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« on: April 20, 2010, 02:36:10 PM »
I am not sure what is going to be needed given all the possible scenarios for 2012 and beyond.  This is a good a place as any to talk about what YOU are going to do and maybe that will help others to consider their options.
Because I do not think I will survive much past the initial problems I have not thought much about shelter, but those of you who plan on surviving will need to consider much.   Worst case is that most will either be washed away or burned up. 

What is left then but the land, soil, dirt and that is the basis of all.    I remember years ago of seeing a sod house, well not much sod left but there might be.  I also remember in a "Mother Earth" magazine reading about rammed earth homes.   I also read about people digging homes into the ground, heavy clay and in some place rock.  I think there are place in Australia where living in dug caves is common. 
Okay this is a start lets hear some other ideas.

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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2010, 09:00:25 PM »
I am not sure what is going to be needed given all the possible scenarios for 2012 and beyond.  This is a good a place as any to talk about what YOU are going to do and maybe that will help others to consider their options.
Because I do not think I will survive much past the initial problems I have not thought much about shelter, but those of you who plan on surviving will need to consider much.   Worst case is that most will either be washed away or burned up. 

What is left then but the land, soil, dirt and that is the basis of all.    I remember years ago of seeing a sod house, well not much sod left but there might be.  I also remember in a "Mother Earth" magazine reading about rammed earth homes.   I also read about people digging homes into the ground, heavy clay and in some place rock.  I think there are place in Australia where living in dug caves is common. 
Okay this is a start lets hear some other ideas.

Hello Carl,
well here's hoping you will be OK during the coming changes.
I don't have my land or shelter yet.
There have been diferent ideas posted on the forum. Including the Town Hall. I feel these would probably stand up to the earth changes:
Steel shipping containers, reinforced across the sides and top corners. I'm guessing that wood would be OK.

RVs and trailers set down in the earth, reinforcement structure set over it.
Before it's set in, the drainage system needs to be in and tall vents for air and etc. Then all or partly buried.

Oil tanker shells- professionally cleaned out - create a shelter... it's
been done will post some links...

Big cement pipes turned into a home. The ends need to be secured. Has to be a way to get out... buried too.

Reinforced concrete monolithic domes... not much in the way of windows. Or none. A hatch at the top ladder going down/Submarine type door at top and etc. Bermed over with pipes set in leading to surface.

You probably saw this,
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2010, 07:56:48 PM »
Hi Carl, Barb and all,

For those who can understand a little of spanish, there is an interesting video from Biovivienda (bio-home) which I found very interesting. The spanish spoken in the video is pretty fast, the way people from Spain (specially Madrid) love to speak. It is fast for me at least, not a spanish language native. But I do recommend watching it.

http://www.biovivienda.com/video-demo.html

BR to all,

Carlos

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2010, 03:32:42 AM »
Hi Carl, Barb and all,

For those who can understand a little of spanish, there is an interesting video from Biovivienda (bio-home) which I found very interesting. The spanish spoken in the video is pretty fast, the way people from Spain (specially Madrid) love to speak. It is fast for me at least, not a spanish language native. But I do recommend watching it.

http://www.biovivienda.com/video-demo.html

BR to all,

Carlos

Carl thank you for posting this video,
Going to copy this and put it over in the European section.
International Survival > EU Continental > Miscellaneous videos, postings in German, French, Spanish etc.

http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=311.0

Carlos, este v
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2010, 05:38:31 PM »
OR, for only $50,000 dollars you could buy your way into a shelter for 1 year. 8)
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/timeshare-doomsday-shelters/6azjpwr?q=Natural+disaster&rel=msn&from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=42007
Sigh, I guess I'll just have to tuff it out.    David
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2010, 11:54:28 PM »
OR, for only $50,000 dollars you could buy your way into a shelter for 1 year. 8)
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/timeshare-doomsday-shelters/6azjpwr?q=Natural+disaster&rel=msn&from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=42007
Sigh, I guess I'll just have to tuff it out.    David

David, this is good to know and thanks for posting. Someone reading this could get some good
out of this idea.
All The Best,
Yowbarb

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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2010, 10:45:20 AM »
I can afford about 2 hours and 20 minutes.

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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2010, 03:41:36 PM »
I can afford about 2 hours and 20 minutes.

Ed LOL :P

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2010, 07:13:52 PM »
Hi
I'm new on this forum but I'm studding all the situation for about 2 years. I'm in the next phase maybe 4 as Marshall say or just 5, I do not know but anyway is hard to tell people as they are just like Thomas. They need to see it and that is too late, way to late.
This are the plans I have and I like to share them with you and see what you think.
1. Production of electricity using a aether energy ( ZPE) and such-only. This is easy if you work on it and you have sum ...
2. Is creating communities and that is not for one, few of them , so in case one is going down, you can move up to other close or such. In this communities you will need a lot to survive for few years, so is a new life and need to start it somehow. Some adobe bricks around is good and lots of wood inside
3. I'm thinking on communities as a pentagonal or hex type of "circle" with oceanic trailers . Put them in order and put them under some movable way with a ball in each corner. Maybe some cement under or such, but I do not know yet the "base". From that put an umbrella over them and put dirt. This will create a "shelter " and that shelter should not be all in the ground, need to slide with the  crust of Earth, not opposition too much of motions. So in this containers you will have: food, other people can be in that communities, some animals, food for animals , tools ( lot's of manual tools in special), some protection, wood for stoves, medical ( homeopathy in special) and collect as many home made remedies as you can, etc. Electrical car is a must to have, as the only way in that day. A flying car will be so much better.

On number one I have an excellent way to make it happen if I have some more time.
On the people to make them to work on the same idea , this is hard in this days: first because of the economy , second because of "Thomas syndrome" and of course the third is because of the government etc. People like to be lead by gov or somebody in charge. Nobody as we know will take the "charge" from the gov. , scientific communities , banking etc. So we are alone and need to make it happen.
I notice on this issue people like to be “loaner” , so they think , they can do it only by themselves. I think this is the worst as this shift is much bigger that anybody as we know.
I have a business and I have a good web conf and later on I like to form at least group of people to "talk" over this and make plans.
So here I'm starting and I will go on with this plan and refine it as much I can. So please make your comments. later on I can put some picture from a CAD program and that will give some ideas.

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2010, 11:03:30 AM »
I would like to know as to what extent one should go to in building a shelter ...when the governments are building bases which are to hold thousands of people. the Norway seed vault etc etc . how much radiation are we talking about here ??

how long will it last ?

do we need to go to ground for years ???

I am planning on putting 3 sea cans in the ground beside the house and cover with a layer of concrete covered with dirt .

we have a significant supply of food and supplies ..

I plan on coming out the other side of this , thats for sure  8)

I also have a semi abandoned mine in the mountain just up the road from us ..so worse case we are going to go there, I could just about drive the motorhome right inside it

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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2010, 12:20:33 PM »
Wow looks like your all set.  If worse comes to worse we'll head to Tennesse's Lookout Mountain.  Ruby Falls is good place for us to go to.  It has an underground water source and even a cafateria inside the Caves.

http://rubyfalls.com

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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2010, 05:56:07 AM »
Keep in mind: 1- if you go underground all earth will push on you. so if you put all the shelter into the ground may very well crash and you have no way to get out. 2. if you go in a mine, that will tumble over you too. As is clear the crust will create a lot of pressure all over the planet.
All government underground will probably be crashed and that is good, as we need to get out clean from this pole shift. we need a new "government". if the same one will be in place, we will have all the time problem.
Is a good time to clean the house. so this is one nice part about it.

so in my opinion, need to slide with the force. up and down.

Adrian

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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2010, 12:31:57 PM »
One of the best ideas I have heard, is to dig a 3 foot deep trench system, and use it to stay away from wind and debris, yet not be deep enough that it can collapse on you. I like it.  ed

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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2010, 06:22:12 PM »
One of the best ideas I have heard, is to dig a 3 foot deep trench system, and use it to stay away from wind and debris, yet not be deep enough that it can collapse on you. I like it.  ed

This is my plan too, in case I can do it.
I plan to make a probably cement base, but I'm not sure now. As you know take time to "think" and read more and imagine.
But I like to put on top of the trailers an umbrella to have "wheels" at the end and just float on the land. some springs on the top and are of the wheels is good. So some truck wheels like Chevy suburban or such. , Under the wheels I'm thinking to get the cement with a long poll to keep it kind of strait... and bounce..
Again is a plan and I have some CAD programs and one day I will do some calculation and see what else. The cost is high...that way need to programmed..
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2010, 07:24:04 PM »
I really don't know what's going to work, but I'm sure the best solution will change with changing circumstances and new events. 

I'm doing my best to prepare for projected conditions, but I rely on God for guidance, and I follow my intuition.  From my perspective, that will be the true test of my qualification to survive the Nibiru experience.

As I go about my normal life activities, I continually look for potential solutions to the need for a variety of safe shelters, short and long term food storage, reasonable methods to preserve seeds for high-water-content foods that I like, potentially tillable soil in the aftermath, how to totally avoid (or defend against) desperados, and how to find qualified candidates that share a similar survival vision.

I can't help thinking how much 'Road Warrior' looks like Bruce Willis!  :^)

I've done a fair amount of hiking in drainage tubes, just out of curiosity, and I like YowBarb's images of conversion to sleeping quarters.   Drainage pipes are ubiquitous in populated areas, are easily accessible, and 95% of them will provide sufficient xray/gamma protection from violent solar flares. 

I have identified an unused hidden tube near my home, about 40 feet above sea level, which goes under a 6-lane highway, and has a 6' elevated section of tube near the marsh-grass inlet, which is essentially invisible and foreboding (a real plus).  This could provide temporary or prolonged emergency shelter in the event of violent solar flares.  It also has a continual flow of "fresh" mountain drainage water that could be carbon filtered with a Brita.   

When the surrounding earth ungoes violent upheaval, my sectional cement tube would simply pop up through the highway, with me still in it.  My hideout would be exposed and my tea would spill on my shirt, but I would still be alive.   The same tube inside a mountain or deep underground would most likely collapse from external pressure.  Abandoned mines occasionally collapse without an earthquake.   Options are good, but that would not be my first option, unless daytime land temperature was too high for survival.

When the earth's crust moves, metal containers will simply be crushed.  I would avoid them.

There are a few recycled Nike missile operation tunnels on the coasts.  They are fortified, are often stronger than the dirt they were placed in, and would be very good bunkers.  However, they are usually in use by state or local government agencys for something else (antenna/radio towers, storage, etc.), and fenced, heavily locked, and probably monitored with alarms and/or cameras.   Excellent bunkers, but basically inaccessible.  Those with keys would probably use them for their own survival, which is understandable.

Caves.  There are several well-known and often visited commercial caves.  When the earth's crust moves, those which survived previous Nibiru visits, will probably survive this one.  I expect operators will be quickly over-whelmed by local or traveling desperados.  As more desperate folks flock to well-known caves, I would expect cave resource usage will exceed maximum, and some must wait outside, unless they have more persuasive tools than those making the rules inside.  I think you get the picture.

However, there are many lesser known caves.  The more remote the cave, the more likely you can survive in peace with a small community that does not exceed cave resources.  If you do the cave option, be aware there are unseen dangers in caves, primarily bad air, acidic water, radon, lack of artificial lighting, cliffs, and potential for drowning.  Lava tubes make great caves, so don't dismiss them, but if volcanic activity returns, it could become warmer than you like.

Advantage of caves: constant temperature, 50-75, depending on altitude and volcanic activity, but typically 65F in low lands, 55F in mountains.  Very quiet, no TV, no computer, no iPad, no texting.  Very dark, all the time (allows 3rd eye to open). 

Use of caves in last fly-by: I recently read one passage in the Christian bible about the flight of Moses and the Israelites from Egypt, before they crossed the Red Sea on dry land.  There was a brief reference to use of caves by the Egyptians.  I don't remember the exact wording, and I don't remember any explanation of why, but in summary, they died.  Perhaps they didn't have concrete, or perhaps the weight of the mountain exceeded the strength of the cave walls.  In any case, it gave me another perspective on using caves for shelter from forces of Nibiru.

In summary, I will learn as much as I can about possible options, but in the end I will put my trust in God, follow my intuition, and be nimble on my feet. 

I hope these thoughts help some of you folks with your perspective and options.

BTW: Since you mentioned it, a ditch can provide emergency protection from an emminent solar blast of gamma/xray that makes it through the Van Allen belts, but only if you are in the shade of the dirt or cement on the side of the ditch, and remain in its shade until the blast subsides.  The rule that applies: acceptable gamma/xray mitigation requires 24+" of dirt, or 16+" of concrete.
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