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You have no doubt had your own set of issues dealing with friends and family members that simply don’t see the writing on the wall. The following article may serve to assist you in convincing those who simply don’t know, don’t want to know, don’t care, or have never even thought to contemplate. Some of the scenarios outlined below may be frightening, as they should be because when it hits the fan millions of people will be thrown into desperation with no hope of a solution. This article provides a variety of point-by-point details that may (and hopefully will) convince the non-prepared individual to at least insulate themselves with the basic necessities. The consequences of not doing so, as you’ll see, are severe and often deadly.

I have become personally so disenchanted with the way people fail to prep.  People still don’t understand how important it is to put away.  I have gotten into arguments over this and had cretins call me a fool because I put away food, water, and supplies.  I thought about this and the frustration that other preppers have with this laid-back idiotic attitude that there is no need for preparation.  There are good people that just can’t/won’t start preparing. They have the money to do so, but just don’t want to.  Many have only seen what happens to non-preppers on TV, but it still doesn’t make an impact.

In this article, I detail some hardcore realities to show just how awful it will be for those that don’t prep. Every one of these scenarios is something that has occurred to the non-prepper throughout history.  While strong images come to mind, the purpose is to jar some people out of their inaction and into action before it is too late. Preppers are good people and care much about those around them, and unless something does jar those around them that choose not to prep, their own survival chances could be reduced.  For every bit of food, water, ammunition, or supplies you sacrifice to the non-prepper, the fewer irreplaceable supplies are left for you and your family in a crisis situation.  It is hoped that the following can help certain people put into TRUE perspective just how horrific it will be for those that don’t prepare.


Here are the awful consequences for those refusing to prep.

As the world continues to decay at multiple facets, the common person has and continues to be lulled into a sense that everything is improving and will continue to for the distant future.  After all, to them unemployment has peaked out and will drop until everyone that wants to work will easily be able to find good paying work,  North Korea is no threat because all their long range “bottle rockets” fizz out,  sanctions will eventually make Iran give up their nuclear program, oil prices will start going down after June or so,  Europe will bail out Greece and Spain and everyone else,  and U.S. debt will eventually come under control. After 2012 everyone that has prepared themselves will go back to more “sensible” lives.  “Good times are coming”, baseball season is here, let’s get back to watching some more crackerjack news. It is amazing how people become good conversationalists with most others discussing all the gossip related news while becoming mentally tranquilized into a totally deceptive state of denial of truly dangerous issues of the times.  It’s the blind leading the blind… right off the cliff. Rather than dealing with harsh reality, people surround themselves with easy to digest material that can be talked about without directly influencing anyone’s lives.  Meaningless chatter.  Even for those unwilling to even think to prepare for a societal catastrophic event, there is also no desire to even face the extreme possibility of a sudden loss of one’s employment.  A personal SHTF.


Look at some of the terrible personal pain experienced in America right now – and it hasn’t even hit the fan on a grand scale. Those people who have lived it up on credit, who failed to put much of anything away for a rainy day, who’ve lost their job, and who eventually lost their unemployment benefits are experiencing the first level of collapse. This is happening to millions of people in our own country, all around us, as we speak. These Americans, who once enjoyed the luxuries that modern living had to offer, are now at their wits end, with very little hope for a return to their previous lives. They are no longer able to pay most or any of their bills. Many have to humiliatingly turn to others for help to pay for food, or worse, to obtain old, unhealthy and poor tasting food from locally funded food banks. Their credit cards are totally worthless. Many have been evicted from their homes and have uprooted their families to live either on the street, in tent cities, with relatives, or have been forced to live at homeless shelters, they’ve have had their vehicles repossessed, or simply can’t afford the gasoline anymore. Their living conditions often make it difficult, if not impossible, to look presentable for job interviews. For many, the life of stability they knew just a short while ago is gone, replaced with fear and constant stress to the point of nervous breakdown. A personal economic meltdown is confined to the individual or family, or at worst a few families.  The human civilization remains intact and so do society’s safety nets. With food assistance, rental assistance, homeless shelters, and family to turn to, even the most destitute are almost always able to find some sort of help – however menial. It is no wonder with these known assistance programs, then, that people have forgotten or never thought to consider what happens IF and WHEN human civilization goes through a strong enough SHTF event.  If that happens on a mass scale what happens to everyone that needs help that has not prepared ahead of time?  What happens when governments are in such total disarray or destroyed altogether that they can’t help even if they wanted to?


The media and others have portrayed the good people that sacrifice much if not all “luxuries” of life to prepare themselves and their family and friends for extreme times, as chicken littles.  Those who have made the choice to store up emergency food, water, and other necessities to avoid extreme life-threatening risks, including suffering horribly during and after a widespread SHTF event, are laughed at and ridiculed often for “wasting” their lives on delusional paranoia. But who is delusional? Those who see the signs around them and understand how vulnerable the system is, or those who believe that things never change, that politicians have their best interests at heart, and that if the worst happens the government will be there to provide everything they may need? How many have considered the dire consequences of their failure to prepare in the event that the infrastructure and everything a country’s people depend on totally collapses? The misery from long term unemployment and lack of money is like a walk in the park compared to the severe anguish and dangerous conditions that await those who have failed to prepare for the aftermath of a large-scale cataclysm.  The “minor” problems of unemployment that seem extremely major and painful to most today should serve as a wake-up call to what life will be like when something much, much worse happens – when those proverbial safety nets are no longer there to catch us.


Many preppers have become deeply frustrated at those around them, especially those that truly mean something to them because they simply refuse to put away anything at all for emergencies.  A prepper is usually a person that cares a lot and it is often difficult for them to take a tough stance towards the people that they care about.  However, unless someone changes the habits of those people that fail to get ready, decisions will need to be made, and they won’t be easy. The choice of what the prepared prepper should do will boil down to either adding these people to their own circle or survival group and reduce the group’s safety, supplies and self-sufficiency, OR, they will have to let the non-prepper fend for themselves.  This is a very personal choice, and each of us will need to decide based on our own morals, ethics and personal relationships. As a last-ditch effort, discussing the following scenarios with the non-prepper may help them understand what life will be like without what has sustained them so comfortably for so long. This is the hard reality the non-prepper needs to understand:

•   Without power, the water company cannot get water to their faucets. Without water, dehydration occurs within 24 hours. Dehydration causes much suffering before death.
•   Toilets in homes, unless they have an incineration toilet that still needs the power to work, don’t flush without water.  Where will they go to the bathroom and then where will they dispose of human waste?
•    There will be no clean water available anywhere, especially in major cities, and they cannot live more than about three days without it.
•   Drinking dirty and polluted water will make them incredibly sick and accelerate the dehydration process.
•   Polluted water must be purified and that means having a good filter, bleach or other disinfectants, or fuel and something to boil water with.
•   Understand just how fragile the power and the infrastructure are that pumps water to the public. A breakdown in our power infrastructure or a cyber attack against utility systems will render them useless.
•   A single event can rapidly lead to a cascade of other events that would certainly collapse almost, if not, everything. This is why major snow storms, hurricanes or solar events in the past have affected millions of people in an entire region all at once.
•   A single, seemingly unimportant event may become quite terrible as its repercussions spread; this can include a far and away disaster.
•   Understand that the economies of the world are so interwoven that when one major economy falls it affects everyone.
•   Not having any food in the house means that if the stores are emptied suddenly in a bad enough situation that there will be no food available for a long period of time afterward. Recent history during disasters around the world has shown that stores can literally be emptied in minutes.
•   Think about how totally horrible the feeling of being very hungry is and what circumstances would cause one to be desperate enough to eat anything.
•   ALL stores can be closed instantly under martial law.
•   Understand that you may not be able to purchase anything after it starts, especially with any credit cards.
•   Understand the complexity of food and water distribution; breaks in these chains can stop anything from getting to the people.
•   What life will be like if no toilet paper is stored?
•   Understand that without light sources, the night will be pitch black, often with zero visibility.
•   There will be no communications, other than probably martial law type of instructions over the radio, that is if they have batteries for the radio.
•   Other than ham and shortwave radio, any information that is available will be sent out by the government as filtered propaganda that “they” want everyone to hear.
•   Without power consider what it will be like to not have any heat to stay warm, or air-conditioned air to stay cooler – with no way of alleviating the situation.
•   Travelling will likely be by foot or bicycle, as there will be no fuel and roadways may be blocked.
•   Realize that ANY travel outside of the home or neighborhood will be extremely dangerous as ANYONE who moves becomes a target
•   Non-preppers will be pushed way beyond their limit because of the lack of supplies.
•   The non-prepper must realize their government does not really care about them individually, that they are a mere number and help will likely not come from them.
•   They have to figure out somewhere to get food. This can mean wild plants which they must know how to identify as safe, or risk poisoning themselves.
•   They have to understand that when we refer to “having no food” it doesn’t mean not having the food they are used to enjoying, it means no food to eat at all.
•   They have to understand that if they are fortunate enough to have any running water, they will probably have to bathe in cold water for lack of stored fuel to heat water.
•    They have to realize that the very strange and totally unexpected is going to be all around them, made that much worse because of lack of any reliable self-defence stores or skills.
•   They might have to remain on the run constantly because of looking for water and food.
•   They must understand that bad will be magnified magnitudes to living misery because of lack of food, water, and other necessary items that they took for granted for so long.

Part 2 in next post
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Okay, now comes the “truly ugly and unthinkable” life that most, if not all, people that have failed and refused to prepare themselves will deal with.  Clear vivid visualization is key here for anyone that ho-hums the idea of prepping. What horrors they will likely face after a cave-in of their nation’s economy, war, geophysical upheaval, or whatever crisis is bad enough to disturb or stop their nation from working and functioning?  There are plenty of very potential SHTF events that are simply awaiting a catalyst to trigger them.


•    The Non-Prepper (NP) has to realize right off the bat that 911 and other emergency calls in will be met with silence or some recording telling the caller not to panic.
•   The (NP) that has no reliable self-defence that can stop an attacker, will not get help from public services and will become a victim of rape, assault, torture, or murder.
•   The (NP) that has no reliable self-defence and will not only be at the mercy of criminal elements but also have to contend with many desperate animals, some with rabies.
•   The (NP) that has no food will either have to find food or be ready to beg for food or worse, like sacrificing their bodies or other horrible acts or things to get a bite of food.
•   The (NP) will have to go through the worst, most rancid conditions of garbage to just maybe find what they should have stored up.
•   The (NP) will go through panic and near if not total psychosis looking for any water source right before their bodies begin shutting down during advanced stages of dehydration.
•   The (NP) will go through unbearable trauma when their children and other people around them are crying, screaming, and suffering from intense hunger pains in their stomachs.
•    The (NP) will have to deal with the awful stench of rotting wastes from many sources because they have not taken the effort to even store up waste disposal plastic bags.
•   The (NP) will have disease and pathogens everywhere, not only because they have no trash disposal means, but because they haven’t prepared how to deal with trash and waste.
•   The (NP) will have to live in very primitive conditions after things around them deteriorate rapidly because they have neglected to put away anything to make life more bearable.
•   The (NP) and those around them will likely develop all sorts of infective skin rashes from the lack of insight of storing up toilet paper.  Imagine the smell for a moment.
•   The (NP) will have to handle biting insects and other vermin that will collect amongst the filth that will pile up.  No pest control stored up along with no other supplies.
•   The (NP) will have no way of treating sickness certain to follow a SHTF event, no first aid and likely no training or knowledge about how to treat the ill on top of this.
•   The (NP) will have sick and dying people around them because of not being able to treat minor injuries.  Didn’t even stock up on disinfection.  Unsanitary conditions lead to infection.
•   The (NP) and others around them will experience much grief as they watch helplessly as their family members literally die of starvation right in front of their eyes.
•   The (NP) won’t believe how desperate hunger drives them and those that mean everything to them to “trying” to eat food that tastes so bad it gags them and comes back up.
•   The (NP) will likely have family and friends around them that have also not prepared to commit suicide because they can’t take it any longer.
•   The (NP) will witness some of those people around them lose any sense of civilized humanity in them and behave like wild animals after some time from lack of necessities.
•   The (NP) and family members, maybe friends also, will at some point end up barbecuing or eating raw the family dog, cat, bird, any pet dear to everyone for food.
•   The (NP) will likely get into physical fights with other family members over any scrap of food available as rational thoughts are lost to wanton hunger.
•   The (NP) as many other (NP’s) will eventually go out of any safety of their home looking for food and or water, become disorientated and lost, and die a hard death somewhere.
•   The (NP) that is “lucky” enough to find some government help will likely have to almost sell their soul, probably all their freedom, to get tiny rations – just enough to keep them alive.
•   The (NP) will see widespread violence and barbarism that will shock them to the core and will wish that they had purchased some form of firearm and stocked up on ammunition.
•   The (NP) better get used to attempting to explain the children and other adults why they wasted all that money on junk and didn’t buy any emergency food and other supplies.
•   The (NP), no matter how positive they are will drop quickly into depression and lose willpower as having nothing to hold on to does this, along with lack of any nutrition.
•   The (NP) will feel the worst guilt imaginable as they hear their family moaning in anguish from lack of anything to eat, knowing they could have done something to prepare.
•   The (NP) will most likely not see the rebuilding and recovery after A SHTF event. They will, like almost all NP’s, be statistics.  Some will die hours or a day before help arrives.
•   The (NP) from lack of food, drinking bad water, no light at night, the horrid smells, no good self-defence, the overall horror, will often be paralyzed with fear and despair, blank stare.
•   The (NP) is totally helpless after SHTF, will have to rely totally on charity of those prepared to live.  They will take all sorts of desperate measures likely to get them shot.  They’ll attempt to eat hazardous foods like an animal trapped in a house will do and get sick and suffer much before dying.  The (NP) will likely die (ugly and hard) as they lived, unprepared for anything.

If we were to use one single word to describe the torments that someone who “chooses” not to prepare will go through after a true you know what hits the fan it would be “PREVENTABLE”. Almost every single person, even a very poor person, has the capacity to put away emergency food and supplies.  Even homeless people have stashes of something just in case things become so bad that the normal handouts and thrown-away items dry up.  Many people with good sources of income don’t even have an extra can of food or any water put away at all. This is stupidity beyond words. Every day lightweight disasters happen in all parts of the world that disturb services enough that people are confined to their homes for a certain amount of time.  While recovery is short, people are still uncomfortable during these times.  Look what happens after a power outage at night and you will be mystified at how many homes are completely dark for hours.  People have not even bought an extra couple of candles or any battery-operated light sources.  Even in well-to-do neighborhoods, you may hear only a lone generator going after a blackout.  This lack of preparedness is truly frightening and plays itself out again, again, and again every time services are disrupted for minor to major reasons.  It’s as if there is something wrong with storing extra food, water, and supplies. Even after “lessons” played out to what happens to those non-prepared, most people still feel that it just cannot happen to them or won’t ever happen to them again.  It should be proof enough to people what happens to those unprepared after disasters simply by looking at those that have gone through it firsthand.  The difference, though, comes in that these disasters have had recovery periods and help from others. Even Haiti received some help and conditions remain putrid over there.

After a TRUE SHTF, it is presumable that government help and others coming to the aid of those in need WON’T happen for long periods of time. During that time those that have chosen to not put food, water, and necessities away are going to be in life-threatening positions.  Most people just don’t get that when the supermarket shelves are empty they will stay that way for an extended period.  When the utilities go down, especially water, it may be weeks, months, or longer before they come back, if ever.  Without what someone needs to survive each day, it is not going to magically appear, and depending on the goodwill of others to feed them and sacrifice their own family’s survival chances is a terrible choice. People MUST know what life will be like after SHTF in mega fashion if they refuse to prepare.  This is NOT new. Terrible events have plunged people into the deepest levels of desperation and hopelessness, and they will happen again and again. While the above consequences to the non-prepper are extremely abysmal for anyone to read, the simple fact of the matter is they have already happened time and time again to those that have nothing put away.  People have resorted to cannibalism and gone to levels of primitive savage behavior out of sheer desperation and out of literally losing their minds to the physical depletion of food and water that keeps the physical body operating.  Sometimes showing the extreme severity and results of a person’s lack of action, such as failure of the simple act of putting away extra food, water, and supplies, can be the kick in the complacency that they need.


It’s really easy to put away food and supplies. All one has to do is add a little bit of extra food to the grocery cart for long-term storage. Over time this adds up to a well-stocked pantry of supplies. There is something that is in a can of food that everyone can eat and enjoy the taste of, so talk to family members about their nutritional preferences and start stocking up.  Toilet paper and other supplies that really don’t have any expiration date can be put away and forgotten about ’til needed. There MUST be common sense and intelligence to see what happens IF they don’t stock up for the future.  There has to be the DESIRE to get started, and this is the real problem with so many. Once started, however, prepping becomes a type of life-saving routine or positive lifestyle habit.   It is easy and can and will save one from misery. It may save their life and the lives of their family from ruin when SHTF, which is almost inevitably going to happen someday. 


Every month and year that goes by without a true SHTF event, makes it more likely that it will happen.  Basic statistical chance shows this to be the case, but people continue the same pattern of behavior that has led them to the same devastation countless time before. For those preppers that have people around them that refuse to prepare, you can at least have some degree of solace knowing that you tried to show the non-prepping person(s) what not having anything will mean to them and their families. All we can do is try. Once we’ve given it our best shot, all we can do is let those who have been warned about the direness of the possibilities live their lives the way that want to. They will, unfortunately, live in a world of regret and suffering if the nation and the world fall apart around them.


To every action, there is an opposite equal reaction. Preppers will see their efforts have been more than worth it.  Objects that are motionless tend to remain motionless and non-preppers will find there are horrific consequences for their lack of effort and motion to put away “life insurance” preps for themselves and their families.

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SELCO: Strategy and Mobility Are More Important Than Storing Lots of Physical Things for the SHTF


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Years after my SHTF I am definitely better prepared and organized for anything similar in the future, but just like all things in prepping it is so easy to get again in the same false feeling of being “secure.”

Once it was, “Oh it can never happen here.” Now it can be, “I am much better prepared now, I am safe.”

We all sooner or later get ourselves in a situation where when we buy physical things for SHTF, we are actually buying the feeling of safety and peace of mind. I try to avoid that, but of course just like everybody else I often find myself there.

One of the questions that I get often goes like this: “What would you choose to have now for SHTF after going once through it?” And it is easy to answer it more or less.

But taking into consideration how most preppers prepare for SHTF I must say that while a lot of things would be easier, the same problems would be there even with having a lot of physical things stored for SHTF.

Here are some examples.

Security and resources

Of course, I could have used more weapon at that time, and more ammo, especially at the beginning of everything when there was complete and absolute chaos everywhere. It was a time when you still do not know exactly who is dangerous and where you can go to be safe.

In that period of time, it is, as I mentioned before, it is best to stay put, and even better to have some resources and means to defend that resources.

So yes, I could have used more of both at that time – better resources and better means to defend it.

But do not mistake that and think with a lot of resources and means to defend it you have completely solved your problems. Actually, you need to have a philosophy and strategy to be able to have that for a prolonged period of time. Which brings you again to the point where you will have to go out and “interact” with people on one or other way.

You can not interact (trade, negotiate, barter, fight…) if you do not have strategy and skills for that, a network of trusted people, great knowledge of your surroundings (different groups of people, customs, criminal mindset, communication skills, fighting skills…)

So do not get me wrong here. I would love if I had more physical things at that time, it would helped me a lot. But in the end, it would have turned out similar-interacting with other folks. It would be easier yes and it would take longer, but again it would come again to that interaction.

And do not think that interaction means sitting in an armchair and shooting at people who are attacking your home. It means a lot more then that.

Mobility

No matter how much physical things I would love to have had in that time, or that I wish to have for some future time, here is one other thing that preppers often forget.

Mobility.

It is much more important to be mobile than to have a lot of physical things with you in your home.

Now again, do not take this “mobility” too literally. It does not mean that you only need to have a backpack and weapon and head to the hills or wilderness when the SHTF.

Actually, it means lot more then that.

When SHTF, there are huge chances that you are gonna be forced to abandon your home, either because you are bugging out or you temporarily have to leave, or whatever. There is no sense of putting “all the money” in your home.

Develop a strategy where you can be highly mobile, but still have resources, either through survival caches, or a BOL. Have multiple plans where you gonna go in case of some serious event. Have multiple planned ways to there, have a network of people who might help you on the way there (and vice versa).

In the best-case scenario yes, you may stay at your home. But most probably you are not gonna be able to stay there all the time.

So, no matter how much physical things you have – do not count on the belief that it will be possible to keep it with you in your home.

Be ready to be mobile, not to blindly run away. Have a strategy ready for that.

Recognizing signs of the coming SHTF

Let’s be honest here. No matter where you live today, you can probably say that things are going to s..t.

Does that mean that you (or I) will blindly go to survival mode? No, actually.  We will try to enjoy our life as much is possible, otherwise what is the point?

Yeah, there are chances that we gonna recognize the arrival of the SHTF and that we will act accordingly. But chances are bigger that we will be caught in the middle of it by surprise.

And then?

The whole point of survival is to act properly in a given situation. You are still gonna be ahead of the of majority of folks around you. So, while the majority of people are panicking you will act according to the situation.

And that is good enough.

For me, there is not too much sense in living in fear of possible collapse. Enjoy your life while things are more or less okay.

Conclusion

As a form of conclusion here, there is the thought that no matter how much physical stuff you have ready for SHTF, it will not save you from all the hard work when it happens.

It will make things easier for you, and that is great because every help is gonna be appreciated, but you still gonna need to have strategies for interacting with the people around you once when SHTF. In my book, Dark Secrets of Survival, I shared some stories about those interactions. (Available in PDF or paperback.)

It is much better to develop those strategies before SHTF, while you have time and choices.

Once the SHTF is happening, the events unfold around you at a different speed.  Or we may say “frequency” so it is hard to “tune in” to all that and stay safe.

Here is only one example – trade. It is such a huge topic on all survival forum everywhere, with people fantasizing about trade when SHTF. But point of it is to be ready for trade before SHTF, and it can be to have strategy about: what is gonna be needed in your region, what is easier to sell (to carry, trade), what kind of groups of people living around you, what they prefer, what kind of organisation will emerge and own black market and what that means for you, where are possible trade places…

There is a lot that you can think about today, before the SHTF.

About the Author Selco:

Selco survived the Balkan war of the 90s in a city under siege, without electricity, running water, or food distribution.

In his online works, he gives an inside view of the reality of survival under the harshest conditions. He reviews what works and what doesn’t, tells you the hard lessons he learned, and shares how he prepares today.

He never stopped learning about survival and preparedness since the war. Regardless what happens, chances are you will never experience extreme situations as Selco did. But you have the chance to learn from him and how he faced death for months.

Real survival is not romantic or idealistic. It is brutal, hard and unfair. Let Selco take you into that world.


Read more of Selco's articles here. https://www.theorganicprepper.com/category/preppers/selco/ 
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Re: Preparing and learning how to survive when SHTF
« Reply #63 on: April 08, 2019, 11:43:35 AM »
He sounds like someone who has really been through the test, rather than just chatting about it.

Here was a really interesting article on his site about how they handled Christmas during the Balkan War:

https://www.theorganicprepper.com/interview-with-selco-stories-from-an-shtf-christmas/

Regarding his comments about socialist countries being mostly secular about Christmas - one of my sons is less religious than the other one, and we didn't go to Meeting last Christmas, but my less-religious son chose to read the Christmas passage from the Bible out loud, and it totally blew me away, his voice and reading were so beautiful.  It added a special note to the holiday without need for a lot of "bells and whistles."  Even if one doesn't believe in the details of the story, there's so much to it symbolically that one need not be religious to find meaning in it.

Am personally hoping to get around to filling one bucket of small items to remember one year's worth of family birthdays and holidays: dark chocolate candy bars, a bottle of red wine, small games, books...you get the idea.  Then if SHTF lasts longer than one year, it might be necessary to scavenge for gifts for each other, just in the local countryside that is.  Am thinking it could boost morale and prevent suicidal thoughts from occurring if things get really bad.  It might also be nice to have a few spare items to help neighbors through a tough holiday...

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Re: Preparing and learning how to survive when SHTF
« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2019, 04:12:08 PM »
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Develop a strategy where you can be highly mobile, but still have resources, either through survival caches, or a BOL. Have multiple plans where you gonna go in case of some serious event. Have multiple planned ways to there, have a network of people who might help you on the way there (and vice versa).

Thanks for sharing! Socrates has talked about "being mobile" in a number of his recent posts too ..

Max
 
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Re: Preparing and learning how to survive when SHTF
« Reply #65 on: April 10, 2019, 09:05:03 AM »
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Develop a strategy where you can be highly mobile, but still have resources, either through survival caches, or a BOL. Have multiple plans where you gonna go in case of some serious event. Have multiple planned ways to there, have a network of people who might help you on the way there (and vice versa).

Thanks for sharing! Socrates has talked about "being mobile" in a number of his recent posts too ..

Max

Thank you Max, :)

Yes, not all of us have a location that we hope will be safe in the aftertime, so I will be trying to put together some basic “bug out” mobile thoughts for those that will need to be mobile. But, not just for those; it’s also very important for us that THINK we’re secure in our off grid or rural homes, where we have spent years collecting and storing everything we think we’ll need after SHTF/Planet X/Whatever might come down the pike. We need to realize that nowhere is perfectly safe and regardless of if we want to believe that we will be safe and able to continue some sort of “normal” life which we hopefully will be reasonably comfortable with. That is, once we’ve wrapped our heads around whatever has happened.

Regardless of how well planed survival plans we have worked on for years, there is always going to be the possibility that one day, we might find ourselves being forced to be mobile and leave everything we’ve been preparing behind.

No matter how many well thought out preparations we have made, you can never prepare for everything. You should never depend 100% on just one survival scenario or location. You will also need to have a plan B, plan C and so on.

I believe that preparing even for those not so pleasant scenarios will make at least the phycological issues of being forced to not just dealing with the SHTF we’ve been preparing for in our what we thought would be safe locations but, also a or a few plans on what to do if those initial plans/locations “head south” and we find ourselves forced to perhaps leave at a moments notice, hopefully being able to at least grab that one vital bag on the way out or, having that bag stashed somewhere safe, away from our primary safe location.

Having preparations for a more complex bug out bag with most of the major necessities we will need to be able to keep us alive and safe, until we are able to find a more secure location, or until we might be able to go back to wherever our initial location is. Hidden caches a fair distance from our original location that we would be able to get access to once we feel comfortable that we’re not followed, that will have the “heavier” items we would need that would be difficult if not impossible to carry in a back pack for any length of time, along with more long-term stored foods, seeds and other items that will make it possible to start over.

Things that will help us not only survive but give us hope that just because our first well planned scenario didn’t work out, we have a second chance, even if it means having to survive differently from our original plan.

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Re: Preparing and learning how to survive when SHTF
« Reply #66 on: April 10, 2019, 03:28:28 PM »
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Yes, not all of us have a location that we hope will be safe in the aftertime, so I will be trying to put together some basic “bug out” mobile thoughts for those that will need to be mobile.

Looking forward to the discussion of such!

Socrates has shared a lot of good ideas as well on this topic in various recent posts ..
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