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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2017, 04:06:14 PM »
Here are some reports on in-progress development of new magnesium batteries, which will not be explosive like the lithium ones.  Volatility is caused by liquid electrolytes that travel back and forth between poles.  Magnesium batteries will be designed using solid-state semiconductors rather than liquid electrolytes. 

https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/01/magnesium-batteries-safer-more-efficient-than-lithium/

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/The-Biggest-Threat-To-Lithium-Ion-Batteries.html

When these arrive in the marketplace, I plan to send every lithium battery in the house to a hazardous waste center...
Magnesium batteries do have more appeal than Lithium. 

Backwoods Solar sells a variety of larger batteries for solar elec. systems, and the most fascinating are the "Silicon" ones which are still in testing, but already on the market.  Some have been said to be like new, after two years in storage, a practice not recommended.  They are so non-toxic that they do not require any of the special labels or precautions for shipping, plus they are not problem when dead, and carry no risk of pollution when disposed of.  Maybe they are a form of sand! 

At any rate, these would beat heavy metal batteries any day.

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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2017, 04:14:19 PM »
Thanks for the info Ilinda - will look those up!  :)

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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2017, 05:38:59 PM »
Still researching them, but so far they sound very promising.  The temperature range tolerated is superior to anything available right now in deep cycle batteries, it seems.  With what is currently on the market, you have to choose from either one type for warm climates or another type for cold climates, with little room for variability of the extremes.  :)
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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2017, 06:19:09 PM »
I'll try to find the link for the manufacturer.  After seeing the silicon batteries in Backwoods Solar catalog, I inquired about various sizes and they (BWS) only carry some, but the mfg. in Canada has many, many sizes and types, but according to their website, BWS is the only distributor.

I did call and asked about several smaller batteries for lawn tractors, etc., and he said that BWS would carry them, but BWS said "no".  So, eventually I hope to find a source of the many types of this non-polluting battery.

Ok, here it is:!:  http://www.siliconebatteries.ca/

If anyone finds anywhere besides BWS who sells these, please post it here, as the Canadian manufacturer does not sell direct to the little guy.   Thanks!

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2017, 01:48:57 PM »
The deep cycle battery market would especially benefit from this technology, considering that the average solar battery bank needs to be replaced every several years at a substantial cost.

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2017, 02:38:14 AM »
Catastrophic living conditions in Puerto Rico can teach us a wealth of truth about post-collapse survival

http://bugout.news/

What would happen if the grid collapsed? Many people imagine it would not be too different from what happens when the power goes out after a storm, with long hours spent in the darkness playing cards by candlelight. You’ve got a cabinet full of canned goods, so you’d be able to get through it, right?

More than a million people in Puerto Rico are getting a harsh lesson on what life is like without power and running water, and we could all learn from their experience. Three months after being devastated by Hurricanes Maria and Irma, a third of people in Puerto Rico still have no power and a tenth do not have running water. Those who are fortunate enough to have running water have to boil it before it can be used.

What is it like on the ground? The first couple of days after the grid went down were marked by chaos, with locals reporting that those without cash were unable to buy anything. 911 wasn’t available, and hospitals were having trouble keeping people alive. Only 11 of the island’s 69 hospitals had power or generators running on the first few days, which meant many injured people did not have access to life-saving and diagnostic equipment like x-rays, medications, and important treatment like dialysis. Some people suffocated after their respirators stopped working when the power went out.

In a guest post for USA Today, Jeffrey Holsman wrote: “…after Maria, we face hours upon hours of waiting in lines for gas that might not be there; hours waiting in bank and ATM lines for money that might not be there; hours waiting in grocery store lines for food that might not be there”

Many of the firsthand accounts of life there with the grid down echoed the same sentiment: It was much worse than people imagined. Dead animals were strewn across the island, sometimes in fresh water supplies, while mosquitoes multiplied dramatically.

Two months after the grid went down, half of the island’s residents were still without power, particularly those in remote and less affluent areas. The island still looks like a war zone three months later, and the original estimate of full electricity being restored by December has now been pushed back to February at the earliest.

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2017, 05:22:03 AM »
Max, This is heartbreaking, and surely what the people of Puerto Rico have suffered will wake others up to the need to be prepared.  I wonder if any Puerto Ricans were well-enough prepared to get through that double assault?

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2017, 03:37:38 PM »
Power outage at Atlanta airport causes 'pandemonium,' grounds flights

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5685347491001/?#sp=show-clips

A complete power outage at the nation’s busiest airport, the Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, grounded flights Sunday afternoon, threatening to cause a holiday travel nightmare for fliers across the country just over a week before Christmas.

Airport officials said in a news release the power outage has forced the Federal Aviation Administration to suspend outgoing flights and implement a "ground stop" for incoming flights, which "means that flights headed to Atlanta are held on the ground at their departure airport.”

“Literal pandemonium at the @ATLairport … Baggage claim stuck, passengers can go no where! Which means traffic can’t either. GBI and other law enforcement on site now. Talk about delays!" Ciara Leilani tweeted.

It's unclear when the power is expected to be restored.

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2017, 02:28:40 AM »
POWER DOWN | Timeline of the Atlanta airport blackout

http://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/power-down-timeline-of-the-atlanta-airport-blackout/85-500042992

POWER DOWN | Timeline of the Atlanta airport blackout
Here's a timeline of what happened on Sunday at the world's busiest airport.
Author: Tim Darnell, Michael King
Published: 5:04 AM EST December 18, 2017

An underground fire caused a complete power outage Sunday afternoon at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, resulting in thousands of canceled flights at the world's busiest terminal and affecting travelers worldwide.

Watch Morning Rush live, now. We're live inside and outside of the airport with the latest on the developing conditions.

"Georgia Power has many redundant systems in place to ensure reliability for the Airport and its millions of travelers - power outages affecting the Airport are very rare."   :P


Airport officials say the outage occurred at 12:55 p.m., and affects several areas of the airport. The outage was due to an electrical issue at a Georgia Power substation, according to an airport spokesperson who spoke to NBC News.

Here's a timeline of what happened:

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2017, 06:36:08 AM »
The article links to another one, titled "What caused the power to go out at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport," which pointedly does not answer the very question it poses, burying the topic  in about the 10th paragraph and then avoiding the question altogether: "While Reed did not go into detail about what caused the fire he said 'there is no evidence to suggest that the fire was caused deliberately.' " 

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2017, 10:37:21 AM »
A few years ago we were staying at a motel in St. Louis and just before bed around midnight, the power went out.  Well, no problem we thought, but decided to walk down the hall and get more ice or something like that. 

On our way down hall, with flashlight in hand, we could see people looking fearful, and actually coming out of their rooms (!!) to see what happened to the power.  One guy even asked us nervously, "where did you get the flashlight?", as if it would be an abnormal thing to carry a flashlight when traveling!

This was an accidental lesson for us and a reminder to keep in the back of one's mind that we're totally or mostly dependent on others when we travel away from home and even something as seemingly minor as flashlight, matches, blanket, etc., are requirements for road travel, when not carrying the "bugout bag".

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« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2017, 11:38:16 AM »
Thanks Ilinda, for a good reminder to keep even a modicum of personal necessities in the car and in our purses (for the ladies).  Even just a few bandages, wet wipes, flashlight, a functional pen and paper, map book, clippers or small scissors, magnifying glass for detailed maps, a few antihistimines, tissues or paper napkins, a little trash bag, some coins, and a blanket in case of winter car trouble, most of which could fit in the glove box or console. 

Other items? :)
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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2017, 04:12:07 PM »
A few years ago we were staying at a motel in St. Louis and just before bed around midnight, the power went out.  Well, no problem we thought, but decided to walk down the hall and get more ice or something like that. 

On our way down hall, with flashlight in hand, we could see people looking fearful, and actually coming out of their rooms (!!) to see what happened to the power.  One guy even asked us nervously, "where did you get the flashlight?", as if it would be an abnormal thing to carry a flashlight when traveling!

This was an accidental lesson for us and a reminder to keep in the back of one's mind that we're totally or mostly dependent on others when we travel away from home and even something as seemingly minor as flashlight, matches, blanket, etc., are requirements for road travel, when not carrying the "bugout bag".

Great reminder!!
From this point on, we have to keep a few such items always on hand...

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2017, 04:54:32 PM »
Thanks Ilinda, for a good reminder to keep even a modicum of personal necessities in the car and in our purses (for the ladies).  Even just a few bandages, wet wipes, flashlight, a functional pen and paper, map book, clippers or small scissors, magnifying glass for detailed maps, a few antihistimines, tissues or paper napkins, a little trash bag, some coins, and a blanket in case of winter car trouble, most of which could fit in the glove box or console. 

Other items? :)

Good ideas...
matches too...
extra car keys...
registered carry   ;D
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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2017, 05:22:09 PM »
Barb, Do you pack heat?  ;)

 

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