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Re: Food shortages materializing
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2019, 03:46:20 PM »
Logic Before Authority presents a film clip of the head of our government negotiating with China to provide them 5 million tons of soybeans per day, when the total tonnage grown in the U.S. is 320,000 per day, in a year with somewhat normal weather patterns. 

GMO concerns aside, how would that leave anything at all for U.S. citizens?

Is the U.S. beholden to China to such a degree that our crops are being put up as collateral?

Or maybe this was just a communication snafu?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9q8YQE38JM (Logic Before Authority)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nhbGrswvuo (Original film of the negotiation)

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Re: Food shortages materializing
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2019, 07:00:34 PM »
Just double-checking the stats given in the story:

Here are USDA stats expressed in "tonnes," or metric tons, which are defined here:

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The British ton is the long ton, which is 2240 pounds, and the U.S. ton is the short ton which is 2000 pounds.

Both tons are actually defined in the same way. 1 ton is equal to 20 hundredweight. It is just the definition of the hundredweight that differs between countries. In the U.S. there are 100 pounds in the hundredweight, and in Britain there are 112 pounds in the hundredweight. This causes the actual weight of the ton to differ between countries.

To distinguish between the two tons, the smaller U.S. ton is called short, while the larger British ton is called long.

There is also an third type of ton called the metric ton, equal to 1000 kilograms, or approximately 2204 pounds. The metric ton is officially called tonne. The SI standard calls it tonne, but the U.S. Government recommends calling it metric ton.



https://www.iowafarmbureau.com/Article/File/get?path=Files%2Farticle-89866%2FSOYBEAN%20PROD%20EXPORTS-%2010062016%20.pdf

Page 24 of this document from the USDA shows 120 million metric tons of soybeans produced in the U.S. for the 2017/2018 fiscal year:
https://apps.fas.usda.gov/psdonline/circulars/production.pdf

So Logic's statement of there being 320,000 tons of soybeans produced per day in the U.S. equates to about 116 million tons in a year, which was correct for the 2016/2017 fiscal year, and would agree with the chart.  So the Chinese statesman's request of 5 million tons of soybeans per day from the U.S. is indeed impossible, and perhaps he meant per year instead?  However, he did place emphasis on "per day" in the film, which the President did not balk at, but maybe being agreeable on camera was a diplomatic tactic designed not to embarrass the Chinese negotiator in public?
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Re: Food shortages materializing
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2019, 08:05:48 PM »
Just double-checking the stats given in the story:

Here are USDA stats expressed in "tonnes," or metric tons, which are defined here:

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The British ton is the long ton, which is 2240 pounds, and the U.S. ton is the short ton which is 2000 pounds.

Both tons are actually defined in the same way. 1 ton is equal to 20 hundredweight. It is just the definition of the hundredweight that differs between countries. In the U.S. there are 100 pounds in the hundredweight, and in Britain there are 112 pounds in the hundredweight. This causes the actual weight of the ton to differ between countries.

To distinguish between the two tons, the smaller U.S. ton is called short, while the larger British ton is called long.

There is also an third type of ton called the metric ton, equal to 1000 kilograms, or approximately 2204 pounds. The metric ton is officially called tonne. The SI standard calls it tonne, but the U.S. Government recommends calling it metric ton.



https://www.iowafarmbureau.com/Article/File/get?path=Files%2Farticle-89866%2FSOYBEAN%20PROD%20EXPORTS-%2010062016%20.pdf

Page 24 of this document from the USDA shows 120 million metric tons of soybeans produced in the U.S. for the 2017/2018 fiscal year:
https://apps.fas.usda.gov/psdonline/circulars/production.pdf

So Logic's statement of there being 320,000 tons of soybeans produced per day in the U.S. equates to about 116 million tons in a year, which was correct for the 2016/2017 fiscal year, and would agree with the chart.  So the Chinese statesman's request of 5 million tons of soybeans per day from the U.S. is indeed impossible, and perhaps he meant per year instead?  However, he did place emphasis on "per day" in the film, which the President did not balk at, but maybe being agreeable on camera was a diplomatic tactic designed not to embarrass the Chinese negotiator in public?

ilinda thanks for doing some fact checking...
to me, this seems far-fetched, i will try to look at it again and dig deeper.

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Re: Food shortages materializing
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2019, 09:36:25 AM »
Thank you Barb, but it was actually RR Book who did all the research.

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Re: Food shortages materializing
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2019, 06:40:03 PM »
What was missing from the grocery store this morning (Wednesday), perhaps because of the winter storm earlier this week:

Potatoes
Bananas

Other items barely stocked.

What shortages have you noticed in your own market?  Please share.



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Re: Food shortages materializing
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2019, 08:26:40 PM »
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What shortages have you noticed in your own market?  Please share.

Roma tomatoes
Pecan pies

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Re: Food shortages materializing
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2019, 02:50:18 AM »
Thank you Barb, but it was actually RR Book who did all the research.

OK, just saw this. :)

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Re: Food shortages materializing
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2019, 05:16:33 AM »
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pecan pies

The priority of a true Southerner!  :)

Nearly 1,000 calories per slice!

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Re: Food shortages materializing
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2019, 06:09:00 AM »
Linking a valuable "boots on the ground" post from Solani as to how the grocery stores in Canada are looking right now:

https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,7054.msg110003.html#msg110003
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