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ATLANTIS
« on: May 28, 2010, 06:55:49 AM »
This Topic is about Atlantis - what it was like there and where it could be.
Please post here any ideas you have on Atlantis - any thoughts, dreams or theories.
Trying to post here an image but it turned out gargantuan will try later.
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http://www.chara-cosseyan.com/wp-content/photos/atlantis/atlantis-construction2.jpg



http://theunexplainedmysteries.com/oak/atlantiscity.jpg   Plato's Atlantis:



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Re: ATLANTIS
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2010, 07:04:49 AM »
Here is an article - or excerpts from an article on Atlantis.  The author does not believe Atlantis is under Antarctica. Post here your ideas on this...
The author has some interesting sites posted there including this one http://www.isleofavalon.co.uk/ 
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http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/interactive/antartica.htm

Atlantis as Antarctica

Ever since the great American horror writer Edgar Allen Poe wrote about a lost city in Antarctica in his `The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym', which appeared in 1838, arguments have raged on whether or not this frozen continent once supported human life.

Although Antarctica is the only major continent that has never produced any evidence of human occupation, it was Professor Charles Hapgood of Keene College, New Hampshire, who first drew attention to the fact that the continent appears on ancient portolans (port to port nautical charts) that long antedate the discovery of Antarctica by Capt. James Cooke in 1773-4. More important, some of these maps appear to show the landmass as it was before the ice obliterated its coastal features. In his opinion, these nautical charts were constructed from age-old source maps that had been copied and re-copied across many thousands of years and were the handiwork originally of a sophisticated sea-faring culture that existed as early as 7000 BC.

Hapgood pointed out that although most estimates suggest that Antarctica became icebound as much as 300,000 years ago, core samples from the Ross Sea area show evidence of pollen spectra from a relatively green environment as late as 4000 BC. He also proposes that the ice only fully engulfed the landmass following a polar shift in c. 9500 BC, a date coinciding with the end of the last Ice Age. All these ideas are outlined in Hapgood's extraordinary book Maps of the Ancient Seakings, first published in 1966.

Spurred by Hapgood's theories of a pre-ice Antarctica and a polar shift at the end of the glacial age, Canadian writers Rose and Rand Flem-ath proposed in their 1995 book When the Sky Fell that the Antarctic continent was Plato's Atlantis. They pointed out that this huge landmass matches Plato's description of the island in both the Timaeus and Critias, which he asserts was the size of Libya (North Africa) and Asia put together. Furthermore, Antarctica lies beyond the Pillars of Hercules as also stated by Plato.

Antarctica as Atlantis is an attractive proposition. However, this theory has major drawbacks. For example, Plato states that Atlantis was placed in the Atlantic Ocean which lay opposite the Pillars of Hercules, mythical rocks which stood either side of the entrance to the Mediterranean Sea. It also seems certain that the legendary island lay in the west since the name Atlantic is derived from Atlas, the Titan of Greek mythology, who was granted dominion over the lands of the Far West. This included the ancient kingdom of Mauritania (modern Morocco, Algeria and the Western Sahara) where we find Mount Atlas, which legend asserts is the petrified Titan supporting the heavens on his shoulders. Those who inhabited the region were known as the Atlantes (after Herodotus) or the Atlantioi (after Diodorus Siculus), while islands placed in the Atlantic Ocean were known as Atlantides, `daughters or Atlas'. It was from this tradition that Plato chose the name Atlantis, `daughter of Atlas', for the utopic world he describes in the Timaeus and Critias, written c. 350 BC. There is even a small island called `Atlantis' said by the Roman writer Pliny to have laid off the West African coast, although this is clearly not the same one alluded to by Plato hundreds of years beforehand.

Thus we can see that Plato's Atlantis was thought to lie in the direction of the setting sun, where the various Isles of the Blest, or Fortunate Isles, were also thought to lie, and not south in the direction of the South Pole.

In addition to these facts it can be shown that the immense size attributed by Plato to his Atlantic island empire relates not to its geographical extent but to the regions of the ocean over which the kings of Atlantis were considered to hold dominion. This is verified in the knowledge that the Atlantic Empire consisted of a whole series of islands which lay in front of an `opposite continent', an allusion most probably to the Americas, reached via a series of `other' islands. Accommodating these facts into the Antarctica-Atlantis hypothesis would mean attempting to prove that the `opposite continent' was either Australia or South America, with the `other' islands being those of Indonesia, Melanesia or Micronesia. It just does not make sense (anyway, these are the remnants of James Churchward's lost continent of Mu, and not Atlantis!).

The biggest argument against Antarctica being Atlantis is the sheer fact that no reliable evidence of human occupation has ever come to light, even though the continent really does appear on pre-discovery maps. We must therefore look elsewhere for the true location of Atlantis.

Reading list:
Hapgood, Charles, Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings, 1966, Turnstone Books, London, 1979
Flem-ath, Rand, and Rose Flem-ath, When the Sky Fell: In Search of Atlantis, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, London, 1995

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Re: ATLANTIS
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2010, 07:08:19 AM »
I don't think the previous author's theory "holds water." Atlantis could be way below the ice so it matters naught if any sign of habitation have been found yet...
I don't have a strong feeling - just a thought Atlantis is down there, based on something I read...
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Re: ATLANTIS
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2010, 07:14:37 AM »
Article on this site says Atlantis could be under Antarctica:
http://www.s8int.com/water10.html   

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Re: ATLANTIS
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2010, 07:17:54 AM »
Home Page: http://www.s8int.com/index.html

Atlantis Under Antarctica? ... Page 10
http://www.s8int.com/water10.html   

After WW II, scientists started to pay close attention to the issue of a supposedly once-existing civilization in Antarctica. The hypothesis is confirmed by some medieval maps and research of paleogeologists and glaciologists.

In January of 1820, a Lieutenant of Russian Empire Fleet, Mikhail Lazarev discovered a new continent. In the beginning of 20th century, a Russian encyclopedia, while adducing the approximate square milage of the south pole continent, reported that it was insufficiently explored and there was no flora and fauna. The author of the article also mentioned the richness of the algae and sea life.

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Twenty years later, the director of the Istanbul National Museum, Khalil Edkhem, was sorting out a library of the Byzantine emperors in an old palace. He found an ancient map made on gazelle skin. On the map, there were the shores of western and southern Africa, as well as the northern shores of Antarctica.

Khalil could not believe his eyes: the shores of the Queen Mod Land, to the south of the 70th parallel, was free of ice. An ancient cartographer marked a mountain chain there. The name of the cartographer was known: an admiral of the Ottoman Empire fleet, Piri Reis, who lived in the first half of 16th century.

The map's authenticity was without doubt. Graphology examinations of the notes on the margin confirmed that they belonged to the admiral.

In 1949, a combined British and Swedish expedition conducted intensive seismic measurements of the South Pole through the ice cap. According to the commander of 8th Technical Investigation Squadron of the US Armed Force Strategic Command, Colonel Harold Olmayer, the geographical details of the bottom part of the map (the shore of Antarctica) correspond with the results of the seismic measurements. We cannot correlate these data with the supposed level of geography in 1513.

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Re: ATLANTIS
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2010, 07:20:20 AM »
Atlantis Under Antarctica? ... Page 10
http://www.s8int.com/water10.html   

Yowbarb's Note:  Re the article,
I don't agree that the death of Atlantean civilization was primarily glaciers but at least the author does mention floods...
I feel it was a temperate climate until the pole flip and all the cataclysmic changes. So what do you think?
Post your thoughts...

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Re: ATLANTIS
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2010, 07:28:24 AM »
To me, the only thing that could make it be, what they said it was, is if it was before a pole shift, and the pole was nowhere near the location of them, now. It might have been in the earth's revolution, just as Australia is now.  Many things will be clarified soon, the way that science is progressing. The archaeological finds every day are somewhat amazing. Especially in Egypt.

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Re: ATLANTIS
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2010, 09:42:51 AM »
To me, the only thing that could make it be, what they said it was, is if it was before a pole shift, and the pole was nowhere near the location of them, now. It might have been in the earth's revolution, just as Australia is now.  Many things will be clarified soon, the way that science is progressing. The archaeological finds every day are somewhat amazing. Especially in Egypt.

Ed it's true there are amazing discoveries being unearthed all the time lately I hope someone codifies it and keeps it safe somewhere so in the Aftertimes people will still know about it...

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Re: ATLANTIS
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2010, 10:25:59 AM »
http://www.templeofpeace.net/atlanteanvisions.htm  Atlantean Visions
Yowbarb's Note: The above page mentions the writings and readings of Edgar Cayce on Atlantis.
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Re: ATLANTIS
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2010, 07:56:16 AM »
The Search for the Lost City of Atlantis
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The Search for the Lost City of Atlantis (Part 1)

The Search for the Lost City of Atlantis (Part 2)
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Re: ATLANTIS
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2010, 08:01:46 AM »
Greg Little's Search for Atlantis (Coast to Coast AM) part 1 unconditionalbs

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Re: ATLANTIS
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2011, 10:12:10 PM »
We lost a bit of this Topic a few months ago...some kind of computer problem.
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2011, 09:31:34 AM »
ANDREW COLLINS article on Atlantis

http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/interactive/antartica.htm
Atlantis as Antarctica
Ever since the great American horror writer Edgar Allen Poe wrote about a lost city in Antarctica in his `The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym', which appeared in 1838, arguments have raged on whether or not this frozen continent once supported human life.

Although Antarctica is the only major continent that has never produced any evidence of human occupation, it was Professor Charles Hapgood of Keene College, New Hampshire, who first drew attention to the fact that the continent appears on ancient portolans (port to port nautical charts) that long antedate the discovery of Antarctica by Capt. James Cooke in 1773-4. More important, some of these maps appear to show the landmass as it was before the ice obliterated its coastal features. In his opinion, these nautical charts were constructed from age-old source maps that had been copied and re-copied across many thousands of years and were the handiwork originally of a sophisticated sea-faring culture that existed as early as 7000 BC.

Hapgood pointed out that although most estimates suggest that Antarctica became icebound as much as 300,000 years ago, core samples from the Ross Sea area show evidence of pollen spectra from a relatively green environment as late as 4000 BC. He also proposes that the ice only fully engulfed the landmass following a polar shift in c. 9500 BC, a date coinciding with the end of the last Ice Age. All these ideas are outlined in Hapgood's extraordinary book Maps of the Ancient Seakings, first published in 1966.

Spurred by Hapgood's theories of a pre-ice Antarctica and a polar shift at the end of the glacial age, Canadian writers Rose and Rand Flem-ath proposed in their 1995 book When the Sky Fell that the Antarctic continent was Plato's Atlantis. They pointed out that this huge landmass matches Plato's description of the island in both the Timaeus and Critias, which he asserts was the size of Libya (North Africa) and Asia put together. Furthermore, Antarctica lies beyond the Pillars of Hercules as also stated by Plato.

Antarctica as Atlantis is an attractive proposition. However, this theory has major drawbacks. For example, Plato states that Atlantis was placed in the Atlantic Ocean which lay opposite the Pillars of Hercules, mythical rocks which stood either side of the entrance to the Mediterranean Sea. It also seems certain that the legendary island lay in the west since the name Atlantic is derived from Atlas, the Titan of Greek mythology, who was granted dominion over the lands of the Far West. This included the ancient kingdom of Mauritania (modern Morocco, Algeria and the Western Sahara) where we find Mount Atlas, which legend asserts is the petrified Titan supporting the heavens on his shoulders. Those who inhabited the region were known as the Atlantes (after Herodotus) or the Atlantioi (after Diodorus Siculus), while islands placed in the Atlantic Ocean were known as Atlantides, `daughters or Atlas'. It was from this tradition that Plato chose the name Atlantis, `daughter of Atlas', for the utopic world he describes in the Timaeus and Critias, written c. 350 BC. There is even a small island called `Atlantis' said by the Roman writer Pliny to have laid off the West African coast, although this is clearly not the same one alluded to by Plato hundreds of years beforehand.

Thus we can see that Plato's Atlantis was thought to lie in the direction of the setting sun, where the various Isles of the Blest, or Fortunate Isles, were also thought to lie, and not south in the direction of the South Pole.

In addition to these facts it can be shown that the immense size attributed by Plato to his Atlantic island empire relates not to its geographical extent but to the regions of the ocean over which the kings of Atlantis were considered to hold dominion. This is verified in the knowledge that the Atlantic Empire consisted of a whole series of islands which lay in front of an `opposite continent', an allusion most probably to the Americas, reached via a series of `other' islands. Accommodating these facts into the Antarctica-Atlantis hypothesis would mean attempting to prove that the `opposite continent' was either Australia or South America, with the `other' islands being those of Indonesia, Melanesia or Micronesia. It just does not make sense (anyway, these are the remnants of James Churchward's lost continent of Mu, and not Atlantis!).

The biggest argument against Antarctica being Atlantis is the sheer fact that no reliable evidence of human occupation has ever come to light, even though the continent really does appear on pre-discovery maps. We must therefore look elsewhere for the true location of Atlantis.

Reading list:
Hapgood, Charles, Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings, 1966, Turnstone Books, London, 1979
Flem-ath, Rand, and Rose Flem-ath, When the Sky Fell: In Search of Atlantis, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, London, 1995



 

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