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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #105 on: October 10, 2019, 02:07:59 PM »
Interesting Ilinda!

Per Marfoogle News, SF Chronicle is reporting that folks in California are becoming openly angry.  A PG&E vehicle has been fired upon, and eggs have been thrown at the windows of one of their offices:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5r2AbtAmGI @ around 23:00

Also under discussion was the fact that customers were only given very short notice to get ready, and may have been between paychecks with no available funds to prep.
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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #106 on: October 10, 2019, 02:29:38 PM »
Further into the above Marfoogle News broadcast @ around 33:15, incoming reports interrupt the scheduled presentation, with viewers in California complaining that the radio repeater towers have been taken down, just as Common Sense Show had reported earlier, meaning that ham radios are rendered inoperable. 

So this would seem to be a validation of the earlier report. 

The left-hand column of this website's home page shows ham radio relay outages as blinking red lights:

http://www.carlaradio.net/

Please see screenshot below, in which the blinking red lights are shown as gray bars to the left of each signal area, toward the bottom of the list:

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #107 on: October 10, 2019, 05:12:02 PM »
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California complaining that the radio repeater towers have been taken down, just as Common Sense Show had reported earlier, meaning that ham radios are rendered inoperable.

Yes that is _exactly_ the scenario that we had in our recent ARES (Amateur Radio Emergency Service) SET (Statewide Emergency Test) last month (September).

Where the repeater towers were down and we used VHF/UHF simplex communications to provide backup communications to hospitals, first responders , etc..

EVERYONE needs to get at least their Technician class Ham license to prepare for what is about to take place …

Simulated Emergency Test

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_Emergency_Test

The annual Simulated Emergency Test (SET) is a training exercise involving the Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) and the National Traffic System (NTS), a message-handling service of amateur radio. The American Radio Relay League is a prime mover in this event, which is organized somewhat like a contest. Its primary purposes are to evaluate strengths and weaknesses in emergency preparedness and communications, and to demonstrate amateur radio to the public.

During the first full weekend of October of every year in the United States, a nationwide radio communications network is set up that links every major city and most of the geography of the country. This technological infrastructure is set up from scratch within a few hours at locations that vary from state and local government Emergency Operations Centers to isolated areas without utilities of any kind. Every mode of radio communications is utilized including analog, digital, voice, data, simplex, duplex, satellites and even automated relay stations launched on aircraft and with weather balloons. For no more than 48 continuous hours, this nationwide radio communications network is exercised with the primary objective of proving the system's readiness and capabilities. Then as quickly as it was set up, the system is dismantled and stored in preparation for when it is needed. The system has demonstrated its value time after time during earthquakes, hurricanes, forest fires, terrorist attacks and other disasters. All of this capability is provided by volunteers who continuously hone their technical skills and acquire, build, and maintain their own equipment. These radio engineers and operators, along with their equipment, combine into an important resource for emergency communications.

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #108 on: October 10, 2019, 05:22:50 PM »
Do I understand correctly Max that there is a workaround for when the repeaters are down?  Could you explain in simple terms how that is possible, for people like me who are ignorant about this niche?

I'll admit to having put off learning about this until now, thinking that we'd be fine without radio connection to the outside world (or even safer, if PTB or a dark element could hone-in on our signal), but now am realizing just how isolated folks are in California, and how valuable every little scrap of information must be to them right now.

BTW, the contest sounds really interesting!

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #109 on: October 10, 2019, 05:33:22 PM »
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Do I understand correctly Max that there is a workaround for when the repeaters are down?  Could you explain in simple terms how that is possible, for people like me who are ignorant about this niche?

It is just "point-to-point" communications with two (or more ) operators using usually hand-held VHF/UHF radios something like this:

https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-012507

ICOM IC-T70A-HD-15
144 / 430 MHz Dual Band Hand Held FM Transceiver - Analog - 5 Watts - w/ BP-265 & BC-193
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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #110 on: October 10, 2019, 05:37:03 PM »
So this device is a back-up to the ham radio that each operator is recommended to have on hand?

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #111 on: October 10, 2019, 05:47:38 PM »
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So this device is a back-up to the ham radio that each operator is recommended to have on hand?

It is typical of the hand-held radios that each HAM might use during the exercise, if you just wanted to order a “cheap radio” to get started with I would recommend:

https://www.radioddity.com/products/baofeng-x-radioddity-uv-82x3

BAOFENG X RADIODDITY UV-82X3 Radio | Tri-band 1.25M | Dual PTT | 2 Antennas | with Cable

$43.99 Regular price

You don't have to have a license  to by a radio, you can order one and start listening to VHF/UHF Ham traffic/conversations..

A good way to get started is to find your county ARES group and pay them a visit !

They are always more than happy to help new people get started ..

Amateur Radio Emergency Service® (ARES)

http://www.arrl.org/ares
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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #112 on: October 10, 2019, 06:07:12 PM »
That's affordable enough that I might give my husband one for Christmas.

Thanks for the link - I found several clubs in our area!

Posting club search page link:

http://www.arrl.org/find-a-club

Looking forward to joining  :)

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #113 on: October 11, 2019, 09:39:35 AM »
3% Report notes that Macquarie Group, the same international finance group based in Australia that recently won control of the Port of Long Beach, California, is in the process of replacing much of PG&E infrastructure in California with massive lithium Tesla battery banks:


https://cleanpowerexchange.org/southern-california-edison-to-bring-online-50-mw-tesla-powerpack-2-systems/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufY6QLqN2Y4 @ latter half of film




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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #114 on: October 11, 2019, 11:44:13 AM »
Editor's Note:  A good example of the "progress" of civilization:

https://desdemonadespair.net/2019/08/farmers-in-chile-losing-freshwater-battle-with-lithium-mines-well-be-left-here-with-no-water-no-anim

August 24, 2019
Farmers in Chile losing freshwater battle with lithium mines –
“We’ll be left here with no water, no animals, no agriculture – with nothing”
Aerial view of brine pools at the SQM lithium mine on the Atacama salt flat in the Atacama desert of northern Chile, 10 January 2013. Photo: Ivan Alvarado / ReutersAerial view of brine pools at the SQM lithium mine on the Atacama salt flat in the Atacama desert of northern Chile, 10 January 2013. Photo: Ivan Alvarado / Reuters

By Grace Livingstone
15 August 2019

SANTIAGO, Chile (BBC News) – Out of habit, Sara Plaza smiles when her photo is taken, but when she talks about what has happened to the land around her home, tears start to run down her face.

“There used to be beautiful lagoons down there, with hundreds of flamingos,” she says. “When they opened their wing, you’d see their pretty pink and black feathers. Now it’s all dry and the birds have gone.”  Peine, the dusty village where she lives in northern Chile, sits on a hillside by the Salar de Atacama, an enormous 3,000 sq km (1,200 sq mile) salt flat in the driest desert on the planet.

    The birds have gone, we can’t keep animals anymore. It’s getting harder and harder to grow crops. If it gets any worse, we will have to emigrate.
    Jorge Cruz, a farmer in the village of Camar, Chile

Sara says that the villagers used to graze their animals on pastures on the edge of the Atacama, beneath the giant Andes mountains.  “It used to be so green, now it’s just hard, cracked ground. We can’t keep llamas anymore,” she laments.
Sara says that lithium mining on the Atacama is using up all the fresh water in the region’s aquifers – layers of porous rock beneath the soil which act as stores of water.

Lithium, a soft, silvery-white metal is used to make batteries for smartphones, laptops, and electric cars. Demand has soared in recent years, with global output rising three-fold since 2005 to 85,000 tonnes in 2018, according to the US Geological Survey.

Chile is the world’s second-largest producer after Australia, with an output of 16,000 tonnes last year, all from the Atacama. Valued at $949m (£785m) this was a 38% rise on 2017.
Global lithium prices, 2005-2016. Data: Benchmark Mineral Intelligence. Graphic: QuartzGlobal lithium prices, 2005-2016. Data: Benchmark Mineral Intelligence. Graphic: Quartz

There are currently just two companies mining lithium here – a US firm, Albemarle, and Chile’s own SQM. [cf. SQM receives Chile’s approval for lithium plant expansion. –Des]

Beneath the salt flat is an enormous natural underground reservoir of salty water that contains dissolved lithium salts. To extract this, the miners pump this brine to the surface, and allow it to evaporate in the sun, leaving the lithium carbonate to be scooped up. This salt can then be turned into metallic lithium.

While there are continuing concerns about the impact the extraction of this salt water is having on the wider ecosystem, including the claims that the flamingos’ salt water lagoons are drying up, the most pressing issue for Sara and other locals is that the mining firms are also accessing fresh water supplies.  They need the fresh water to clean machinery and pipes, and also to produce an auxiliary product from the brine – potash – which is used as a fertiliser.

Standing among yellowing tufts of grass that used to be pasture lands Sarah – who monitors water supplies for her indigenous community – points out a small pumping station that draws up underground fresh water and pipes it to the lithium mines.
Jorge Cruz, a farmer in the village of Camar, Chile. He says he can no longer farm animals because of freshwater depletion caused by lithium mines. Photo: BBC NewsJorge Cruz, a farmer in the village of Camar, Chile. He says he can no longer farm animals because of freshwater depletion caused by lithium mines. Photo: BBC News

About 40km (25 miles) further north, Jorge Cruz grows maize and alfalfa on a small plot of land in the village of Camar, another indigenous community near the salt flat.  He says that if the mining companies continue to use fresh water at the current rate his village will not survive.
“The birds have gone, we can’t keep animals anymore,” he says. “It’s getting harder and harder to grow crops. If it gets any worse … we will have to emigrate.” […]

“The [current] level of water extraction is causing real harm to the ecosystem and nearby communities,” says Gonzalo Pimentel of the Atacama Desert Foundation, a non-profit institution supporting local communities. […]

Sara is fearful. “We’ll be left here with no water, no animals, no agriculture – with nothing.” [more]

The farmers who worry about our phone batteries
agriculture / bird decline / Chile / corruption / cro

and if that isn't enough, how interestiing that "Clean Power Exchange" even has the nerve to use such a name as implying their operation is clean:


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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #115 on: October 11, 2019, 03:02:42 PM »
One of my favorite authors (Dr. Joseph Farrell) with his usual “whit and pointed sarcasm” paints a picture of what actually might behind the recent decision in “Nuttyfornian” to turn of peoples power ..

PG&E’s DELIBERATE BLACKOUTS  ;D

https://gizadeathstar.com/2019/10/pges-deliberate-blackouts/

Seriously, folks, I do not know why Nuttyfornians haven't done a run on pitchforks and ropes, because I've never seen a state so lost in lunacy as that one. While San Francisco drowns in human poop and drug needles, the people in the state capital, the administrative center of the asylum, Scarymental , are worried about plastic straws and forcing people to get vaccinated.

But wait, there's more insanity, and you knew it was coming: according to this article shared by C.V., deliberate brownouts and blackouts are coming from PG&E (Pacific Graft and Emoluments... er... I mean, Pacific Gas and Electric) during period of high fire risk:

Of the Bay Area’s nine counties, all but San Francisco was to be hit by the mass outage intended to stop trees from crashing into Pacific Gas and Electric Co. lines when fast, dry winds blow in after several months without sustained rainfall. Across the state, 34 counties will be affected, some starting in the early morning and others not until noon or later on Wednesday. (Emphasis added)

Now, I don't know about you, but the last time I checked, there was no necessary nor causal connection between shutting off people's power and trees not falling on the power lines. Something tells me those trees will continue to fall onto the power lines; they may not start fires with the lines dead, but there's always the lightning for that (and we'll get back to that in a moment). But it's ok, they're doing their little bit to fight forest fires preemptively and (to use the hated word) "pro-actively". Uh huh.

And while you're thinking Nuttyfornia couldn't possibly become any nuttier, there's this little cache of cashews:

    Some water districts asked customers to store supplies. The East Bay Municipal Utilities District, which delivers water to 1.4 million customers in Alameda and Contra Costa counties, and other water providers, including the Marin Municipal Water District, were asking customers in affected areas to store a minimum of two gallons of water per person per day — enough to last three to seven days — and to store extra for pets. Although the districts have back-up generators for water pumping and distribution, services could be affected.

The problem here is, this is the "narrative," because many Californians recorded so many anomalies from the previous fires that the trees-falling-on-power-lines isn't the only nor total explanation. In fact, many of those anomalies point to some potentially downright sinister technologies and motivations. And as for the falling trees on power lines explanation, personally, I'd go so far as to say it's the spin. Many of those fires had all the hallmarks of being a man-made problem, a bit of TADISC (Technologically Assisted Disaster Capitalism) which is being pressed into the service of another narrative, that of global warming:

With reasoning like this, one might expect the nasty folks in Scarymental, Nuttyfornia to start limiting people's water supply because of prolonged draught. (Oh... wait, they already did that....) It's that little bit about all of this being a question of "whether PG&E can deliver power safely to its customers amid a warming climate" that's the give-a-way. For one thing, the warming climate part is undefined: warming where? the Bay area? the whole state? The country? the continent? the globe? And if the larger categories, those data and that conclusion are in dispute. But not to worry, they're still a good enough excuse to turn off the power to the suburban deplorables during "danger periods."
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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #116 on: October 11, 2019, 11:27:04 PM »
I saw some news coverage today, deeply critical of the power blackouts... it caused at least one death...lack of power for home oxygen use.

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #117 on: October 12, 2019, 05:35:46 AM »
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Technologically Assisted Disaster Capitalism

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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #118 on: October 12, 2019, 05:47:45 AM »
I've been musing on the Tesla electrical infrastructure project in California since yesterday, and realize that something about it doesn't make sense:

If PG&E is bankrupt, to the extent that organizations all over California that have vested their retirement funds in it have been warned that they may now see a zero return, then how is PG&E coming up with funds for this exorbitantly expensive Tesla infrastructure project? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0li4edBd7ZU

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pge-plunges-most-chapter-11-filing-after-losing-bankruptcy-exclusivity

Some questions arise:

1. Could Macquarie Group have been selected ahead of time to completely replace PG&E, whether publicly or privately?  After all - why is the new foreign owner of Long Beach Port getting involved in the electrical infrastructure of the entire state of California?  Bearing in mind that Macquarie, though nominally Australian, is a high-profile global corporation, which Wiki names as the world's largest infrastructure asset manager:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macquarie_Group

Or, if not, then

2. Could it be that PG&E is not as bankrupt as we're being told?

And/or

3. Might retirement funds vested in PG&E have been plundered and used to cover the Tesla bill (one hates to go that far)?

Would love any alternate explanations...
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Re: When the Lights Go Out
« Reply #119 on: October 12, 2019, 06:16:52 AM »
Nuttyfornians says it all!!  :P

California Officials declare Ham Radio no longer a benefit; Demands Ham radio repeater infrastructure to be Removed!!

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/california-officials-declare-ham-radio-no-longer-a-benefit-demands-ham-radio-repeater-infrastructure-to-be-removed

California is severing ties to ham radio repeater owners throughout the state, demanding REMOVAL of Repeater sites from public property, jeopardizing the lives of millions of Californians who depend on these repeaters to operate during emergencies.

(First they cut electric, now they want to cut communications.  See what's actually going out out there?)

In a letter sent by CAL FIRE, the state claims Ham operators no longer provide a benefit to the state or public safety. They claim that “constantly changing technological advances” has made Ham radio obsolete during an emergency.

Keep in mind; this is a state that is currently shutting power down in 34 of its counties because its infrastructure cannot handle 20-30 mph winds without risking wildfire breakouts throughout the state.
What is a Ham Radio Repeater

    An amateur radio repeater system is a two-way radio system that takes weaker or low-level amateur radio signals and retransmits them at a higher level or higher power so that the radio signal can cover longer distances without degradation. It is a vital part of the local emergency communications system, and Ham Radio operators have been using them for decades to provide support during disasters that take out local communication infrastructure.

Why would they remove something that is the last line of defense during a disaster?

What is infuriating here is people are going to die because of this decision.

It costs the State of California nothing to allow these repeaters on public land; in fact, Ham Radio Operators pay for the equipment and maintain the equipment at their own cost.

Ham Radio operators also make nothing from running these radio repeaters; they do so as a service to the public to help ensure the public’s safety during natural disasters and emergencies.

Here's a good explanation from a HAM operator:

More importantly, THEY DON'T WANT AMERICANS TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE VIA METHODS THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT SHUT OFF.

Right now, government can shut off home telephones, cellular phones, the internet/email, but they can't shut off HAM Radio.  They can't control what is transmitted or who hears it.  Government doesn't like that.




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