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"Your papers please"
« on: March 25, 2018, 06:59:38 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxC7wl10EtI&t=2115s  @ 33:25

Px researcher Igor Kostellac of Croatia shared correspondence this week from a friend of his in the Netherlands, saying that all Dutch citizens have received a set of registration cards that each household must fill out.  Furthermore, both residential neighborhoods and businesses were instructed to organize into small survival groups (Soc, could you please weigh in on this if you are able?).

Included in the mass mailing is a large card for filling out family information which must be placed in the doorway of each home, and smaller wallet cards which must be filled out and carried on the person of each member of the family.  The new ID must be shown upon demand to authorities.  Please see photo below.

Igor says that other countries in Europe are each receiving different types of emergency planning correspondence, staggered at differing times so that it is made to seem like a local concern rather than continental.  For example, citizens of Belgium may receive potassium iodide pills to keep in the event of a nuclear accident, while other nations send out earthquake survival information.

That seems reminiscent of a couple of years ago here in the States, when the U.S. Post Office sent out "continuity of mail" cards that everyone had to fill out if they wanted to continue receiving mail in an emergency. 
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Re: "Your papers please"
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2018, 02:28:11 AM »
UK Thought Police: Detaining Opponents "For The Public Good"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-24/uk-thought-police-detaining-opponents

Would you want your government to decide who can and cannot enter your country based on how popular their political views?

Would you trust any individual to police on your behalf what speakers are “conducive to the public good?”

Like those of Lauren Southern, who on the 12th of March was “banned for life” from entering the United Kingdom, after being detained under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act (2000).

Southern was told that “by her own admission” she had distributed “racist material.” It is important to note that actually, Southern, however, did not at all admit to the material being distributed being “racist” in nature, she simply admitted to distributing it.

But she, of course, was forbidden to dispute whether her material was truly racist, the mere suggestion that Southern was racist proved ample enough for her right to speak freely being expunged.

What material led to Southern being banned from entering the United Kingdom? A UK Home Office official explained that Southern was “refused [entry] on policy grounds that their presence in the UK was not conducive to the public good.” It leaves anyone who believes in free discourse, without the trappings of state oversight with the question: Should the state really be the arbiter of what is “conducive” to the public good? No, is the answer most sensible individuals will conclude.

You may like the idea of a state you agree with having this power, but what happens when it becomes a state you disagree with?

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Re: "Your papers please"
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2018, 05:49:12 AM »
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“by her own admission” she had distributed “racist material.”

The article is inexplicit about what she was circulating.

Here in the U.S., a certain explicitly racist organization continues to thrive in a county just north of here (its name has several "K's" in it)...
They openly have pep rallies and parades - pretty frightening in the 21st Century. 

Publicly aired racism can be equated with slander (under "group defamation"), not to mention possibly being an irritating use of the logical fallacies of Bandwagon Appeal, Hasty Generalization, Ad Hominem, and Ad Populum.  Group defamation can be either a civil or criminal offense under the laws of most jurisdictions, and addressable through the courts, as it can lead to defamation of individuals within the targeted group. 

However, if a segment of the population feels determined to air such speech, other libertarian means of addressing it might include insistence upon holding a public debate or simply walking away from it. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
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Re: "Your papers please"
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2018, 06:44:18 PM »
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“by her own admission” she had distributed “racist material.”

The article is inexplicit about what she was circulating.

Here in the U.S., a certain explicitly racist organization continues to thrive in a county just north of here (its name has several "K's" in it)...
They openly have pep rallies and parades - pretty frightening in the 21st Century. 

Publicly aired racism can be equated with slander (under "group defamation"), not to mention possibly being an irritating use of the logical fallacies of Bandwagon Appeal, Hasty Generalization, Ad Hominem, and Ad Populum.  Group defamation can be either a civil or criminal offense under the laws of most jurisdictions, and addressable through the courts, as it can lead to defamation of individuals within the targeted group. 

However, if a segment of the population feels determined to air such speech, other libertarian means of addressing it might include insistence upon holding a public debate or simply walking away from it. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
A few years ago the KKK did hold a rally in the vicinity of Ironton, MO.  While I did not see the rally, I was told of it.

I did notice one of the employees at the gas station at the edge of town (where I gas up on the way home), was openly wearing a handgun on his person.  The employee being a Black man probably figured  he might need protection, and imagine the owners approved his wearing the gun.

Also, a relative living in Indiana told me about 5 years ago that she knew of the KKK operating in Noblesville, IN, and she even saw a bunch of the members in their white garb and hats out in a field once.  Not sure if they move around a lot or just have many different "headquarters".


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Re: "Your papers please"
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2018, 09:27:43 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxC7wl10EtI&t=2115s  @ 33:25

Px researcher Igor Kostellac of Croatia shared correspondence this week from a friend of his in the Netherlands, saying that all Dutch citizens have received a set of registration cards that each household must fill out.  Furthermore, both residential neighborhoods and businesses were instructed to organize into small survival groups (Soc, could you please weigh in on this if you are able?).

Included in the mass mailing is a large card for filling out family information which must be placed in the doorway of each home, and smaller wallet cards which must be filled out and carried on the person of each member of the family.  The new ID must be shown upon demand to authorities.  Please see photo below.

Igor says that other countries in Europe are each receiving different types of emergency planning correspondence, staggered at differing times so that it is made to seem like a local concern rather than continental.  For example, citizens of Belgium may receive potassium iodide pills to keep in the event of a nuclear accident, while other nations send out earthquake survival information.

That seems reminiscent of a couple of years ago here in the States, when the U.S. Post Office sent out "continuity of mail" cards that everyone had to fill out if they wanted to continue receiving mail in an emergency.

R.R. This is interesting...thank you for posting this.

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Re: "Your papers please"
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2018, 04:48:37 AM »
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she even saw a bunch of the members in their white garb and hats out in a field once

I wonder if they realize how silly they look in all those white sheets?

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Re: "Your papers please"
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2018, 05:26:40 AM »
Now China has gone too far with its social credit scheme...

Public toilets may now require facial recognition before dispensing a 60 cm section of toilet paper every 9 minutes.

Maybe citizens should start carrying their own?

http://fortune.com/2017/03/20/facial-recognition-china-toilet-paper-thieves/
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Re: "Your papers please"
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2018, 06:31:32 AM »
Furthermore, both residential neighborhoods and businesses were instructed to organize into small survival groups (Soc, could you please weigh in on this if you are able?).
Sorry, not able. I am not registered with the city as resident. As far as they're concerned, i'm homeless.
This is pleasant and something i've consciously aimed for, for many years, since then they leave you alone as far as all kinds of crap are concerned. It also saves one a lot of money [when you're registered, you pay city taxes, have a mandatory healthcare insurance that's at least € 125/month and more].
I also don't listen to TV or radio. I doubt i'm missing out on anything, though...


Having followed the link and read the letter sent, this is an initiative by the (relatively small) town of Hoorn to its residents. In other words, this is not a 'Dutch' [i.e. national] initiative by any stretch of the imagination, for elected officials of cities have liberties to take such action, but it has no national [or even local, for that matter, legally speaking] consequence at all.
So, apparently, Igor lives in Hoorn and was freaked out... Understandable, but as we Dutch say: "Storm in een glas water": 'like a hurricane in a glass of water', i.e. ... no one cares.
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Re: "Your papers please"
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2018, 08:57:34 AM »
Thanks for weighing in Socrates.

He actually lives in another European country, and if I remember the discussion, was concerned that other locales in Europe were implementing various FEMA-type strategies proactively, apparently in expectation of coming events.

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Re: FEMA strategies
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2018, 12:16:09 AM »
Understandable, if not applaudable. Accident waiting to happen, as far as i'm concerned.
"FEMA" = "Agency for the 'Emergency Management' of the Federation", or in other words not some supposed legal governmental aspect of elected officials, but rather a subversive 'martial law government' in place to take over what's commonly referred to as government.
I've said it before: FEMA is so bad at 'emergency management' because that is simply not their objective; it is their cover. So when FEMA messes up everything after Katrina, it's not because they're incompetent [which they are], but it's because 'emergency management' is what they're about. Katrina was just an exercise in taking control. Katrina was nothing more than a welcome [as far as FEMA's concerned] opportunity to train its troups for more serious situations to come.

When people read "FEMA" they read it as follows:
"F": federal, i.e. governmental, national or legal; that is pure hogwash; does the "federal" in "Federal Reserve Bank" imply as much? No! The Federal Reserve Bank is a privately owned and operated institution that loans money to the U.S. government [another entity people commonly understand nothing about].
"E": emergency; yes, but an emergency for whom...? 'The people'? The country? Government? It makes no sense until you combine it with the next word...
"M": management... So it's commonly assumed that "managing an emergency" is just about being expedient and all that. But what about "emergency management" [which is in the name/acronym: "federal emergency management agency"]? "Emergency Management" is just a eufemism for martial law or for a parallel or pseudo government.
"A": "agent" really has so many meanings. Is it a "management agency" or an agency for emergency management [i.e. martial law]? Makes a big difference, right? Agents are a kind of support staff, right? But supporting what? Legal government? Martial law? Some pseudo-governmental institution [like the FDA or federal reserve]? These agents, to whom do they kowtow? It might be comforting to assume they support your legally elected government [whatever the hell that really means...], but what if TPTB are really just shoving it in your face:
"F": federal; applies to the whole federation but is definitely not synonymous for "national"...
"E": emergency; see "emergency management"
"M": managent of emergencies; what kind?! Natural? Political? Management?
"A": agency; Wikipedia: "Agency is the capacity of an actor to act in a given environment"; Merriam-Webster: "the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power" or "a person or thing through which power is exerted or an end is achieved".


So let's just be clear: "federal emergency management agency" can mean all kinds of things.
Did they lie to you? Not really.
One must understand that there are theories about universal laws in place here; were you warned? is one of such laws. The people in charge of whatever the hell is going on ultimately have to answer for their actions, but if they can say: "Hey, we warned them...", then they're off the hook (and they know it). So the warnings are all over the place.
Like in the case of FEMA, they're gonna say: "Look, nowhere was it written [think contracts!] that "FEMA" meant (or even implied) something like "national, legally elected governmental agency for the management of natural emergencies"; what people read into "FEMA" is their problem, not ours."
And, in the end they would be kinda right; no one told you to be gullible.
In the end there's this idea that the insane, immature and/or enslaved have an inherently different status than those who are sane, mature and free. And that if you act like a slave, child or retard, you should get your wish [i.e. Law of Attraction]. "Who am i to deny an individual their right to experience insanity, immaturity or slavery if they so choose?!", one might say.
So TPTB consider the choices of the masses as an implicit consent to rule over them. They were warned but instead thought to react as children/retards/slave; more power to them!
And, ultimately and in a way, they're right. It's a heartless logic, but it's consistent...


In the end, however, there is empathy and there is fear; these are the yin and yang of life. And accepting that those who are ignorant, foolish or misled be thrown down some bottemless rabbit hole is a merciless, opportunistic and self-serving attitude on a parr with 'evil' itself.
FEMA, therefore, is evil. It's about a well-organized pseudo government already in place and ready to pounce once it's time has come. FEMA isn't about helping people, it's about controlling them even more than is possible today.
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Re: "Your papers please"
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2018, 03:29:04 AM »
You speak the minds of many here Soc - not bad for a Dutchman!  ;)

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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2018, 11:54:26 AM »
This chick agrees with both of you, but you know what?  I'd bet 95-99% of Americans, if asked about FEMA and its purposes, would recite the government-issued mantra about "helping the citizens in time of need" or something similar.

I have read, though, that in the earliest stages it did appear, or try to appear to be, about rescuing and helping rescue people during natural disasters, but that didn't last long.  Maybe it was never meant to last more than one "season".  Most of us, if in some dire situation, would run and hide if we saw FEMA trucks or FEMA personnel coming our way.  And with good reason.

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Re: "Dutchman"
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2018, 12:24:16 AM »
You speak the minds of many here Soc - not bad for a Dutchman!  ;)
FEMA may be an American institution, but ultimately it's the idea of FEMA that matters. I mean, it's not just the U.S. government that can imagine or call into existence an entity like FEMA. Therefore this (American) entity should be a concern to all of the world, for any government anywhere might just copy or originally initiate the kind of logistics, organisation and choices FEMA shows us all are possible.
I'm just sayin'; there is much good in the U.S.A. [i.e. not the "U.S." (i.e. government)...] but there is much bad, as well; any smart person enjoys the good and avoids the bad.  :-*
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2018, 05:19:37 AM »
Understood, and well said!

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Re: "Your papers please": Identifying and tracking people by their cellphones
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2018, 07:10:45 AM »
Dahboo77 explains about new technology, courtesy of Purdue University, that treats cellphones like a digital fingerprint that can be scanned in every public location that has a camera equipped with the scanning device.  In turn, the cameras are able to communicate your whereabouts to other devices...

Might be best to leave the phone in the car now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUZxYqFLx-g

More here:

https://gizmodo.com/researchers-develop-tech-that-lets-surveillance-cameras-1826925391

This technology can be used to:

*Notice what artwork you view in a museum

*Alert Amazon which groceries you looked at in the grocery store so that Amazon can send you advertisements

*Fill protestors' phones with spam to prevent communication with each other

*surveil potential crime scenes (essentially everywhere)

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Purdue University's SIMBA Labs has developed a camera-to-human surveillance program called PHADE otherwise known as Private Human Addressing. The name of this new program, seems appropriate as everyone's privacy will soon phade fade away. (Pun intended.)



https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-06/pu-sas061418.php

https://aws.amazon.com/rekognition/faqs/?tag=gizmodoamzn-20&ascsubtag=e99920755ac58747cbd1bad070fcef3a8fb96949

https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-reportedly-in-talks-with-walmart-to-build-che-1826826691
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