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STORING GAS/how do we do it safely?
« on: June 30, 2011, 08:25:27 AM »
i have thought of this from time to time i have a few destinations in the event i need to travel but im concerned about storing gas i know i can buy a gas can but im not sure if it will store well in my apartment or outside on my patio would i cover it up or put it in my walk in closet can this california heat cause it to be combustive if i put it outside im so confused any one know anything about this what the best way to stalk up on a fiew gallons of gas how do i store it ???
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Re: STORING GAS/how do we do it safely?
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2011, 11:08:37 AM »
...In case I haven't mentioned it, storing gasoline is dangerous and can potentially lead to premature end of life.
Oh most wise one, with your words of wisdom I've removed the (5) 3-gallon containers filled with gasoline from the trunk of my car  ;D  ;D  ;D
Live long and prosper!

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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2011, 05:53:03 PM »
Used the last of my stored fuel from 2008 and had not problems with the car. I did use Sta-bil Fuel Stabilizer in mine, but it lasted 2 1/2 years.

Keep it stored in a separate metal shed in 5 gallon containers ready to fill the generator.

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Re: STORING GAS/how do we do it safely?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2011, 09:31:42 PM »
Might I suggest military gas/water cans.   ed

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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2011, 10:48:57 PM »
Good call Ed. The newer ones cost about $35, are synthetic, and do well in extreme temps either way. Put the recommended dose of sta-Bil in and keep it outside, but in the shade. I have 2 5 gal cans out back in 110 degree Okla heat, and as long as you keep them full, they are fine. DO NOT USE THEM IN THE HOUSE.

Bad ideas:
-don't use them to hold ashtrays!
-don't use them as furniture in the bedroom!
-don't put them near the heat/ac intake vent (there are less damaging ways to get high)!
-not good for use as a way to start a fire in your fireplace!

Yep!

If you can afford to trade your car, you can get a pre-2002 VW jet diesel turbo for under $5000. They will run on corn oil & heet. 55 mpg!
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2011, 07:45:55 AM »
I have 4 five gallon cans that I store in my garage.  I take the spigot off them so they can vent.  I've been storing gas like this for 3 years without a problem.  BTW it is a detached garage and I don't park the car in it.

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2011, 12:53:24 PM »
One more thing: if you need to carry gas cans with you when TSHTF, try to get a cheap receiver hitch & cargo rack now. They hold 500lbs and are great for carrying fuel. Strap them down then cover with a tarp (actually strap down over the tarp). This way if you have to run a roadblock & somebody shoots at you etc, the gas is away from the vehicle & not in it.

Old trick from overseas. Bad guys kept shooting the gas then igniting it inside our trucks. Got a lot of guys burned up before the "aha!" moment where we started putting them out back.

Learn how to hot-wire now as well. It's easy... There are videos all over the net. You can practice by going to a salvage yard & trying it on newly wrecked vehicles ( needs a fresh battery). It doesn't need to start, just turn over!

Good luck with all your secret spy training!
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Re: STORING GAS/how do we do it safely?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2011, 08:00:17 PM »
  Just a reminder on fuel storage. Rotate stored fuel.   September 15'th was the start of winter gasoline.  The winter mix  has butane added which makes the fuel more volatile.  I don't know what month after September has the best blend for storage.
  Old gas can cause engine starting problems. The refineries add butane to assist in cold weather starting. Since fuel stored for long durations looses volatility, the winter blend is best for storage.
  Another reason for rotation is that condensation can form in the cans if not filled all the way. After three years, I rotated my stored gas. After dumping the gas into a clean bucket , some water was found in the bottom.  Rubbing alcohol can be used to remove the remaining water in the cans after transferring the fuel. The fuel wasn't wasted, I mixed it with new fuel in the bugout vehicle with no problems.
  I like the steel  5 gallon military Jerri cans.  The europen cam lock lids seem to seal better that the old school U.S. type with the large pipe thread plugs. 

Don't forget to add fuel stabilizer.

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Re: STORING GAS/how do we do it safely?
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2011, 03:07:33 AM »
i have thought of this from time to time i have a few destinations in the event i need to travel but im concerned about storing gas i know i can buy a gas can but im not sure if it will store well in my apartment or outside on my patio would i cover it up or put it in my walk in closet can this california heat cause it to be combustive if i put it outside im so confused any one know anything about this what the best way to stalk up on a fiew gallons of gas how do i store it ???

Fidelis-soul - excellent Topic idea,
Although there have been some ideas posted, previously,
we need to get it all together with some expert ideas.
Thanks to All, for contributions here. Important, 
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Re: STORING GAS/how do we do it safely?
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2011, 03:08:38 AM »
  Just a reminder on fuel storage. Rotate stored fuel.   September 15'th was the start of winter gasoline.  The winter mix  has butane added which makes the fuel more volatile.  I don't know what month after September has the best blend for storage.
  Old gas can cause engine starting problems. The refineries add butane to assist in cold weather starting. Since fuel stored for long durations looses volatility, the winter blend is best for storage.
  Another reason for rotation is that condensation can form in the cans if not filled all the way. After three years, I rotated my stored gas. After dumping the gas into a clean bucket , some water was found in the bottom.  Rubbing alcohol can be used to remove the remaining water in the cans after transferring the fuel. The fuel wasn't wasted, I mixed it with new fuel in the bugout vehicle with no problems.
  I like the steel  5 gallon military Jerri cans.  The europen cam lock lids seem to seal better that the old school U.S. type with the large pipe thread plugs. 

Don't forget to add fuel stabilizer.

Great to have this info,
Thanks
Barb T.

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Re: STORING GAS/how do we do it safely?
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2011, 12:48:51 PM »

Sample site with gas can safety information; product, link, price,
Safety Gas Cans.
PLS Note: It may be possible to get these a lot cheaper Ebay, Army Surplus etc. 
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http://simplifiedsafety.com/store/hazard-containment/safety-gas-cans.html

Safety Cans - Meet OSHA and NFPA Code 30 requirements and are UL and ULC listed and FM approved.
Safety Gas Cans are designed to meet OSHA and NFPA codes that apply to the safe handling and storage of gasoline and other flammable liquids.

Type 1 gas cans have only one opening for filling and dispensing the liquid in the can. Type 2 gas cans have an opening for filling and another opening for dispensing the flammable liquid

Safety Gas Can - Type 1, Galvanized w/ Funnel
Price From: $54.51
 
http://simplifiedsafety.com/store/hazard-containment/safety-gas-cans/type-1-safety-gas-can-funnel.html

Safety Gas Can - Type 2, Galvanized 5 Gal. w/ Spout
$128.29
 
http://simplifiedsafety.com/store/hazard-containment/safety-gas-cans/safety-gas-can-type-2-spout.html
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http://www.mgstevens.com/supply_images/gascan1.jpg



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EBAY JEEP OLIVE GAS TANK JERRY CAN  METAL SAFETY GAS CROWN
Item condition:   NEW 
MORE THAN TEN AVAILABLE

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=170699469237

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=170699469237
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SAMPLE IMAGE SAFETY GAS TANK, JERRY TYPE:

http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/268019760/20L_Vertical_Type_Galvanized_Sheet_Reserve_portable.jpg

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Re: STORING GAS/how do we do it safely?
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2011, 01:15:53 PM »
Don't forget to check Billxam's posts about adding fuel stabilizer. Another Member posted about that, too.
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Re: STORING GAS/how do we do it safely?
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2013, 10:31:31 AM »
  Just a reminder on fuel storage. Rotate stored fuel.   September 15'th was the start of winter gasoline.  The winter mix  has butane added which makes the fuel more volatile.  I don't know what month after September has the best blend for storage.
  Old gas can cause engine starting problems. The refineries add butane to assist in cold weather starting. Since fuel stored for long durations looses volatility, the winter blend is best for storage.
  Another reason for rotation is that condensation can form in the cans if not filled all the way. After three years, I rotated my stored gas. After dumping the gas into a clean bucket , some water was found in the bottom.  Rubbing alcohol can be used to remove the remaining water in the cans after transferring the fuel. The fuel wasn't wasted, I mixed it with new fuel in the bugout vehicle with no problems.
  I like the steel  5 gallon military Jerri cans.  The europen cam lock lids seem to seal better that the old school U.S. type with the large pipe thread plugs. 

Don't forget to add fuel stabilizer.

Initialone thanks for all the practical tips on storing gas.
I looked up the European cam lock lids which you mentioned.
Found one image and part of an old blog. This is about motorcycle riding with a gas can.
http://avrider.com/
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=622900 

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"The gas can has an industrial cam lock on it. This ensures a super tough lid that won't leak. It's also very easy to remove. The tank is contoured on both the top and bottom and sloped front to back to ensure maximum use of space. The tank holds just over a gallon. I have insulated the sides with a heat shield. Heat has not been an issue at all. The FMF cans run cool enough that the FMF puts a sticker on the sides. I have checked the sides of the gas can after long rides and there has been no heating of the gas can. There are two bolts that screw into the bottom of the tank for holding the license plate.

As far as clearance goes, I haven't bottomed out on the tank yet, at least not that I have really ever noticed. I have done a number of trips this last summer and have had no problems with this mod. So far so good. The tank fabrication is fairly complex with the compound geometry and there is a lot of work with the subframe restructuring, I don't know how many hours I put into it but it is not a quick mod. Anyway, let me know your toughts!"
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Re: STORING GAS/how do we do it safely?
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2013, 09:32:01 AM »
I never knew gasoline had different mixtures in the winter, that is a good tip.

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Re: STORING GAS/how do we do it safely?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2014, 11:28:25 PM »
  Just a reminder on fuel storage. Rotate stored fuel.   September 15'th was the start of winter gasoline.  The winter mix  has butane added which makes the fuel more volatile.  I don't know what month after September has the best blend for storage.
  Old gas can cause engine starting problems. The refineries add butane to assist in cold weather starting. Since fuel stored for long durations looses volatility, the winter blend is best for storage.
  Another reason for rotation is that condensation can form in the cans if not filled all the way. After three years, I rotated my stored gas. After dumping the gas into a clean bucket , some water was found in the bottom.  Rubbing alcohol can be used to remove the remaining water in the cans after transferring the fuel. The fuel wasn't wasted, I mixed it with new fuel in the bugout vehicle with no problems.
  I like the steel  5 gallon military Jerri cans.  The europen cam lock lids seem to seal better that the old school U.S. type with the large pipe thread plugs. 

Don't forget to add fuel stabilizer.

All very useful info... !

 

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