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Yowbarb - SURVIVING the CHANGES => Survival Shelter and Location Ideas => Topic started by: Carlg on April 20, 2010, 02:36:10 PM

Title: Some Shelter Ideas Carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Carlg on April 20, 2010, 02:36:10 PM
I am not sure what is going to be needed given all the possible scenarios for 2012 and beyond.  This is a good a place as any to talk about what YOU are going to do and maybe that will help others to consider their options.
Because I do not think I will survive much past the initial problems I have not thought much about shelter, but those of you who plan on surviving will need to consider much.   Worst case is that most will either be washed away or burned up. 

What is left then but the land, soil, dirt and that is the basis of all.    I remember years ago of seeing a sod house, well not much sod left but there might be.  I also remember in a "Mother Earth" magazine reading about rammed earth homes.   I also read about people digging homes into the ground, heavy clay and in some place rock.  I think there are place in Australia where living in dug caves is common. 
Okay this is a start lets hear some other ideas.
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Yowbarb on May 08, 2010, 09:00:25 PM
I am not sure what is going to be needed given all the possible scenarios for 2012 and beyond.  This is a good a place as any to talk about what YOU are going to do and maybe that will help others to consider their options.
Because I do not think I will survive much past the initial problems I have not thought much about shelter, but those of you who plan on surviving will need to consider much.   Worst case is that most will either be washed away or burned up. 

What is left then but the land, soil, dirt and that is the basis of all.    I remember years ago of seeing a sod house, well not much sod left but there might be.  I also remember in a "Mother Earth" magazine reading about rammed earth homes.   I also read about people digging homes into the ground, heavy clay and in some place rock.  I think there are place in Australia where living in dug caves is common. 
Okay this is a start lets hear some other ideas.

Hello Carl,
well here's hoping you will be OK during the coming changes.
I don't have my land or shelter yet.
There have been diferent ideas posted on the forum. Including the Town Hall. I feel these would probably stand up to the earth changes:
Steel shipping containers, reinforced across the sides and top corners. I'm guessing that wood would be OK.

RVs and trailers set down in the earth, reinforcement structure set over it.
Before it's set in, the drainage system needs to be in and tall vents for air and etc. Then all or partly buried.

Oil tanker shells- professionally cleaned out - create a shelter... it's
been done will post some links...

Big cement pipes turned into a home. The ends need to be secured. Has to be a way to get out... buried too.

Reinforced concrete monolithic domes... not much in the way of windows. Or none. A hatch at the top ladder going down/Submarine type door at top and etc. Bermed over with pipes set in leading to surface.

You probably saw this,
image:
(http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2008/08/concrete-pipe-hotel.jpg)


Gud nite,
Yowbarb





 













 
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on May 11, 2010, 07:56:48 PM
Hi Carl, Barb and all,

For those who can understand a little of spanish, there is an interesting video from Biovivienda (bio-home) which I found very interesting. The spanish spoken in the video is pretty fast, the way people from Spain (specially Madrid) love to speak. It is fast for me at least, not a spanish language native. But I do recommend watching it.

http://www.biovivienda.com/video-demo.html (http://www.biovivienda.com/video-demo.html)

BR to all,

Carlos
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Yowbarb on May 12, 2010, 03:32:42 AM
Hi Carl, Barb and all,

For those who can understand a little of spanish, there is an interesting video from Biovivienda (bio-home) which I found very interesting. The spanish spoken in the video is pretty fast, the way people from Spain (specially Madrid) love to speak. It is fast for me at least, not a spanish language native. But I do recommend watching it.

http://www.biovivienda.com/video-demo.html (http://www.biovivienda.com/video-demo.html)

BR to all,

Carlos

Carl thank you for posting this video,
Going to copy this and put it over in the European section.
International Survival > EU Continental > Miscellaneous videos, postings in German, French, Spanish etc.

https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=311.0 (https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=311.0)

Carlos, este v
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: ASEEKERTOO on July 31, 2010, 05:38:31 PM
OR, for only $50,000 dollars you could buy your way into a shelter for 1 year. 8)
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/timeshare-doomsday-shelters/6azjpwr?q=Natural+disaster&rel=msn&from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=42007 (http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/timeshare-doomsday-shelters/6azjpwr?q=Natural+disaster&rel=msn&from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=42007)
Sigh, I guess I'll just have to tuff it out.    David
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Yowbarb on July 31, 2010, 11:54:28 PM
OR, for only $50,000 dollars you could buy your way into a shelter for 1 year. 8)
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/timeshare-doomsday-shelters/6azjpwr?q=Natural+disaster&rel=msn&from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=42007 (http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/timeshare-doomsday-shelters/6azjpwr?q=Natural+disaster&rel=msn&from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=42007)
Sigh, I guess I'll just have to tuff it out.    David

David, this is good to know and thanks for posting. Someone reading this could get some good
out of this idea.
All The Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 01, 2010, 10:45:20 AM
I can afford about 2 hours and 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Linda on August 01, 2010, 03:41:36 PM
I can afford about 2 hours and 20 minutes.

Ed LOL :P

Linda
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: AG on August 20, 2010, 07:13:52 PM
Hi
I'm new on this forum but I'm studding all the situation for about 2 years. I'm in the next phase maybe 4 as Marshall say or just 5, I do not know but anyway is hard to tell people as they are just like Thomas. They need to see it and that is too late, way to late.
This are the plans I have and I like to share them with you and see what you think.
1. Production of electricity using a aether energy ( ZPE) and such-only. This is easy if you work on it and you have sum ...
2. Is creating communities and that is not for one, few of them , so in case one is going down, you can move up to other close or such. In this communities you will need a lot to survive for few years, so is a new life and need to start it somehow. Some adobe bricks around is good and lots of wood inside
3. I'm thinking on communities as a pentagonal or hex type of "circle" with oceanic trailers . Put them in order and put them under some movable way with a ball in each corner. Maybe some cement under or such, but I do not know yet the "base". From that put an umbrella over them and put dirt. This will create a "shelter " and that shelter should not be all in the ground, need to slide with the  crust of Earth, not opposition too much of motions. So in this containers you will have: food, other people can be in that communities, some animals, food for animals , tools ( lot's of manual tools in special), some protection, wood for stoves, medical ( homeopathy in special) and collect as many home made remedies as you can, etc. Electrical car is a must to have, as the only way in that day. A flying car will be so much better.

On number one I have an excellent way to make it happen if I have some more time.
On the people to make them to work on the same idea , this is hard in this days: first because of the economy , second because of "Thomas syndrome" and of course the third is because of the government etc. People like to be lead by gov or somebody in charge. Nobody as we know will take the "charge" from the gov. , scientific communities , banking etc. So we are alone and need to make it happen.
I notice on this issue people like to be “loaner” , so they think , they can do it only by themselves. I think this is the worst as this shift is much bigger that anybody as we know.
I have a business and I have a good web conf and later on I like to form at least group of people to "talk" over this and make plans.
So here I'm starting and I will go on with this plan and refine it as much I can. So please make your comments. later on I can put some picture from a CAD program and that will give some ideas.

A.
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Road Warrior on August 24, 2010, 11:03:30 AM
I would like to know as to what extent one should go to in building a shelter ...when the governments are building bases which are to hold thousands of people. the Norway seed vault etc etc . how much radiation are we talking about here ??

how long will it last ?

do we need to go to ground for years ???

I am planning on putting 3 sea cans in the ground beside the house and cover with a layer of concrete covered with dirt .

we have a significant supply of food and supplies ..

I plan on coming out the other side of this , thats for sure  8)

I also have a semi abandoned mine in the mountain just up the road from us ..so worse case we are going to go there, I could just about drive the motorhome right inside it
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Lori on August 24, 2010, 12:20:33 PM
Wow looks like your all set.  If worse comes to worse we'll head to Tennesse's Lookout Mountain.  Ruby Falls is good place for us to go to.  It has an underground water source and even a cafateria inside the Caves.

http://rubyfalls.com (http://rubyfalls.com)
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: AG on August 27, 2010, 05:56:07 AM
Keep in mind: 1- if you go underground all earth will push on you. so if you put all the shelter into the ground may very well crash and you have no way to get out. 2. if you go in a mine, that will tumble over you too. As is clear the crust will create a lot of pressure all over the planet.
All government underground will probably be crashed and that is good, as we need to get out clean from this pole shift. we need a new "government". if the same one will be in place, we will have all the time problem.
Is a good time to clean the house. so this is one nice part about it.

so in my opinion, need to slide with the force. up and down.

Adrian
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 27, 2010, 12:31:57 PM
One of the best ideas I have heard, is to dig a 3 foot deep trench system, and use it to stay away from wind and debris, yet not be deep enough that it can collapse on you. I like it.  ed
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: AG on August 28, 2010, 06:22:12 PM
One of the best ideas I have heard, is to dig a 3 foot deep trench system, and use it to stay away from wind and debris, yet not be deep enough that it can collapse on you. I like it.  ed

This is my plan too, in case I can do it.
I plan to make a probably cement base, but I'm not sure now. As you know take time to "think" and read more and imagine.
But I like to put on top of the trailers an umbrella to have "wheels" at the end and just float on the land. some springs on the top and are of the wheels is good. So some truck wheels like Chevy suburban or such. , Under the wheels I'm thinking to get the cement with a long poll to keep it kind of strait... and bounce..
Again is a plan and I have some CAD programs and one day I will do some calculation and see what else. The cost is high...that way need to programmed..
A
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: planetxsurvivor on August 31, 2010, 07:24:04 PM
I really don't know what's going to work, but I'm sure the best solution will change with changing circumstances and new events. 

I'm doing my best to prepare for projected conditions, but I rely on God for guidance, and I follow my intuition.  From my perspective, that will be the true test of my qualification to survive the Nibiru experience.

As I go about my normal life activities, I continually look for potential solutions to the need for a variety of safe shelters, short and long term food storage, reasonable methods to preserve seeds for high-water-content foods that I like, potentially tillable soil in the aftermath, how to totally avoid (or defend against) desperados, and how to find qualified candidates that share a similar survival vision.

I can't help thinking how much 'Road Warrior' looks like Bruce Willis!  :^)

I've done a fair amount of hiking in drainage tubes, just out of curiosity, and I like YowBarb's images of conversion to sleeping quarters.   Drainage pipes are ubiquitous in populated areas, are easily accessible, and 95% of them will provide sufficient xray/gamma protection from violent solar flares. 

I have identified an unused hidden tube near my home, about 40 feet above sea level, which goes under a 6-lane highway, and has a 6' elevated section of tube near the marsh-grass inlet, which is essentially invisible and foreboding (a real plus).  This could provide temporary or prolonged emergency shelter in the event of violent solar flares.  It also has a continual flow of "fresh" mountain drainage water that could be carbon filtered with a Brita.   

When the surrounding earth ungoes violent upheaval, my sectional cement tube would simply pop up through the highway, with me still in it.  My hideout would be exposed and my tea would spill on my shirt, but I would still be alive.   The same tube inside a mountain or deep underground would most likely collapse from external pressure.  Abandoned mines occasionally collapse without an earthquake.   Options are good, but that would not be my first option, unless daytime land temperature was too high for survival.

When the earth's crust moves, metal containers will simply be crushed.  I would avoid them.

There are a few recycled Nike missile operation tunnels on the coasts.  They are fortified, are often stronger than the dirt they were placed in, and would be very good bunkers.  However, they are usually in use by state or local government agencys for something else (antenna/radio towers, storage, etc.), and fenced, heavily locked, and probably monitored with alarms and/or cameras.   Excellent bunkers, but basically inaccessible.  Those with keys would probably use them for their own survival, which is understandable.

Caves.  There are several well-known and often visited commercial caves.  When the earth's crust moves, those which survived previous Nibiru visits, will probably survive this one.  I expect operators will be quickly over-whelmed by local or traveling desperados.  As more desperate folks flock to well-known caves, I would expect cave resource usage will exceed maximum, and some must wait outside, unless they have more persuasive tools than those making the rules inside.  I think you get the picture.

However, there are many lesser known caves.  The more remote the cave, the more likely you can survive in peace with a small community that does not exceed cave resources.  If you do the cave option, be aware there are unseen dangers in caves, primarily bad air, acidic water, radon, lack of artificial lighting, cliffs, and potential for drowning.  Lava tubes make great caves, so don't dismiss them, but if volcanic activity returns, it could become warmer than you like.

Advantage of caves: constant temperature, 50-75, depending on altitude and volcanic activity, but typically 65F in low lands, 55F in mountains.  Very quiet, no TV, no computer, no iPad, no texting.  Very dark, all the time (allows 3rd eye to open). 

Use of caves in last fly-by: I recently read one passage in the Christian bible about the flight of Moses and the Israelites from Egypt, before they crossed the Red Sea on dry land.  There was a brief reference to use of caves by the Egyptians.  I don't remember the exact wording, and I don't remember any explanation of why, but in summary, they died.  Perhaps they didn't have concrete, or perhaps the weight of the mountain exceeded the strength of the cave walls.  In any case, it gave me another perspective on using caves for shelter from forces of Nibiru.

In summary, I will learn as much as I can about possible options, but in the end I will put my trust in God, follow my intuition, and be nimble on my feet. 

I hope these thoughts help some of you folks with your perspective and options.

BTW: Since you mentioned it, a ditch can provide emergency protection from an emminent solar blast of gamma/xray that makes it through the Van Allen belts, but only if you are in the shade of the dirt or cement on the side of the ditch, and remain in its shade until the blast subsides.  The rule that applies: acceptable gamma/xray mitigation requires 24+" of dirt, or 16+" of concrete.
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: noproblemo2 on August 31, 2010, 08:16:55 PM
Very well thought out planetxsurvivor. Thank you for your input and welcome nice to have you here.
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Yowbarb on September 01, 2010, 09:23:27 AM
One of the best ideas I have heard, is to dig a 3 foot deep trench system, and use it to stay away from wind and debris, yet not be deep enough that it can collapse on you. I like it.  ed

Maybe someone else posted it too not sure... I had posted an idea to have trenches all around the survival land, leading to the entrance to the shelter... covered. So if stuff starts blowing and flying at tleast there will be some shelter... would have to enter down into the trench could be covered with grates... wooden planks just enough hold so a person could run under there and get to point B - entrance to shelter... trenches could be on the periphery from the entrance of the land to the entrance to the shelter and off to the sides in grids. Doesn't have to be complicated...

Places to drive down into too... and shelter the vehicle...
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Yowbarb on September 01, 2010, 09:34:08 AM
I really don't know what's going to work, but I'm sure the best solution will change with changing circumstances and new events. 

I'm doing my best to prepare for projected conditions, but I rely on God for guidance, and I follow my intuition.  From my perspective, that will be the true test of my qualification to survive the Nibiru experience.

As I go about my normal life activities, I continually look for potential solutions to the need for a variety of safe shelters, short and long term food storage, reasonable methods to preserve seeds for high-water-content foods that I like, potentially tillable soil in the aftermath, how to totally avoid (or defend against) desperados, and how to find qualified candidates that share a similar survival vision.

I can't help thinking how much 'Road Warrior' looks like Bruce Willis!  :^)

I've done a fair amount of hiking in drainage tubes, just out of curiosity, and I like YowBarb's images of conversion to sleeping quarters.   Drainage pipes are ubiquitous in populated areas, are easily accessible, and 95% of them will provide sufficient xray/gamma protection from violent solar flares. 

I have identified an unused hidden tube near my home, about 40 feet above sea level, which goes under a 6-lane highway, and has a 6' elevated section of tube near the marsh-grass inlet, which is essentially invisible and foreboding (a real plus).  This could provide temporary or prolonged emergency shelter in the event of violent solar flares.  It also has a continual flow of "fresh" mountain drainage water that could be carbon filtered with a Brita.   

When the surrounding earth ungoes violent upheaval, my sectional cement tube would simply pop up through the highway, with me still in it.  My hideout would be exposed and my tea would spill on my shirt, but I would still be alive.   The same tube inside a mountain or deep underground would most likely collapse from external pressure.  Abandoned mines occasionally collapse without an earthquake.   Options are good, but that would not be my first option, unless daytime land temperature was too high for survival.

When the earth's crust moves, metal containers will simply be crushed.  I would avoid them.

There are a few recycled Nike missile operation tunnels on the coasts.  They are fortified, are often stronger than the dirt they were placed in, and would be very good bunkers.  However, they are usually in use by state or local government agencys for something else (antenna/radio towers, storage, etc.), and fenced, heavily locked, and probably monitored with alarms and/or cameras.   Excellent bunkers, but basically inaccessible.  Those with keys would probably use them for their own survival, which is understandable.

Caves.  There are several well-known and often visited commercial caves.  When the earth's crust moves, those which survived previous Nibiru visits, will probably survive this one.  I expect operators will be quickly over-whelmed by local or traveling desperados.  As more desperate folks flock to well-known caves, I would expect cave resource usage will exceed maximum, and some must wait outside, unless they have more persuasive tools than those making the rules inside.  I think you get the picture.

However, there are many lesser known caves.  The more remote the cave, the more likely you can survive in peace with a small community that does not exceed cave resources.  If you do the cave option, be aware there are unseen dangers in caves, primarily bad air, acidic water, radon, lack of artificial lighting, cliffs, and potential for drowning.  Lava tubes make great caves, so don't dismiss them, but if volcanic activity returns, it could become warmer than you like.

Advantage of caves: constant temperature, 50-75, depending on altitude and volcanic activity, but typically 65F in low lands, 55F in mountains.  Very quiet, no TV, no computer, no iPad, no texting.  Very dark, all the time (allows 3rd eye to open). 

Use of caves in last fly-by: I recently read one passage in the Christian bible about the flight of Moses and the Israelites from Egypt, before they crossed the Red Sea on dry land.  There was a brief reference to use of caves by the Egyptians.  I don't remember the exact wording, and I don't remember any explanation of why, but in summary, they died.  Perhaps they didn't have concrete, or perhaps the weight of the mountain exceeded the strength of the cave walls.  In any case, it gave me another perspective on using caves for shelter from forces of Nibiru.

In summary, I will learn as much as I can about possible options, but in the end I will put my trust in God, follow my intuition, and be nimble on my feet. 

I hope these thoughts help some of you folks with your perspective and options.

BTW: Since you mentioned it, a ditch can provide emergency protection from an emminent solar blast of gamma/xray that makes it through the Van Allen belts, but only if you are in the shade of the dirt or cement on the side of the ditch, and remain in its shade until the blast subsides.  The rule that applies: acceptable gamma/xray mitigation requires 24+" of dirt, or 16+" of concrete.


Planetxsurvivor this is a good post, interesting points and questions. More later on it...I posted a welcome to you here, Yowbarb

https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,635.195.html (https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,635.195.html)
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Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Yowbarb on September 01, 2010, 09:35:47 AM
One of the best ideas I have heard, is to dig a 3 foot deep trench system, and use it to stay away from wind and debris, yet not be deep enough that it can collapse on you. I like it.  ed

This is my plan too, in case I can do it.
I plan to make a probably cement base, but I'm not sure now. As you know take time to "think" and read more and imagine.
But I like to put on top of the trailers an umbrella to have "wheels" at the end and just float on the land. some springs on the top and are of the wheels is good. So some truck wheels like Chevy suburban or such. , Under the wheels I'm thinking to get the cement with a long poll to keep it kind of strait... and bounce..
Again is a plan and I have some CAD programs and one day I will do some calculation and see what else. The cost is high...that way need to programmed..
A

AG welcome to the discussion, good post,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: AG on September 07, 2010, 08:05:06 PM
Is not only during hte pole shift is after and after after in time.
As all resources will be out in the after time, we will need to think on that too. As survivors will have "no power" to survive in fact.
Is so simple now.
Again is about people and forming communities is important as individual is not going to survive, only a "community " can survive.
A
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Jimfarmer on September 17, 2010, 12:03:12 PM
This just in via email:

"How to build a bunker is still the most popular
subject on our blog and therefore we decided to
dedicate 120 pages to 16 different types of bunkers.
Unlike most other guides, you will find a bunker
for virtually every budget! "

http://store.2012pro.com/buildabunker.htm (http://store.2012pro.com/buildabunker.htm)
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 17, 2010, 12:23:03 PM
This just in via email:

"How to build a bunker is still the most popular
subject on our blog and therefore we decided to
dedicate 120 pages to 16 different types of bunkers.
Unlike most other guides, you will find a bunker
for virtually every budget! "

http://store.2012pro.com/buildabunker.htm (http://store.2012pro.com/buildabunker.htm)
Great link Jim. Thanks
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Yowbarb on September 24, 2010, 11:47:27 AM

I know conventional wisdom would have it, that the ground will crush everything. Not necessarily so.
Some folks are going down into reinforced culverts, some old oil tankers, rail cars reinforced tops, buried trailers and busses, (cover the windows with wood) some steel boxes reinforced on the tops and sides, some reinforced monolithic domes buried or partly buried. Some bomb shelters some missile silos which would even withstand a nuclear blast. Some premade steel underground tornado shelters with ventilation and generators. Even an RV in a cave with some reinforcement on top between the roof and the cave and with some power digging tools in there to get out with, that's better than being blown away in 200 mph winds or tossed off into oblivion or being burnt up by wildfires. People will do what they can and many many will survive.
As far as the elite- run underground which probably will have a lot of people, science & technology, books, art, music, animals, seeds, power supplies and all the building blocks to reestablish the world, well, heck no I do not want them to be crushed. I darned well want them to be surviving. Even if I do not.
Whoever decided to not tell the people (they should not survive) but the whole mass of people underground there - and all the knowledge of humanity - no I do not want the earth to crush them. I understand your concept of cleansing the earth but respectfully no, ain't going for it. This forum is about survival.
Peace Out,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Ed Douglas on September 24, 2010, 01:15:54 PM
That makes two of us, Barb.  ed
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Bill on September 24, 2010, 03:07:56 PM
Underground is the only way. Keep the groundhog in mind!
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Jimfarmer on September 24, 2010, 05:10:17 PM
Re. "some missile silos"

The ones that I saw pictures of will be flooded in the deluge.
(As in South Dakota, Wisconsin and Minnesota today.)
Any undrained holes in the ground could have the same problem.
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: donnaseesthelite on September 25, 2010, 05:23:38 AM
Wow looks like your all set.  If worse comes to worse we'll head to Tennesse's Lookout Mountain.  Ruby Falls is good place for us to go to.  It has an underground water source and even a cafateria inside the Caves.

http://rubyfalls.com (http://rubyfalls.com/)

Ruby Falls,

Isn't that interesting...  My brother and I were just talking about Ruby Falls last night.  The problem is A LOT of people know about that location.  It is after all a tourest attraction.  What I think however, is if there is a Ruby Falls that every one knows about there should be other caves in those mountains also.  I am really close to there and are actually looking to purchase some dirt bikes and start exploring those mountains and finding a cave that others do not know about.

Donna
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Alfred Williams on September 25, 2010, 07:30:30 AM
Yes and survive without becoming the very people we want to stay away from your shelter Zone. This single issue for me will be the toughest. I would do anything to protect my young but have only extended family and will always try to help till I can not. I can only hope those in better health than me whom I care about or are family will step up and help us all survive. I have let them know my stand on the planet for over a decade now. I just wish I would have realized it fully back in 83. I thought I was gearing up for mother  Earth to do jig my whole adult life. When the tsunami hit I realized I could not fully engineer a shelter that would survive at this location so I will have a protected steel tool stash for the after time. I do not feel 300' is high enough. I have to Pray hard for the water to somehow be gentle. It has been hard through the years to get ready for a Biblical event covertly to the pulic when many of my friends think it is all hogwash{{:>)
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Yowbarb on September 27, 2010, 10:24:41 PM
That makes two of us, Barb.  ed

Thanks Ed
yes we need to think of survival...
I understand when people post stuff, people can be very tired of the way humanity has run things...
but we are after all, human ..... this is our group...
we have to make the best of it...

Peace,
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Yowbarb on September 27, 2010, 10:25:59 PM
Is not only during hte pole shift is after and after after in time.
As all resources will be out in the after time, we will need to think on that too. As survivors will have "no power" to survive in fact.
Is so simple now.
Again is about people and forming communities is important as individual is not going to survive, only a "community " can survive.
A

I agree, AG, we all need to be thinking about community now...
All The Best,
Yowbarb
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Post by: Yowbarb on September 27, 2010, 10:27:04 PM
This just in via email:

"How to build a bunker is still the most popular
subject on our blog and therefore we decided to
dedicate 120 pages to 16 different types of bunkers.
Unlike most other guides, you will find a bunker
for virtually every budget! "

http://store.2012pro.com/buildabunker.htm (http://store.2012pro.com/buildabunker.htm)

Great link, Jim -
going to post it over in one of my topics about sites and also supplies.
Thanks,
Yowbarb
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Post by: Carlg on September 28, 2010, 10:11:26 AM
Sorry for being away so long.
Some time ago when I had a farm I built a shelter out of old tires.  I dug into the hillside and then used plastic baler twine to tie them together.  I used sand to fill the tires.  Starting with a base of 3 wide I built up to one wide and 10’ tall.   At the time I only used it as pen for cattle and occasionally covered it with plastic for green house.  This could be done and then covered with precast concrete or less expensive would be treated lumber and dirt.
I would clean the pen with a tractor and hitting the walls caused no damage, they just gave with the hit and bounced back. 
Then I got the tires delivered by local junk yard for free and twine was not that expensive. 
The structure is still there and grown over now. 
I am not sure how the tires would hold up under extreme heat.
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Post by: Yowbarb on September 28, 2010, 10:36:08 AM
Sorry for being away so long.
Some time ago when I had a farm I built a shelter out of old tires.  I dug into the hillside and then used plastic baler twine to tie them together.  I used sand to fill the tires.  Starting with a base of 3 wide I built up to one wide and 10’ tall.   At the time I only used it as pen for cattle and occasionally covered it with plastic for green house.  This could be done and then covered with precast concrete or less expensive would be treated lumber and dirt.
I would clean the pen with a tractor and hitting the walls caused no damage, they just gave with the hit and bounced back. 
Then I got the tires delivered by local junk yard for free and twine was not that expensive. 
The structure is still there and grown over now. 
I am not sure how the tires would hold up under extreme heat.

Carl, it is good to read your ideas and your past experience using tires to make a structure.
I hadn't even thought of that fact - the used tires could be free from a junk lot!

I'd say a person could stash a bunch of them and store them underground, if the person had any doubt they would hold up to intense heat, brush fires etc. caused by earth changes during the crossover..No doubt all these materials will be needed in the Aftertime.

BajaSusan emailed me ideas on tire and concrete above ground homes...
These have been posted on the forum previously too but it's good to keep these ideas int he forefront. Also she mentioned plastic soda bottles filled with sand and sandbags covered with concrete.

Well, the point is all these materials could be safeguarded underground. OR if they were reinforced enough and covered with concrete they might possibly do as a shelter for domestic animals and even people, during the crossover period.
All The Best,
Yowbarb
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Post by: friskyrobert on October 05, 2010, 01:59:08 PM
Donna, be careful for the bears when exploring caves. They get real nasty if you surprise them and they have no where to retreat. It is best to take along a dog that has a good sniffer. Black bears usually retreat in any situation where they can.  But, if they can't, be prepared to add a nice black rug to your shelter.

Frisky Robert
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Post by: friskyrobert on October 05, 2010, 03:01:58 PM
Sea Containers
A properly reinforced sea container should work great as an underground shelter even under earthquake stress.  In normal soil, the sideways stress loads would be evenly distributed along the entire side surface.  If however, there are large boulders in that soil say, within 4 feet they would apply uneven stress and that could cause damage to the container wall. Same principal goes for the roof. Reinforced concrete poured on top and at the sides would make the best improvement to a buried sea container.

Reinforcing can also be done with wood or steel beams but, the beams could cramp your life syle inside. Given some creative thought, cross beams can be part of the architecture inside making bunks and tables where they are used.

I think in an earthquake, undergroud objects the same mass or lighter should move along with the earths movements. Ligher objects tend to pop up out of the earth, if the soil is loose like silt. Heavier objects tend to plow into the soil and dislodge from their place.  In, my opinion sea containers would stay where they are. Reinforced containers would stay and stay intact.  I give this opinion after years of constuction and trench digging experience. I'll admit, I have no seismic experience except what I have read in constuction manuals.

As for a tsunami flooding a shelter, the shelter can be designed to be temporarily sealed for water using PVC pipe fittings for the ventalation and caulk. Tsunamis should recede back out to sea eventually unless the continent is sinking.

Any other ideas or comments on it?



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Post by: donnaseesthelite on October 05, 2010, 09:11:45 PM
Thanks for the advice, we did not find any bears, when we explored, but could not
find any caves or caverns either close enough.  Looks like we will have to DIG our
own.  Safe property has a mountain and we are getting estimate right now to get
a well drilled.  Already traded one bull dozer for a back hoe and going to DIG into
the mountain side and actually place ship container inside, reinforced of course. 
No contractors for this, we are going to do it ourselves. 

Donna
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Post by: friskyrobert on October 06, 2010, 01:35:24 AM
Thanks for the advice, we did not find any bears, when we explored, but could not
find any caves or caverns either close enough.  Looks like we will have to DIG our
own.  Safe property has a mountain and we are getting estimate right now to get
a well drilled.  Already traded one bull dozer for a back hoe and going to DIG into
the mountain side and actually place ship container inside, reinforced of course. 
No contractors for this, we are going to do it ourselves. 

Donna

Well, I guess a store bought rug will have to do.  All the best favor in your project!!
Frisky Robert
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Post by: trueblue2k2 on October 13, 2010, 09:01:24 PM
There are some very novel and imaginative ideas in this thread.  I'm not sure what kind of circumstance that you all envision happening.  The most complete explanation I know of what to expect during such a catastrophe came from the books "Worlds in Collision" and "Earth in Upheaval" by Immanuel Velikovsky who was the father of the concept of Catastrophism. 

Velikovsky, a fellow scholar (and friend) of Einstein's, studied the history of all past civilizations in their native languages and showed that contemporary ancient societies recorded a history of these catycalisms separately at the same time period.  This proved his theory that our earth's history included periods of physical upheaval rather than the calm it does now.  Thus he had the greatest variety of accounts and witnesses to draw on as to what really occurred during a planetary passing. 

In addition to previously mentioned hazards, there have been gaseous comet trails that burned hundreds of acres, all sorts of meteors and rocks falling, infestations of insects, red dust from comet trails that pollutes water, volcanic ash that pollutes, volcanic emissions that impair breathing and many more.  There are so many different potential threats that it would not be possible (or needful) to protect yourself from them all at once. 

Many of these events will only last a short time and of course they will not all occur at once or at the same location.  For instance, you may need protection from falling rock or cosmic rays or bomb fallout, but only for a short time of hours or days so preparations can reflect that.  An improvised shelter rather than an elaborate permanent bunker could be used.  A dwelling to be used the rest of the time could be much simpler (or even portable).

I understand that the three most important factors are the old formula: 1) location, 2) location, and 3) location.  That would mean to avoid potential water hazards, potential earthquake (or volcano) hazards, and potential man-made hazards.  The last one is the most diverse and would include nuclear pollution or fallout, populated areas, military threats, and any other human threats you may discern. 
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Post by: Jimfarmer on October 14, 2010, 08:18:12 AM
Hi Y2K12,
Here is another good book about past catastrophes during passages of PX, although it does not say "Planet X" exactly:
Cataclysm by D.S. Allan and J.B. Delair (1997)
Title: Re: Some Shelter Ideas carlq's topic renamed
Post by: Yowbarb on October 17, 2010, 12:46:55 AM
y2k12 and also Jim, good ideas...
Yowbarb
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Post by: _cj_ on October 17, 2010, 01:21:09 AM
There are some very novel and imaginative ideas in this thread.  I'm not sure what kind of circumstance that you all envision happening.  The most complete explanation I know of what to expect during such a catastrophe came from the books "Worlds in Collision" and "Earth in Upheaval" by Immanuel Velikovsky who was the father of the concept of Catastrophism. 

Velikovsky, a fellow scholar (and friend) of Einstein's, studied the history of all past civilizations in their native languages and showed that contemporary ancient societies recorded a history of these catycalisms separately at the same time period.  This proved his theory that our earth's history included periods of physical upheaval rather than the calm it does now.  Thus he had the greatest variety of accounts and witnesses to draw on as to what really occurred during a planetary passing. 



ooohh - now that is a controversial author  ;) 

question for you - why re-write history to fit the bible, not re-write the bible to fit history ?

Regards,

alex

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Post by: trueblue2k2 on October 17, 2010, 09:29:45 PM
There are some very novel and imaginative ideas in this thread.  I'm not sure what kind of circumstance that you all envision happening.  The most complete explanation I know of what to expect during such a catastrophe came from the books "Worlds in Collision" and "Earth in Upheaval" by Immanuel Velikovsky who was the father of the concept of Catastrophism. 

Velikovsky, a fellow scholar (and friend) of Einstein's, studied the history of all past civilizations in their native languages and showed that contemporary ancient societies recorded a history of these catycalisms separately at the same time period.  This proved his theory that our earth's history included periods of physical upheaval rather than the calm it does now.  Thus he had the greatest variety of accounts and witnesses to draw on as to what really occurred during a planetary passing. 



ooohh - now that is a controversial author  ;) 

question for you - why re-write history to fit the bible, not re-write the bible to fit history ?

Regards,

alex

Hi Alex:

You must have been around almost as long as me to know that Velikovsky was so controversial 8~)  Although he was rejected by modern science, his books were very popular 50 years ago; and many of his theories were proven out by later space exploration. He seems to be mostly forgotten now.

Are you referring to "Ages in Chaos" when you mentioned re-writing history?  That was the book where he showed that there was a 600 year shift in secular history caused by a duplication of historical records, itself being due to language barriers.  Once that was corrected all of the characters in Egyptian history correlated with Bible characters.  Solomon's Queen of Sheba was Hatshepsut and the Pharoahs all fit in to place as well.  It wasn't so much a re-writing as it was correcting errors.

As far as re-writing the Bible, I would not attempt it.  I'm allergic to bolts of lightning and such.  The Tribulation will be tough enough without taking on the Angels too  8~)
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Post by: Yowbarb on October 23, 2010, 03:45:25 PM
Re. "some missile silos"

The ones that I saw pictures of will be flooded in the deluge.
(As in South Dakota, Wisconsin and Minnesota today.)
Any undrained holes in the ground could have the same problem.

HeyJim,
How about their hatches and blast doors why would water necessarily have to get in there?
If these things would withstand a nuclear blast why would they not be good enough to withstand a temporary flood of a few feet that lasts probably no more than a couple weeks. ?

I think the ones that have been sitting vacant and have been flooded a little - it's because they were gotton into and left open.
Just some thoughts. U could be right. But if we cannot even count on a bomb shelter then we are all sunk, so let's see if there are solutions or some kind of positive data we can use.
All The Best 2U,
Yowbarb
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Post by: Jimfarmer on October 23, 2010, 08:07:45 PM
Re. "some missile silos"

The ones that I saw pictures of will be flooded in the deluge.
(As in South Dakota, Wisconsin and Minnesota today.)
Any undrained holes in the ground could have the same problem.

HeyJim,
How about their hatches and blast doors why would water necessarily have to get in there?
If these things would withstand a nuclear blast why would they not be good enough to withstand a temporary flood of a few feet that lasts probably no more than a couple weeks. ?

I think the ones that have been sitting vacant and have been flooded a little - it's because they were gotton into and left open.

Yowbarb

Could be true for some sites.  I remember seeing a picture of one that had its' entrance down a ramp, which would flood.  Others might have a hatch above flood level, perhaps.
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Post by: Yowbarb on October 25, 2010, 11:19:19 PM
Jim well I agree a person couldn't count on such a shelter being watertight - not to assume that. It would have to be checked out before buying or figure out a method to hold the water out.
I figured the entry hatches and doors would hold.
- Yowbarb
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Post by: NEK on November 16, 2010, 07:07:36 AM
Most of the missle silos were deliberately flooded by the government in order to keep people out. They can be drained, but that a process that takes some time once the event begins.
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Post by: NEK on November 16, 2010, 07:55:50 AM
Some of these ideas may be good for the initial impact should Nibiru or her satellites collide with earth or if no collision occurs and we are only dragged through space dust and pulled apart by the gravitation of her atmosphere. But let's think logically and plan for the worst. If you were to survive that, you have to live on for years without a steady source of game, water, fruiting plants and in an unknown hostile environment. A person would definitely die afterwards unless they have an edge--such as superior survival skills and a lot of luck, even then.

I'm supposed to live past the event. I know this. I've know it for two decades. But I don't know how that will happen given the choices offered in our world unless Nibiru turns out to be a best case scenario. Every turn of the key in my research literally screams that without a lot of liquid cash to buy into a prepared underground property that has been set up specifally for survival and will support it's community for at least a 3-5 years after the initial event...well you're out of luck. I can't image what the voices have in mind for me and my husband. I KNOW he is a very important person to the aftermath of this event. Maybe I'm just his caretaker until then? I wish I knew.
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Post by: noproblemo2 on November 16, 2010, 08:05:51 AM
NEK, sometimes the answers are in the obvious, you said excellant survival skills , do you have them, are you preparing to learn them?  Simple homesteading research may help you  with that.We all need to learn what to do in the worst case scenario, things will change rapidly and there will be no time to learn them once they accelerate, PROVISION as best you can is also a key factor. There are many links here to research that or post a specific question if you want and those who can answer them will. I wish you luck in going forward and to all of us.
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Post by: Yowbarb on November 16, 2010, 08:11:51 AM
Most of the missle silos were deliberately flooded by the government in order to keep people out. They can be drained, but that a process that takes some time once the event begins.

Thanks for the info. Not all have been flooded.
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Post by: Samsara on November 17, 2010, 07:56:09 PM
OR, for only $50,000 dollars you could buy your way into a shelter for 1 year. 8)
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/timeshare-doomsday-shelters/6azjpwr?q=Natural+disaster&rel=msn&from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=42007 (http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/timeshare-doomsday-shelters/6azjpwr?q=Natural+disaster&rel=msn&from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=42007)
Sigh, I guess I'll just have to tuff it out.    David

I think they have the right idea, but there are some drawbacks.

The two main problems I see with the Vivo shelters are (there are actually several, but I'm only dealing with the most obvious ones):

1. they are in an area that will more than likely be underwater (barely above and some actually below sea level)
2. they will only sustain life for 1 year and my belief is that it will take much longer for the earth to recover well enough for us to resurface

Rob
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Post by: Yowbarb on November 18, 2010, 10:41:12 AM

Most of the missle silos were deliberately flooded by the government in order to keep people out. They can be drained, but that a process that takes some time once the event begins.

You are saying most of the silos were flooded.
So - please post a link to the data you have.
Posting a PM to you,
All The Best,
Yowbarb
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Post by: NEK on November 18, 2010, 10:43:56 AM
NEK, sometimes the answers are in the obvious, you said excellant survival skills , do you have them, are you preparing to learn them?  Simple homesteading research may help you  with that.We all need to learn what to do in the worst case scenario, things will change rapidly and there will be no time to learn them once they accelerate, PROVISION as best you can is also a key factor. There are many links here to research that or post a specific question if you want and those who can answer them will. I wish you luck in going forward and to all of us.

As long as my husband survives, I will. He'll teach me what I need to know. He's a fierce warrior, one of those guys you can send into the wilderness with a knife and string of dental floss to build you a shopping mall. Survival skills can be classroom taught, but experience is paramount. After a long talk, he suggested we keep an eye on the situation and, when necessary, leave for Africa. He's familiar with every inch of the African landscape and all its animal behavior. However, I'm reluctant to leave the US for such a far flung location. Too, the various stories of survival I've heard from him over time make that environment real. Africa, like Australia, has a a lot of deadly, nasty things creeping around. Imagine surviving the event to only die of a viper bite--how usless. But I've never traveled there; it's book learning and his stories. He says Africa is no worse than the Southwest if you know where to go and what to do. The native tribes have been surviving fine for millenia. I keep thinking about the poponderance of nasty, creepy, crawlies to content with once the waters receed. I like the middle US, myself. Either way, we'll manage.
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Post by: noproblemo2 on November 18, 2010, 11:03:41 AM
NEK, I believe, and if I am wrong, one of the others will correct it, but I think both Africa and Australia are predicted to be safe places during the shift and after. Do not be afraid, let your husband guide you as from what you have said he is a strong warrior as are many. TRUST in your man.
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Post by: noproblemo2 on November 18, 2010, 11:19:28 AM
NEK, when you get a chance tell us a bit bout yourself, it's nice to get to know our fellow members here. As you can see from my UID we are retired and living in Baja.
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Post by: Ed Douglas on November 18, 2010, 12:49:29 PM
NEK, you need to watch this and try not to  be too tense. Being tense can interrupt a good thought process. I am sure that your hubby understands this also. Here it is;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyEY9ARO3qg&feature=sub
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Post by: Samsara on November 18, 2010, 11:19:36 PM
NEK, sometimes the answers are in the obvious, you said excellant survival skills , do you have them, are you preparing to learn them?  Simple homesteading research may help you  with that.We all need to learn what to do in the worst case scenario, things will change rapidly and there will be no time to learn them once they accelerate, PROVISION as best you can is also a key factor. There are many links here to research that or post a specific question if you want and those who can answer them will. I wish you luck in going forward and to all of us.

As long as my husband survives, I will. He'll teach me what I need to know. He's a fierce warrior, one of those guys you can send into the wilderness with a knife and string of dental floss to build you a shopping mall. Survival skills can be classroom taught, but experience is paramount. After a long talk, he suggested we keep an eye on the situation and, when necessary, leave for Africa. He's familiar with every inch of the African landscape and all its animal behavior. However, I'm reluctant to leave the US for such a far flung location. Too, the various stories of survival I've heard from him over time make that environment real. Africa, like Australia, has a a lot of deadly, nasty things creeping around. Imagine surviving the event to only die of a viper bite--how usless. But I've never traveled there; it's book learning and his stories. He says Africa is no worse than the Southwest if you know where to go and what to do. The native tribes have been surviving fine for millenia. I keep thinking about the poponderance of nasty, creepy, crawlies to content with once the waters receed. I like the middle US, myself. Either way, we'll manage.

Actually, Ethiopia is probably the best place to be. However, for most people, just getting there on short notice is a difficult task. For Samsara, it was eliminated as a site for 3 additional reasons:

1. it is very difficult to purchase land there (private ownership is not easily acquired)
2. the cost of building AND supplying a shelter so far away, becomes prohibitive (think $175,000 is high?)
3. the site would have to be heavily guarded at all times against not just people who would want to steal the food, but also from the government's own army
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Post by: noproblemo2 on November 19, 2010, 07:16:11 AM
Sounds as if you put a lot of research into your project. Good job.
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Post by: Jimfarmer on November 19, 2010, 01:39:14 PM
Hi NEK,

Given the socio-economic situation in Africa, I would not go there.  (I was in Nigeria for three months in 1990.)

Western Australia will go down under water after the pole shift, according to the Zetas, but the eastern side will actually rise.  So, good locations there are 1) around Mount Roland in Tasmania, and 2) the Atherton Tablelands in Queensland.  (I lived in Australia, including the outback area, for 15 years.)  Tasmania does not have the snakes and spiders that the tropical regions do.  (But I never saw anything other than a few spiders -- "no worries, mate" as they say there.)

See https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm) .
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Post by: Carlg on December 08, 2010, 02:58:53 PM
The shelter is in the ground on hillside so  most is buried.   I had  a roof  on it at one time.  Used for animal shelter.  If you use bottles besure the open end is inside. Knew a fellow that made a colored glass widow but put a couple of bottles top out in it and it played a real nasty note when the wind blew.
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Post by: Arty on December 27, 2010, 08:22:18 PM
how is everybody doing i am new to here but ive been keeping up with what goes on here and i wanted to see if anyone could point me in the right direction im building a underground shelter and want to no how to do my septic system and plumbing also how to get power into my shelter i am going with solar power and a generator. i would really appreciate any help i can get where im from everyone thinks im crazy for doing what im doing so i havent really been able to get the right advice for my set up someone please help
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Post by: noproblemo2 on December 27, 2010, 09:09:02 PM
Arty welcome to Town Hall. I do not have the answers you are looking for but those who do will soon weigh in on that. Where are you from? That also may help with the answers you will need.
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Post by: Yowbarb on December 28, 2010, 08:28:18 AM
how is everybody doing i am new to here but ive been keeping up with what goes on here and i wanted to see if anyone could point me in the right direction im building a underground shelter and want to no how to do my septic system and plumbing also how to get power into my shelter i am going with solar power and a generator. i would really appreciate any help i can get where im from everyone thinks im crazy for doing what im doing so i havent really been able to get the right advice for my set up someone please help

Hello Arty
One of my Topics Domes and Underground shelter ideas deals with this subject:
https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,195.0.html
Barbara Lou Townsend » Planet X Hitchhiker's Guide to Internet Survival Sites » Domes and Underground shelter ideas

Arty, I need to make it clear I am not a structural engineer. My task is to share info I find in an attempt to help. Putting the discussion here.
I did post some of my ideas on how to set a dome shelter into a reinforced concrete structure above ground, as well as below ground ideas.
There are, however, some stable datums in the confusion:  

1) Per Marshall's data from his books and videos - anyone who is not hundreds of miles inland and also at least sixty feet above a river bank will flood.

2) The geodesic dome is the most stable structure known to man.

3) Another stable structure to incorporate: three arches in the middle of  a structure, joined in the middle. This was used in the Cappadocia caves of Turkey...

Back soon ...
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Post by: Yowbarb on December 28, 2010, 08:47:50 AM
Arty there are companies who will set a dome down in the ground or above ground and/or a tornado shelter. I do not know how to do all that wiring and plumbing and so on... whoever does it needs to be aware there could be a lot of earth movement.
We try to advise to not build on known fault lines or plate boundaries...
We do not know how bad it will be or how mild...
Nothing gained by not preparing so I say try to do your best. I wish I knew the foolproof plan or the builder who could guarantee safety in all kinds of conditions... I did post a lot of ideas in 1-3 dome topics here.
Some Members have felt it is too hazardous to use rebar steel to reinforce the domes and structures because of the plasma blasts. I never got so good of a compelte reply from those who did not want to use steel. Fiberglas was one reply so I did some searching. Glass fiber resin reinforced concrete one idea.

http://www.strombergarchitectural.com/products/domes/materials/gfrp--glass-fiber-reinforced-polymer--domes

I feel there will need to be a tall reinforced tube at the top of the dome for air intake it has to have some kind of mechanically - operated flap to keep out smoke and/or water. There could be a rush of high wind, water, smoke. Hopefully the worst of that that will stop after a couple weeks. Some kind of periscope is needed.
I am in favor of no windows and a steel hatch on the top like a submarine door. Any drainage has to be partly mechanical and or gravity - based.  Power may fail conpletely. Any generator inside the dome has to be ventilated somehow...
This is just a start I hope it helps...
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Post by: Arty on December 28, 2010, 07:35:08 PM
Hello everyone I appreciate the feed back hopefully we will get some more info as the time passes I still have time before I bury my shelter I will still be looking for help. As for where I'm from I'm from the rio grande valley in Texas I'm way south about 10 mins from Mexico I am going with a steel shelter I got some ideas from a company called severe weather pods I went to one of there locations in Dallas tx and pretty much loved there ideas but couldn't afford to buy one from them so decided to make my own I sawn a couple of things that I could up grade. I no that I am 76 feet above sea level I wish It was higher but it's all I got to work with so I'll take my chances and hope for the best I plan on building a above ground shelter on top of the underground one just incase we can come up a lot sooner. Just trying to work out the issues with plumbing and power trying to see what works best not to sure but I always get on here and look for ideas you guys have really helped me a lot.
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Post by: noproblemo2 on December 28, 2010, 07:51:07 PM
Arty, many of us will be staying in place so you're planning is a major step. I wish you the best in your project.
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Post by: Arty on December 29, 2010, 08:53:53 PM
I have a 500 gallon Fuel tank and was wondering if I fill it up how long should the fuel be good for?
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Post by: noproblemo2 on December 29, 2010, 09:09:13 PM
I would fill it and use it then keep it topped off weekly.
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Post by: Arty on December 29, 2010, 09:36:15 PM
Good idea thank you do you happen to know where I can get some good mres at real good prices or where can I get food packages at good prices I have stocked up a good amount but I could always use more also I have 3 330 gallon water tanks but I wonder do I need to put tablets or something to keep the water from contaminating
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Post by: Yowbarb on December 29, 2010, 10:10:28 PM
Good idea thank you do you happen to know where I can get some good mres at real good prices or where can I get food packages at good prices I have stocked up a good amount but I could always use more also I have 3 330 gallon water tanks but I wonder do I need to put tablets or something to keep the water from contaminating

Arty, I can't guarantee which place has the best deals in MREs but I look on some of the military supply sites. ebay also.
http://www.armygear.net/ag/store/00231.html   ARMY GEAR.NET
00231  MRE (Meal Ready to Eat) -YOU ARE BUYING TWO CASES 89.98   
Info on this deal came from the Survivalist Boards:
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=91234

Just an example I plugged in MREs on the ebay and up pops 12 - case up to ten cases available. Bid is at $40. Seems reasonable.
MRE-cases-genuine-military-Meals-Ready-Eat-
The sellers get rated and they say "Fresh" or "New," etc. so probably are fine.

Also ebay the survival meal bars: Shipping free; the individual price on these bars is only about $1.14.
 
60 PACK EMERGENCY SURVIVAL FOOD BARS
 
Item condition: New
Quantity: 2 available   
Price: US $72.40
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Post by: Yowbarb on December 30, 2010, 12:01:03 AM
Hello everyone I appreciate the feed back hopefully we will get some more info as the time passes I still have time before I bury my shelter I will still be looking for help. As for where I'm from I'm from the rio grande valley in Texas I'm way south about 10 mins from Mexico I am going with a steel shelter I got some ideas from a company called severe weather pods I went to one of there locations in Dallas tx and pretty much loved there ideas but couldn't afford to buy one from them so decided to make my own I sawn a couple of things that I could up grade. I no that I am 76 feet above sea level I wish It was higher but it's all I got to work with so I'll take my chances and hope for the best I plan on building a above ground shelter on top of the underground one just incase we can come up a lot sooner. Just trying to work out the issues with plumbing and power trying to see what works best not to sure but I always get on here and look for ideas you guys have really helped me a lot.

Arty some of the guys had the idea to reinforce any regular shelter for example any square or rectangle could be reinforced on the sides and top and bottom. Even a steel container type shelter could buckle... Possible even wood beams joined in the center would hold up. A metal or fiberglass frame better...Some people putting a rebar cement frame on top of their shelter. Not sure how to do the ventilation but if reinforced enough possibly a tall pipe structure on top would hold up.

I had one idea to install a netting on the underside of the ceiling. The netting could be metal, nylon, whatever
and it could be set in the concrete and draped down slightly. Below the roof of the dome.  If any loose particles should come down, the netting will help to prevent them from falling on people's heads. On the underside of this, I'd have like a chamo parachute or something like that.
I want to have a stack of mattresses to serve as pads and someplace to fall on for those in the dome.

The main idea is have some place to ride out all the crazy changes. If the scenario happens the way we think it will, there will be perceptible earth movements, movements of the earth's crust. Earthquakes. 200 mph winds. Floods; severe storms. Lightning, meteorites and fire. The worst of the changes could be over in a couple of weeks unless of course the fires burn on for weeks.

One concept I had (probably thousands of people have the same idea) is to store building materials for the after time. When the earth stops moving, the smoke is gone - at least enough to go topside - and it seems safe enough then it may be possible to build more comfortable structures. Scuse any typos - have to sign off.
Yowbarb
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Post by: Arty on December 30, 2010, 10:17:06 PM
Those are very good ideas that's what I like about being on here all the ideas help me find a better way to do something. My main worry is being under ground and having it flood up on top I don't know how my shelter would respond to something like that the fact that I'm only 76 feet above sea level worries me cuz I've seen some people are way above sea level but I guess I will just have to see how it goes. What sucks is that I have a lot of ideas and not enough time and money. Then I am basically on my own my wife thinks I'm crazy for spending my time and money on solar panels,the shelter,stocking up on foods,etc. And she tells me nothing is going to happen but oh well like I say it's better to be safe than sorry anyways I'm trying to get a water well system set up but they tell me where I'm at there is a lot of salt water underground do you no of anyway i can filter the water or can I just use it for like the shower,toilet, and sink what do you think.
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Post by: noproblemo2 on December 31, 2010, 05:45:44 AM
Good idea thank you do you happen to know where I can get some good mres at real good prices or where can I get food packages at good prices I have stocked up a good amount but I could always use more also I have 3 330 gallon water tanks but I wonder do I need to put tablets or something to keep the water from contaminating
Arty do a google search on MountainHouse.com their products I pesonally have.
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Post by: Jimfarmer on December 31, 2010, 12:12:20 PM
"I'm only 76 feet above sea level"
Definitely not enough.  How far from a major water body?
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Post by: Arty on January 01, 2011, 11:01:09 AM
I'm about 120 miles from a south padre island beach. You think the water will come in that much
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Post by: noproblemo2 on January 01, 2011, 11:05:09 AM
Arty, you are higher in elevation than I am........
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Post by: Arty on January 01, 2011, 01:15:57 PM
So what are some plans or ideas for the new year as far as projects. By the way is there anyone on here from Texas the rio grande valley area?
 
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Post by: Jimfarmer on January 01, 2011, 06:39:39 PM
"I'm about 120 miles from a south padre island beach. You think the water will come in that much"

Yes.  Definitely
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Post by: Yowbarb on January 02, 2011, 06:51:06 AM
So what are some plans or ideas for the new year as far as projects. By the way is there anyone on here from Texas the rio grande valley area?

Hello again, Arty. 
Another place where Members can reach out to other Members in their region:  The USA Survival Boards.
(Also as you probably know we have International Survival Boards.)
 
Southwest USA Meetings
https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,19.0.html 

All The Best,
Yowbarb
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Post by: Arty on January 04, 2011, 09:19:18 PM
by any chance has anybody came across a wind turbine system that works good and at a budget price i have solar panels but am looking into going with some wind power so im looking for a small kit i can play with and get familiar with before actually get one of the big systems thanks.
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Post by: friskyrobert on February 05, 2011, 11:18:03 AM
If you don't mind the shipping cost Denmark has the most experience and is the world leader in making wind driven generators. I don't have any links for this.
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Post by: augonit on February 06, 2011, 07:31:17 AM
Wind turbines are useless unless you have a constant, steady wind, like near the shoreline.
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Post by: Jimfarmer on May 11, 2011, 08:56:46 AM
From http://store.2012pro.com/buildabunker.htm (http://store.2012pro.com/buildabunker.htm)
How To Build A Survival Bunker for $17.97

"Within this Survival Bunker guide, these are some of the topics that are discussed:
* 16 types of survival bunkers
* Comprehensive plans of each type on how to build yours
* Expert advice on how to build the ultimate survival bunker for you
* Solutions for every budget"
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Post by: Yowbarb on May 11, 2011, 09:15:05 AM
From http://store.2012pro.com/buildabunker.htm (http://store.2012pro.com/buildabunker.htm)
How To Build A Survival Bunker for $17.97

"Within this Survival Bunker guide, these are some of the topics that are discussed:
* 16 types of survival bunkers
* Comprehensive plans of each type on how to build yours
* Expert advice on how to build the ultimate survival bunker for you
* Solutions for every budget"

Jim, thanks for posting this!
Yowbarb
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Post by: Oleokie on May 19, 2011, 11:48:23 AM
http://www.travelok.com/listings/view.profile/id.110

I wanted to touch base with you all about my worst case scenario shelter for my family.  If you all din't know Northwest Oklahoma has many little caves out in a very open area and is about 100 miles to the north where I live now.  My older sister owns a large ranch up there that has a cave bigger and deeper than the one posted from the state park in the link above. I have always consider this cave as my best chance if we had a major solar event (huge sun flare) or major effects from a pole shift (200-300mph wind). It is around 230 foot underground when you down in the bottom in the middle area of it.   It also has natural running spring water in the east end of the cave, the downside of the cave is it has tons of bats in it from time to time. I am lucky my sister and her husband understand and share a lot of my same view on being prepared so we have built up a year's supply of food and water along with many other survival items. My reasoning for posting this is to make sure you are all aware there are spots here in America you can get underground in a worst case event.

Thanks
Oleokie
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Post by: noproblemo2 on May 19, 2011, 12:07:58 PM
http://www.travelok.com/listings/view.profile/id.110

I wanted to touch base with you all about my worst case scenario shelter for my family.  If you all din't know Northwest Oklahoma has many little caves out in a very open area and is about 100 miles to the north where I live now.  My older sister owns a large ranch up there that has a cave bigger and deeper than the one posted from the state park in the link above. I have always consider this cave as my best chance if we had a major solar event (huge sun flare) or major effects from a pole shift (200-300mph wind). It is around 230 foot underground when you down in the bottom in the middle area of it.   It also has natural running spring water in the east end of the cave, the downside of the cave is it has tons of bats in it from time to time. I am lucky my sister and her husband understand and share a lot of my same view on being prepared so we have built up a year's supply of food and water along with many other survival items. My reasoning for posting this is to make sure you are all aware there are spots here in America you can get underground in a worst case event.

Thanks
Oleokie
Good info to know Thanks for posting this.
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Post by: _cj_ on May 19, 2011, 03:26:52 PM
for those of you planning on bugging out have you seen these ?

Concrete Canvass Shelters

link>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLrGUXk-h0M&feature=channel_video_title

Regards,

alex
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Post by: noproblemo2 on May 19, 2011, 03:46:20 PM
for those of you planning on bugging out have you seen these ?

Concrete Canvass Shelters

link>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLrGUXk-h0M&feature=channel_video_title

Regards,

alex
That is really a neat idea !!!!!!!!
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Post by: Jimfarmer on May 20, 2011, 08:53:13 AM
for those of you planning on bugging out have you seen these ?

Concrete Canvass Shelters

link>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLrGUXk-h0M&feature=channel_video_title

Neat design.  Three potential problems:
1)  Needs electricity to run the fan to inflate it.
2)  Steel ribs might heat if struck by lightening, and that will cause the cement to crack.
3)  Might be difficult to get enough water to saturate the surface during construction.
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Post by: _cj_ on May 20, 2011, 11:26:09 AM
 ??? crikey - no pleasing some people  :P :P :P :P :P
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Post by: enlightenme on July 19, 2011, 08:30:45 AM
Guess I'm picking up on an old thread, but this seemed like the most appropriate place to throw some ideas out there and maybe get some opinions.  So, I finally got to take my granddaughter to the nearby cavern (only about 15 minutes away from my most unsafe location, basically I have 2 places right now, one is mine and one is my daughters, really long story, anyway), which has an underground river  (not sure why they call it a river it was about the smallest creek I had ever seen with a small pool of fresh standing crystal clear water and fairly good elevation for the area in general, and was told it maintains about a constant 50-55 degree temperature year round.  It is not very large, and not really very deep (I think they said average about 230 ft) and it is a privately owned tourist attraction open year round.  So I'm not really sure, if it could work at all as a survival place in the event that it was needed in a hurry, but IF it would be I guess my dilemna is this:  the walk thru areas were very tight, there were a few "rooms" that were rather spacious, and the water would have to be a big plus EXCEPT in the event of a flood.  I did notice they had some type of a sump pump there and I asked the guide about it, and he said that they basically do keep it running during the spring/early summer to keep the floor as dry as possible and sometimes he had seen about an inch of water during heavy spring rains OR basically anytime there were very heavy rains. There were also several dangerous huge boulders overhead which he said they have to keep an eye on that had shifted at one time, but once a cave had shifted (once it settled) it shouldn't happen again.  I asked him "except in the event of an earthquake then all bets are off, right?" He just proceeded to tell me there were no faultlines in the area and hurriedly moved everyone along. (I don't think he liked my questions) Also, there was no outside airflow....After seeing it, I just can't quite see myself actually feeling safe going into a place like that even as a temporary refuge.  Would you?
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Post by: destiny5756 on October 18, 2011, 12:17:33 PM
Hi Everyone new to this so i ask for your patience.I have been planning my work,working my plan for some while now .i know the time will come when i will have to make the move .You see i live in Navarre ,fl right on the gulf of Mexico,have everything in place need several backup place to take me,wife and daughter.Have been thinking of caves,underground shelters,above ground shelters,etc.Have something to add! I n thinking of all the good and bad things that can happen with each,caves was my first choice,then i thought of something different out of the norm which would keep me vehicle mobile ,more then one way out ,well above sea level,built with reinforcements ,truly tested.Offer protection from emp, direct gamma and x ray radiation and the elements! What i am talking about are car and rail tunnels;checkout Wikipedia Just an idea !
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Post by: chaunska on October 18, 2011, 12:53:00 PM
Welcome to TownHall Destiny.   Sounds like you have a good working plan. 
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Post by: Eliphaz on October 18, 2011, 02:02:35 PM
Car and railroad tunnels are excellent places to protect a high number of people. I was thinking along the same lines a month ago, as my country doesn't offer too many natural caves.

Some preparation would be required in closing the entrances etc., and because the tunnels are either trafficked or otherwise can not be occupied with low profile, it seems very difficult to get done without the help of the authorities before the SHTF. I just wish there was a way and time for the preparations.
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Post by: Samsara on November 19, 2011, 06:02:25 PM
Just so you know, if you click on the flags, you can change the language...

Hi Carl, Barb and all,

For those who can understand a little of spanish, there is an interesting video from Biovivienda (bio-home) which I found very interesting. The spanish spoken in the video is pretty fast, the way people from Spain (specially Madrid) love to speak. It is fast for me at least, not a spanish language native. But I do recommend watching it.

http://www.biovivienda.com/video-demo.html (http://www.biovivienda.com/video-demo.html)

BR to all,

Carlos

Carl thank you for posting this video,
Going to copy this and put it over in the European section.
International Survival > EU Continental > Miscellaneous videos, postings in German, French, Spanish etc.

https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=311.0 (https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=311.0)

Carlos, este v
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Post by: enlightenme on November 20, 2011, 04:20:51 AM
Well, thank heavens, it looks like I will be moving to a much safer location for 2012.  Still not the best, still not nearly exactly what I would want, but a much better step in the right direction anyway.  We have obtained a lease with option to buy, old farmhouse with a large barn and basement, well off the beaten path and just a little further inland from the coast.  When I realized, just lately, (you know like the lightbulb going off above your head), that I actually lived right on the road that would be the main route people would probably have to take to walk out northwest from Philadelphia, I figured gotta get out of here, and do it now!  Atleast, I will be able to feel somewhat safe there, and have enough room to store my supplies.  Here's to hoping for "not the worst" in 2012 and hopefully a somewhat doable survive in place situation.
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Post by: inselemel on November 20, 2011, 07:17:37 AM
Well, thank heavens, it looks like I will be moving to a much safer location for 2012.  Still not the best, still not nearly exactly what I would want, but a much better step in the right direction anyway.  We have obtained a lease with option to buy, old farmhouse with a large barn and basement, well off the beaten path and just a little further inland from the coast.  When I realized, just lately, (you know like the lightbulb going off above your head), that I actually lived right on the road that would be the main route people would probably have to take to walk out northwest from Philadelphia, I figured gotta get out of here, and do it now!  Atleast, I will be able to feel somewhat safe there, and have enough room to store my supplies.  Here's to hoping for "not the worst" in 2012 and hopefully a somewhat doable survive in place situation.

Excellente  8)
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Post by: enlightenme on November 20, 2011, 04:18:32 PM
Thanks, though not looking forward to the move itself, you know moving really stinks, and right around Christmas no less...Geez!!!
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Post by: Sunnybug on November 21, 2011, 02:52:39 AM
Have to agree that moving stinks lol - but I think in this case it will be worth it. Great that you found a better situation!  :D
Sunny
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Post by: enlightenme on November 21, 2011, 04:04:57 AM
Absolutely...Thanks!
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Post by: friskyrobert on November 25, 2011, 12:21:43 PM
We just moved into a small gated mountain top community in Israel.  Most of our houses are made of thick reinforced concrete modules. I am taking the effort to bolt the module units for my house together with steel rods and bolts. At least this Will keep them together when the Earth shakes. Our community has a large bomb shelter, thick enough to withstand artillery. We are considering adding another shelter to expand the community with more people.  We have enough farm land for each family to have a large garden. Most people here cover them with big screen houses to keep out pest and filter the harsh sunlight.  8) I have a lot more work to do to prepare but, it is coming along.
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Post by: enlightenme on November 26, 2011, 02:15:35 PM
We just moved into a small gated mountain top community in Israel.  Most of our houses are made of thick reinforced concrete modules. I am taking the effort to bolt the module units for my house together with steel rods and bolts. At least this Will keep them together when the Earth shakes. Our community has a large bomb shelter, thick enough to withstand artillery. We are considering adding another shelter to expand the community with more people.  We have enough farm land for each family to have a large garden. Most people here cover them with big screen houses to keep out pest and filter the harsh sunlight.  8) I have a lot more work to do to prepare but, it is coming along.

Excellent!!  Sounds great, and I'm sure most of us still have a lot more work to do to prepare as well (I Know I for one, still do!!)  Had I only known two or three years ago what I know today, I would certainly be in much better shape preparations wise, but better now than never!
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Post by: Jimfarmer on October 10, 2012, 07:52:26 PM
A reminder:  Avoid the use of metal, or any other material that conducts electricity, in shelters, because intense electrical storms are expected to be frequent and widespread during the pole shift and possibly before and afterwards.  Metal encased in concrete will heat suddenly, expand, and shatter the concrete.
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Post by: Yowbarb on October 10, 2012, 08:00:03 PM
A reminder:  Avoid the use of metal, or any other material that conducts electricity, in shelters, because intense electrical storms are expected to be frequent and widespread during the pole shift and possibly before and afterwards.  Metal encased in concrete will heat suddenly, expand, and shatter the concrete.

Jim thanks for sharing this very important info,
Yowbarb
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Post by: Endtimesgal_2012 on October 11, 2012, 09:50:51 AM

Marshall describes how to build the protection for radiation in his book Planet X and 2012 Survival Guide, which every prepper should own.  It is indispensable, and is packed with all kinds of good information.  Unfortunately, I am unable to build it for myself, since the basement does not belong to me, and I am the only resident to have a key, since we residents are not allowed to use the basement anymore since it does not meet fire code as it only has one entrance/exit.  I am to use the key only in case of a bad emergency, and then I need to alert the other residents in the building so they can join me in the basement.  So I am trying to think of other solutions.  My daughter has a basement, but they do not believe in PX and they have a finished basement and would never let me build anything in it.

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Post by: Yowbarb on October 11, 2012, 10:20:42 AM

Marshall describes how to build the protection for radiation in his book Planet X and 2012 Survival Guide, which every prepper should own.  It is indispensable, and is packed with all kinds of good information.  Unfortunately, I am unable to build it for myself, since the basement does not belong to me, and I am the only resident to have a key, since we residents are not allowed to use the basement anymore since it does not meet fire code as it only has one entrance/exit.  I am to use the key only in case of a bad emergency, and then I need to alert the other residents in the building so they can join me in the basement.  So I am trying to think of other solutions.  My daughter has a basement, but they do not believe in PX and they have a finished basement and would never let me build anything in it.

Endtimesgal
It's good to be reminded about Marshall's book. Also, I very much appreciate your sharing this. These are a very important thoughts, particularly since so many people are trying to figure out how to have that underground shelter they will need.
(I personally do not have it set up either.) Wishing you all the best...
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Post by: Yowbarb on October 12, 2012, 10:59:34 AM
Hi All, I moved Enlightenme's post over here to join in on the discussion. Thanks Jim, Endtimesgal and Enlightenme for your survival ideas and questions,
Barb Townsend
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Re: Sun Stuff 21 August to 21 December 2012
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2012, 06:37:59 PM »

Quote from: Endtimesgal_2012 on October 08, 2012, 07:59:29 AM
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I have tried looking for places to go to avoid the CME's like Marshall described to do in the PX survival guide,  but have not really found a good place.  We do have a basement under our apartments, and I guess I could go down there, it may provide some protection, and my daughter has a basement under her two story house, I could go there, but how would one know when it would be safe to come out?  And I am unable to prepare it for staying any long period of time, (no toilet facilities)  I do have my radiation pills, but how do we know the government will even warn us of the event and so how to know when to take the pills?  I do have my BOB in my car, so I do have the means to cook and eat for a few days, and a sleeping bag to keep warm in, but as I said, no toilet facilities.

Enlightenme:
Endtimesgal, you pose some pretty good questions here.  I too feel that I need to get some more specific information.  It has been awhile since I read the two books with the most information and direction from Marshall, so I am going to need to review them again.  I remember reading some pretty specific directions on how to "bunker up" a basement with sandbags layered in the ceiling with wire, but I don't remember exactly where.  And I want to get that taken care of asap myself as soon as I get moved back into my house by the end of Nov.  I do know that I plan to keep several large buckets, the 5 gallon ones with lids for human waste (fairly crude, but a cheap solution none the less).  You know the ones I mean, they even sell a toilet seat that you can place on top of these buckets.  If you are storing some of your supplies in the buckets, you have an economic dual purpose item.  I hope some other members chime in here to answer more of your critical questions.  Unfortunately my knowledge of radiation pills, (do you mean potassium iodide?) and whether or not they should be taken in this instance, I am completely at a loss here. To my knowledge, they would only be helpful for an actual nuclear disaster.  I do know that in the event of a major nuclear disaster, they really are only to be taken for a short period of time and are really pretty limited in the way of protection from nuclear fallout.  There is more specific information on all of that somewhere here in the Town Hall, you can do a search from the homepage.  My back-up plan for the scenario that you mention, is a great underground cavern with a water supply not that far from where we live.  I think a big part of the problem (for me atleast), is not being able to know exactly how things will transpire to come up with my best survival plan a, b, c while trying to make it all happen on a shoe-string budget!
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Post by: enlightenme on October 16, 2012, 04:27:03 AM
Thanks Barb!
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Post by: enlightenme on October 16, 2012, 05:10:36 AM
endtimesgal...So I finally had a chance to review again Marshall's book "Planet X Forecast and 2012 Survival Guide" for the information on how to protect yourself from CME's and EMP's from a severe solar storm.  Actually, I think it is pretty good news for your basement scenario, depending upon how your building is actually constructed.  The information starts in the area titled "Coping with a Violent Sun", which is however, way to lengthy to go into complete detail in a post. 
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Post by: Endtimesgal_2012 on October 16, 2012, 09:52:14 AM
Yes, I am familiar with that part of the book, and that is where I will head if needed.  But I suppose we need to be sure the government tells us when it is necessary to take shelter, and I doubt they will do so.  Thanks for the heads up.
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Post by: Yowbarb on November 23, 2012, 07:52:56 AM
endtimesgal...So I finally had a chance to review again Marshall's book "Planet X Forecast and 2012 Survival Guide" for the information on how to protect yourself from CME's and EMP's from a severe solar storm.  Actually, I think it is pretty good news for your basement scenario, depending upon how your building is actually constructed.  The information starts in the area titled "Coping with a Violent Sun", which is however, way to lengthy to go into complete detail in a post.

Thanks for posting this info...
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Post by: jim1253 on September 18, 2013, 04:45:57 PM
Hi everyone, im new so matbe this has been thought of, what about a grain bin? Im thinking of. Building on with double walls and roof, please fill free to tell me what you think, thanks Jim
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Post by: Yowbarb on February 06, 2014, 04:25:33 PM
Hi everyone, im new so matbe this has been thought of, what about a grain bin? Im thinking of. Building on with double walls and roof, please fill free to tell me what you think, thanks Jim

jim1253 I never saw your post until now. I'm not sure why.
I hope you are still coming here to the Planet X Town hall.
Are grain bins economical?
I suppose you know where to get them used too.
any more ideas on it?
It seems like if it was set in reinforced concrete with reinforcement on sides - that might work!
All The Best,
Yowbarb  PS I found this blog and an image.
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http://www.naturalbuildingblog.com/

http://www.naturalbuildingblog.com/grain-bin-homes/     Natural Building Blog

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Post by: Yowbarb on May 19, 2019, 12:25:25 AM
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https://www.monolithic.org/round2it/margaret-clayton-letter-riding-out-hurricane-michael-in-monolithic-dome-home

Letter: Margaret tells her story of riding out Hurricane Michael in a Monolithic Dome home
Margaret Clayton • Published on Nov 5, 2018 • ’Round To It

Yowbarb Note: Some damage but Margaret rode out Hurricane Michael and remained safe.