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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2019, 01:42:57 PM »
A Plane Truth had taken the time to interview survivors of California's "Camp Fire," and compiled this list of peculiarities about that conflagration:

1. No evacuation orders were given, and a 911 emergency call center encouraged callers to remain in place. 

2. Police who were from another district blocked residents from exiting from their neighborhoods on the day the fires broke out

3. According to eyewitnesses, few people escaped, and most perished.  The only reason some escaped was due to either receiving a phone call from aware friends or seeing an alert posted on Facebook.

4. Fire departments stood down.

5. There were no winds that day.

6. PG&E had erected a massive encampment in the area weeks ahead of time

7. FEMA had also erected a massive encampment based at a local airport weeks ahead of time.


What is evident from the interviews of survivors:

1. There exists a tremendous deficit of information about the plight of those still unaccounted for

2. Survivors remain intensely traumatized, as evidenced by post-event shaking, stuttering, dazed passivity, and survivors' guilt.  A lifetime of counseling would likely be needed for them even to begin healing.

3. Whether by design or by default, multiple holocausts have occurred in California, about which we may never learn the whole truth, but we need to continue digging and holding PTB responsible for their errors of omission and commission.

RE, this is really interesting, and hoping this is not true at all, regarding the fire departments. This story from the "Plane Truth" I'm looking into it... to the best of my ability. some thoughts:
It seems contrary to common sense and all I have learned over the years, about fire departments that they would "stand down" in such a situation. Why would firemen do such a thing when to stand down would mean, many of them would be failing to protect their own areas, where their own family, neighbors, friends and businesses were located. If this story by the Plane "truth is false their story amounts to slander against the firemen in the area.

As I posted a few posts above, in an related CA fire, fire crews flew in clear from Idaho and other states. As we all know firemen and police risk their lives daily...in these fires.

I have no doubt some kind of major errors were made in this Camp Fire.... PGE keeps coming up as a major source of trouble... per wikipedia, at least 86 residents perished. What a mess... Going to see what I can find out, hard facts. Not able to fly to California to interview people so not so easy.

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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2019, 01:47:09 PM »
Barb, the journalist didn't make the error - it was direct eye-witness testimony from survivors, recorded on-camera.  They might have made an error?

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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2019, 01:51:53 PM »
He didn't use second-hand sources Barb.  He got into his car, took food, water, blankets, clothing to the survivors in person, and performed primary research by directly interviewing them on camera. 

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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #48 on: November 12, 2019, 02:06:43 PM »
Barb, the journalist didn't make the error - it was direct eye-witness testimony from survivors, recorded on-camera.  They might have made an error?

That is something i do not know.

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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2019, 02:07:56 PM »
Have some things to do first then will see who this journalist is, etc.

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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2019, 02:55:08 PM »
I submitted a Topic to Snopes, "Camp Fire 2018 firefighters stood down."

Looking into various stories of what happened.

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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #51 on: November 12, 2019, 03:04:23 PM »
Lost my post, will be doing a document then posting one story and several resources...some links...


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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #52 on: November 12, 2019, 03:47:02 PM »
This will take awhile to sort out fact from fiction...
Posting just one link and a few paragraphs, now regarding the Investigation into the Camp Fire of 2018. According to portions of this report not only were firefighters on duty so were the National Guard. Article states help from the air force was declined, and reason stated,  sounds like a dumb idea but the reason is stated in the article. Then the number of planes attacking the fire was 9 planes the first afternoon... Going to post this, will do an edit soon and add with the live links to these sources and references. The Investigation paragraphs post reports from the fire agencies and etc. to dig into more...
Will look at other sources of course... I bolded the headings of some paragraphs...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Fire_(2018)#Investigation

Fire resources were stretched as the fire began on the same day as the Woolsey Fire and the Hill Fire in Southern California; requiring on just the Camp Fire alone the equivalent of the entire 6,000 Cal Fire full-time fire professionals and both fires pulled resources from 17 states to respond.[148][149]

By the second day of the fire, only half the fire resources had assembled.[150] The initial response within Paradise was shouldered by Paradise's three fire engines in stations 81, 82, and 83, and the two engines at Butte County Cal Fire Station 35.[151]

At the height of deployment, there were applied resources of 5,596 firefighters (200 of these were prisoners[152]), 622 engines, 75 water tenders, 101 fire crews, 103 bulldozers, 24 helicopters carrying 600 gal buckets, and 12 fixed-wing aircraft on the fireline.[54]

The California National Guard activated 700 soldiers to assist,[159] including 100 military police officers from the 49th Brigade to provide security and search for remains with the assistance of 22 cadaver dogs.[160][161] The 2632nd Transportation company provided haul trucks.[162] The 140th Regiment provided air support. The 224th Sustainment Brigade constructed Alaska tents for temporary facilities.[163]

Evacuation centers
From November 8 to December 1, an encampment formed in a vacant lot next to the
Walmart store in nearby Chico.[164] The camp was in addition to motel room vouchers from FEMA and ten shelters established by the Red Cross and churches to house evacuees.[165] Over a hundred people had become ill with norovirus at the shelters due to poor hygiene in overcrowded centers—prompting many to camp outdoors.[166] Volunteers from across the region came to the camp and provided services for food, shelter, and sanitation; fire refugees referred to their camp as 'Wallywood.'[167] The camp population swelled to over a thousand people.[168] Butte County has a persistent homeless population of 7,500 people; many reside in Chico,[169] and some campers were revealed as resident homeless people who did not live in the fire zone.[170] On December 1, the firefighter camp facilities at the Butte County Fairgrounds became available, whereupon the Walmart camp was closed and the field fenced off, with the remaining fifty refugees relocated to the firefighters' camp.[164]

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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2019, 03:53:27 PM »
He didn't use second-hand sources Barb.  He got into his car, took food, water, blankets, clothing to the survivors in person, and performed primary research by directly interviewing them on camera.

RE Fire fighters standing down: Going to look into that video more and the sources given, According to wikipedia report,  there were thousands of firefighters fighting the fire and the national guard helping too. "Just the Camp Fire alone the equivalent of the entire 6,000 Cal Fire full-time fire professionals and both fires pulled resources from 17 states to respond."

All the links need to be checked out etc.

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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2019, 05:29:52 PM »
Thanks for digging into this Barb.

I wonder if the individual survivor interviewed meant that they stood down for his particular area? 

There are films on-line of fire fighters standing helplessly watching an inferno quickly overtake an area, and not even trying to put it out.

 There was one comment today that once a fire reaches a certain temperature, water will not put it out.
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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2019, 06:42:31 PM »
Here's an unusual new theory from SGT Reports:

Non-native eucalyptus trees have been imported into California for a number of years now, and contain highly flammable volatile oils...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3E6SxUPfs4

Wonder if those imported eucalyptus trees are GM?  "They" are already planting GM eucalyptus trees, and it would be no surprise if CA were found to be one of the locations.  Further, some who order eucalyptus oil on Amazon post their opinions about the product, in this case eucalyptus oil, and a number of people say things such as, "this doesn't smell anything like the eucalyptus oil I know about...", and "this stuff smells terrible...".   So IMHO it's likely the new eucalyptus trees are genetically mutated, and maybe their oils have changed substantially.

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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #56 on: November 13, 2019, 04:11:42 AM »
Which brings up the question: if not being raised for their aromatic oils, then why are they being planted en masse in California?

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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2019, 08:12:48 AM »
It looks as if our meditation for rain in California has worked, all thanks to Heaven:

This was in the news a few days ago:

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More than 13 million under a flash flood advisory as Southern California gets first significant rain since May

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/19/weather/california-rain-southwest-storm-wxc/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-wildfires-flash-floods-evacuations-malibu-camp-fire-in-north/

We on Town Hall in no way claim responsibility for the flooding or mudslides which resulted from the torrential rains...
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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2019, 09:27:51 AM »
Thanks for digging into this Barb.

I wonder if the individual survivor interviewed meant that they stood down for his particular area? 

There are films on-line of fire fighters standing helplessly watching an inferno quickly overtake an area, and not even trying to put it out.

 There was one comment today that once a fire reaches a certain temperature, water will not put it out.

R.R. I had missed your post.
Yes it is possible the "standing down" which the survivor mentioned, might have been in an individual situation, maybe it was a hopeless one...
I will have to look into the story more, sorry about delay...

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Re: WILDFIRES, other fires, 2019
« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2019, 09:28:57 AM »


 There was one comment today that once a fire reaches a certain temperature, water will not put it out.


R.R. thanks for this info... not sure I knew this... sounds so horrific...

 

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