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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2017, 06:22:40 PM »
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Venezuelans now separating edible, non-edible trash to make it easier for starving scavengers to survive

Indeed a terrible situation.

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The next time a liberal democrat tries to make a case for big government and the redistribution of wealth, kindly point them towards Venezuela, where they can live in their own dull, bleak utopia. Food lines stretch on for miles, and widespread poverty, rationing of epic proportions are quite common. It is all directly linked to an all-powerful regime and the centralization of authority; principles that the American left are always fighting for.

But I suspect that the cause is not simply "big government and the redistribution of wealth" - although ineptitude contributes - but rather destabilization by the dark cabal as a response to noncooperation by the government.  Has anyone read or seen the back-story to this situation?

It does not good to blame progressive or liberal or semi socialistic politics, Venezuela has lost its free elections. The man in power there did that. It is is not a progressive democracy or modern western socialism actually it is just ruled by a dictator, a despot. Authoritarian ruled, closer to fascism. Whenever a country no longer has democratic representation and fair elections, it matters naught what the label says whether it is socialism or fascism it is autocratic and kleptocratic.
Excellent point, yowbarb.

 We must remember Venezuela has oil and as we know big countries love to steal resources from smaller countries, and they have many ways to destabilize those smaller countries, including helping install dictators who will secretly work with any country with deep pockets.

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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2017, 09:51:26 AM »
ilinda, I totally agree with that, too! (About  bigger powers exploiting and messing with smaller countries...for oil.)

Losing the construction of their Parliament or whatever representative government a country has is the first step in losing  free elections. That happened in Hitler's days and we need to be careful it doesn't happen right now...under our noses while we listen to useless propaganda...it is important if someone is dismantling the government institutions we do need...

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2017, 06:46:26 PM »
ilinda, I totally agree with that, too! (About  bigger powers exploiting and messing with smaller countries...for oil.)

Losing the construction of their Parliament or whatever representative government a country has is the first step in losing  free elections. That happened in Hitler's days and we need to be careful it doesn't happen right now...under our noses while we listen to useless propaganda...it is important if someone is dismantling the government institutions we do need...
Yes, there is so much going on in the U.S. capitol now that who knows where it will all lead?

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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2017, 02:19:04 PM »
https://www.rodalesorganiclife.com/garden/5-reasons-you-should-consider-raising-backyard-chickens
It's true, and chickens can very quickly begin to enrich your soil.  About 10-12 years ago I had chickens for about a year, and in that time they completely denuded their pen, so I let them free range.  It was encouraging to see how quickly they can remove grasses from an area, readying it for a garden!  '

When chickens come here again, we will be better prepared to move them from here to there, back and forth, and in the process let them do the spring weeding for the garden, plus year-round fertilization.

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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2017, 03:03:16 PM »
https://www.rodalesorganiclife.com/garden/5-reasons-you-should-consider-raising-backyard-chickens
It's true, and chickens can very quickly begin to enrich your soil.  About 10-12 years ago I had chickens for about a year, and in that time they completely denuded their pen, so I let them free range.  It was encouraging to see how quickly they can remove grasses from an area, readying it for a garden!  '

When chickens come here again, we will be better prepared to move them from here to there, back and forth, and in the process let them do the spring weeding for the garden, plus year-round fertilization.

I am not an expert on this but the other day, had the sudden thought there might be something in the chicken droppings which would help decontaminate and clean soils...
Who knows what a variety of contaminants could happen during the passing of the PX system...
I figure (and there have been topics on this) some soils will be drenched with salt water, some deeply burnt, fracking messes and oil spills will definitely happen. Fires exploding automobiles, stores, gas stations, factories... equals chemicals in the soil...
I would venture to say, having chickens and also some kind of huge stash of seaweed for the soil should help in the Aftertime... 
Was googling...trying to find out more...Sure enough! Chicken manure is listed as a helpful ingredient in some manuals books about decontaminating the soil.
Going to go post this in the Soils Topic...The Earth Around Us: Maintaining A Livable Planet

screen shot of excerpt, when searching for chicken poop as decontaminant

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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2017, 04:01:40 PM »
Good to know about chicken poop and its decontaminating qualities.  There are some (not many) who are said to feed their chickens from the wild, as they gather hickory nuts, walnuts, etc.  Re the nuts, all you have to do is crack them open, and let the birds do the rest.  If you find a breed that is known to be a good forager, you'll have better luck than if you look for one of those birds who are known for their large size.

I remember Harvey Ussery mentioned this in his book BackYard Poultry or similar name.  He doesn't give instructions on how to do so, but knows there are some who do, and of course they say the birds are leaner, but they do lay eggs and do provide meat, but in smaller quantities than the bigger birds.

It makes a lot of sense to at least try.  One woman who posted about this on the WAPFarmers yahoo email list said that when she gets a new chicken, she just puts it in with the others who have to free-range and she said they learn that they have to get their own food, and do.  Sometimes she has them at the edge of some woods where there's cover, plus more variety of foods, but cannot recall about predator control.  Could be a dog, or llama, or ??

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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2017, 04:19:52 PM »
Good to know about chicken poop and its decontaminating qualities.  There are some (not many) who are said to feed their chickens from the wild, as they gather hickory nuts, walnuts, etc.  Re the nuts, all you have to do is crack them open, and let the birds do the rest.  If you find a breed that is known to be a good forager, you'll have better luck than if you look for one of those birds who are known for their large size.

I remember Harvey Ussery mentioned this in his book BackYard Poultry or similar name.  He doesn't give instructions on how to do so, but knows there are some who do, and of course they say the birds are leaner, but they do lay eggs and do provide meat, but in smaller quantities than the bigger birds.

It makes a lot of sense to at least try.  One woman who posted about this on the WAPFarmers yahoo email list said that when she gets a new chicken, she just puts it in with the others who have to free-range and she said they learn that they have to get their own food, and do.  Sometimes she has them at the edge of some woods where there's cover, plus more variety of foods, but cannot recall about predator control.  Could be a dog, or llama, or ??

Sounds like a really good reference... yes for sure people should be thinking about bringing chickens along on their bug out...

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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2017, 04:53:21 PM »
We have learned to keep new chickens at home for a month before allowing them to join the others foraging at the edge of the woods.  Once we had a young hen leave home for three months and then return - we had allowed her to forage right away and she was confused about where home was still, plus hens need to be kept together for the first few days when a newcomer arrives, because the pecking order has to be re-established each time the flock changes, and there is no way of circumventing that ritual. :)

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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2017, 10:03:11 AM »
We have learned to keep new chickens at home for a month before allowing them to join the others foraging at the edge of the woods.  Once we had a young hen leave home for three months and then return - we had allowed her to forage right away and she was confused about where home was still, plus hens need to be kept together for the first few days when a newcomer arrives, because the pecking order has to be re-established each time the flock changes, and there is no way of circumventing that ritual. :)

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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2017, 10:46:33 PM »
I recommend Justin Rhodes and Joel Salatin as masters of teaching how to deal with chickens. They offer many YouTube vids and go into detail on sweet spots concerning keeping chickens. Marjory Wildcraft is another such source i know about.

Many permaculture enthousiasts and teachers recommend keeping chickens, for many purposes. As preppers we should all be informed about what they have to offer, i believe. I've never kept chickens but i've no doubt i'll not have a choice but to do so if i ever get to setting up something self-sustainable.
Even in combination with other fowl, they appear to be very valuble.

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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2018, 07:05:11 PM »
This is the second time we've had tomatoes off-season, right from the vine.  About 10 years ago we began eating them in March, and this year was a bit later.

We ate fresh vine-ripened tomatoes today, immediately after they were pulled from the vine.  Anyone can do this if you have a south-facing window, or if in Southern Hemisphere, a North facing window.  It doesn't require special heat or heat lamps--just sun for as long as possible.  If you have deep eaves, it might be a big more difficult, but is still doable.

Also, the cherry varieties probably are the best picks for indoor growing as they tend not to taste mushy as do the large tomatoes.  This variety is the "Party Sweet".

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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2018, 04:36:15 AM »
That's amazing Ilinda!  Will try to bring my Tumbling Toms indoors this autumn. :)

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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2018, 04:52:52 PM »
What Preppers Can Learn from Cape Town, Where Residents Live on 13 Gallons of Water Per Person Per Day

https://www.theorganicprepper.com/cape-town-13-gallons-of-water-per-person-per-day/

Living in Cape Town South Africa, after we have gained experience with rolling blackouts, our city (and surrounds) ran out of water … a first-world major metropolis ran out of water.

This is my summation of what happened and how we personally dealt with it.

Two things to note:

    Cape Town falls in a winter rainfall area. (Similar to Northern California)
    In our country, clean water is a constitutional right. Building dams, desalination plants, and maintaining the dams is the responsibility of the national government. Local governments are responsible for distributing the water. They are not allowed to build dams or desalination plants. Cape Town was forced to do both, at taxpayers’ cost.

This is to give you some background on how things are (or are supposed to be) here. You will see that how things are supposed to be are not how things are.


How did Cape Town almost run completely out of water?

There were basically four main reasons, as Cape Town knew of this pending problem:

    An unforeseen severe drought triggered it all.
    Unbeknownst to most, because of “state capture” (a kind phrase for corruption), the National Department of Water and Sanitation had no funds left to build dams. The South African public was blissfully unaware of this.
   
The local budgets, the part that the city must budget in order to distribute the water, was used to build a dam, effect some repairs to local national water infrastructures, and because year after year there were good rains, the rest was used for other pressing political promises, like schools, toilets (yes toilets), and housing etc.
    There was a huge influx of people into Cape Town from other provinces, seeking jobs, as the Western Cape is one of the best-run provinces in SA.

A “perfect storm” some would call it, triggered by a drought.

Here’s some more information if you wish to read further.
#DayZero – How close we came

The city of Cape Town, with plus or minus 4 million people, with businesses and the agricultural sector on top of that, was using about 1.2 billion litres of water per day. If the rains stayed, that would be no apparent problem, but it turns out that even with regular rains, the system was being put under severe strain already, and maintenance was behind too.

To make ends meet with the rains gone, first the agricultural sector’s water allocation was reduced, then canceled. Then large water users like businesses and hotels were forced to reduce. Then home users allowed only 50 liters (about 13 gallons) per person per day (pppd) i.e. level 6b water restrictions. Everyone was affected.

What are Level 6b restrictions? This included, not limited to, no watering of gardens, no topping up of pools, no washing of cars nor pavings i.e. no hosepipe usage at all, no filling of pools nor fish ponds or any water feature, and people were limited to only 13 gallons per day. With an average of four people per property that equates to a max usage of 6000 litres per month. (1585 gallons)

Note from Daisy: For comparison’s sake, the average American uses 101.5 gallons of water per day. For a family of four, that’s 406 gallons per day and 12,180 gallons per month.

Coupled with the above, a forced massive hike in the water price with huge fines if you don’t stay within the limit with the last resort, the physical limitation of the water supply to your home. Larger families could ask for an increased usage.

To further “help” people manage their water usage a website was created that showed each house in the city’s water consumption. Green dot and you are good, so one could also see ones neighbour’s usages. People got really angry and took to social media if they saw water wasters.

Some people, instead of shaming others, worked together to create solutions. A huge highlight was when a group of farmers who built their own private dam in Grabouw, then donated all their water for the city’s use. It helped a lot at a most critical point. Respect.
What actions were taken?

Politicians acting on the back foot to impress with expenditure, the blame game playing out in the press between local and national governments, a few small emergency desalination plants were built in haste (which challenged the constitution) with a number of large aquifers being tapped with a vengeance. The combined additional water, but a drop in the bucket, nowhere close to the minimum requirement of 450 million litres per day.

On top of this, the aquifers being pumped is a potential subsidence problem in due course if not correctly policed, not managed, policed, as more and more home and businesses also tapped into the same aquifers via private boreholes. Note: even with a borehole you were not allowed to water your garden or wash your car.

The prices of rainwater tanks shot up overnight, nearly doubling in price with waiting periods of weeks, sometimes months. Stores ran out of 25-liter containers. Everyone was investing heavily in containers for home storage and rainwater harvesting.
The end result

The #DayZero campaign was a huge success, it worked and people everywhere became aware of it, was even reported on internationally.

From starting at 1.2 billion litres of usage per day with a target set of 450 million litres per day, in the end, we hovered around +/-510 million litres per day. Well done, Cape Town!!!

However, the countdown to #DayZero still continued. If the rains stayed away the dams will run dry on day zero.

If Day Zero occurs, people will be forced to queue for their allotted 50 liters (13 gallons) pppd at select water points around the city. Some townships and all informal settlements being unaffected, as they already have to walk for water.

However, the campaign had to be stopped. Cape Town, to a large extent, relies on tourism and the #DayZero campaign was affecting the industry negatively. We now get a newsletter where we are given links to all the websites to see the water levels and water usage of the city.
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