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Title: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 22, 2010, 09:36:39 AM
I'm not sure where, but I know I have posted somewhere, quite a while ago, about my research about the earth tilting, and the sun and moon orbits not being on the correct latitude. Well, I finally found out that it has been noticed elsewhere;
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/229/227/ (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/229/227/)
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: _cj_ on October 22, 2010, 03:49:33 PM
if the axial tilt had changed enough to make the moon rise in a different place you would know about it ..... its not something that could be hidden... the world would quite literally be in chaos

regards,

alex
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Jimfarmer on October 22, 2010, 06:07:34 PM
Hi _cj_
You said "if the axial tilt had changed enough to make the moon rise in a different place you would know about it ..... its not something that could be hidden... the world would quite literally be in chaos"

Well, it is often in a different place, I have seen it myself.  I once pointed it out to two policemen, and they agreed.  I asked if they knew why, they said no, so I told them about Planet X coming, and they looked at me as if doubting my sanity.  I know about it, but I don't do anything abnormal or destructive.  Almost everyone is too dependent on a paycheck or a sale to do anything different, even if they know about it also.  We all just carry on normally anyway and hope that everyone else does also.  So, social chaos will not happen until the infrastructure fails and the supplies stop.  Regarding physical chaos, that is obviously ramping up, but displacements of the Sun and/or Moon by noticeable degrees is only causing wild weather so far.  The earthquakes,  volcanic eruptions, sinkholes, rogue ocean waves, red dust, etc are caused by PX, not Sun and Moon displacements, which are also caused by PX.

There are many, many reports of Sun and Moon dislocations in Zetatalk, plus discussions of why the media don't report it and what happens to whistleblowers.  Search for "Sun Moon tilt" or similar words in https://www.zetatalk.com/ (https://www.zetatalk.com/) .
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: _cj_ on October 22, 2010, 07:09:57 PM
hi jim -

for arguments sake - how much do you think the axial tilt would have to change before a general memeber of the public would notice the moon in a different position ?  lets say 15 or 20 degrees and that would only be if you had a keen eye

that would mean that your summer would be as hot as the sahara and your winter as cold as the north pole - neither has happened

dont get me wrong ....the earth does wobble around a bit ...i think the axial tilt changes something like 5 degrees of 50,000 years - but not something we would notice

and what force could move the earth which weighs 6 miliion million million million kg so quickly ?? - not gravity - its quite a weak force - maybe electromagnatism, but could you imagine ??? no not really

if you dont believe me then we will just have to agree to disagree - everyone is entitled to their opinion

regards

alex

 
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on October 22, 2010, 07:28:02 PM
Yet somewhere here I read we have already gone from 23.5 to 19.5 degrees, that's a big change to me. Maybe not to many though.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: _cj_ on October 22, 2010, 07:44:07 PM
conventional wisdom is that the wobble is from 22 to 24 degrees - the real term is "obliquity of the ecliptic"  but i prefer wobble - not to be confused with precession of the equinoxes or precession around the ecliptic

if the earths tilt has changed to 19.5 degrees - just think you now live 400 KM from where you thought you did  ;D

when people say that they see the stars move over time its precesssion


Regards,

alex
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on October 22, 2010, 08:05:51 PM
Well I know for a fact that the sunrise and sunsets are in different places compared to three years ago.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Road Warrior on October 22, 2010, 11:48:58 PM
well isn't that funny  ;D

just brought this topic up on my site yesterday ..I for one am really seeing something weird going on especially with regards to where the sun is setting as aposed to where it used to set ..bang on the money ..Im glad that I am not alone in this thought process
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: _cj_ on October 23, 2010, 01:30:18 AM
hey guys - i just found this article in the new scientist that i thought you might find interesting

original article here http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17657-global-warming-could-change-earths-tilt.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17657-global-warming-could-change-earths-tilt.html)

Warming oceans could cause Earth's axis to tilt in the coming century, a new study suggests. The effect was previously thought to be negligible, but researchers now say the shift will be large enough that it should be taken into account when interpreting how the Earth wobbles.

The Earth spins on an axis that is tilted some 23.5° from the vertical. But this position is far from constant – the planet's axis is constantly shifting in response to changes in the distribution of mass around the Earth. "The Earth is like a spinning top, and if you put more mass on one side or other, the axis of rotation is going to shift slightly," says Felix Landerer of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California.

The changing climate has long been known to move Earth's axis. The planet's north pole, for example, is migrating along 79 °W – a line of longitude that runs through Toronto and Panama City – at a rate of about 10 centimetres each year as the Earth rebounds from ice sheets that once weighed down large swaths of North America, Europe, and Asia.

The influx of fresh water from shrinking ice sheets also causes the planet to pitch over. Landerer and colleagues estimate that the melting of Greenland's ice is already causing Earth's axis to tilt at an annual rate of about 2.6 centimetres – and that rate may increase significantly in the coming years.

Now, they calculate that oceans warmed by the rise in greenhouse gases can also cause the Earth to tilt – a conclusion that runs counter to older models, which suggested that ocean expansion would not create a large shift in the distribution of the Earth's mass.
Tracking sea levels

The researchers modelled the changes that would occur if moderate projections made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change – a doubling of carbon dioxide levels between 2000 and 2100 – were to become reality.

The team found that as the oceans warm and expand, more water will be pushed up and onto the Earth's shallower ocean shelves. Over the next century, the subtle effect is expected to cause the northern pole of Earth's spin axis to shift by roughly 1.5 centimetres per year in the direction of Alaska and Hawaii.

The effect is relatively small. "The pole's not going to drift away in a crazy manner," Landerer notes, adding that it shouldn't induce any unfortunate feedback in Earth's climate.

But he says the motion is strong enough that it needs to be taken into account when interpreting shifts in Earth's axis. Tracking the motion of the poles could help place limits on the total amount of sea level rise over decades.

"The oceans take up at least 80 per cent of the heat that is added from greenhouse gases," Landerer told New Scientist. "They have a huge heat capacity, so this effect is going to be there for quite a bit."
Faster spin

Maik Thomas of the German Research Centre for Geosciences in Potsdam, who was not affiliated with the study, says the new work overturns previous ideas. "Up to now, people had believed that height variations [from ocean temperature changes] gave no contribution to polar motion," he told New Scientist. "This is an effect that now has to be considered."

But Thomas notes that polar motion is unlikely to yield a good measurement of sea level rise, whose signal may be difficult to disentangle from a host of other factors that contribute to changes in Earth's tilt, from movements in Earth's crust and mantle to the periodic effects of El Niño, an oscillation of the ocean-atmosphere system in the Pacific.

And climate change can also affect the Earth's spin. Previously, Landerer and colleagues showed that global warming would cause Earth's mass to be redistributed towards higher latitudes. Since that pulls mass closer to the planet's spin axis, it causes the planet to rotate faster – just as an ice skater spins faster when she pulls her arms towards her body.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on October 23, 2010, 04:38:29 AM
Right now, the beautiful full moon is just above the horizon, a few degrees on the west side of  WNW.
I woke up early and could feel that full moon energy. At first I couldn't see the moon because there are a lot of trees over to the west of us. Behind me in the East the sun isn't up yet but it  is probably a Sun-Moon opposition.
- Yowbarb
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on October 23, 2010, 04:50:15 AM
29LI29 28AR42
Yes, it is a Sun - Moon opposition so see me over in the earthquake topic.
Checking USGS now. 7:49 EDT - Yowbarb
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on October 23, 2010, 05:33:11 AM
c_j thanks for posting that article,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: 8hertz on October 23, 2010, 05:55:22 AM
Quote
Warming oceans could cause Earth's axis to tilt in the coming century, a new study suggests.

Quote
"This is an effect that now has to be considered."

If the ocean effect is real, then we are looking at a possibility that earth will stop spinning.

8hertz
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: _cj_ on October 23, 2010, 10:36:28 AM
nope - it will spin quicker  :D
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on October 23, 2010, 10:57:19 AM
Geez and I'm dizzy enough already !!!!!
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Alfred Williams on October 23, 2010, 01:35:12 PM
I believe as the passing occurs with its Jupter + sized magnetic influence Coming from the south it may flip us litteraly without stopping the spin. but as it locks onto our poles we land as it dictates. It is possible we never stop spinning but it will be a wild rideI hope we do not land nearly still like venus. Perhaps the passing will make us a 3 moon system with new possibilities{:>)
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 24, 2010, 09:31:39 AM
Think of the earth's inner core, made of iron, and spinning, to be like a gyro. The outer surface can move all over the place, but the core will keep spinning.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Linda on October 26, 2010, 03:54:16 PM
Geez and I'm dizzy enough already !!!!!

LOL, me too Susan!  ???

Linda
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 26, 2010, 06:43:12 PM
Pardon me. You ladies don't happen to be blonde, by any chance, do you?  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on October 26, 2010, 06:51:59 PM
Pardon me. You ladies don't happen to be blonde, by any chance, do you?  ed
Well before the grey set in  ;D ;D   LOL
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Linda on October 27, 2010, 05:46:14 AM
LOL Ed, brunette here!

Linda
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on October 27, 2010, 07:22:42 AM
LOL Ed, brunette here!

Linda

Me too! I was going to post one of those Brunettes Rule images but oh well ...
 8)
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: _cj_ on October 27, 2010, 10:00:41 AM
LOL Ed, brunette here!

Linda

Me too! I was going to post one of those Brunettes Rule images but oh well ...
 8)

nothing wrong with brunette  ;D
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 27, 2010, 10:21:06 AM
Er, uh, um, just wondering.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on October 27, 2010, 10:39:47 AM
Curiosity kills the cat??? Now ya know Ed... LOL
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 27, 2010, 12:11:36 PM
Whew! I need to go to another topic. Uh, um, they need me over in Sun Tsu! ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Lori on October 27, 2010, 12:12:46 PM
Brunette to.  With a touch of silvery angel wings. :-*
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on October 27, 2010, 12:21:25 PM
Brunette to.  With a touch of silvery angel wings. :-*
Darn Lori, my silver wings have taken flight !!!  :D
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Lori on October 27, 2010, 12:25:50 PM
 ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 27, 2010, 12:34:02 PM
SHHHHHHHH! My hair is silver, also.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on October 27, 2010, 12:43:48 PM
SHHHHHHHH! My hair is silver, also.  ed
Ahhhh, so yours has taken flight too !!!!!   :) :)
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Lori on October 27, 2010, 12:44:25 PM
We all alt to post pictures so we can see what each other looks like.  As a matter of fact.  Just a thought.  Those of us on FB already do know what we look like. 

It does makes it easier to get to know everyone if you have a face to focus on too. 

Any thoughts?  Maybe a new topic?
 :D


Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 27, 2010, 12:47:10 PM
                                        Solar noon
Date Sunrise Sunset This day Difference Length of day Time Altitude Distance
(106 km)
Oct 25, 2010 7:50 AM 6:31 PM 10h 40m 43s − 2m 34s 1:11 PM 36.3°  148.740
Oct 26, 2010 7:51 AM 6:29 PM 10h 38m 10s − 2m 33s 1:11 PM 35.9°  148.700
Oct 27, 2010 7:53 AM 6:28 PM 10h 35m 37s − 2m 32s 1:11 PM 35.6°  148.661
Oct 28, 2010 7:54 AM 6:27 PM 10h 33m 06s − 2m 31s 1:11 PM 35.3°  148.622
Oct 29, 2010 7:55 AM 6:25 PM 10h 30m 35s − 2m 30s 1:10 PM 34.9°  148.583
Oct 30, 2010 7:56 AM 6:24 PM 10h 28m 06s − 2m 29s 1:10 PM 34.6°  148.545
Oct 31, 2010 7:57 AM 6:23 PM 10h 25m 37s − 2m 28s 1:10 PM 34.3°  148.507

This table shows the sun should be at it's highest in the sky at 35.6 degrees today. If the sun isn't at least 60 degrees high in the sky, then I am crazier than you guys think!  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 27, 2010, 12:52:48 PM
My estimate is that the sun is at least 30 degrees higher than it should be. Last time I checked it, the sun was probably 20 to 25 degrees high. These are approximate, and I tend to estimate on the low side.  This would lead me to believe that the earth has tilted another 10 degrees. I think this might cause a few disasters on the planet, don't you?   ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Lori on October 27, 2010, 12:53:57 PM
I haven't really seen the sun today, but I have noticed that it is high in the sly .  Also the moon is actually Moving Northward.  I noticed this this morning before the rains moved in.  As we move toward the season changes, don't we pull back from the sun while facing it directly?  Is that the normal winter norm?
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on October 27, 2010, 12:54:27 PM
I hope not here Ed I've had enough rockin and rollin...
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 27, 2010, 01:02:32 PM
This might be the cause of that rockin, Susan. During winter, the earth is it's farthest from the sun, and summer(northern hemisphere) we are the farthest. It could explain a few things, I think.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 27, 2010, 01:07:25 PM
Not to be scientific but; in July, the farthest the earth is from the sun is about 152 million km. On Dec 31, we are about 147 million km from the sun.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on October 27, 2010, 01:25:41 PM
Well it's been at it since Easter, can take a break anytime now.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on October 27, 2010, 01:51:10 PM
Whew! I need to go to another topic. Uh, um, they need me over in Sun Tsu! ed

LOL
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on October 27, 2010, 01:54:11 PM
                                        Solar noon
Date Sunrise Sunset This day Difference Length of day Time Altitude Distance
(106 km)
Oct 25, 2010 7:50 AM 6:31 PM 10h 40m 43s − 2m 34s 1:11 PM 36.3°  148.740
Oct 26, 2010 7:51 AM 6:29 PM 10h 38m 10s − 2m 33s 1:11 PM 35.9°  148.700
Oct 27, 2010 7:53 AM 6:28 PM 10h 35m 37s − 2m 32s 1:11 PM 35.6°  148.661
Oct 28, 2010 7:54 AM 6:27 PM 10h 33m 06s − 2m 31s 1:11 PM 35.3°  148.622
Oct 29, 2010 7:55 AM 6:25 PM 10h 30m 35s − 2m 30s 1:10 PM 34.9°  148.583
Oct 30, 2010 7:56 AM 6:24 PM 10h 28m 06s − 2m 29s 1:10 PM 34.6°  148.545
Oct 31, 2010 7:57 AM 6:23 PM 10h 25m 37s − 2m 28s 1:10 PM 34.3°  148.507

This table shows the sun should be at it's highest in the sky at 35.6 degrees today. If the sun isn't at least 60 degrees high in the sky, then I am crazier than you guys think!  ed

Ed, thanks for this,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: _cj_ on October 27, 2010, 10:59:02 PM
ed - are you sure you got the right lattitude, it will be a completely different angle of dangle from canada to florida

this is london's

8 Oct 2010   07:47   17:41   9h 54m 31s   − 3m 40s   12:44   25.4°    148.631
29 Oct 2010   07:48   17:39   9h 50m 52s   − 3m 39s   12:44   25.0°    148.593
30 Oct 2010   07:50   17:37   9h 47m 14s   − 3m 37s   12:44   24.7°    148.554
Note: hours shift because clocks change backward 1 hour (See below table for details)
31 Oct 2010   06:52   16:36   9h 43m 38s   − 3m 36s   11:44   24.4°    148.516
1 Nov 2010   06:54   16:34   9h 40m 03s   − 3m 35s   11:44   24.1°    148.478
2 Nov 2010   06:55   16:32   9h 36m 29s   − 3m 33s   11:44   23.7°    148.441
3 Nov 2010   06:57   16:30   9h 32m 57s   − 3m 32s   11:44   23.4°    148.403

this is mexico

28 Oct 2010   07:36   19:05   11h 28m 59s   − 59s   13:20   57.3°    148.618
29 Oct 2010   07:36   19:04   11h 28m 01s   − 58s   13:20   56.9°    148.579
30 Oct 2010   07:37   19:04   11h 27m 03s   − 58s   13:20   56.6°    148.541
Note: hours shift because clocks change backward 1 hour (See below table for details)
31 Oct 2010   06:37   18:03   11h 26m 05s   − 57s   12:20   56.3°    148.503
1 Nov 2010   06:38   18:03   11h 25m 08s   − 57s   12:20   56.0°    148.465
2 Nov 2010   06:38   18:02   11h 24m 11s   − 56s   12:20   55.7°    148.428
3 Nov 2010   06:38   18:02   11h 23m 15s   − 56s   12:20   55.3°    148.390
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 28, 2010, 08:38:20 PM
So, what I am saying, is that the earth is tilted toward the sun, allowing Ohio to see the sun in the sky, as if in Middle America. I just put in the date and other info and the site does the work;
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=417&month=8&year=2009&obj=moon&afl=-11&day=1 (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=417&month=8&year=2009&obj=moon&afl=-11&day=1)
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 28, 2010, 09:30:24 PM
The moon will be at it's peak in an hour or so. It is supposed to be 71.4 degrees in the sky. It is well past 90 degrees. It is as bad, or worse than the sun. Yesterday was the day the moon is highest in the sky, at 72.7 degrees.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on October 28, 2010, 09:46:40 PM
The moon will be at it's peak in an hour or so. It is supposed to be 71.4 degrees in the sky. It is well past 90 degrees. It is as bad, or worse than the sun. Yesterday was the day the moon is highest in the sky, at 72.7 degrees.  ed
Ed as a novice what exactly does this mean ? I am fairly new to studying these things as I'm sure some others here are as well.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 29, 2010, 09:07:52 AM
Susan, if it stays this way, it should be a gentler winter here and where you are too. It should be warmer. Just the opposite for the southern hemisphere. Their winters should be worse and colder. According to the reaction to winter in South America this year, complaining about the bitter cold, would be in line with this phenonema.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on October 29, 2010, 10:17:15 AM
Ed, thanks for explaining this to me. Am learning so much and as fast as I can here too. But I do love this site and am dedicated to spreading the word about all of this. Just wish more folks would wake up, but we can't force them only be there when things happen and hope what we have learned will in some way help them also.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Hammerhead on October 29, 2010, 10:24:00 AM
The moon will be at it's peak in an hour or so. It is supposed to be 71.4 degrees in the sky. It is well past 90 degrees. It is as bad, or worse than the sun. Yesterday was the day the moon is highest in the sky, at 72.7 degrees.  ed
Ed...what is this doing to the tidal situation? I hear the term "astronomical high tide" more often these days. Is this cyclical or is the moon being out of position affecting the tides too?
Title: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Oleokie on October 29, 2010, 10:34:31 AM
Satellite's would not move with a change of the tilt of the earth (dishnetwork or directv) and are parked at 22,500 miles about the equator. The beam from these satellite's is very small and a movement of 1/4" inch on your satellite dish and you will lose your singal alltogether. I have been watching my strength of singal bar since I had it installed over 3 years ago and it has not changed.  With this data I have to say if the tilt of the earth has changed it is very small, or the companys are moving them to keep them in the right place and I don't know where to find that kind of information. But im open to all of your views.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on October 29, 2010, 10:40:29 AM
I know we lost our DirecTV signal for 2 hours night before last and my WiFi bar has gone from 5 down to 4 sometimes 3 since February.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 29, 2010, 03:19:33 PM
This phenomena, which I might be wrong,(actually, the site I am using for  the statistics is wrong), but this should change a lot of things, especially tides. This didn't just happen. I spoke of this, quite a while back. If someone can come up with other numbers, for the degrees the sun and moon should peak at, in Cleveland, Ohio, and they are very different than the site I use, then I will believe there is no tilt. I will say this;the flowers I planted this last spring, are still going strong. The leaves just started to change and drop off the trees, and the weather has been moderate, instead of freezing. I go to high school football games every year, and by this time, I am freezing, and dressing as warm as possible. This year, it gets chilly now, after the sun goes down, but it's only going down to the high 40's. Some days are actually shirtsleeve weather.Another thing I find weird. I haven't seen many birds gather in groups and migrate. Maybe they migrated to where the magnetics tell, and it's not south anymore. Food for thought. Also, I can still buy vegetables at roadside stands.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: _cj_ on October 29, 2010, 11:49:54 PM
Satellite's would not move with a change of the tilt of the earth (dishnetwork or directv) and are parked at 22,500 miles about the equator. The beam from these satellite's is very small and a movement of 1/4" inch on your satellite dish and you will lose your singal alltogether. I have been watching my strength of singal bar since I had it installed over 3 years ago and it has not changed.  With this data I have to say if the tilt of the earth has changed it is very small, or the companys are moving them to keep them in the right place and I don't know where to find that kind of information. But im open to all of your views.

well said oleokie - its  the same for stargazers - there are hundreds and thousands of amateur astronomers with telescopes linked up to their computer - they search for stars by co-ordinates
if the earth had moved the internet would have soo much traffic on it you wouldnt believe

p.s. oh actually the earth tilt did change last year - it moved 2.6 cm

regards,

alex
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Bill on October 30, 2010, 06:33:07 AM
CJ, I Think I recall that change was a result of the big Chilean earthquake.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 30, 2010, 11:10:25 AM
All I can say, is that according to the numbers that site gives, for the solar noon, and lunar noon, and what my own eyes are seeing is what I have reported. Has anyone seen the bird migration this year, especially the Canadian geese? The blackbirds usually gather in large groups. I don't recall seeing that, this fall. Perhaps it is me, not seeing or noticing these things this year.  It's actually funny in a way, as the Zetas are saying the same thing.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Montanabarb on October 30, 2010, 01:41:23 PM
All I can say, is that according to the numbers that site gives, for the solar noon, and lunar noon, and what my own eyes are seeing is what I have reported. Has anyone seen the bird migration this year, especially the Canadian geese? The blackbirds usually gather in large groups. I don't recall seeing that, this fall. Perhaps it is me, not seeing or noticing these things this year.  It's actually funny in a way, as the Zetas are saying the same thing.  ed

I too am noticing all the strange anomalies that have been listed by others.  The moon is bright enough to read by, even in the 3/4 phase. And it seems so close. Our weather is extremely peculiar. We are in north central Montana, at a mile high. Usually we have our first hard freeze in early September, and we might be lucky enough to get a week or two of Indian summer in October.  This year we get up day after day to 40 degree weather, and a high temperature during the day in the sixties. Last weekend I stacked firewood in shorts and cotton shirt at seventy degrees! The forecast is for fifties and sixties all this next week.  I agree that the population of birds migrating seems greatly diminished. We usually get both Canadian and Snow geese. This year no SG, few Canadas.  Grasses in our lawn and the golf course have not gone dormant. I planted dozens of garlic cloves, thinking it would freeze and they'd go dormant. Guess what! They're all sprouting through the mulch. I'm afraid I might lose my crop. All very strange.  We ARE however, getting our logging truck load of firewood cut, split and stacked, bit by bit. We won't need it if the weather stays this way.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on October 30, 2010, 03:07:12 PM
All I can say, is that according to the numbers that site gives, for the solar noon, and lunar noon, and what my own eyes are seeing is what I have reported. Has anyone seen the bird migration this year, especially the Canadian geese? The blackbirds usually gather in large groups. I don't recall seeing that, this fall. Perhaps it is me, not seeing or noticing these things this year.  It's actually funny in a way, as the Zetas are saying the same thing.  ed

Ed,

I am observing the Sun here at Rio de Janeiro lat/long coordinates and according to NOAA the Sun should be at 81 degrees elevation at noon. It is pretty much correct as per my observations yesterday and today.

I will keep observing.

BR,

Carlos
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Road Warrior on October 30, 2010, 11:09:08 PM
All I can say, is that according to the numbers that site gives, for the solar noon, and lunar noon, and what my own eyes are seeing is what I have reported. Has anyone seen the bird migration this year, especially the Canadian geese? The blackbirds usually gather in large groups. I don't recall seeing that, this fall. Perhaps it is me, not seeing or noticing these things this year.  It's actually funny in a way, as the Zetas are saying the same thing.  ed

believe it not ..because this is my department ..because of where I live ..the geese were back in our pond in the middle of august ..

thanks for bringing that one up ..our winter fall has been at least a month early this year ..and thats no joke
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 31, 2010, 06:37:14 AM
Perhaps, the site I have been using for my data, has been incorrect.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Jimfarmer on October 31, 2010, 09:42:18 AM
The effect varies during the day.  This from  https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue209.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue209.htm)

[start quote]
ZetaTalk Comment 10/30/2010: The Earth wobble, which the Inuit are documenting, takes the form of a Figure 8, which Nancy has often documented in her Orbits section. A Figure 8 will place the view of the Sun not just high and low, at various times, but also from a tilted position to one side or the other. This is the Sun moving in a snakelike fashion, during the day, and depending upon where one is on the globe it will either too high in the sky or too low, or too far to the east or too far to the west. What one sees from their position on the globe will be different for sunrise than for sunset, etc. We suggest those puzzling over this take a moment to research all the Figure 8 documentation that Nancy has collected over the years, taking into account the azimuth and altitude where the Sun is viewed, as well as the viewers location and time of day.

The Inuit observations came out in the news in November 25, 2009 on Isuma TV. Winning an award at a film festival, this small independent newscaster was given some press and was not suppressed. But the coverage that the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation will offer is far greater, in the realm of major media. What has changed, and will this information be given coverage elsewhere? The timing of this broadcast goes hand in hand, released on the same day, with another press article on the erratic position of the Sun and Moon. Can the fact that this formerly suppressed subject is given media attention on the same day, October 20, 2010, be coincidence? It is not. Were one to look for the finger of the Puppet Master, pressing buttons to get the media to break the firm hold the cover-up has on such news, one need look no further.

Indeed, the erratic position of the Sun and the erratic Moon orbit appeared in a recent article on the web, citing a gag order on the matter suppressing it in the major media. Panic in the people is considered a national security matter, and thus the Earth wobble, and its cause - Planet X in the vicinity - is a forbidden subject.

Huge Media Blackout Regarding Earth and Moon Orbital Changes?
October 20, 2010
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/229/227/ (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/229/227/)
    An increasing number of people around the world have witnessed amazing changes in the location of Sun rise and set in summer and winter. Apparently this is being caused by the earth moving below the old ecliptic plane in summer and above it in winter! The moon is also playing rodeo all over the sky....and the media says nothing. I have read of reports (as yet unsubstantiated) that a "gag order" is in place and professionals dealing with the subject have had to sign non-disclosure agreements regarding these facts. The Inuit peoples of the high arctic have published several stories regarding the changes in sun position at their locations and were told by a meteorologist that it is an "optical phenomenon unique to the extremely high horizon". Yet these changes are visible all over the world. Ordinary citizens from all over the world are reporting their observations regarding the sun and moon changing their positions in the sky. And we're not just talking inches here. The changes are amazing to say the least! The furthest north the sun traditionally appeared for thousands of years, was the tropic of cancer which passes through central Mexico, yet now, at the beginning of summer, it can be witnessed to rise in the direction of Maine and set in the direction of Seattle. And according to the universities, the highest latitude that the moon reaches, is 28.5 degrees, yet for the last couple years at least, it has transgressed that number by a significant margin! One can watch the moon rise low in the south east and set in the southwest, at least from my position at 41 degrees north in the midwest U.S. and then, within two weeks time, it will rise high in the northeast and set in the northwest!

So the wobble, which has steadily become more violent and extreme, is being noticed, even by those who do not understand what is causing it! Per the Zetas, these types of initial volleys of truth are just the start. More is in store from the Puppet Master!
[end quote]
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Road Warrior on October 31, 2010, 11:02:24 PM
yup been tracking that one too..sounds like I may be on to something after all ..and that sucks :'(
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on November 02, 2010, 03:21:28 PM
All I do, is report data or observations. I try not to put many personal comments, as I do not want to prejudice anyone else.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: 8hertz on November 02, 2010, 03:50:54 PM
All I do, is report data or observations. I try not to put many personal comments, as I do not want to prejudice anyone else.  ed

Life sometime just get to serious and we just loose all the fun out of things.  As long as you have the right intention.
I just learn to say Fock it.

8hertz :D ;D ;) 8)
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on November 03, 2010, 10:59:50 AM
8hertz, you hit the whole mess, right on the nose. In the big picture, just saying 'fock it' will be the best path for people. As far as getting to the right location, building the right bunker, having the correct amounts of supplies to last, and seeds with tools to use them, after the approaching 'mess', 'fock it' might be the way to go. Personally, I have that attitude in many instances, in my life.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Alfred Williams on November 03, 2010, 06:02:17 PM
Humans tend to over do everything and still it will be hit or miss and a lot of luck will be the final result. As a society we must maintain the goal of surviving and we here have at least armed ourselves with enough knowledge to have the best chance{{:>)
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on November 03, 2010, 06:29:02 PM
Humans tend to over do everything and still it will be hit or miss and a lot of luck will be the final result. As a society we must maintain the goal of surviving and we here have at least armed ourselves with enough knowledge to have the best chance{{:>)
Totally agree knowledge is our best tool in preparing for the changes. That and the advise on coping with the rejection of our loved ones during our awakening we each go through in discovering the knoledge we will need.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on November 20, 2010, 10:30:06 AM
There are certain 'relationships' noted about the tilt and orbit of the earth sun and moon. I am not the only one noticing. There are others, and they are smart enough to record these things;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naP3b1CuJwk&feature=related
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on November 20, 2010, 10:44:56 AM
Maybe this will wake some more up !!!!!!
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on November 20, 2010, 11:18:13 AM
There are certain 'relationships' noted about the tilt and orbit of the earth sun and moon. I am not the only one noticing. There are others, and they are smart enough to record these things;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naP3b1CuJwk&feature=related

Ed, viewing it, thanks,
Barb
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on November 22, 2010, 05:36:53 PM
We moved/tilted some more, or we are wobbling, but the moonrise was northeast tonite. The highest the moon should be, from 0 degrees south, is about 72 degrees. It is well past straight overhead-90 degrees. I will watch and see if it is going northeast to southwest. Then we are tilted 2 ways. If anyone can, look at the moon tonite and see where it is, and remember, on my latitude around Cleveland, Chicago, and San Francisco, the moon shouldn't be more than 72 degrees from tjhe south horizon.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on November 22, 2010, 05:48:02 PM
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on November 22, 2010, 06:11:05 PM
Oops! I'm sorry. The information source I was using was not being used in a correct manner. That means I screwed up. The moon is suppposed to rise in the NE, and set in the NW. I will recalculate,but I think the moon is close to being where it is supposed to be. sorry bout that  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on November 30, 2010, 02:01:39 PM
We have cloud cover and rain. I want to confirm the moon setting SW of where it rises. It rises NE and should set NW. There are a few things in the sky, that might be fun to look for.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on November 30, 2010, 02:23:03 PM
Gee, don't we at least get a hint here Ed ?????   :D
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: _cj_ on November 30, 2010, 03:14:21 PM
ohh stop it ed - ive just checked

everything is where it is supposed to be

regards,

alex
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on November 30, 2010, 06:10:18 PM
Susan, if I see anything that is of importance, I will report it immediately. It is clouded over, and raining, however.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on November 30, 2010, 06:23:34 PM
Totally pitch black here, no stars etc......
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Road Warrior on December 05, 2010, 08:11:47 PM
as far as we are concerned the whole sky is tilted by about 20 degrees the big dipper is standing on end
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 05, 2010, 08:18:29 PM
as far as we are concerned the whole sky is tilted by about 20 degrees the big dipper is standing on end
YIKES   :o :o :o
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 06, 2010, 12:34:07 PM
Warrior, I can't get a look yet, but 20 degrees was my original estimate. Wish these snowy skies would clear.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Road Warrior on December 06, 2010, 12:38:33 PM
talked with my buddy in Wasila yesterday and said oh good ,,, I thought I was loosing my mind as he sees the same thing :o
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 06, 2010, 12:46:22 PM
If you google 'moon tilt'' or 'sun tilt', you'll see there are a few others.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 06, 2010, 12:59:04 PM
Do we have any updates on the tilt?
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 06, 2010, 01:02:57 PM
Everything has looked out of place for me, and I have thought I was the only one that noticed. I haven't said too much, as I figured it landed on deaf ears, and blind eyes. The few days before we clouded over, the moon was rising in the NE and setting SW, which is totally wrong.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 06, 2010, 01:05:04 PM
Also, I would not eliminate the possibility of a wobble, as I also have watched the sun and how high it is in the sky. Again, the 20 degree estimate comes into play.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 06, 2010, 01:37:02 PM
Is there any source we can get honest figures from? Be it tilt or wobble related?
Last I heard there was a 5 degree differential, now maybe 20? Or am I figuring this wrong somehow?
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Road Warrior on December 06, 2010, 04:19:34 PM
I don't know where it is supposed to be this time of the year either ..now either we are all on glue or we have a significant find ..posted on my face book the other day and asked who could see the moon ..lot of people couldn't find it ..now if this whole 20 degree +/- thing were true then it is fact ..the moon is too far below the horizon and could not be seen

now the way that I see it is that we are either in poleshift mode or the earth is slowing down because we are going to cross the galactic plane and the wobble is greater like a top because we are slowing down ... savy ??
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 06, 2010, 09:47:42 PM
From northern Ohio, the moon rises at about 9:25am and sets about 6:54pm. At 2:08pm the sun should be 26 degrees high in the sky. It changes slightly, but most area will be close to the same. 
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Oleokie on December 09, 2010, 08:22:25 AM
Just wanted to remind you all lets all watch this upcoming lunar eclipse on Dec 21th. Couple of things should be cleared up by it.  #1 is the Dec 6th object that passed in front of the sun.  The moon was only 5 deg away from the sun, according to Nasa data. No eclipse was suppose to occur. If the Dec 20-21st eclipse is not on time or is not a "TOTAL" eclipse then you will have your proof that yes things have moved and there will be no denying it.   So bundle up and lets enjoy the show!!

Oleokie
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 09, 2010, 01:18:38 PM
Okie, this will start the conversation. It comes from the subject we are discussing on the "What the heck went in front of the satellite?" This is a post from a person and they are talking what a person from NASA said, that cleared up the other dilemma. But, we have this, and it sorta proves the moon isn't where it's supposed to be;
 
NASA said it would occur...

When: 2010-12-04 02:45:22 UT

but we can see it occurred 2010-12-06 03:00:00 UT

any explanation for the 24 hour discrepancy?

sdoisgoDOTblogspotDOTcom/2010/­12/there-will-be-lunar-transit­-tomorrow.html

Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on December 09, 2010, 05:42:26 PM
as far as we are concerned the whole sky is tilted by about 20 degrees the big dipper is standing on end

Didn't mention it before but I looked at the dipper and it looked upside down to me too, a few
days ago, before you posted.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 09, 2010, 05:55:37 PM
Cloud cover, again.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 09, 2010, 06:04:03 PM
We're socked in here with a marine layer tonight
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 09, 2010, 06:19:20 PM
Could be worse. Could be socked in with an Army layer.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 09, 2010, 07:17:26 PM
Could be worse. Could be socked in with an Army layer.  ed
:P :P
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 09, 2010, 08:32:31 PM
No offense to any branch of the military that isn't the USMC.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 09, 2010, 08:35:10 PM
No offense to any branch of the military that isn't the USMC.  ed
Hmmmm, well I got the marine layer right !!!!!
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 10, 2010, 07:34:35 AM
Marine layer = fog like conditions
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 10, 2010, 09:00:17 AM
No further comment...   ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 10, 2010, 09:01:21 AM
No further comment...   ed
:o :o
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on December 13, 2010, 06:23:03 AM
Ed even though the NWS is saying it's not freakish (the cold weather here in cw Florida) it does seem unusual to me.
Daughter and I observing to see how cold it ends up getting this winter. Not even officially winter.
She had lived out here for many years before I got here and she sas it's nuts. Went outside this AM seemed like it was trying to snow...
Any ideas on how far, in  miles the earth might have tilted?

Yowbarb
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 13, 2010, 09:56:08 AM
Well, let's see. 10 degrees would be about 694 miles, so if it's 15 degrees, it would be 1041 miles. That is substantial, to me.  I am half asleep today, but here's my thoughts; 360 divided by 10 = 36 or, 1/36th of the circumference of earth, but circumference of earth in miles, is about 25, 000. 25,000 divided by 36=694.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 13, 2010, 10:01:53 AM
That is a HUGE differential to me.  :o :o  Here we've all taken a 694 mile trip and didn't know it too........
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 13, 2010, 10:20:25 AM
You are revolving at 1,000 MPH, and can't feel it. If it happens slowly, it would be difficult to feel. But then there are times like recently when all of the seismic sensors showed a disturbance, simultaneously. Who knows?  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Road Warrior on December 13, 2010, 11:07:14 AM
now this is fun  :P

-30 C right now ..winter is here ..the stoves are burning ...
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Alfred Williams on December 13, 2010, 11:09:23 AM
Yes glad you noted that Ed. Something pulsed a lot of ground at the same time indicating the whole planet got a shake{{:>) I hope that someone is monitoring for that to happen again. we may have had some in our past records bet it is hard to sift through all that data{{:>)
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Road Warrior on December 13, 2010, 11:10:21 AM
Well, let's see. 10 degrees would be about 694 miles, so if it's 15 degrees, it would be 1041 miles. That is substantial, to me.  I am half asleep today, but here's my thoughts; 360 divided by 10 = 36 or, 1/36th of the circumference of earth, but circumference of earth in miles, is about 25, 000. 25,000 divided by 36=694.  ed

suppose this is true  ....does that mean Im coming to you guys ....or vica versa ..which means ..I am heading to the north pole ..oh yea ....not :o

if you guys are gettin my weather then should I not be warming up soon ??
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Alfred Williams on December 13, 2010, 11:12:25 AM
Brrrr Roadwarrior. We are balmy next to you here in Ga
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: VillageIdiot on December 13, 2010, 11:14:03 AM
now this is fun  :P

-30 C right now ..winter is here ..the stoves are burning ...
Sorry to hear that! Denver is currently experiencing a bit of a warm spell... 64 F (17.8 C) at it feels like late September / early October.  :-X
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 13, 2010, 11:45:39 AM
Yowbarb, guess we'd best order some thermal clothes then !!!!!
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on December 13, 2010, 03:53:48 PM
Yowbarb, guess we'd best order some thermal clothes then !!!!!

Yes if that is really going to happen we better "gear up" for some changes...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41vi5c4iU2L._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 13, 2010, 04:00:05 PM
"Just in case" ordered us each 2 sets of thermal tops and bottoms, one just never knows. RW, hopefully you'll be coming south for some warm weather, sounds like you can use it. Believe I may be doing some backtracking to stay in my hood, like the climate we have, or is that ahead tracking ???
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Linda on December 13, 2010, 06:39:54 PM
Yowbarb, guess we'd best order some thermal clothes then !!!!!

Yes if that is really going to happen we better "gear up" for some changes...

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41vi5c4iU2L._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

Just bought my husband one of those"Mad Bomber Hats" with the fur lining (of course his is Not pink, LOL) With the winter we are having he will get some use out of it this year for sure.

Linda
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 13, 2010, 06:52:49 PM
Better get yourself one too Linda......
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on December 13, 2010, 09:18:16 PM
Linda I love those! All the sisters need one too...
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 13, 2010, 09:25:15 PM
The new Ya-Ya hats !!!!!!!!   8) 8) Maybe we can get em tin foil lined ????  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: asoldierstory on December 14, 2010, 05:11:16 AM
it is 21 below 0 here in minnesota this morning. its going all the way up to +2 later!!
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Lori on December 14, 2010, 05:55:06 AM
Good Idea :)

The new Ya-Ya hats !!!!!!!!   8) 8) Maybe we can get em tin foil lined ????  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 14, 2010, 08:41:08 AM
it is 21 below 0 here in minnesota this morning. its going all the way up to +2 later!!


Sounds like a typical Minnesota summer day.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on December 14, 2010, 11:15:57 AM
The new Ya-Ya hats !!!!!!!!   8) 8) Maybe we can get em tin foil lined ????  ;D ;D

Yeah!! That way no one will see the tin foil only the pink fur, hehe
 8)   8)   8)   8)
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 14, 2010, 07:10:27 PM
Ha! You Ladies are as crazy as I am!  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Linda on December 15, 2010, 05:09:30 AM
The new Ya-Ya hats !!!!!!!!   8) 8) Maybe we can get em tin foil lined ????  ;D ;D

Yeah!! That way no one will see the tin foil only the pink fur, hehe
 8)   8)   8)   8)

LOL love it Barb. These bomber hats should be in all our survival kits, and of course we should have different colors for our after shift wardrobes! 8) 8) 8)

Linda
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 15, 2010, 09:15:55 AM
Getting back to the subject, any new updates anyone?
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 15, 2010, 10:22:46 AM
It requires a clear sky, so anyone have a view of the moon and stars? I haven't had a view for over a week. Maybe tonite will be different.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 15, 2010, 10:31:12 AM
We're still in thick weather here with rain due so will see what happens tonight.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: VillageIdiot on December 15, 2010, 11:35:35 AM
It's been clear skies in the Denver area for the past week. All I see each morning is Venus rising at approximately 4 AM in the ESE. Between 4 AM and dawn it rises in a southerly direction; approx 45 degree angle.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: skywriter1962 on December 15, 2010, 12:32:45 PM
Tin foil hats? are you serious? for what?...Or did i just miss some private joke?, just wondering if there is anything important that i missed....Patricia
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 15, 2010, 12:45:27 PM
Tin foil hats? are you serious? for what?...Or did i just miss some private joke?, just wondering if there is anything important that i missed....Patricia
We have to lighten things up now and again......
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Jimfarmer on December 15, 2010, 12:58:06 PM
"Tin foil hats? are you serious? for what?"
I think that they are referring to blocking of "atomic" radiation from the sun.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: _cj_ on December 15, 2010, 01:00:47 PM
its just a joke i brought over from stormatch - no one is serious that you need a tin foil hat  :D

regards,

alex
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 15, 2010, 01:16:58 PM
What? Not serious? You mean I've been wearing this darn tinfoil thing for a few days for nothing? GEEEEZ! ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 15, 2010, 01:22:47 PM
What? Not serious? You mean I've been wearing this darn tinfoil thing for a few days for nothing? GEEEEZ! ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: _cj_ on December 15, 2010, 09:21:49 PM
What? Not serious? You mean I've been wearing this darn tinfoil thing for a few days for nothing? GEEEEZ! ed

we need pictures  ;)
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on December 16, 2010, 05:06:12 AM
It requires a clear sky, so anyone have a view of the moon and stars? I haven't had a view for over a week. Maybe tonite will be different.  ed

Posted an update on the object in the Legitimate...photos etc, Topic.
Object could still be seen before sun cleared horizon. Just S of SE (no compass).
Wasn't out there predawn. Even at dawn there was ice on our patio cushions and the rooftops...
BRRR-RRR.

Yowbarb[/color]
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 18, 2010, 11:10:06 AM
The sky is clear enough to see the sun today.  According to 'timedate' site I use for the base statistics, the solar noon is about 12:30pm, and the sun should be at 25.1 degrees above the horizon. The sun was at approximately 45 degrees at solar noon. My eyes are bad, but not bad enough to mistake where the sun is, in the sky.   ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 18, 2010, 11:21:05 AM
The sky is clear enough to see the sun today.  According to 'timedate' site I use for the base statistics, the solar noon is about 12:30pm, and the sun should be at 25.1 degrees above the horizon. The sun was at approximately 45 degrees at solar noon. My eyes are bad, but not bad enough to mistake where the sun is, in the sky.   ed
Thanks Ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Bill on December 19, 2010, 10:09:12 AM
Today I used my laser sight on my telescope and at 12:30 sighted the sun, then I measured the angle using a protracter and level I came up with 25 degrees. I think that confirms a proper angle on the earth axis. I will do the same thing for the moon later.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: _cj_ on December 19, 2010, 10:38:13 AM
greatly appreciated bill - cheers

alex
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Buddhalight on December 19, 2010, 03:51:08 PM
Hi everyone. I really should have posted this a few weeks ago, when it was apparent to me. I wake around the same time every day, for work.  The time of twilight was gradually getting later and later around 8:15 to 8:30 id start seeing the first flicker of twilight then suddenly, i think it was friday the 3rd, it began getting twilight 7:15 to 7:30. It was so early i woke from bed thinking i was so late, then i checked with a friend and we both thought it was wierd. A few days later it seemed to get back on scheldule.  Im in alaska, anyone else notice this wobble around that time?  I was thinking of asking the zetas about it but figure this is pretty normal since the big brown dwarf is on its way!
Ill hold my seat as im shot towards the equator in the 9 mag earthquakes! 
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 19, 2010, 04:27:21 PM
Hi everyone. I really should have posted this a few weeks ago, when it was apparent to me. I wake around the same time every day, for work.  The time of twilight was gradually getting later and later around 8:15 to 8:30 id start seeing the first flicker of twilight then suddenly, i think it was friday the 3rd, it began getting twilight 7:15 to 7:30. It was so early i woke from bed thinking i was so late, then i checked with a friend and we both thought it was wierd. A few days later it seemed to get back on scheldule.  Im in alaska, anyone else notice this wobble around that time?  I was thinking of asking the zetas about it but figure this is pretty normal since the big brown dwarf is on its way!
Ill hold my seat as im shot towards the equator in the 9 mag earthquakes!
Make sure you put seatbelts on that seat !!!   ;) ;)
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 20, 2010, 09:58:20 AM
Weird! I could barely see the sun thru the cloud cover, but it was slightly visible, and much lower in the sky than when I observed the other day. Bad meds, or something.  ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 20, 2010, 10:12:54 AM
We're in the midst of this storm here, worst rains in 10 years and it is a mess so with another 2 days to go most likely won't be seeing anything here.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 20, 2010, 11:08:15 AM
Nor here.   ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 20, 2010, 11:35:36 AM
Well now I KNOW we've tilted, we're getting light SNOW here, melts as it hits the ground, but snow it is !!!!!!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Lori on December 20, 2010, 12:10:28 PM
 :o SNOW.  Wow.  We might get a small dusting of snow here on Christmas.  It would be wonderful.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 20, 2010, 02:31:23 PM
Susan, they'll probably say it was the "worst in 58 years."  When we're getting snow, that far south, if anyone questions whether the weather has gone weird on us, just think of Susan making snowmen.    ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on December 20, 2010, 09:15:01 PM
Well now I KNOW we've tilted, we're getting light SNOW here, melts as it hits the ground, but snow it is !!!!!!  :o :o :o

Good grief!! I just saw this!
Will email you too,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Lori on December 21, 2010, 08:07:39 AM
Snow in Australia in the summer.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7677511-snow-fell-in-the-summer-in-australia
 ???
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: lwnottingham on December 21, 2010, 11:35:58 AM
Possible reasons for strange weather patterns across the globe
- BP oil spill
- earth/moon tilt
- px

Or has anyone considered that these might be effects from HAARP????

Leigh
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 21, 2010, 12:36:38 PM
I have given it some consideration, but won't lend credence to it, yet. The oils spill closed the Gulf of Mexico connection to the Atlantic stream that carries warm water north, keeping England and such, warm. I would combine the tilt and "X". Because it would be "X" causing the tilt, most likely.   Then maybe we're just over reacting. Just because England is frozen solid, snow in Baja, Mexico, snow in Australia, torrential rains and floods in California, etc, etc. Just another normal winter?   ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Road Warrior on December 21, 2010, 01:44:13 PM
I reckon that we are on the 7-10 scale right now ..for real !

it just gets better and better ..

I posted this on my site yesterday and today the guy has a follow up ..not sure as to post a youtube here so I'll link on over to mine

http://www.go2ground.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=poleshiftwhatabout&action=display&thread=1180&page=1
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 22, 2010, 03:40:45 PM
FINALLY back on line, seems the storm knocked the entire grid out here from Calafia to Playas de Rosarito, and the transmitter for my WiFi service is dead center !!!! Plus we have high rise condo buildongs collapsing, AND the Wifi service told me that sometime during the night both of their tower moved out of position !!!!  This has not been a fun few days around here for sure.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Road Warrior on December 28, 2010, 12:20:53 PM
wow man ..that bad huh ..how did ya do ..?? was missing you on our site too  :(
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 28, 2010, 12:32:25 PM
wow man ..that bad huh ..how did ya do ..?? was missing you on our site too  :(
I learned to now print everything out daily and I'll go into DETOX when it goes for good !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Astronut on March 03, 2011, 09:34:25 AM
I directly measured earth's axial orientation using an 8" Schmidt-Cassegrain telescope by aiming it at the north celestial pole (NCP), shutting the tracking system off, and then runing an exposure for about 20 minutes.  This produced the familiar circular "star trails" photo one gets when doing a long exposure while aimed at a celestial pole, but at a much higher angular resolution than you could get with a regular camera lens.  In fact, it was so high in resolution that Polaris wasn't even in the same field of view, the only stars present were far too dim to be seen by eye and were all within about 30 arcminutes of the north celestial pole. 

I measured from the star USNO-A2 1725-00691811.  Its J2000 coordinates are:
21h 23m 00.84s +89d 52' 49.8"
Precessed to 2011.02 (the time the photo was taken), the coordinates would have been:
19h 30m 19.50s +89d 55' 05.8"
Therefore the star should have been 294.2 arcseconds from the north celestial pole. 

My camera and telescope combination produce an angular resolution of 1.88 arcseconds per pixel when the images are scaled down to 1024 resolution:
http://flickr.com/gp/astropics/4a5342
I measured USNO-A2 1725-00691811 to be 156.9 pixels from the NCP in the image I took:
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm477/ngchunter/ncpoffsetusnoa2.jpg
Original image here:
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm477/ngchunter/ncpweb.jpg
That corresponds to a distance of 294.972 arcseconds from the NCP, less than an arcsecond from the expected value and well within the resolution of the image itself. 

There is only one possible conclusion; the north celestial pole and axis of the earth's rotation is right where it should be to within an arcsecond of its expected value.  Precession and milliarcsecond scale shifts due to things like earthquakes and the Chandler wobble notwithstanding, there is no change in earth's tilt.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: _cj_ on March 03, 2011, 09:53:53 AM
thank you for spending the time to do that astronut and welcome to the forum

regards,

alex
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on March 03, 2011, 10:44:44 AM
Welcome to Town Hall Astronut
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on March 03, 2011, 12:56:16 PM
Well done, Astronut. Welcome   ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: ASEEKERTOO on March 03, 2011, 02:07:50 PM
Excellent Astronut.
Why couldn't someone like you be sitting in front of me in Physics Class back in the day. Instead of that guy that almost failed along with me
with the same exact grade I got....... :)


Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Hammerhead on March 03, 2011, 05:23:47 PM
I had the same thing in college Chemistry 101 YIKES! that class made my brain hurt!
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on March 03, 2011, 06:33:28 PM
When I was in college, keypunch operator was an open field for employment. I remember learning to use an IBM 029 collator to sort cards.   Oops! I mean, er, that my grandpa told me he did.   ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: noproblemo2 on March 03, 2011, 07:24:38 PM
When I was in college, keypunch operator was an open field for employment. I remember learning to use an IBM 029 collator to sort cards.   Oops! I mean, er, that my grandpa told me he did.   ed
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: GEMUNIS on March 06, 2011, 01:14:54 AM
You know, judging from what I have learned about proportion, the moon doe's look like it might have tilted, for the the texture within the crevices appear completely different from the textures I was use to seeing.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Jimfarmer on January 04, 2013, 10:08:41 PM
From "ZetaTalk Chat Q&A for December 29, 2012"  at  https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/29de2012.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/29de2012.htm) :

[start extract]
At 1:45 Sunday morning (December 23, 2012) I decided to do my dishes and looked out the kitchen window and saw the moon moving quite briskly toward the north.  There are a lot of trees behind my house and within 15 minutes I could see it approach a limb, go behind it and not be visible then reappear from behind the branch. When I first saw this occurring I could stand in front of the sink, and look directly at it. 30 minutes later as I write this, I have to move to other windows to follow it. Judging by the speed, the moon will be directly north in about 45 minutes.  We must be in drastic wobble. How can the moon make a sharp 90 degree angle turn? I am located in central Massachusetts.
(https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/29de001.jpg)
At 1:45 am, just past midnight on December 23, 2012 from Massachusetts, the Moon should have been almost due West and partially below the horizon, not truly visible from your location, especially at 2:15 am when it should have been entirely below the horizon. That it then moved rapidly toward the North in your view shows the wobble was pulling your side of the globe down toward the South. In point of fact, since you, in Massachusetts, were on the dark side of the globe at this time, it was the violent push of the magnetic N Pole of Earth up, on the other side of the globe, that caused this rapid motion in your view. It was not the Moon that was moving, it was the Earth that was moving [https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta204.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta204.htm)]. Such rapid movements of the Moon have been noted in the past, and even captured on film [https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue304.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue304.htm)].
[end extract]
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on January 10, 2013, 04:24:04 PM
Wow Jim, that's interesting...or perhaps alarming...
Thanks,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: jrobert69 on January 10, 2013, 04:58:52 PM
Ive been going to the gym around 4:45 am. The moon monday morning was cresent but so bright you could see the dark parts being lite up as though someone was shining a flashlight on it. Looked amazing. It was incredibly large though- surreal. By the time I left the gym around 6:15 I looked up and it was a fraction of the size it had been just an hour and change earlier. So essentially something that was bigger than a silver dollar to smaller than a dime.  It was weird.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Yowbarb on January 10, 2013, 06:50:17 PM
Ive been going to the gym around 4:45 am. The moon monday morning was cresent but so bright you could see the dark parts being lite up as though someone was shining a flashlight on it. Looked amazing. It was incredibly large though- surreal. By the time I left the gym around 6:15 I looked up and it was a fraction of the size it had been just an hour and change earlier. So essentially something that was bigger than a silver dollar to smaller than a dime.  It was weird.

That does sound strange...
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Ed Douglas on January 11, 2013, 11:09:41 AM
When the moon is close to the horizon it appears larger, then gets smaller as it moves higher into the sky. Optical illusion, due to light refraction of the atmosphere.      ed
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Hammerhead on January 24, 2013, 06:14:37 PM
@ jrobert69 - What you saw is called earthshine (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2002/12apr_earthshine/ (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2002/12apr_earthshine/)) It is a really cool effect of light bouncing off the earth and hitting the lunar disk. I love seeing it!
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: enlightenme on January 25, 2013, 04:37:33 AM
Thanks Ed, Hammerhead for the explanations!
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: jrobert69 on January 25, 2013, 01:21:09 PM
Thank you I had no idea. It was pretty intense. 
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: MadMax on March 24, 2017, 02:45:32 AM
Alert! The Moon’s Orbit Is Off – Science Article Proves It!

http://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-science/2017/03/alert-the-moons-orbit-is-off-science-article-proves-it-2451216.html

Below I will leave a link to the actual scientific article. The article clearly indicates through laser telemetry data astronomers discovered changes in the moon’s orbit as early as 2011. Scientists who wrote the article used standard gravitational equations to test theoretical and more plausible explainations for the changes observed in the moon’s orbit.

But wait a minute! You asked? If the moon’s orbit is off then why aren’t we seeing phase disturbances and missing eclipses? The answers have already been given to us lay people by unscheduled lunar eclipses, changes in actual orientation of scheduled eclipses, changes in the appearance of both the new moon and the gibbous moons (egg shaped,) and I must remind you that a phase disturbance was reported on and clearly demonstrated July 2, 2015, a year and a half ago. But even lay people sense that the frequent appearances of super moons in itself suggests a change in orbit.

The other feature of the moon that has changed over the last six years has been the actual location of key landmarks having rotated counterclockwise by as much as 30 degrees. For those that wish to argue and deny I must remind you of basic physics; it would be impossible to change one motion of the moon without impacting the moon’s other motions. Indeed, the science article referred to herein indicates a change in ellipticality, which would explain all the super moons.

In the video below these matters are discussed and a more detailed analysis of the article is presented. Even though some subjective conclusions by the authors of this science article seem suspicious one thing we all can agree on is that no matter what caused the moon to drift and shift the fact that there have been actual changes in the moon’s orbit should now be considered public record and factual.

On the anomalous secular increase of the eccentricity of the orbit of the Moon!

https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/415/2/1266/1036753/On-the-anomalous-secular-increase-of-the

1 INTRODUCTION

Anderson & Nieto (2010), in a review of some astrometric anomalies, recently detected in the Solar system by several independent groups, mentioned also an anomalous secular increase of the eccentricity1e of the orbit of the Moon!


Max.

Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: ilinda on March 24, 2017, 03:10:01 PM
It's really hard to believe that true astronomers are actually referring to Planet X, but here it is.  Of course they claim that "not even the hypothesis of Planet X" can account for the changes. 

Problem is, what exactly IS the "hypothesis of Planet X"?  Of all the astronomers who talk of it, none mentions anything about a group or grouping of bodies travelling together, like a small solar system of its own.  So how could they calculate a correct mass for the so-called Planet X, when they don't discuss how many bodies, or the mass of each?

Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: R.R. Book on July 17, 2018, 01:01:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA7L3Mke50o @ around 2:00

Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: R.R. Book on July 17, 2018, 01:13:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZE7PNfwN6I @ 8:37

Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Jimfarmer on July 17, 2018, 10:31:26 PM
Re. "The New Normal" phases of the Moon:

Tilting or rotation of the Moon or the Earth will not cause that effect.  The position of the Moon relative to the Earth and Sun must change.  For both the waxing crescent and waning crescent cases, the Moon must be further away from the Earth so that the sunlight illuminates the bottom of the Moon (waxing case) or the top of the Moon (waning case) - as seen from Earth.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: R.R. Book on July 18, 2018, 08:17:55 AM
Thanks for sharing that info with us Jim!

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the Moon must be further away from the Earth so that the sunlight illuminates the bottom of the Moon (waxing case) or the top of the Moon (waning case) - as seen from Earth.

So I take it that the moon has drifted away from us a bit then?
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: Jimfarmer on July 18, 2018, 11:09:38 AM
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So I take it that the moon has drifted away from us a bit then?

Yes, but not simply increased radius of the orbit.  Increased eccentricity means more ellipse-shaped as opposed to a circle.

From reply 171:
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On the anomalous secular increase of the eccentricity of the orbit of the Moon!

https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/415/2/1266/1036753/On-the-anomalous-secular-increase-of-the

1 INTRODUCTION

Anderson & Nieto (2010), in a review of some astrometric anomalies, recently detected in the Solar system by several independent groups, mentioned also an anomalous secular increase of the eccentricity1e of the orbit of the Moon!
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: R.R. Book on July 18, 2018, 06:07:49 PM
So this has been in-progress for several years now!
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: MadMax on July 19, 2018, 04:39:01 PM
Great video on this by Steve:

Catfish Breaks Down MOON TILT - UNCUT - Sobering...

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"I saw the Moon turn up side down.."

https://youtu.be/gFO8XS5mV40

Max.
Title: Re: Earth and moon tilt changes
Post by: R.R. Book on July 19, 2018, 05:50:03 PM
Toward the end of the link that Max provided: