.
The situation may be a little less dire for the Dutch, but certainly too bad to matter. City folk are gonna be screwed all over the world.
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Re: TOOLS, Socrates' Topic merged with older Topic
« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2020, 04:23:12 AM »
Soc, Are most Dutch involved with farming?  Is that why the situation would be less dire?

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« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2020, 04:29:09 AM »
We can't afford a chipper right now, but a nearby farm brings me as many bales of wood chips as I want for a $20 delivery charge (in addition to the price of the bales) once a year.  We stack them in a semi-sheltered location outdoors, and critters do tear them open a bit in spots, but they're still usable.  :)

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Re: Dutch
« Reply #54 on: May 02, 2020, 09:44:40 AM »
Soc, Are most Dutch involved with farming?  Is that why the situation would be less dire?
Nah, this country is as industrialized as most other 'western' nations. We're not Denmark which is the same size as us but has 3 million inhabitants to our 17 [size of Delaware btw]. Dutch wealth is based on our trade position at the mouth of Europe's most traveled river and we're basically a tax haven for corporations, i.e. Dutch citizens pay 80% tax but companies love it here.

We have too many people, too many social programs with all kinds of people taking advantage of them, depleted agricultural lands worth next-to-nothing, etc. etc. We're in a similar boat as the USA, i think. Denmark would be better; it's like Holland was around WW II or something.
Hey, imagine 17 million folk in Delaware; does that sound promising to you as an American? Nah, we're screwed [as a people].
However, we do not have the uber-industrialized AG that the USA does; we indeed have hog/chicken/etc. factories that are terribly vulnerable to variables, but our AG isn't focused on the kind of strategies the U.S. subsidizes, i.e. annuals meant for export and feedlot. I'm no expert but i think we're a bit less vulnerable than the USA; still, far too vulnerable.
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« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2020, 08:03:30 PM »
The U.S. Big-AG might win the prize for vulnerability, while the small, family farms which represent a small fraction of U.S. farms are usually quite diverse with many crops and/or products, and rarely monocrop the land.   

 Although they want to make a living, they are not hellbent on maximiziing profit at the expense of the environment.

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Re: price wood chippers
« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2020, 09:40:18 PM »
We can't afford a chipper right now
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A quick Craigslist search gives me a nice looking one for $ 150...
You don't have to be able to knock down a forest with the thing.
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« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2020, 04:46:00 AM »
Great idea to check Craigslist!  We've gotten some wonderful bargains from that resource, such as small livestock, furniture, etc.  Just need to be a little cautious when dealing with total strangers, of course.

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« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2020, 05:04:04 AM »
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Nah, this country is as industrialized as most other 'western' nations. We're not Denmark which is the same size as us but has 3 million inhabitants to our 17 [size of Delaware btw]. Dutch wealth is based on our trade position at the mouth of Europe's most traveled river and we're basically a tax haven for corporations, i.e. Dutch citizens pay 80% tax but companies love it here.

We have too many people, too many social programs with all kinds of people taking advantage of them, depleted agricultural lands worth next-to-nothing, etc. etc. We're in a similar boat as the USA, i think. Denmark would be better; it's like Holland was around WW II or something.
Hey, imagine 17 million folk in Delaware; does that sound promising to you as an American? Nah, we're screwed [as a people].
However, we do not have the uber-industrialized AG that the USA does; we indeed have hog/chicken/etc. factories that are terribly vulnerable to variables, but our AG isn't focused on the kind of strategies the U.S. subsidizes, i.e. annuals meant for export and feedlot. I'm no expert but i think we're a bit less vulnerable than the USA; still, far too vulnerable.

80% tax sounds worse than Socialism to me (no offense intended to the fine Dutch people)...

The way my high school government teacher explained Socialism is:

"You buy 2 cows and the government takes one, while you keep the other one."

The way he explained Communism is:

"You buy 2 cows and the government takes both, and gives you some of the milk."

At least in his explanation of Socialism, you get to keep 50% of your own wealth...

Anyway, it does sound as if what remains of your agriculture is in a more sustainable position.
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Re: communism
« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2020, 11:05:35 AM »
The way he explained Communism is:
"You buy 2 cows and the government takes both, and gives you some of the milk."
At least in his explanation of Socialism, you get to keep 50% of your own wealth...
I'm not kidding myself [or my son when i talk to him about such matters], i live in a communist country. Maybe in the '70s one might still have called it socialist. (I also consistently refer to Holland as being totalitarian and certainly never call this system "democratic".)
In the '80s the west was still beating up on the Soviets and this is what i was told at school: 'In the USSR people pay 90% taxes and get to keep 10%'. But people also always forget that the way you can spend the 20% you're left with is heavily determined by the system, too. For instance, housing is excessively expensive because of the system, as are all kinds of services because employers have to pay immense taxes on every employee they have, etc. etc. etc. So the 20% is probably really 10 and we've arrived exactly where my teachers at school said was 'evil communism'...
I love the way Joel Salatin puts it: 'Every dollar you make for yourself is really worth $ 1,40 because you save yourself the taxes'. It's one of the reasons he says he and his wife could live off of $ 300/month (when just starting up).
Isn't that one of the great things about being a homesteader? No one's expecting you to pay taxes over the money you made selling firewood to a few neighbors...  ;D
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