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Cats
« on: April 24, 2019, 06:57:31 AM »
Every homestead needs a cat or two to keep rodents away from food supplies, as well as keeping their fleas and droppings away from the house.

This thread is dedicated to that important member of the family  :)

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Re: Cats
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2019, 07:09:50 AM »
There has been much debate and experimentation in our household as to whether to apply off-the-shelf flea and tick medication to our two cats.

We've suffered a few times in the past with indoor flea outbreaks for lack of more diligent attention to this issue.  It seems that we can get away without chemicals for a while, and then boom, we're infested.

While we've tried various herbal solutions, we're not completely sold on the results yet.  One historic B & B in the area grows catmint amidst pennyroyal in the garden, in hopes that its numerous cats will roll on both and not bring fleas and ticks indoors.  They have had mixed results.

Having a childhood friend who awoke one morning to discover that her dog had died after becoming hung on a fence by his flea collar, I'm reluctant to use collars on the cats.

Chemical "topspots" lose their effectiveness every now and then, and need to be reformulated, meaning stronger in some cases.  We have found the Frontline Plus to be too strong for our smaller cat, burning her neck so severely that she loses fur and blisters badly.  The larger kitty can tolerate it, but it seems to make him tired for a day or two. 

So in the interest of keeping fleas and ticks out of the house, and the many diseases which they harbor, we have opted to apply topspot only to the larger cat, and only from April 1 through October 1.  Because the drug is effective for a distance from the medicated cat, he is able to walk throughout the house killing the blood suckers wherever they may be hiding, meaning that the smaller cat is protected without needing to be dosed.

As flea and tick control will be crucial in the Aftertime, we may need to be stocking some sort of prevention method ahead of time.

What have others experienced?


This brand is identical to Frontline, but much less expensive.
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Re: Cats
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2019, 07:22:19 AM »
Both of our cats came down with a skin rash beneath their fur after receiving vaccinations last year, and nothing seemed to clear the condition up until we planted chives indoors in the autumn in a sunny window, which the cats enjoy looking out of.

We were surprised to discover that the cats took an immediate liking to the chives, and would eat them down to the bare soil throughout the winter.  Fortunately the plants would bounce back quickly.

Am guessing that not only did the chives provide the nutrients of fresh greens, but also all of the medicinal qualities of alliums.  We have not seen any toxic effects, but their coats are sleek and the cats no longer have skin rashes.

Will be interested to see what happens with the next set of vaccinations.  We only permit rabies and feline distemper shots, and have requested that they be given separately, one at a time, in the future.


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Re: Cats
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2019, 12:36:45 PM »
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We've suffered a few times in the past with indoor flea outbreaks for lack of more diligent attention to this issue.  It seems that we can get away without chemicals for a while, and then boom, we're infested.

Here is an interesting experience:  An owner of a Spooky2-Scalar device took one flea from his cat, crushed it, and put it on the plate of the S2S transmitter.  He said that immediately the cat had no fleas.

S2S is expensive as a one-time outlay,  but usage requires only minor electrical power thereafter.  I have one and sleep in it's scalar field.  That, or something, is working for me.  (Age 85 and no meds nor MD visits in last 20 years - ever since I got back to USA and took charge of my own health.)

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Re: Cats
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2019, 02:12:37 PM »
Awesome Jim!  And spooky as the name implies, regarding the way the field conveyed the intent of the squished flea from the unit to the cat...


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Re: Cats
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2019, 03:18:06 PM »


I'm still not sold on cats. I once got me one and it refused to hunt. And then i learn about all of the destruction cats have caused, in fact wiping out entire ecosystems in some cases.
Just as rabbits that were introduced into Australia, goats on Rapa Nui, etc. etc., but being on the top of the food chain, cats are even more destructive when they go out hunting every night taking out lizards and the like (that might otherwise be eating insects).

I have to wonder whether they're worth the trouble. My allergy to their hair is another issue. And aside from hay fever i used to get, it's the only allergy i've ever had to contend with.
I wonder if a 'brave new world' would be better off with or without cats. Their existence could very well threaten variety in the ecosystem surrounding where they live, thereby leading to subtle but real imbalances (that weaken the system's ability to withstand incidents like drought or disease).
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Re: Cats
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2019, 04:00:57 PM »
Very interesting perspective Soc. :)

Perhaps mostly-indoor felines might have less of a negative impact on the environment?  Mine do all of their mice-catching in the root cellar, though they have brought in a few young snakes and a chipmunk...

I used to be extremely allergic to cats until I got my first one some years back.  Am usually allergic to subsequent new cats at first, as well.  But there seems to be a mysterious and relatively quick adaptation to each new one after a brief period of acclimation, in which cat + human love somehow neutralizes the immune response.

As long as I don't smooch them too much and end up with fur in my eyes ::)

I suppose such conquest on the part of the cats makes me their vassal in some respects... 8)


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Re: indoor cats
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2019, 11:23:53 PM »
Perhaps mostly-indoor felines might have less of a negative impact on the environment?
Some always will go feral [cats aren't actually tame so that's not accurate: they're wild already and therefore cannot become feral] but even those attached to human household might breed in the wild. But forget the wild, they will breed and what to do with all those kittens?
Their breeding cannot be contained like that of dogs since they'll always be going out at night doing their cat thing.

Cat lovers are of course biased but common sense and logic suggest they are a real environmental hazard.
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Re: Cats
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2019, 04:38:02 AM »
Totally agree about feral breeders.  We keep our fixed cats indoors at night, and only allow them out briefly in the daytime with supervision (for exposure to sunlight, fresh air, and exercise). 

I'm a big proponent of spaying and neutering, unless an owner wants to allow two house cats to produce one litter so that the mother can fulfill her maternal instincts and complete her life cycle (I believe The Natural Cat suggested this way back when that book was published).

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Re: Cats
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2019, 11:55:16 AM »


BTW, That's a really nice portrait Soc!  :)

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Re: Cats
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2019, 06:22:30 PM »
Here is an interesting experience:  An owner of a Spooky2-Scalar device took one flea from his cat, crushed it, and put it on the plate of the S2S transmitter.  He said that immediately the cat had no fleas.

S2S is expensive as a one-time outlay,  but usage requires only minor electrical power thereafter.  I have one and sleep in it's scalar field.  That, or something, is working for me.  (Age 85 and no meds nor MD visits in last 20 years - ever since I got back to USA and took charge of my own health.)
Amazing, Jim.  You're obviously doing something (or a lot of things) right.  You go!

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Re: Cats
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2019, 06:45:18 PM »
There has been much debate and experimentation in our household as to whether to apply off-the-shelf flea and tick medication to our two cats.

We've suffered a few times in the past with indoor flea outbreaks for lack of more diligent attention to this issue.  It seems that we can get away without chemicals for a while, and then boom, we're infested.

While we've tried various herbal solutions, we're not completely sold on the results yet.  One historic B & B in the area grows catmint amidst pennyroyal in the garden, in hopes that its numerous cats will roll on both and not bring fleas and ticks indoors.  They have had mixed results.

Having a childhood friend who awoke one morning to discover that her dog had died after becoming hung on a fence by his flea collar, I'm reluctant to use collars on the cats.

Chemical "topspots" lose their effectiveness every now and then, and need to be reformulated, meaning stronger in some cases.  We have found the Frontline Plus to be too strong for our smaller cat, burning her neck so severely that she loses fur and blisters badly.  The larger kitty can tolerate it, but it seems to make him tired for a day or two. 

So in the interest of keeping fleas and ticks out of the house, and the many diseases which they harbor, we have opted to apply topspot only to the larger cat, and only from April 1 through October 1.  Because the drug is effective for a distance from the medicated cat, he is able to walk throughout the house killing the blood suckers wherever they may be hiding, meaning that the smaller cat is protected without needing to be dosed.

As flea and tick control will be crucial in the Aftertime, we may need to be stocking some sort of prevention method ahead of time.

What have others experienced?


This brand is identical to Frontline, but much less expensive.
Years ago, possibly 20 or more, we found a product called GREEN BAN, and came as a powder in a 4 oz. container with bold green lid and the name GREEN BAN was also in bold green on a beige background with other text being black.  I say this in the event someone sees it somewhere!  When our container was empty, I/we tried for the longest time to find more, but never could.  But "just in case" I have saved the empty container as a reminder of what the bottle looks like.

This powder shakes out of the inner lid which contains four longitudinal slots, and seems to effectively dust the animal.  This stuff really helped repel fleas and other biting insects.  According to the label it is "for cats and dogs".

The label says, "this soothing, pleasant-smelling natural powder for cats and dogs contains fresh-ground mint, the finest quality asbestos-free talc, and the pure, natural essential oils of cajuput, peppermint, eucalypt, and myrrh."

It is dusted on, and we usually dusted it along the length of the spine, and legs as well.  The cat would always hate being held down and dusted with anything, but that's tough!  LOL   We may have to make our own version, as not only did it work, but was not toxic.

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Re: Cats
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2019, 07:03:12 PM »


I'm still not sold on cats. I once got me one and it refused to hunt. And then i learn about all of the destruction cats have caused, in fact wiping out entire ecosystems in some cases.
Just as rabbits that were introduced into Australia, goats on Rapa Nui, etc. etc., but being on the top of the food chain, cats are even more destructive when they go out hunting every night taking out lizards and the like (that might otherwise be eating insects).

I have to wonder whether they're worth the trouble. My allergy to their hair is another issue. And aside from hay fever i used to get, it's the only allergy i've ever had to contend with.
I wonder if a 'brave new world' would be better off with or without cats. Their existence could very well threaten variety in the ecosystem surrounding where they live, thereby leading to subtle but real imbalances (that weaken the system's ability to withstand incidents like drought or disease).
Your mention of "wiping out entire ecosystems" is excellent and here is why:

We are clearing rainforests to feed our carnivore pets.  Not only that but CAFO's (Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations, AKA factory farms) are also the result of the voracious appetite for meat.  All one has to do is read the labels of pet food and realize that for every puppy or kitten born, who is to be fed from a bag, there will be more and more rainforest acreage cleared, and/or CAFO's built.  Some rainforest s cleared to make way for cattle.  Others, for growing GM soy or GM corn. 

There are a few exceptions, for example organic petfood, or the fact that some people actually make their own pet food, but still where did the meat come from that goes into that homemade cat- or dogfood?  Unless someone is living as many farm families did back in the 1930's and before, where their dog or cat was fed table scraps, but nothing from a bag, it is unlikely that today's carnivore pet food is even remotely sustainable.

So when we talk about destroying entire ecosystems, we'd be wise to look in the mirror.


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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2019, 06:35:33 AM »
Please let us know if you ever find Green Ban again Ilinda.  Our local health food store used to carry herbal collars at one time, but no longer does. 
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Re: Cats
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2019, 02:27:17 PM »
I looked up cajeput/cajuput, and apparently it is in the genus Melaleuca, which IIRC is something pushed by some of the alternative or traditional health care practitioners.
One search yielded:   noun: cajuput; noun: cajeput; noun: cajuput oil; plural noun: cajuput oils; noun: cajeput oil; plural noun: cajuputs; plural noun: cajeputs
    1.
    an aromatic medicinal oil that is similar to eucalyptus oil, obtained from a tree of the myrtle


Am betting that "mint, asbestos-free talc, and essential oils of cajuput, peppermint, eucalypt, and myrrh" might be a combination someone could concoct in the home.  In fact, since cajuput/cajeput it similar to eucalyptus, maybe it isn't even needed.  I wonder about a combination of peppermint, spearmint, eucalyptus, and myrrh, or possibly some other equally aromatic combo.  I even wonder of the necessity for talc.  It isn't noted for its smell, so what purpose would it serve?  Well, these and many other questions will have to wait.  Back to the research and if anything looks promising, will post it here.

 

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