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Battery type size what is best for you
« on: April 07, 2010, 02:12:34 PM »
This area should cover battery info. type, price, size, lifespan, setup, charging, etc.

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Re: Battery type size what is best for you
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2010, 06:30:04 PM »
You can choose many types of batteries for your system, I have lead acid about 1000 amp hours at 12 volts. this will power most of my needs, led lighting water pumps and air flow for the better part of a week if I do not waste power, this is assuming I do not charge the system at all these should last eight to ten years if you are lucky output dropping off as time goes on you should be able to find many of these from cars after a disaster get them before they die do not wait.
If you have the money buy some Nickle Iron Edison batteries for the long haul you can buy them from two sources new that I know of BeUtilityFree in the U.S.A. made in China and Iron Core in Australia made in China the only place that makes them still. BeUtillityFree  has not been a good experience, Iron Core in Australia seems like a better company they both have a lock on sales no one else sells them new. now if you have a little do it yourself in you you can buy used real made in the U.S.A. antique Edison batteries from one source that I know of they are very rare this mans father and grandfather bought tens thousands from the military and railroads and resold them for less money then new with a better then new guarantee his grandfather was sued by Thomas Alva Edison and Edison lost he has a few hundred left I have a few thousand amp hours worth of them and they will be with me until I die and then go to my boys who like them almost as much. this post is getting a little long most had not been charged in 30-40 years he put a heavy charge to them brought them in January they sat outside until March I brought them in warmed them up and ran heavy loads for a long time I was impressed to say the least they weight about 550 pounds for a ten cell set and case for the c-8 450 amp hours battery I bought many sets he is in New York and brought them to me in two trips and he is a great guy to deal with these are not new the cases are bad and there will be a few bad cell I will have to fix but he will if you buy a few sets make it up with extra cells but you would have to work that out with him. I would never push any one person but he is the only one I have ever found selling them they are better then the new China batteries and 1/8th the price but you need to give them some TLC new electrolyte new case etc. his Name is Hawley Smith you can sometimes find him on EBAY I will have to ask him if I can put his email on this site I will talk about the good and bad of these batteries another time or look them up they have their place in a time with no grid power for many years.

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Re: Battery type size what is best for you
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2010, 06:11:02 PM »
 In one of my other posts I said I would add contact info. For Nickle Iron batteries antiques made in the U.S.A. they are some of the last in the country. he said it was O.K. to contact him Hawley Smith his email is liftron2000@yahoo.com he lives in New York. He is a very nice guy if he leaves a phone number and you talk have your questions ready and a fuel charge on you cell battery.

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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2010, 09:30:53 PM »
I would love to have some of those, but I would be broke going to NY. My vehicle caused the last gas shortage,,

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Re: Battery type size what is best for you
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2010, 04:53:03 AM »
Icon I feel your pain my daily driver is a 2000 Diesel Ford Excursion. Send him a email leave your phone number, he works all over the country he shipped my batteries to Michigan in two trips, and he was going to ship them to Montana to my brother my brother changed his mind he is building a new house, he may have a job in Washington latter this year and he may charge less then you think if you can  wait until you are on his or close to his trip path.

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Re: Battery type size what is best for you
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2010, 02:09:13 PM »
Please look over this link I posted.
My electrical is a battery, so can work for a long time. Yes to be fair is not done yet, but a lot of progress into it. I think this is important to have electricity.
I put "my strategy" into so you can input your ideas.
http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=440.msg9530#msg9530

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Re: Battery type size what is best for you
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2019, 06:52:17 PM »
Am reposting a very important comment that Ilinda had made a while back on another thread regarding the new silicon batteries, as battery technology has had an entire decade of advancement since this thread was first begun:

https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,6582.msg99624.html#msg99624

This breakthrough in deep cycle battery technology completely changes the game for off-grid battery banks, and I feel that we need to keep a close eye on it.

Am leaning toward our next battery bank being silicon graphite crystal technology rather than silicon lithium, which may be a fire hazard as any other lithium battery would potentially be.

There is no cathode with this technology, and it's called a supercapacitor rather than a battery sometimes.

Most importantly, my understanding is that these have an indefinite shelf life, unlike other batteries except for the dry mix ("mix your own electrolyte") type.  All others gradually lose power on the shelf and cannot be revived, if I understand correctly.  This may be significant to anyone wanting spares in case state-of-the art deep cycle batteries might become scarce at some point in the future - especially if critical survival functions depend upon one or more batteries.

Please post thoughts, brands, companies, prices, etc. here if you find this topic useful!



http://www.siliconebatteries.ca/

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Re: Battery type size what is best for you
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2019, 07:11:32 PM »
Small silicon batteries exist on the market too:

https://www.silicon-power.com/web//vi/product-202

They are advertised as withstanding "external short circuit", which makes me wonder if they could be EMP-proof?

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Silicon-Power-Ultra-Alkaline-AAA-Batteries-40-Count/54317149

https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-Household-Batteries-Bulk-Packaging/dp/B01EHQRYKG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1548212524&sr=8-3&keywords=SILICON+battery

Possible drawback: So far am not finding that the smaller ones are rechargeable.


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Re: Battery type size what is best for you
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2019, 03:16:24 AM »
More advantages of silicon batteries:

*Green technology doesn't harm the environment

*Non-corrosive

*No acid mist emissions.
 
*15 year lifespan, depending on the application, depth of discharge and usage of usable cycles.  With up to 2200 usable cycles the SP battery has approximately 3 times more usable cycles than the lead acid battery that has approximately 600 to 800 usable cycles when used in the same application.
 
*The GS battery life design is 10 years, depending on the application, depth of discharge and usage of usable cycles, with up to 1600 usable cycles the GS battery has approximately 2 times more usable cycles than the lead acid battery that has approximately 600 to 800 usable cycles when used in the same application.
 
*Higher recharge and discharge capability than a lead-acid battery

*Lower internal resistance

*Little or no visible temperature rise during usage

*Higher capacity and higher current output making the silicone battery a more dependable, reliable and durable power source.
 
*Durable power in extreme temperature conditions when required.
 
*Electrolyte is PH neutral therefore after the normal life-cycle of the battery has expired, the electrolyte can be used as a high grade fertilizer and the rest of the battery recycled.
 
*Silicone batteries are non-explosive and do not require ventilation or cooling systems

*Maintenance free (tightly sealed); no liquid spillage therefore, no Dangerous Goods Certificate required for transportation.
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Re: Battery type size what is best for you
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2019, 05:19:21 AM »
Why a car battery is different from an off-grid house battery, as I understand it:

A car battery has thin plates and is designed with high starting amps and less ability to be deeply discharged and recharged repeatedly.  For example, our vehicles in the North need batteries with nearly 1,000 cranking amps in the winter if parked outside.  The power discharged to start the engine is then immediately topped off by the alternator.

A solar or off-grid house battery has thick plates and is designed to be deeply discharged and recharged repeatedly and slowly.  Batteries in our bank are around 200 amps each.

Please feel free to alter this explanation if you see it differently. 

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Re: Battery type size what is best for you
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2019, 06:38:40 PM »
Am reposting a very important comment that Ilinda had made a while back on another thread regarding the new silicon batteries, as battery technology has had an entire decade of advancement since this thread was first begun:

https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,6582.msg99624.html#msg99624

This breakthrough in deep cycle battery technology completely changes the game for off-grid battery banks, and I feel that we need to keep a close eye on it.

Am leaning toward our next battery bank being silicon graphite crystal technology rather than silicon lithium, which may be a fire hazard as any other lithium battery would potentially be.

There is no cathode with this technology, and it's called a supercapacitor rather than a battery sometimes.

Most importantly, my understanding is that these have an indefinite shelf life, unlike other batteries except for the dry mix ("mix your own electrolyte") type.  All others gradually lose power on the shelf and cannot be revived, if I understand correctly.  This may be significant to anyone wanting spares in case state-of-the art deep cycle batteries might become scarce at some point in the future - especially if critical survival functions depend upon one or more batteries.

Please post thoughts, brands, companies, prices, etc. here if you find this topic useful!



http://www.siliconebatteries.ca/
We did get two of these silicon batteries after setting up the original starter system.  They are from some Canadian company, but are sold through Backwoods Solar, at least as of two years ago.

I also tried to buy a couple of silicon lawn tractor batteries directly from that Canadian company, but they told me to buy then through BWSolar.  But BWSolar says they don't sell any of the silicon batteries, except what they advertise in their catalog.  The Canadian company's website shows many, many different types of these batteries, but I could never get the guy to be forthright about where to get some of the other batteries.

They were billed as being extremely long lasting, and mention was made that the military has been using some of them for 15 years, with no signs of wearing out.  As soon as I can find my papers on these batteries, will post more info., plus hopefully pictures of the batteries themselves.


 

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