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Survival water; is it what we thought it was?
« on: September 04, 2016, 06:55:40 AM »
Calories; the Tarahumara Indians can run a marathon on A CUP of maize [nixtamal];
WTF?! That would take THOUSANDS of calories!, you say.
And yet, they do it.

Could water, too, be similarly easier to come by than we have all been led to believe? That would be good news for preppers/survivalists, right?


- Roman soldiers would throw a silver coin in their water to make sure it stayed potable. Colloidal silver generators? Wonderful, but if you could utilize those silver coins you have laying around for trade, that's really low-tech, isn't it? No need to worry about electricity.

- As i laid out in my post Proper Soil Management, Geoff Lawton established oases in Jordan with a fraction of the water Jordans generally think necessary for such a feat. Lawton, however, simply applies permaculture principles to RETAIN what water falls during winter months. In this way he's able to make it through 9 months of drought without irrigation. "Impossible!", most folk would probably say, and yet, he does it.

- Mainstream ideas suggest we all need to consume 2 to 4 liters of water per day to stay hydrated but did you know that there are forms of water that hydrate much more/better than regular H2O? For one, people talking about infrared technology suggest this CREATES something they call H4O in the body. The mainstream hasn't caught up yet but what if lying on hot rocks creates water in the body? Would you know?
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2016, 12:20:07 AM »
In response to 5 things that make the difference in water purification, a number of things...

- the best water is made by distillation, then osmosis, then remineralization [see below]
- minerals via water IS BULLSH!T; minerals need to be attached to a carbon atom for your body to utilize
- distilled water is EASIER to drink, i.e. one CAN drink more distilled than tap water
- distilled AND MINERALIZED water TASTES better than merely distilled
- what KIND of water you drink relates to the TIME of day... [see below]
- methods of water purification

When one distills water, there are actually chemicals that have a similar evaporation point as H2O does that evaporate with the water vapor; when you run DISTILLED water through a reverse-osmosis filter, you get rid of these and end up with PROPERLY distilled water. Then you throw in some seasalt, vortex it, let it rest in moonlight or whatever way you know of restructuring it.

Your body isn't always doing the same things; some times it focuses on cleaning, then on absorbing, then on assimilation. Each has it's particular water needs...
- When your body is in it's daily detox mode, from 04:00 to noon [sun time, i.e. noon is when the Sun is at it's highest point] distilled water is best, for it absorbs toxins your body is trying to get rid of best.
- in your body's daily absorption phase, from noon to about 6, minerals are important. Then you might best be drinking 'mineralized' or spring water. HOWEVER, you SHOULD have needed water in the morning to become clean and hydrated; in the afternoon your body is about ABSORBING NUTRIENTS, not about hydration. That doesn't mean you can 'eat salt' but what you consume in the afternoon should be very different from what you consume in the morning; in the morning you're talking water-rich foods like fruit, in the afternoon you're talking all the rest.
- after '6' your body is going to go about ASSIMILATING that which you have CONSUMED. If you consume anything during this period at all, it should be appropriate to the TIME it is being consumed, i.e. sea fruits and roots. Again, this is not a time during which your body is especially interested in vast quantities of water. That will come again at 04:00 (sun time). Spring water or your own properly mineralized water is best for the evening.

If you have iffy water, purify with sodium chlorite or chlorine dioxide [MMS], with silver or with chlorine; if you add chlorine allow for a day to let the chlorine evaporate before you drink it [yeah, don't wanna be drinking chlorine...].
« Last Edit: October 12, 2016, 12:43:07 AM by Socrates »
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Re: Survival water; is it what we thought it was?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2016, 08:10:40 PM »
Socrates thanks for sharing excellent ideas.

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subterranean water
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2020, 01:31:26 AM »
In extension of my post on Elaine Ingham's work, she not only explains why minerals are not an issue but also that water need not be, i.e. you need neither mineralize nor water good soil, for your plants will take care of everything.

The trick to never having to water your crops is to defeat compaction; then plants growing in good soil will root down so deeply that they'll never run out of water [most cases].
Dr. Ingham explains that many falsely assume (certain species of) trees and plants simply don't root down very deep. However, the truth is that if the ground is not compacted, most plants and trees will go down quite deep, even to depths most people would not believe.
Actually, most plants will root down very deep very quickly if given the chance but who has 30ft of soil? But what if you did? What if you should be focusing on laying down whatever you're doing ON A GOOD FOUNDATION, i.e. instead of quality of seeds, irrigation, crop rotation, etc. etc.?

Dr. Ingham's message is clear: take care of the basics and the rest will take care of itself. Will this take more effort initially? Perhaps. But imagine non-compacted deep earth that you innoculate with compost once and then never have to deal with again! As long as you never allow it to compact [like having a herd on it for a long time, allowing rain to hit bare ground or using heavy machinery] or destroy the subterranean microbiome [through tilling/plowing, throwing chemicals or pharmaceuticals down, etc.], plants will thrive there, likely offering abundance that conventional folk deem impossible. I mean, Dr. Ingham is talking about corn stalks with 10 ears each... She's also talking about successful farming operations where there's been decades of non-stop drought. Y'know, water doesn't only come from above and as long as your plants can access it from below, you could not only be farming with minimal effort, but doing so on land that no one else wishes to use.
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Re: Survival water; is it what we thought it was?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2020, 05:41:59 AM »
Agreed, and would add that in working with the rhythms of nature, the attitude becomes not one of never having to add compost again, but one of "It's autumn, and here's the opportunity to make full use of nature's bounty of knee-deep leaves as far as the eye can see," offering another layer of goodness to each crop, and tucking them into bed for the winter with a kiss.  :)

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compost over water
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2020, 03:18:38 AM »
I've heard it said a number of times that water is the new oil...
I say this is based on ignorance and the opposite of holistic thinking [i.e. intelligence...].

Ironically, oil has in a way created water shortages. I've heard that we used to invest 1 calorie of effort to effect 2 calories of output but that oil makes that we have to put in 10 calories in order to harvest a single [i.e. 1] calorie of harvest [i.e. petroleum for chemicals, machinery and fuel that conventional agriculture requires]. However, and frankly i don't doubt it, i've heard Joel Salatin say that conventional ag now requires 15 calories for every calorie gained and that he puts in 1 calorie to harvest 4... That's 60 times more! This craziness is the legacy of 'modern' ag.

But because of compaction, monoculture and tilling, the land/ground/earth [it definitely can't be called "soil"] can't hold onto water and endless irrigation [as well as artificial (and inefficient) attempts to mineralize] are necessary.
'Water is the new oil' when you don't let go of oil, i.e. conventional ag.

But then listen to Joel Salatin explain how soil holds onto water like crazy and how his fields collect insane amounts of water when it rains. When the earth is alive, i.e. when there's a healthy/natural subterranean microbiome, water shortages are hard to imagine. But if the earth is just dirt, i.e. dead, then water flows through it like it's sand.
I.E. think compost and the microbiome, not water/irrigation. First things first and ignore the popular fallacies.
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Re: Survival water; is it what we thought it was?
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2020, 09:20:02 AM »
As for our location, I prefer both rich compost-soil and an irrigation system in place for certain times of the year.  While excellent soil both holds moisture and offers good drainage (paradoxically), it doesn't address the needs of every species at all times of the year or stages of growth.

Our practice here has been to do one major improvement to the microfarm each year, and this year we decided we've expanded enough that hand watering, which we used to do for 2 hours daily during the most stressful heat of summer (or lose the crops entirely), is now impractical.  Having the irrigation system in place will spare us hours of work, possibly for weeks at a time when drought can occur, especially July-September here.

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Re: hand watering
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2020, 12:43:03 AM »
During my 5 months on La Gomera i would water my garden by hand for an hour a day. At first i was happy to do it but soon it started to feel like a real chore and waste of time.

Have you tried wetpots/ollas? They're like 20 x more water efficient than drip irrigation. Again, much more effort to put in but once they are, worth it.
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Re: Survival water; is it what we thought it was?
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2020, 07:04:36 AM »
Jollas are a traditional desert method, and not readily available in this location, as they're made from SW clay.  It does seem worth a tutorial Soc.  However, irrigation pumped by the wind and the sun, with appropriate backups, was a matter of choice here, as we wanted to experiment with several different methods.  In some areas, we've placed multiple methods, reaching roots or tops as needed.  I'm really looking forward to trying all of them out and reporting back here.

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Re: Survival water; is it what we thought it was?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2020, 06:15:31 PM »
On a related note, a friend who had a farm in Illinois years ago told us that during one seriously droughty year, his peach trees were loaded with fruit, still too small for harvest, but because they looked promisiing, he decided to water.

He hooked up a hose and began soaking the ground with water that the trees hadn't experienced in several months.  He was puttering around in the vicinity when he began hearing a sort of 'Plop"-ing sound, like "plop....plop......plop...plop.....plop...", etc.  He looked around and much to his dismay all of his peaches were falling off the trees!  He lost all of them that year.  Apparently, whatever fruit trees do internally to combat drought is a bit more complex than we humans understand, and he believes to this day that if he had not watered, he may have actually gotten some peaches, maybe many peaches.

Also if he had watered a little here and there, he probably would not have lost the fruit.

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Re: fast moving water
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2020, 12:28:04 AM »
I guess that's in line with the basic permaculture principle to slow water down. Fast moving water is at best wasteful; worst case, it actually kills [drowns subterranean life, rots roots, etc. etc.].
Popular culture is truly water stupid.
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