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Re: Allan Savory
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2020, 06:29:49 PM »

- disturbance of earth is key and soil benefit trumps that of plants and animals
- grazing should be planned, and that intelligently [what Savory calls "holistically" (keeping recuperation of plants, local demands and other variables in mind)]
- herd behavior is key to disturbance of earth
- herd density is key to both disturbance and herd behavior
- benefit to the farmer (i.e. applying the above principles) is essential, for if the farmer fails, the corporation comes in [like a friggin' virus laying in wait]
This has probably been mentioned before, but when I read all this stuff about mob grazing, soil disturbance, etc., I always think about how the American Bison was a master as all of what is needed for healthy soils and ecosystems.

It is said that they shape and configuration of bison hooves, being different from that of cattle, allows their hooves to penetrate deeper, yet do less damage than cattle.  And if you've ever seen a herd of bison who has been spooked, or just maybe spooked themselves, you'll see them thunder across an area just like it appeared in the movies when you were a kid!  And then when they're calm, they slow down and continue grazing. 

It is my understanding that the reason conventional cattle farmers must "brush-hog" or disc their fields once a year is to help eradicate or at least keep at bay the constant array of sapling and seedling trees that keep cropping up.  Apparently bison's hooves demolished  the roots and shoots of the little trees, and modern-day disc-ing is a feeble attempt to mimic bison hooves.  And anyone with goats, llamas, alpacas, etc., will have the same problem with trees sprouting everywhere, and will be tied to once-yearly brush-hogging or disciing.  Maybe bison would be better than goats, at least for the land.

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Re: bison
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2020, 12:26:51 PM »
I've also heard that they eat differently than cows, that they don't eat down to the roots but that if cows are left on a piece of land long enough [i.e. too long], that they'll uproot the grass, thereby destroying it.
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Re: bison
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2020, 04:24:26 PM »
I've also heard that they eat differently than cows, that they don't eat down to the roots but that if cows are left on a piece of land long enough [i.e. too long], that they'll uproot the grass, thereby destroying it.
I have certainly heard for years and years that horses do exactly that--they will eat the grass down to the tiniest nubbin.  Now, it's also possible that horses do this because they are overstocked and there are just too many per acre.  But still am betting dollars to donuts that both horses and cattle DO eat vegetation too short, whereas bison just move on.  If bison are not provided enough vegetation, they will just escape our puny little fences and find what they need!

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Re: bison
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2020, 12:15:21 AM »
Well, if we're to believe Allan Savory and people like Greg Judy, what the dust bowl states need are people going out to lease a few hundred acres and start herding bison.

I'll tell you, again and again Allan Savory says the world's two greatest problems are overpopulation and degredation of soil. I dare say he's 100% correct and that what America and Americans need are great herds of bison roaming the land again. And, apparently, there's also a great business opportunity there for y'all.
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Re: bison
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2020, 01:45:30 PM »
Well, if we're to believe Allan Savory and people like Greg Judy, what the dust bowl states need are people going out to lease a few hundred acres and start herding bison.

I'll tell you, again and again Allan Savory says the world's two greatest problems are overpopulation and degredation of soil. I dare say he's 100% correct and that what America and Americans need are great herds of bison roaming the land again. And, apparently, there's also a great business opportunity there for y'all.
I agree with you and with Savory, but one of those topics is a real Hot-Button Issue, and maybe both might be, but people get less red-faced and screamy when the bison issue comes up in conversation.

If I heard that suddenly the Feds cancelled all cattle-grazing-on-public-lands leases, and were planning to restore native Bison to the plains, with the help of more knowledgeable NativeAmericans, I would be delighted, even if it means cattle ranchers might have to use their own lands for their livestock business/hobby.

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overpopulation
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2020, 03:34:27 PM »
Overpopulation is mainly a political issue and i do have a political solution for it, but from a survival point of view, one really needs to be aware of The Billings Method, if for no other reason than because condoms and contraceptives will one day be gone. People today fear using such a natural method and instead rather rely on the exceedingly dangerous and harmfull pharmaceutical one [that's really just professionals playing with hormonal forces they don't understand].

Politically i say the answer is simple because most industrialized people average less than 2 children per family/couple. That means that population density would go down if that trend were supported.
However, instead, like in The Netherlands, the government [read: taxpayers] will cough up whatever costs are incurred by people having more children. I say that's both untenable and unfair, particularly because immigrants have many times more children than the local ancestry.
So i say the solution is simply this: both allow and support [well, this is a socialist/communist state after all] that every citizen have one child. Also, guardianship of said child should fall to one parent. I dare say people should receive a tax break if they have only one or no child at all. After all, that saves society a lot of money.

Schooling costs society a lot of money. I believe the Dutch ministry of schooling costs more than any other, perhaps except for defense. If you have more than 1 child/person, then pay for it yourself. No need to go all 'Chinese' and forbid having children.
And no need for anyone to kill a baby girl because you can only have one child and you want it to be a boy, 'cause The Billings Method also teaches how one can determine gender.


Anyway, if the world ends and you barely have enough food to survive, knowing how to curb overpopulation could become an even greater issue than it is today. But let's face it, a depression today will hit the world at least 10 times harder than it did in 1929 since small family farms are largely gone and there are too many mouths to feed today. For sure, overpopulation and soil degredation will be the death of many millions (at least) indeed.
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