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Title: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on October 09, 2010, 06:11:43 PM
I started a thread with this title in a topic elsewhere, but I didn't realize that it is accessible only to moderators there.  So, I will copy the items from there to here so that everyone can read them.  I'll do one item every 2 or 3 days.  Here goes:
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From Sept 26 by me:
 Here are two resources that I found today:
1) http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/ (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/)  gives maps of US states showing locations of earthquakes from 1990 to 2006, terrain, and major cities.  (1 map per state)  Hopefully the gov't of other countries produce similar maps.

2) http://geology.com/state-map/ (http://geology.com/state-map/) gives maps of US states showing terrain and rivers, county names, major roads and cities, elevations, and lakes and rivers.  (5 maps per state)  County boundaries are shown on all maps.  That page has a link to a "World Maps" section.

I have some ideas about other info that could be posted in this topic also, such as criteria for choosing a location.  (Isolation, weather before and after the pole shift, distance from oceans and lakes, elevation, etc.)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: HoneyBee2012 on October 10, 2010, 08:40:05 AM
Hey,

Thanks for posting those websites.  They provide a wealth of information concerning  terrain and rivers, county names, major roads and cities, elevations, and lakes and rivers and also the seismic areas of the world and our country.  You mentioned criteria for chosing a location before the pole shift and would be interested in your views concerning a most important topic.  If that "I am America map" is pertinent, I am up the creek as I am coastal.  Any current information regarding this would be great.  Thank you! ;D
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on October 10, 2010, 09:52:42 AM
Yo HoneyBee,

You said "... I am up the creek as I am coastal".  Yes, I think so.
Here are references from a posting on August 17, 2010 in topic "Intro Board" :
Google this: "maps of earth changes in 2012" to see several versions of changes in coast lines.
Read about specific locations in https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm) .

But, forewarned is forearmed, so just think ahead.  And, read the items that I am posting in the "Ascension" thread.
(More coming soon)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on October 11, 2010, 10:17:19 AM
Re. selecting a favorable location, here is the 7-step plan of the Zetas at https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue203.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue203.htm) :

[start quote]
7 Steps

    Those who first learn of the pending pole shift and the presence of Planet X in the inner solar system are often at a loss on where to start. They know global catastrophes will happen, and preparations should be made, but where to start? The ZetaTalk website is vast. Recently, in anticipation of an uptick in Earth changes with many newcomers to the subject suddenly becoming aware for the first time, the Zetas provided some advice.

    ZetaTalk Advice 9/11/2010: Step 1 is to research your location in the Safe Locations information on the ZetaTalk website. In this you should examine not only your country, your state or province, or your city but also any nearby. Your specific town may not be covered but the whole river valley may be predicted to flood and to flood permanently. This would be a clue that your specific town will be likewise affected. We cannot and have not addressed every spot on Earth, due to time and energy constraints.

    Step 2 is to research your location from the standpoint of the climate that will exist after the pole shift. This is quickly ascertained by looking at the New Geology map. This is a free map which can be cut out and taped together and will give a general idea of the latitude to expect. If your chosen location is where one of the new poles will be, this is a clue that you need to rethink or plan a migration route. This is likewise the case if your chosen location will be on land that will sink below the waves entirely, such as India or western Australia.

(https://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/pgeon.gif)

    ZetaTalk Advice 9/11/2010: Step 3 is to research your elevation above sea level. A handy and free tool is Google Earth which can be downloaded into a PC and will show the exact elevation of any spot the cursor passes over. Google Maps is a modified version that allows a color coded map based on elevation. Our advice to be 100 miles from a coastline and 200 feet above sea level to avoid the coastal tidal waves during the pole shift should be applied. You can determine your current elevation and whether your location will be 675 feet above sea level where the water will rise within 2 years after the pole shift. A rough guide in this matter is the map Nancy created.

(https://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/pmelt.gif)

    ZetaTalk Advice 9/11/2010: Step 4 is to determine if you are in one of those regions which will rise or fall. India and western Australia will be below the waves as of the time of the pole shift, and being pushed down before the pole shift. Japan gains 150 feet, New Zealand gains 500 feet and eastern Australia benefits also, Spain loses 50 feet, western UK loses 150 feet, New England gains 450 feet due to the Seaway rip, Florida loses 150 feet, and Vancouver gains 100 feet.

(https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/11sp010.jpg)

    ZetaTalk Advice 9/11/2010: Step 5 is to research the effect of swollen rivers which will likely be in a backwash during the pole shift. We have stated that all rivers will be over their banks, so the worst possible scenario should be assumed. What will happen if the river cannot drain? Despite having a good sea level elevation, any land that does not have an advantage of being at least 200 feet in elevation over a major river bottom in the vicinity is likely to be flooded. A backwash from the main river in your vicinity should be assumed, so that creeks will not drain, for instance. Water on the move tears and bites and scours, and will undercut the soil under buildings so they will tilt and tumble. Being on solid rock that will not melt in this scenario is advised. Tidal bore along cliffs facing the ocean can likewise have water climbing up, or funneled up by ravines which will direct water all the way to Guadalajara from the Pacific, for example. Think this through, for your location, and be on the safe side.

    Step 6 is to examine your volcanic or geographic risk due to mountain building. We have advised a 100 mile radius from all volcanoes that have been active within the last 10,000 years, and that Yellowstone will not become a super volcano. You can determine if the new westerly winds will blow volcanic ash in your direction. Consider that what was formerly north will now be west or east. Fire storms, though extremely rare, almost always occur near erupting volcanoes during the hour of the pole shift. We have advised that if in areas subject to mountain building that old rock not shattered is a good guide to what will survive, and newly fractured rock is a clue that more of the same might be expected. Older mountains as the Alps and Appalachians are considered safe, where the Sierras and Andes are building.

(https://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/pdese.gif)

    ZetaTalk Advice 9/11/2010: Step 7 is to ascertain if you need a migration route. It is possible to survive the pole shift by avoiding tidal waves and staying outside of structures that will crush you, but to be in a position to be flooded within 2 years after the pole shift. Siberia is a case in point. Here the land is so low in elevation that vast swaths of land will be flooded, and survivors must plan to migrate on foot or via boat. Survivors near the new N Pole off the Bulge of Brazil might consider migrating toward the Andes and their familiar tropical warmth. Such migration, and your target location, can be plotted. Migration routes can be expected to be crowded, so should be avoided as a location for survival camps in general.
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I reckon that this procedure is still not complete, but it is a good start.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on October 31, 2010, 06:12:02 PM
Here is some analysis of the temperature factor.  It is not complete yet; I have not been able to get the Zetas to specify the positions of the continents after the pole shift with sufficient accuracy to allow identification of tropic and temperate regions completely.  I am still working on it!

So, here is part A -- current situation:
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Favorable Locations: The Temperature Factor.

We seek locations having fertile land, permanent potable water, adequate sunshine and rainfall for a variety of crops, and lack of extremes of weather, both before and after the pole shift.

The climate of a location is affected by its latitude, terrain, and elevation, as well as nearby water bodies and their currents.  Rainfall is then determined by those factors as well as the prevailing winds and seasonal or longer-term effects (e.g, El Nino).  (http://www.mvla.net/teachers/TeriF/Earth%20Science/Pages/FactorsthatAffectClimateTutorial.aspx (http://www.mvla.net/teachers/TeriF/Earth%20Science/Pages/FactorsthatAffectClimateTutorial.aspx)  and  http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_factors_that_determine_climate (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_factors_that_determine_climate))

At sea level and on islands, the local climate is stongly affected by the nearby ocean currents.  But, the Zetas recommend to be at least 675 feet (206 meters) above sea level and 100 miles (161 kilometers) inland in order to be beyond the reach of 1) tsunamis and 2) rising sea levels.     (http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/determine-your-safe-locations (http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/determine-your-safe-locations))

The only geographical situation that provides a comfortable temperature with little diurnal or seasonal variation is to be at about 3000 feet (914 meters.) elevation at the equator (or nearby) -- but not in a very dry region nor further than 600 miles (965 kilometers) downwind from an ocean, approximately.

Example: At Puyo, Ecuador at 3117 feet (950 meters) elevation and 1.3 degrees south latitude, the highest monthy average temperature is 69 degrees Fahrenheit (21 degrees Celsius) and the lowest monthly average is 66 degrees Fahrenheit (19 degrees Celsius), giving a difference of 3 degrees Fahrenheit (2 degrees Celsius). Diurnal range for 10/10/2010 was 22 degrees Fahrenheit (12 degrees Celsius) -- 53~75 degrees Fahrenheit (12~24 degrees Celsius).  That compares well to the differences between highest monthly average of daily high temperatures and lowest monthly average of daily low temperatures of 20 degrees Fahrenheit (11 degrees Celsius) at Guayaquil, Ecuador (elevation 30 feet -- 9 meters) and 24 degrees Fahrenheit (14 degrees Celsius) at Cuenca, Ecuador (elevation 8291 feet -- 2527 meters).

From there, you can have a comfortable average temperature but with greater variation by going down in elevation and up in latitude.  To make the analysis easy, let's consider the tropics as limits of latitude, so that reasonable comfort can be maintained with only fans, small heaters or stoves, and ordinary clothing, rather than requiring complete heating and cooling systems.

Example: AT Mazatlan, on the west coast of Mexico, at 16 feet (4 meters) elevation and 23.1 degrees north latitude, the highest monthly average temperature is 84 degrees Fahrenheit (28 degrees Celsius) and the lowest monthly average temperature is 69 degrees Fahrenheit (20 degrees Celsius), giving a difference of 15 degrees Fahrenheit (8 degrees Celsius).  The difference there between the highest monthly average of daily high temperatures and the lowest monthly average of daily low temperatures is 34 degrees Fahrenheit (19 degrees Celsius).  The diurnal range for 10/10/2010 was 11 degrees Fahrenheit (6 degrees Celsius).

The Internet site http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/outreach/lesson_plans/Teacher%20Background%20Information-%20Earth%27s%20Climate.pdf (http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/outreach/lesson_plans/Teacher%20Background%20Information-%20Earth%27s%20Climate.pdf)
 shows that the north and south isotherms of 18 degrees Celsius (64 degrees Fahrenheit) for the average coolest month are not straight lines, but they cross the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn several times.  So do the isotherms of 70 degrees Fahrenheit (21 degrees Celsius) for the average temperature in January.

(This information is consistent with personal experience of living in Colombia, Australia, and Fiji for several years each.)

The Internet site http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~mripol/3024/Notes&Handouts/MultReg-TempvsLatElev.pdf  (http://www.stat.ufl.edu/~mripol/3024/Notes&Handouts/MultReg-TempvsLatElev.pdf) shows a statistical curve-fit of average annual temperature (in degrees Fahrenheit) to latitude and elevation (in feet) that accounts for 99% of the total variance of the data set.  The result is:
   temp = 109 - 1.83 lat - 0.00185 elev
The scattergrams show a nicely linear relationship of temperature to latitude; but a definite nonlinear effect of elevation on temperature at elevations above 2000 feet is evident.  Although it appears that the inclusion of a term for elevation squared would have improved the fit of the equation, a more complicated equation that did include elevation squared did not produce significant improvement.

The Internet site http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap16/geo_clim.html  (http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap16/geo_clim.html) investigates temperatures (in Celsius)  versus latitude, elevation, rainfall, and downwind distance from the ocean (in kilometers).  Using annual temperature range as the difference between the hottest and coldest months, taking monthly mean temperatures in each case, two of the results are the following.
1) The contour of annual range of temperature of 8 degrees Celsius (14 degrees Fahrenheit) in South America runs close to the tropic of Capricorn -- except in the coastal desert of Chile, where it curves southward.
2) A good fit to the data set is obtained by the equation
   AnnualTempRange = 0.13*Latitude*Distance^0.2
where "*" indicates multiplication and "^" indicates exponentiation.
Average daily temperature range did not correlate well with any of those independent variables, except for a slight statistical inverse relationship to rainfall.

So, the generalized relationship between latitude and elevation at locations having favorable temperature ranges is a straight line from 23 degrees north or south latitude and 0 elevation to 0 degrees latitude and 3000 feet (914 meters) elevation.  The equations for those lines, valid within the tropics and for elevations up to 3000 feet (914 meters),  are:
   elevation = 3000*(1-0.0435*latitude) in feet
   elevation = 914*(1-0.0435*latitude)  in meters
   latitude = 0.00767*(3000-elevation)   for elevation in feet
   latitude = 0.0252*(914-elevation)   for elevation in meters
It should be remembered, though, that local geography can render a location unfavorable even though it satisfies the general relationship between latitude and elevation.

Temperature and rainfall averages for thousands of cities and towns all around the world can be obtained at http://www.weatherbase.com (http://www.weatherbase.com) .

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Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on October 31, 2010, 07:03:00 PM
Here is as much of the Temperature Factor, part B (after the pole shift) as I have gathered together so far.  More will come if the Zetas answer my questions -- which Nancy has refused to allow so far.

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We seek locations in the tropics, or at least with latitudes less than, say, 45 degrees, after the pole shift so that temperature ranges will not be problematic.

The Zeta's map that shows the new equator and the new poles is this:
(https://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/pgeon.gif)
However, the problem with that map is that the positions of the continents are not shown in the relative locations that they will be after the pole shift;  it is just a map of the current globe turned sideways and the new equator and poles drawn in.  Unfortunately, some of the tectonic plates will move so much that the total expansion in the Atlantic and corresponding compression in the Pacific and Indian Ocean is 5050 miles  (8126 kilometers), according to my calculations using the Zeta's data.  Here is my diagram of that situation:
(http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/attachment/download?id=3863141%3AUploadedFile%3A220124)

Here is how I calculated the values:
The Zeta's map shows the new equator passing through or close to the South Pole, and so, being a great circle, it must pass through or close to the North Pole also.  The map also shows the new equator passing the following locations.
1) Passing thru the Bering Straight and touching the eastern tip of the largest island there (Big Diomede).  The location there is 170 degrees west old longitude and 63 degrees north old latitude.
2) Grazing the northeast tip of South Island of New Zealand.  The location there is 174 degrees east old longitude and 41 degrees south old latitude.
3) Passing over the western tip of Africa, at a position that appears to be at 14, 15, or 16 degrees east old longitude.

So, on the Pacific side, the distances between the points in the Bering Straight and in New Zealand is 16 degrees longitude and 104 degrees latitude.  Then, simple interpolation puts the location where the new equator crosses the old equator at 180 degrees east/west old longitude.  Therefore, the new equator is approximately coincident to old longitude 180 degrees east/west, but it is tilted somewhat to the east in the old northern hemisphere and to the west in the old southern hemisphere.

On the Atlantic side, 180 degrees from 180 degrees east/west is 0 degrees east/west, which is 14 to 16 degrees west of the apparent position on the Zeta's map.  That discrepency could be related to  the tilt of the new equator relative to the longitude lines, and/or to the shifting of the continents that will occur -- see below.

The poles are always 90 degrees up and down from the equator, and since the new equator passes near to the old poles, the new poles should be near to the old equator.  The Zetas have specified the exact locations of the new poles.  This statement is from https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/17jy2010.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/17jy2010.htm) :
"Under our direction Nancy has ascertained via Google Earth that the new N Pole will be at the current lat/long of 5°S and 29°W and the new S Pole will be the current lat/long of 10°N and 78°E. These points are not on opposites of the globe from one another today. The Pacific compresses, the Atlantic widens, the S America Plate crunches through much of what is now the Caribbean Plate, and all this and more reform the globe somewhat so that geographical points are not relative to other geographical points as they are today. However, as a general guide to determine your new latitude, using these points and the map of the new geography and our statements on where the new Equator will ride should help you determine with more accuracy your new climate."

Thus, the new axis of the Earth (the diameter thru the poles) will be tilted by 5 to 10 degrees with respect to the old equator, and the alignment is slightly bent with respect to an old diameter line, perhaps by 10-5 = 5 degrees.

The circumference of the earth at the equator is 24901.55 miles (40075.16 kilometers)


OK then,  since we don't know which tectonic plates will move by how much, the best that we can do at the moment is just to estimate new latitudes on land masses by measuring from either where the new equator passes over or near to existing land, or from the positions of the new poles on or near to existing land; BUT only within the same tectonic plate as the starting point on the new equator or the new pole because most or all of the relative movements between continents will occur at the plate boundaries.

What we get from that method, by looking at the Zeta's map, is that the warm-to-hot regions of the Earth after the pole shift will be, in order of confidence:
1) Antarctica,
2) western Africa,
3) New Zealand,
4) Hawaii,
5) Alaska and perhaps some of western Canada,
6) eastern Siberia,
7) west coast  of South America (50 degrees south of the new north pole).

Measurements from the new south pole are not possible because of the drastic changes in positions of the tectonic plates that will occur in that region.
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Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on November 03, 2010, 03:05:48 PM
From my message of  November 1:  "More will come if the Zetas answer my questions -- which Nancy has refused to allow so far."

OK; the Zeta's emissary Nancy finally admitted that my analysis was correct.
From http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-november-6?id=3863141%3ATopic%3A220744&page=4#comments (http://poleshift.ning.com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-november-6?id=3863141%3ATopic%3A220744&page=4#comments) :
[start quote]
You are correct, James, that the New Geography map in the Pole Shift section does not show much in the way of the crunching of the Caribbean and Indonesia region, the shortening of the Indo-Australia Plate due to the plunge under the Himalyas, the compression of the Pacific or spread of the Atlantic. BUT the gentleman who drew the new geography on the old map DID try to take those factors into consideration.
https://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam332.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam332.htm)
For instance Step 14, post pole shift.
https://www.zetatalk.com/teams/poleshft/mikeg014.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/teams/poleshft/mikeg014.htm)

And I am looking forward to a NEW result that can be used here on the ning to show people where their current geography will be. Given that the Zetas have given the location, on the current globe, of the Lat/Long for the new poles, how about some of the graphically talented folks here drawing up a new globe???
[end quote]

Well, she did not say that she will request numerical data from the Zetas, so we will see if any comes forth.  In the meantime, this is what I had suggested to be done:  "With that data, someone having appropriate software that can represent the Earth as a three-dimensional object can then trace the plate boundaries, mark them as surface units, move them by the specified amounts to produce the modified object, and then generate maps with new latitude and longitude lines.  I suggest that Mollweide projection (elliptical equal area) with the new equator horizontal and centered vertically would be the most useful. (Two maps would be nice -- one with Central America in the vertical center line and the other with the new antipode of Central America in the vertical center line.)  Who could do that?"

Could any of our members here (PX Town Hall) help/do that?

Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: CINERUSS on December 03, 2010, 12:52:17 PM
In light of what may be coming on the earth, can anyone share where the safest place would be to be geographically speaking?  Is there a map of locations.  I know this is all based on what may be affecting the earth in the coming months / years but any help would be greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 03, 2010, 05:38:08 PM
OK, found these links, not sure if these are the same as what Jim has.

http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/determine-your-safe-locations

https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: CINERUSS on December 03, 2010, 06:15:59 PM
Hi Jim,

The users in this forum stated you knew of safe place to locate geographically.  Could you tell us where this is in the forum?  The Zeta site is thorough but practically every place you check, it is not safe.  There is no breakdown on their site about the safe areas.  Any suggestions?

Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 03, 2010, 06:27:29 PM
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Post by: noproblemo2 on December 03, 2010, 10:10:19 PM
Do you have high ground there, underground shelter areas? Those would be worth investigating for your community.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 03, 2010, 11:19:31 PM
On the higher ground you have perhaps there are some caves also for protection, You will need to ensure you provision the higher grounds as when things begin to escalate there may bot be enough time to do so.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on December 04, 2010, 02:29:21 PM
"The users in this forum stated you knew of safe place to locate geographically."
Well, yes and no.  No place will be free of severe earthquakes, at least, I understand.

The best places that I have identified so far, at least  for my preferences (which exclude Africa and Mongolia, for socio-politico reasons),  are:  Tasmania, Australia, around Mount Roland, SE Montana and adjoining counties in North Dakota and South Dakota, specifically in or adjoining Custer National Forest, and Porcupine Flats or thereabouts, which in the eastern foothills of the Rocky Mountains in Alberta, Canada.

Here is the summary of an analysis that I wrote in December of 2008.  I would do it somewhat differently now, but the results are still valid, I think.

[start quote]
...to establish ...survival shelters.  Criteria for camp locations include: 1) high inland plateau, 2) on a low hillside at least 6 feet above floodable plain but below the summit, 3) near a source of unpollutable water, 4) remote rural area, 5) not visible from any mapped road, 6) does not experience extreme weather, and 7) not within 200 miles of any known major geologic fault or caldera.

Three locations have been identified, one each in South Dakota USA, Alberta Canada, and Tasmania Australia.  The latter two are not strictly on large plateaus, however, so perhaps more suitable specific spots could be identified upon closer inspection of the terrain in those areas.

Candidate locations

Custer National Forest in north-west South Dakota is the best location in the USA that I have found so far.   The surrounding region includes parts of North Dakota and Montana also.  That area should be high enough to avoid the incursion of ocean water that is expected to flood the Mississippi and Midwest regions.

Alberta, Canada, should be less susceptible to earth perturbations and might therefore be safer.  Winters in Canada are very cold now, but the weather there will become warmer if the poles shift as predicted by ZetaTalk.  (Saskatoon is generally too low and flat, but some good spots might be found near the Cypress Hills in the southwest section.)  The specific location in Alberta is called Porcupine Flats.

Tasmania’s climate is classified as temperate maritime now, and “Tasmania can expect to be some 1,000 feet higher than present, though the polar melt will return that gain by almost 700 feet. The climate will change to be more tropical, lined up closer to the new equator, so vegetative growth on the island will eventually be more lush after some decades.”  The specific location there is called Mount Roland.

Summary of the analysis

Three factors were considered for each location, and the locations were ranked for each factor.  Those factors, in order of importance, are:  Tectonic, Isolation, and Temperature.  Unfortunately, the confidence of the ranking varies inversely to the importance; that is, the ranking for the most important factor is the least confident, and the ranking for the least important factor has the most confidence.  These are the results:
     Factor      Importance         Confidence             Ranking
   Tectonic           Highest                   Low                  (1) Tasmania   (2) Alberta   (3) South Dakota
   Isolation           Medium                   Moderate       (1) South Dakota   (2) Alberta   (3) Tasmania
   Temperature   Least                   High               (1) Tasmania   (2) South Dakota   (3) Alberta

To combine the rankings, the sum of three ranks for each location, is:
   (1) 5 for Tasmania,  (2) 6 for South Dakota, and  (3) 7 for Alberta.

To take importance into account, relative weights are assigned to factors as follows:
   0.5 for Tectonic, 0.3 for Isolation, and 0.2 for Temperature.
Then, each rank number is divided by the importance weight of the corresponding factor.  The results are:
   (1) 17 for Tasmania,  (2) 19 for South Dakota, and  (3) 26 for Alberta.

Conclusions:
The order of preference is  (1) Tasmania,  (2) South Dakota,  and (3) Alberta.
That ordering is close and of only moderate confidence.
[end quote]

The spacing in the table might be messed up in this copy.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Montanabarb on December 04, 2010, 04:03:42 PM
Jim, I assume that by concluding that southeast Montana is a safe area (as opposed the the rest of the State), you feel that the Yellowstone Caldera will not be a factor any time in the near future (next several hundred years.)  According to the recent National Geographic article, and accompanying map, during the last three eruptions by Yellowstone an area east of a line drawn from the Caldera northeast about five or six hundred miles to the vicinity of Sheridan County, Montana, and southern Saskatchewan, then southeast to Kansas, Nebraska and the Gulf of Mexico, was covered by many feet of volcanic ash.  In all three cases (eruptions) the area west/northwest of that line received little to no fallout due to prevailing winds.  There is a good deal of conjecture on whether or not Yellowstone is preparing for an eruption any time soon. But nearly everyone who knows anything about the Yellowstone Caldera feels that if it blows, we're toast anyway (here in Montana), simply from the impact of the explosion.

BTW, the Zetas seem to think that we Montanans who live near the Rocky Mountain Front should move farther inland at least temporarily, during the pole flip (because of the tectonic plates.)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on December 05, 2010, 02:53:42 AM
Hi Montanabarb.  ;You said  "Jim, I assume that by concluding that southeast Montana is a safe area (as opposed the the rest of the State), you feel that the Yellowstone Caldera will not be a factor any time in the near future (next several hundred years.) "

This from https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta52.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta52.htm) :

"We have indicated in the past that Yellowstone would not be exempt from erupting during the pole shift, and this still stands. But the eruption will not be what many fear. It has evidence of being a super volcano at a time when the world was in complete global turmoil, not due to a pole shifts but due to impacts and being careened out of its orbit and closer to the Sun. The injury to the crust so deep it almost reached the core. So clearly that was an exceptional situation, not this situation. What should be born in mind is that this is a subduction area, with layers of the North American Plate pushing all the way to the Continental Divide. Even though Yellowstone lies in an area which is a hot spot, there’s enough crust flakes overlapping that it is not just a direct siphon of lava to go kaboom in an explosion. But it will cause ash for some 100 miles in all direction, bad enough that life may be snuffed in those areas. So we would recommend anyone wanting to survive the shift itself, not to be close to Yellowstone but to allow a 100 miles buffer, more miles would be better."
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Ga_boy on December 05, 2010, 06:48:38 AM
My biggest issue would be...asteroids..comets and meteors from space. There is no telling how long we would be in a shooting gallery even after it has passed due to gravitational forces of our own and other bodies. Asteroids dont have to impact the earth to cause devastation, look what happened to norther Russia in the early 1900's , that one exploded in the air destroyed everything "The Tunguska event" destroyed trees and everything in a 830 sq mi area. The funny thing with history is it always repeats it self.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Bill on December 05, 2010, 07:27:26 AM
If Marduk returns to the original battle site.  The hammered bracelet, or asteroid belt. Certainly it will dislodge thousands of asteroids, these objects will be a danger for a very long time. A shelter that can withstand the pressure of an air burst nuke is highly recommended.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 05, 2010, 07:36:09 AM
This is from Amy Evans and relates to the astroid scenario.

"That Unacknowledged Asteroid
Imagine if you had spotted an asteroid or comet hurtling toward Earth. Or that you became aware of such via the Interweb. It would be very useful to calculate how the collision will affect you, where you are.

In case that unlikely scenario arises, here’s some software that promises to calculate the harm you face.
http://www.purdue.edu/impactearth/
Lest you be unsatisfied with a simulation of a massive rock barreling down on us, the Web site also provides data on the aftermath, including the size of the crater, the extent of the fireball, and even the height of the tsunami wave, should the object crash into the ocean."
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 05, 2010, 10:29:04 AM

This is from Amy Evans AND ALEX and relates to the astroid scenario.

"That Unacknowledged Asteroid
Imagine if you had spotted an asteroid or comet hurtling toward Earth. Or that you became aware of such via the Interweb. It would be very useful to calculate how the collision will affect you, where you are.

In case that unlikely scenario arises, here’s some software that promises to calculate the harm you face.
http://www.purdue.edu/impactearth/ (http://www.purdue.edu/impactearth/)
Lest you be unsatisfied with a simulation of a massive rock barreling down on us, the Web site also provides data on the aftermath, including the size of the crater, the extent of the fireball, and even the height of the tsunami wave, should the object crash into the ocean."
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Montanabarb on December 05, 2010, 11:01:46 AM
Hi Montanabarb.  ;You said  "Jim, I assume that by concluding that southeast Montana is a safe area (as opposed the the rest of the State), you feel that the Yellowstone Caldera will not be a factor any time in the near future (next several hundred years.) "

This from https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta52.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta52.htm) :

"We have indicated in the past that Yellowstone would not be exempt from erupting during the pole shift, and this still stands. But the eruption will not be what many fear. It has evidence of being a super volcano at a time when the world was in complete global turmoil, not due to a pole shifts but due to impacts and being careened out of its orbit and closer to the Sun. The injury to the crust so deep it almost reached the core. So clearly that was an exceptional situation, not this situation. What should be born in mind is that this is a subduction area, with layers of the North American Plate pushing all the way to the Continental Divide. Even though Yellowstone lies in an area which is a hot spot, there’s enough crust flakes overlapping that it is not just a direct siphon of lava to go kaboom in an explosion. But it will cause ash for some 100 miles in all direction, bad enough that life may be snuffed in those areas. So we would recommend anyone wanting to survive the shift itself, not to be close to Yellowstone but to allow a 100 miles buffer, more miles would be better."

Thanks for that, Jim.  Good information. We are about 120 miles north of the the northern edge of the Caldera, just beyond the line shown in the National Geographic.  This info makes complete sense, and somewhat eases my mind, although we live in a geothermal zone (several businesses have geothermal heat.) The area suffered a major earthquake in 1935 but we have no intention of relocating.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: 1969quartz0 on December 05, 2010, 02:19:19 PM
Jim what do you think about Billings Montana? My little brother lives there, he just moved into his house a week ago it is on a mountain he had to drill 390' to get water it is not really SE Montana.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on December 05, 2010, 03:24:29 PM
Hi Nathan,  you said "Jim what do you think about Billings Montana?"

Tectonic factor:  good, but a bit too close to Yellowstone, perhaps.  See "Seismicity of Montana 1990-2006 at http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/montana/seismicity.php (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/montana/seismicity.php).

Isolation factor:  not good in or near to the city, but perhaps OK with a hideout in the hills.  But, stay away from the main mountain range (see the seismicity map).

Temperature:  well, OK after the pole shift; what about warmth in winter?

Anyway, Billings MT should certainly be much better than most other cities, so I would not decline an offer to go there myself.

Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on March 23, 2011, 06:35:21 AM
I figure many of you know all about this. Sort of new to me.
Potentially dangerous Karst area - looks like the western half of Ohio.

- Yowbarb
...
https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=21.15
Re: Midwestern US Meetings
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2011, 02:10:20 PM
 
http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Portals/10/pdf/karstmap.pdf   pdf image of Karst in Ohio
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: augonit on March 23, 2011, 07:06:42 AM
Yeah, I grew up in Ohio and never heard about that karst stuff.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on March 23, 2011, 07:42:12 PM
Yeah, I grew up in Ohio and never heard about that karst stuff.

I had heard about it...geology in high school then one earth science class when I went back to college again...
I never thought about it in terms of a survival location...
Posted it because a person would have to be aware about karst topography and the fact something could cave in...There is a lot of it in Missouri too...
Will try to post something more complete.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on April 09, 2011, 04:21:46 PM
From the Zetas at https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/09ap2011.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/ning/09ap2011.htm) :
Here is another view of the position of the poles and the equator after the pole shift, except that "The exact position of the continents is not in complete accordance with their post poleshift alignment, however, but to detail these changes would be getting into the 8 of 10 scenarios prior to the time when we are ready to discuss these scenarios."  [my emphasis]

ihttps://www.zetatalk.com/newsletr/image018.jpg

This was in response to the question "Could you please ask the Zetas about the new map of the poles with the equator on about 10 degrees west and the new pole on 29 degrees west this would create a needed widening of the Atlantic by 70 degrees".  That almost agrees with my calculations, which produced a widening of 73 degrees on the old equator.  (My figure should be more accurate because I took more data into account in order to calculate the position of the intersection of the new and old equators in the Pacific.)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: bk on May 17, 2011, 11:57:15 PM
Jim, When you have a moment look at these address in google earth for me.

White Crest Way, Pickens, SC

Cherokee Hills Dr, pickens, SC

3156 Table Rock Rd, Pickens, SC 29671

If I am reading that correctly the elevation is over 1000 feet which is a lot higher than Myrtle Beach.

What kind of temps or how close to poles or equator would this area be?

From the looks of the maps I have seen this could be the new Beach front.

Thanks, Bob
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on May 18, 2011, 08:49:57 PM
Jim, When you have a moment look at these address in google earth for me.

White Crest Way, Pickens, SC

Cherokee Hills Dr, pickens, SC

3156 Table Rock Rd, Pickens, SC 29671

If I am reading that correctly the elevation is over 1000 feet which is a lot higher than Myrtle Beach.

What kind of temps or how close to poles or equator would this area be?

From the looks of the maps I have seen this could be the new Beach front.

Thanks, Bob


Well, bk Jim will have a more complete answer, just wanted to say Pickens SC is over 1,000 feet and is at least on the eastern side of  SC near the border.
Not sure yet about name of the rivers around there...
Currently not flooded,
http://weatherforyou.com/wxinfo/hw3/hw3.php?forecast=riversnearby&place=pickens+country+club&state=sc&zipcode=&country=us&county=45077&zone=SCZ005

Yowbarb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickens,_SC
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: bk on May 18, 2011, 11:36:20 PM
Only about 9 to 12 miles from these mountains as  the crow fly's about half of that.

Pinnacle Mountain

Elevation: 1040 m / 3415 ft

Sassafras Mountain

Elevation: 1085 m / 3560 ft

Within miles of parks and 60 miles from Smokey Mountains

Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on May 19, 2011, 09:55:47 AM

Hi BK,
"Jim, When you have a moment look at these address in google earth for me.
White Crest Way, Pickens, SC
Cherokee Hills Dr, pickens, SC
3156 Table Rock Rd, Pickens, SC 29671"

Unfortunately, I had to cancel my fast Internet access, do can't do Google Earth now.

But, some info about Pickens, SC:
Population 3,036.
Altitude 967 feet (sufficient by about 300 feet).
Not near to any Internet highways (nearest is at Greenville -- about 30 miles away)
Seismicity map of SC at http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/south_carolina/seismicity.php (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/south_carolina/seismicity.php)  shows only 3 small quakes in that general region of the state in 1993~2006 interval.
Hilly country with several low mountains nearby.
10 miles to lake Keowee.  Water should not be a problem.
New latitude after the pole shift should be about 45 degrees North.  ( As cold as Montana is now)

Generally, I like it, except for the temperature after the pole shift.

Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on May 19, 2011, 09:58:48 AM
wikipedia says Pickens is over one thousand feet...

Elevation
 
1,093 ft (333 m)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickens,_SC
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on May 19, 2011, 08:30:42 PM
Jim btw sorry if the data I posted is wrong wikipedia is my only source on that - over 1,000 ft for Pickens.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on May 19, 2011, 11:19:49 PM
Jim, Thanks for the info my main concern was the temp after the pole shift.
I would hate to wake up and find myself in the south pole.

Jim had posted some maps about that... where the new poles would be, etc.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on May 21, 2011, 07:35:16 AM
This from an e-mail that came to me today:

[start excerpts]
moving to a rural area won’t take away all of the problems associated with surviving short, medium, and long term breakdowns in civil order after a disaster. When you move from a populated area to a rural area, you simply exchange one set of challenges and problems for another set.

You’ll have people on both sides of the issue…one saying that farm life is too hard and another saying that city life is too complicated and fast paced…and they’re both right. Both populated and rural areas have benefits and drawbacks both in normal times and after disasters. You’ve just got to figure out what works best for your particular situation and go with it knowing that while there is a “best” solution for you, there’s not a “perfect” solution.

...
And, if you want help figuring out how to create a survival plan designed to take the reality of your current situation into account (instead of an ideal situation that may not be in place by the time disaster strikes), I want to encourage you to check out the Survive In Place Urban Survival Course at http://SurviveInPlace.com (http://SurviveInPlace.com) as well as http://UrbanSurvivalPlayingCards.com (http://UrbanSurvivalPlayingCards.com).
[end excerpts]
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: dougluvn on May 21, 2011, 10:58:17 AM

Planning for the event is important. That involves a plan for what you will do in the time right after the event  but you also need a plan for after the dust settles.  How will you feed yourself, that food you stock piled will only last so long you can't store enough.  You can't store enough water.  The longer your pile will last, the better but what is your "long term sustainability plan"  I am referring to farming, animal husbandry, clothing. 

So moving a way from the cities in the after time to a rural area is not a bad idea.  Think of this as a 2ND dark age in that we will travel the lands and see the tomb stones to the civilization that was.  Just as they did during the dark ages, people  looked upon the aquaducts the Romans build and wonder how they did it.  We (as a people) will have to relearn alto of things that people 100 years ago took at common knowledge.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on June 20, 2011, 07:16:57 PM
OK folks, let's all meet at Dinosaur National Monument.  We can squat there when the government collapses.

"Dinosaur National Monument is located in northwest Colorado and northeast Utah, straddling the border of these states. About two-thirds of the park is in Colorado. Dinosaur N.M. is 210,000 acres in size."

Dinosaur National Monument:
http://geology.about.com/od/geology_co/ig/COgallery/dinosaur-national-monument-CO.htm (http://geology.about.com/od/geology_co/ig/COgallery/dinosaur-national-monument-CO.htm)
"The Green River (upper and lower left) meets the Yampa River (right center) in deeply incised canyons in this remote federal parkland in northwestern Colorado."
(http://0.tqn.com/d/geology/1/7/8/h/1/dinosaur-national-monument-CO.jpg)

The headquarters is in the small town of Dinosaur, Colorado, on US Highway 40, a few miles south of the parkland border.
------
Dinosaur National Monument
4545 E Hwy. 40
Dinosaur, CO 81610
------
http://www.nps.gov/dino/index.htm (http://www.nps.gov/dino/index.htm)
Phone: 970-374-3000

The Canyon Area Visitor Center is located 2 miles east of Dinosaur town.

Here are some info and data about the region.  I'll post more as/if time permits.

*  Location: north-west corner of Colorado and north-east corner of Utah.
*  Isolated; sparse population; no Interstate highway nearby.
*  Inland basin of ancient lake, now at moderately high altitude (approximately 6000 feet).
*  At least two mountain ranges between there and the oceans, both east and west.
*  Terrain has hills, flat sections, and canyons.
*  Two rivers pass through (Green and Yampa).
*  Cool temperate climate now; arid. (Below see monthly average temperatures and rainfalls)
*  Latitude after the pole shift will be about 20 degrees.
*  No military bases nearby (200+ miles).
*  The small town of Dinosaur is south of Dinosaur Monument; population 304, elevation 5,922 feet.
*  Counties:  Uintah in Utah and Moffat in Colorado.
*  Uintah county population is 32,588.  Idustries: natural gas, tourism, livestock, forage.
*  Uintah county seat is Vernal; 34 miles from Dinosaur town; population 9,089, elevation 5,328 feet.
*  Moffat county population is 13,980. Industries: oil and  natural gas, livestock, tourism.
*  Moffat county seat is Craig;  141 miles from Dinosaur town; population is 9,251,  elevation is 6,198 feet.
*  Seismicity is slight.  Seismicity maps for 1990~2006:
(http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/utah/images/seismicity.gif)
(http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/colorado/images/seismicity.gif)

Now, notice that in the Mountain time zone, the southern states are in drought, while the northern states are flooded.   In between them, we find north-west Colorado.  Here is how the weather there has been recently:
-  At Dinosaur:  data after March 2011 is missing.  Rainfall for prior months was normal.
-  At Vernal:  continues to be normal, with normal variation.
-  At Craig: Usually about 1.0 to 1.8 inches of rainfall every month, varying slightly by season.  Was normal thru March 2011, then April and May each had 3.0 inches of rain.  Temperatures holding normal, approximately.
From the Dinosaur N.M. Internet site: "June 6, 2011 Update: Flooding on the Yampa River has required monument
staff to close the Deerlodge Park Campground until further notice. ... Dinosaur's rivers — the Green and the Yampa — are expected to reach record or near record levels in the Spring of 2011 due to the heavy snowpack and wet spring. Some areas within the watershed received over 150% of the average annual snowfall."

* Driving distance from Denver to Dinosaur town: 296 miles.  Route crosses over the Rocky mountains.
* Driving distance from Salt Lake City to Dinosaur town: 205 miles.  Route crosses over Wasatch mountains.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on July 09, 2011, 09:37:46 PM
A brief extract from the "Shape of Things to Come" report by Clif High of the Web Bot site, dated 7/1/2011 and named DataAnalysis21.pdf (copyrighted).

"Two new phenomena, the really really big sinkhole, and the sudden new lakes, caused by new ground water that has to go somewhere.  [(new) inland sea)] involving parts of Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Colorado.  the [weeping mountains] aspect/attribute set that now is gaining such huge levels of support within the Terra entity. "

Now, this opens up some more candidate locations and puts some constraints on others.

1)  Regarding SE Montana and adjoining counties in North Dakota and South Dakota: be sure to be in the hills, high above the creek bed, and not on a downslope.

2)  Regarding NW Colorado (Dinosaur National Monument): shift to the Uintah Mountains in Utah.  Move to Vernal, Utah (population 8339, elevaion 5322 feet), and reconnoiter from there.

3)  Relocate to the La Sal mountains in Utah. That region is very isolated and nearly unihabitable, but it should become a series of islands in the inland sea.  Move to La Sal, Utah (population 340, elevation 7025 feet), or 18 miles to the NW to Moab, Utah (population 5148, elevation 4025 feet),  and reconnoiter from there.  My parents lived in Moab for a few years after retirement, and they liked it.

4)  Regarding Durango, Colorado:  be sure to be high above the bed of the river that runs through the town, and not on a downslope.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on July 10, 2011, 07:58:35 AM
Here is a copy of a relevant message that was posted in another topic:

"where do you recommend? "

A)  Worldwide:  Tasmania, Australia, above 700 feet elevation.
B)  USA,  for isolation and relative safety from earth changes:
B1)  SE Montana and adjoining counties in North Dakota and South Dakota; in the hills at a creek or shallow well; at least 30 feet above valley floor.
       Disadvantages:  cold winter before the pole shift (warm afterwards); maybe too isolated for most people.
B2)  NW Colorado.  See https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=1118.msg34443;topicseen#msg34443.
       Disadvantages:  cold winter and arid climate before the pole shift (nice afterwards); the Green River will flood immensely when the Flaming Gorge dam breaks upstream.
B3)  Durango, Colorado, at least 30 feet above the bank of the river that runs through the town.
      Disadvantages:  not so isolated (military underground bases not far away); somewhat too high elevation (6500 feet).

Would a detailed evaluation and comparison of these and other candidate sites be useful?  (I am not volunteering to do the whole job.)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: terrypat on July 19, 2011, 07:31:25 PM
I just clicked on the Dinosaur Monument website & funny thing. The bones exhibit is closed for remodeling until October 2011 . Hmmmm .... Sure is a whole bunch of museum remodeling going on planet wide. The Vatican Library, The EPA library, Dinosaur Park ....
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on July 28, 2011, 07:31:18 PM
From https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=2407.msg38157#msg38157 (https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=2407.msg38157#msg38157) :
"I also would like to know of where to head for a safe zone."

See recent messages in this topic.

Do you have to live in a town?
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Plantman40 on July 29, 2011, 10:43:05 AM
Now, I'm thinking North Dakota or South Dakota. Any feedback will be appreciated. It's coming down to the wire and I'm still guessing.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on July 29, 2011, 11:06:26 AM
I'm thinking North Dakota or South Dakota. Any feedback will be appreciated.

That would be my first choice for isolation and distance from volcanoes and water bodies.  Only slight seismicity. and none in the corners nearest to Montana.  Squat in the Custer National Forest. or lease a property in the hills.

 How about this one?
(http://photos3.zillow.com/is/image/i0/i5/i6366/IS1hfhr2232fqn7.jpg?op_sharpen=1&qlt=90&hei=234&wid=316)
For Sale:$5,000. 
Description
200 ACRES - EKALAKA 200 ac divided into 23 parcels from 5 ac to 19 ac. Custer National Forest in full view. Paved landing strip 8 mi away. Poss homesites. Great hunting & scenery in sparsely populated Big Sky Country. $5,000 per ac Realtor owned
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on July 29, 2011, 12:22:06 PM
I'm thinking North Dakota or South Dakota. Any feedback will be appreciated.

That would be my first choice for isolation and distance from volcanoes and water bodies.  Only slight seismicity. and none in the corners nearest to Montana.  Squat in the Custer National Forest. or lease a property in the hills.

 How about this one?
(http://photos3.zillow.com/is/image/i0/i5/i6366/IS1hfhr2232fqn7.jpg?op_sharpen=1&qlt=90&hei=234&wid=316)
For Sale:$5,000. 
Description
200 ACRES - EKALAKA 200 ac divided into 23 parcels from 5 ac to 19 ac. Custer National Forest in full view. Paved landing strip 8 mi away. Poss homesites. Great hunting & scenery in sparsely populated Big Sky Country. $5,000 per ac Realtor owned

Wow Jim if that is far enough away from Yellowstone that might be an  idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekalaka,_Montana  EKALAKA, MT

Elevation    3,425 ft (1,044 m)

Thank you for sharing this idea and this ad,
YB
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Montanabarb on July 29, 2011, 02:05:58 PM
Now, I'm thinking North Dakota or South Dakota. Any feedback will be appreciated. It's coming down to the wire and I'm still guessing.

Plantman, I live in north central Montana (in MT all my life.) I hadn't visited the southeastern part of MT for a long time, but in May we drove to Kansas for a graduation, through Ekalaka, MT,  Rapid City, SD, and northern Nebraska.  The most beautiful and seemingly appropriate place for survival that we saw was the Black Hills region of northwestern South Dakota.  It's unbelievably rugged-- and therefore easy to fortify. We saw lots of properties for sale but didn't investigate.  Just south of the Black Hills (contiguous) are the Wind Cave and Jewel Cave National parks (or Monuments or whatever.)  These are huge, extensive caverns managed by the National Park Service.  There are hundreds of thousands of acres of National Forest (publicly owned) lands in the whole three state ( ND, SD, MT) region.

The other place in the south central area of Montana (100 miles or so as the crow flies from the Black Hills) that I find the most beautiful and inviting are the Judith Mountains in Central Montana, east of Lewistown.  It is a pristine jewel of an area, occupied by big ranches, a few smaller homesites, and not many people.  If you have watched "Last American Cowboy" on the Discovery Channel, one of the featured ranches is in that area--Stanford.  (Another ranch in the series is just west of where we live.)

I wish you all the best in your search.

Barb Richard (MT Barb)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on July 29, 2011, 06:08:24 PM
"Wow Jim if that is far enough away from Yellowstone that might be an  idea. "

Yes it is.  The Zetas say that Yellowstone will flow, not blow, so 100 miles distance should suffice.  See https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta52.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta52.htm) .
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Plantman40 on July 30, 2011, 07:33:45 AM
Barb, Thank you for the information. I question yellowstone but there are so many questions. I know I'm not the only one.
            Take care.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Plantman40 on July 30, 2011, 07:37:49 AM
I'm thinking North Dakota or South Dakota. Any feedback will be appreciated.

That would be my first choice for isolation and distance from volcanoes and water bodies.  Only slight seismicity. and none in the corners nearest to Montana.  Squat in the Custer National Forest. or lease a property in the hills.

 How about this one?
(http://photos3.zillow.com/is/image/i0/i5/i6366/IS1hfhr2232fqn7.jpg?op_sharpen=1&qlt=90&hei=234&wid=316)
For Sale:$5,000. 
Description
200 ACRES - EKALAKA 200 ac divided into 23 parcels from 5 ac to 19 ac. Custer National Forest in full view. Paved landing strip 8 mi away. Poss homesites. Great hunting & scenery in sparsely populated Big Sky Country. $5,000 per ac Realtor owned

Wow Jim if that is far enough away from Yellowstone that might be an  idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekalaka,_Montana  EKALAKA, MT

Elevation    3,425 ft (1,044 m)

Thank you for sharing this idea and this ad,
YB
Thank you Jim.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Montanabarb on July 30, 2011, 07:48:19 AM
"Wow Jim if that is far enough away from Yellowstone that might be an  idea. "

Yes it is.  The Zetas say that Yellowstone will flow, not blow, so 100 miles distance should suffice.  See https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta52.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta52.htm) .

Dutchsinse has stated in passing that he also does not believe Yellowstone will blow (no reason given why he feels that way.) Right now I'd be more worried about the supervolcano in Southern California (just a few miles north of the new steam vents. Called Mono or something.)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: noproblemo2 on July 30, 2011, 08:30:47 AM
"Wow Jim if that is far enough away from Yellowstone that might be an  idea. "

Yes it is.  The Zetas say that Yellowstone will flow, not blow, so 100 miles distance should suffice.  See https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta52.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta52.htm) .

Dutchsinse has stated in passing that he also does not believe Yellowstone will blow (no reason given why he feels that way.) Right now I'd be more worried about the supervolcano in Southern California (just a few miles north of the new steam vents. Called Mono or something.)
The CA one I am concerned with considering on the show Tuesday he predicted an 8.0 or higher  for the area in 30-60 days !!!
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: augonit on July 30, 2011, 01:11:15 PM
Didn't know about a supervolcano in Southern CA.  How many more super volcanoes do we have in the US, (besides Yellowstone)?
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Montanabarb on July 30, 2011, 01:24:57 PM
Didn't know about a supervolcano in Southern CA.  How many more super volcanoes do we have in the US, (besides Yellowstone)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Valley_caldera

This is very near where the steam vents are appearing. I don't know how many others there might be in the US.  Crater Lake and Lake Tahoe are probably in there somewhere.
 
MJoy mentioned living near one in northern Germany.
 
OOPS! My bad! Update:  Long Valley is not "very near" where the steam vents are appearing.  It's over 200 miles.  However, considering the caldera's size and history, it's still too close for comfort (Says she, who lives 100 miles from Yellowstone. ::) :D

Update 2:  Here I am again! I need to keep my map handy. I was right the first time. Of the six plumes Dutch reported, only three were as far as 200 miles from Mono Lake/Long Valley Caldera.  The fifth one was directly adjacent to the caldera and the other two were close, in Nevada.  It's a bit scary that these vents are located up to two hundred miles apart, and as frequent as six in one day! If you look at the map of the caldera (in Wikipedia) it makes Yellowstone look small.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: augonit on July 30, 2011, 05:24:37 PM
I think I had a triple number heat index in my house yesterday since the A/C went ca-put.  It was 86 in my house at one point, and I didn't check after that.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on July 31, 2011, 07:33:21 PM
Here is another recommendation:
Relocate to the La Sal mountains in Utah. That region is very isolated and sparsely inhabited.  It should become a series of islands if the inland sea comes down from the North or up from the South.  Move to La Sal, Utah (population 340, elevation 7025 feet), or 18 miles to the NW to Moab, Utah (population 5148, elevation 4025 feet), and reconnoiter from there.  My parents lived in Moab for a few years after retirement, and they liked it.

From  http://cpluhna.nau.edu/Places/lasalmts.htm (http://cpluhna.nau.edu/Places/lasalmts.htm)  on 10/jul/11 
[start extract]
La Sal Mountains, Utah
(http://cpluhna.nau.edu/images/lasalmtns_sm.jpg)
Mt. Peale and Mt. Mellenthin tower above Geyser basin. Photo © 1977 Ray Wheeler.

The La Sal Mountains are located on the eastern border of Utah, about 15 miles east of Moab [map]. Rising over 7000 feet above the surrounding redrock canyons and mesas, the La Sals include the highest peak on the Colorado Plateau, 12,721 foot Mt. Peale, and several other lower but prominent peaks. The range occupies a relatively small area, running just 15 miles north to south and 6 miles across. The La Sals are administered by the U.S.D.A. as the Manti-Lasal National Forest.

The La Sals are composed of granitic rock, uncommon on the Colorado Plateau. The range is a classic laccolith poking up above the surrounding thick sequences of ancient sedimentary rocks. Biotic communities in the mountains range from widely scattered stands of ponderosa pine, up through quaking aspen forests and subalpine grasslands, into spruce and fir forests (as in photo above), and finally alpine tundra. The range is one of only three areas on the Colorado Plateau where one can see alpine tundra communities.

The Manti-Lasal is the largest coal producing National Forest in the nation as well as a source of timber products, other minerals, oil and gas as well as non-commercial products like Christmas trees, posts and poles, firewood, seeds, and edible plants.

Livestock grazing occurs throughout much of the La Sal high country. The range's rich grass-forb meadows serve as forage for cattle during the summer months. In recent years many of the forest's Engelmann spruce stands have suffered severe spruce beetle infestation and damage. Intensive off-road vehicle use has also created management problems for the forest.
[end extract]
Note:  "laccolith": (n.) A mass of igneous rock intruded between layers of sedimentary rock, resulting in uplift.

From  http://www.adventuredrop.com/4532_Manti-La-Sal-National-Forest.html (http://www.adventuredrop.com/4532_Manti-La-Sal-National-Forest.html)  on 10/jul/11:

[start extract]
About Manti-La Sal National Forest:

The 1,413,111-acre Manti-La Sal National Forest is located in southeastern Utah. It is managed for multiple uses such as range, timber, minerals, water, wildlife, and recreation. The Forest is divided into three land areas: the Manti Division, the La Sal Division at Moab, and the La Sal Division at Monticello.

The Manti Division is part of the remnant Wasatch Plateau (5,000 to 10,000 foot elevation) exhibiting high elevation lakes, diverse vegetation, near vertical escarpments, and areas of scenic and geologic interest.

On the La Sal Division-Moab, mountain peaks (12,000 foot elevation), canyons, and forest add climatic and scenic contrast to the hot red-rock landscape of Arches (5,000 foot elevation) and Canyonlands National Parks.

The La Sal Division-Monticello offers timbered slopes to provide a welcome middle ground and background contrast to the sand and heat of Canyonlands National Park, Natural Bridges National Monument, and the surrounding desert. Pictographs, petroglyphs, and stone dwellings are evidence of past civilizations.

Private and state lands exist within the Forest boundaries and may be closed to public use. Please refer to maps and information on land ownership, which may be obtained from the Ranger District offices.

HISTORY

The mountain and desert landscapes of the Manti-La Sal National Forest hold secrets of people who came before us. For nearly 10,000 years, the Forest was home to native cultures--people who archaeologists call Paleo-Indians, Desert Archaic, Fremont, and Anasazi. Paleo-Indians and Desert Archaic people were semi-nomadic hunters and gatherers living on wild foods. About 1,500 years ago, prehistoric farmers settled in the lower elevations of the Forest. They grew corn, beans and squash and left rock art on the cliffs and food stored in small granaries built into the cliff walls.

Throughout the Forest are homesteads built by Mormon settlers, remains of cattle and sheep ranching, mining activity, and trails developed for the extraction of gold, silver, radium, uranium.

Prehistoric and historic artifacts collected from sites in the Forest can be seen in outstanding displays located in various communities and on the Forest.

* Edge of Cedars Museum and State Park in Blanding
* College of Eastern Utah Prehistoric Museum in Price
* The Great Basin Environmental Education Center on the Ephraim Canyon Road Forest Highway 8
* Stuart Guard Station on State Road 31
* Several historic sites can also be visited along the Huntington and Eccles Canyons National Scenic Byway State Roads 31 and 264
[end extract]

Descriptions and pictures of eight lakes in the La Sal mountains are provided at http://www.discovermoab.com/fishing.htm (http://www.discovermoab.com/fishing.htm)


From http://www.go-utah.com/La-Sal-Mountains/ (http://www.go-utah.com/La-Sal-Mountains/)  on 10/jul/11:

[start extract]
The La Sal Mountains are Utah's second highest mountain range. They rise impressively above the red rock canyon country of southeastern Utah. The range contains 6 peaks that rise above 12,000 feet, the tallest being Mount Peale at 12,721 feet. Covered with thick aspen and fir forests and dotted with mountain lakes, the La Sals are a cool oasis within the often difficult environment of the surrounding desert.

Numerous trails in the La Sals provide good hiking, biking and horseback riding routes from late spring to mid-autumn. In winter, the same trails are put to use by cross-country skiers and snowmobilers. The beauty of the La Sals can also be enjoyed by simply driving the La Sal Mountain Scenic Route.

The La Sal Mountains are located on the eastern border of Utah, about 15 miles east of Moab. They occupy a relatively small area, running just 15 miles north to south and 6 miles across. They are most easily accessed from the west on the La Sal Mountain Loop Road that begins south of Moab.
[end extract]


From http://www.atvtrails.org/Lasal.html (http://www.atvtrails.org/Lasal.html)  on 10/jul/11 :
"The mountains receive much more precipitation than the lower elevations and as a result you are likely to see many range animals grazing"
"The La Sal Mountains are vastly different from what most people think of when they think of the Moab area"
The site has several photos of the mountains.

History of La Sal mountains:
http://www.onlineutah.com/lasalmountainshistory.shtml (http://www.onlineutah.com/lasalmountainshistory.shtml)

A gallery of photos is at
http://www.summitpost.org/la-sal-mountains/images/p-190208 (http://www.summitpost.org/la-sal-mountains/images/p-190208)

Some nice photos:
(http://www.summitpost.org/images/medium/50222.jpg)
(http://www.summitpost.org/images/medium/46407.jpg)
(http://www.summitpost.org/images/medium/681693.jpg)

(More information coming later)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on August 01, 2011, 06:57:54 PM
Further information about the La Sal mountains in Utah.

Monthly average rainfall and average daily maximum and minimum temperatures at La Sal, Utah, are displayed at:
http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/84530 (http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/84530)
Lowest Maximum temperature: 37 degF (January).  Highest maximum temperature: 87 degF (July).
Rainfall: annual average is 13.34 inches; some every month; least is 0.68 in June; most is 1.92 in October. ,
See also http://www.city-data.com/city/La-Sal-Utah.html (http://www.city-data.com/city/La-Sal-Utah.html) for graphs of humidity, snowfall, sunshine, wind speed, and cloudy days.

Current weather at La Sal, Utah, is displayed at:
http://www.wunderground.com/US/UT/La_Sal.html (http://www.wunderground.com/US/UT/La_Sal.html)

From http://utahavalanchecenter.org/clone_la_sal_summary_snow_weather_and_avalanches (http://utahavalanchecenter.org/clone_la_sal_summary_snow_weather_and_avalanches)
[start excerpt]
La Sal Summary - Snow, Weather and Avalanches
 
The La Sal Avalanche Center based out of Moab, Utah has been operating since 1988 providing avalanche and mountain weather bulletins for SE Utah.  The LSAC forecasts for the La Sal Mountains SE of Moab and also the Abajo (also known as the Blue) Mountains about an hour south of Moab near the town of Monticello. The La Sal Mountains are the second highest mountain range in the state of Utah with more than 10 named peaks exceeding 12,000 feet. Both the Abajo and La Sal Mountains rise several thousand feet above the Colorado Plateau forming "Island Ranges" that are exposed severe storms and winds from all directions of the compass.
 
Temperatures are cold during SE Utah winters with alpine desert conditions and low relative humidity. For these reasons the La Sal and Abajo Mountains are classic continental peaks. Strong temperature gradients, typically lead to the development of a weak "Colorado Snowpack".  Large climax avalanches are the norm for at least one cycle each winter.  The 2010-2011 winter was no exception.
[end excerpt]

From http://www.go-utah.com/La-Sal-Mountains/Weather/ (http://www.go-utah.com/La-Sal-Mountains/Weather/) :
"The La Sals are normally snowed in from November to April. Trails and roads are usually dry by June. Summer temperatures are pleasant during the day but frequently near freezing at night. Early summer brings wildflowers and autumn fantastic colors."

Elevations, sizes and locations of lakes in the La Sal mountains:
Ken's Lake   5,050 feet   82 acres   Coordinates: 38°28’54.16”N  109°25’47.70”W
Hidden Lake  8,400 feet    3 acres   Coordinates: 38°34’33”N  109°11’15”W
Oowah Lake   8,800 feet    4 acres   Coordinates: 38°32’00.93”N  109°19’23.17”W
Don's Lake   8,800 feet    3 acres   Coordinates: 38°33’44”N  109°11’15”W
Warner Lake  9,200 feet    5 acres   Coordinates: 38°30’53.02”N  109°16’46.57”W 
Dark Canyon Lake  10,000 feet  5 acres   Coordinates: 38°27’23.02”N  109°11’47.8”W
Medicine Lake   10,000 feet   2 acres   Coordinates: 38°24’55.4”N  109°14’52.9”W
Blue Lake   10,100 feet    4 acres   Coordinates: 38°28’20.9”N  109°12’21.0”W

Current weather at Warner Lake, Utah, is displayed at:
http://www.findlocalweather.com/pinpoint/us/ut/warner+lake/current483129.html (http://www.findlocalweather.com/pinpoint/us/ut/warner+lake/current483129.html)
I could not find monthly averages for Warner Lake.

A good topo/terrain map is at http://www.trails.com/topomap.aspx?trailid=HGS385-041 (http://www.trails.com/topomap.aspx?trailid=HGS385-041)

From https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=1102.msg37349#msg37349  on 19/july/2011:
[start quote]
For those folks on a tight budget. Here's another avenue to pursue. I don't know the laws in the other surrounding states but here's how we do it in Az.

I go to the BLM office here in Kingman Az. (This can be done online as well) Fill out the "Location Notice for Lode Mining Claim" 2 pgs. paperwork. 2nd page is a map to fill out.

Than I take this paperwork to the county recorders office & along with $16 (not a misprint) I claim 20 ac of land for the purpose of "exploration" .... You now have the right to reside on this land so long as you can provide evidence of your work. This work needs to show you have spent $150 a year on the exploration. 1 tank of gas in a 4X4 should cover this requirement. WHA - LA... wave the magic wand & POOOF survival land for the cost of a round of beers at the 19th hole !!!! Hope this helps my good folks!!!
[end quote]
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Tamieok on August 05, 2011, 09:47:54 AM
Hello Folks,

I am a former Moab resident.  Grew up there and spent just about every vacation there afterwards, have been all over those Mnts  The La Sals are beautiful with abundant natural resources and wildlife.  Gets lots of snow in the winter but after the shift who knows.  The lakes are small and stocked with fish by the fish & game people, alot of them can only be reached via 4x4 or hiking.  Ken's lake is actually in Spanish Valley about 8 mi south of Moab and it is a reservoir, created from Mill Creek that runs out of the LaSals.  The Mnts are all 14-teeners, Moabs' elevation is about 4500'.  Pardox Valley Colo is on the south side of the range and that valley is gorgeous, very green and has a good water supply, on from Paradox is Uray and Teluride. We are currently in NW AZ and thought about going home to Moab, but the economy there is not condusive to keeping us supported, we may be rethinking our bug out locale.  I'll keep an eye on this board and will help as much as I can, have relatives in Moab and only 6 hrs away so is easy to visit if need be.  Let me know how I can help, maybe it's time to go home!

Good luck to all,

Leah & Tamie
Sedona,  AZ
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on August 05, 2011, 02:21:26 PM
Barb, Thank you for the information. I question yellowstone but there are so many questions. I know I'm not the only one.
            Take care.

Hello again. Yes it is difficult to know exactly what will happen. To me it is reassuring when Jim says that area is far enough away.
Best O' Luck
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on August 05, 2011, 04:08:07 PM
Hi Tamieok,

Thanks for the personal report about the La Sal mountains,  You said "The La Sals are beautiful with abundant natural resources and wildlife.  Gets lots of snow in the winter but after the shift who knows."

I expect a good climate there after the pole shift.  Latitude will be about 20 degrees North.
See https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=1425.msg16889#msg16889 (https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=1425.msg16889#msg16889)
The Zetas say that the Mexican state of Chihuahua will become lush (https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx272.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx272.htm)).  Unfortunately, they do not comment on the climate after the pole shift in the US states, at least for those that I have checked.  But the prevailing winds will be coming from Canada, which will be towards the new West, and bring moisture from the flooded area there.  (As I understand the situation so far -- my confidence is only moderate.)

Now, have you visited the section of the Manti-La Sal National Forest that is east of Monticello in the Abajo Mountains?  If so, how does it look?

Do you have any leads to available properties around  there in the mountains?

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Tamieok on August 05, 2011, 10:39:17 PM
The Mnts you call the Abajo we call the Blues and I don't know anything about them, apparently I was not overly impressed with them or I'd have checked them out.  My sister lived in Moab for quite a while too and has no knowledge of them either. Monticello and Blanding are small towns in that area and my recolection of them was not overly impressive, small Mormon towns with closed attitudes.  Might I suggest that you check out Paradox, Nucla or Natarita, all just east of the LaSal Mnts on the Colorado side.  Real Estate is bound to be cheaper and all are lovely little towns without the Mormon influence.  If you're Mormon I apologize......Great fishing there as well, lakes streams and a large reservoir called Merimonte, BIG fish!  Real Estate prices in Moab and Wilson Mesa are high, it's a tourist town.  Not much real estate in the LaSals, Wilson Mesa is off the Loop Rd on the way up and there are ranches up there, prices are probably high.  The little town of LaSal is 22 miles south of Moab on Hwy 163, more a wide spot than a town but they recently opened a copper mine there so you may be able to find housing now.  There is a guy located in LaSal that has a company that provides survival food and housing, has a big website.  You should be able to google Lasal & survival and find him.  He might be more helpful to you than I about the current conditions in the surrounding area.  If you get the chance you should go and check the area out, there's alot to see and do there.   FYI, the dinasaurs died in DNM for a reason, the area is desolate & hot.  I've been to both Vernal & Craig and think you'd be happier farther south.  If you decide to check out the Sedona, AZ area let me know.
Good Luck
Leah 
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: terrypat on August 05, 2011, 11:47:27 PM
A "BIG" concern for me is the oncoming ice age. I'm not real fond of shoveling snow 8 months out of a year. I like the GoldyLocks zone of northern Az. Not to hot, not to cold. If you research land prices in & around north eastern Mohave county, near Peach Springs, Az. You'll see land prices well under $1000 / ac. Possibly tax lien sales & private owner carry sales as well. Loads of Juniper forest land with rolling hills & well depths at 700' . Altitude is 4000' & up. As stated in Hopi prophecy this is where the heart of the planet is. Just south of the Colorado River. Good luck finding your corner of the world ....
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on August 06, 2011, 08:59:48 AM
Hi again Tanieok,

You said " FYI, the dinasaurs died in DNM for a reason, the area is desolate & hot.  I've been to both Vernal & Craig and think you'd be happier farther south."

To clarify for other readers:  DMN is Dinosaur National Monument in NW Colorado and NE Utah.  The nearest towns are Vernal in Utah and Craig in Colorado.  I recommended that place a few weeks ago, but now I would prefer the La Sal mountains in Utah; it is more isolated, has less seismicity, has more water, is forested,  has wildlife, and is close to lower elevations should the need to adjust quickly arise.

The Dinos there died millions of years ago when the climate was different.  From http://www.usparkinfo.com/dinosaur.html (http://www.usparkinfo.com/dinosaur.html): "Why are there so many bones in one place? The rock around them is made up of sand and gravel, just like the sand and gravel you might see along a large river. Such a river flowed through this area 150 million of years ago, and many dinosaurs lived near it. Now and then some of them died near the river. During rainy seasons, the river overflowed its banks--just as many rivers do now--and picked up some of the dead dinosaurs lying nearby. A few of those bodies were whole, but many had probably decayed or been eaten by other animals, so that just the bones were left. The bones and bodies were carried by the river and deposited in the main channel. The current buried them with sand and gravel. The place that is now the Quarry was at one time a river channel."
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on August 06, 2011, 07:53:33 PM
The Dinosaur comment was made in jest..
Ahhh ...  sorry.  I wondered ...

Now, you said "There is a guy located in LaSal that has a company that provides survival food and housing, has a big website. "

This must be the one,  at http://www.alpinesurvival.com/ (http://www.alpinesurvival.com/)
From  http://www.alpinesurvival.com/Alpine-Group-and-Associates.html (http://www.alpinesurvival.com/Alpine-Group-and-Associates.html)
[start excerpt]
Alpine Group & Associates, LLC
LaSal Mountain Utah Ranches
PO Box 161, LaSal, UT 84530
Call - 435.686.2263

Ready Reserve Foods Emergency Survival supplies  Your Christian Family company where Personal Security and Freedom remain firmly based in our legendary heritage. And that heritage is dedicated to serving the most demanding needs anywhere on earth. Ranging from a rugged family outing, to Mt. Everest and Antarctica expeditions, to trans-Oceanic yacht races, to helping you family determine your needs for emergency disaster recovery supplies.
        We are also an industry leader in emergency survival preparedness for natural disasters like hurricane, earthquake, flood, tornado, drought, economic collapse, Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks, nuclear, biological, and chemical warfare representing and providing American Made Products as much as possible.

Ready Reserve Foods Emergency Survival supplies  We offer quality nutrition in a wide variety of exciting Freeze-Dried and Dehydrated Foods. Our reputation for nutrition is surpassed only by our distinction for outstanding taste. Our Foods products are world renowned for their superior quality, high nutrition, and traditional great taste.

We also offer Kohler Generators, RV Solar and Wind Power, Gasmasks, NBC gear, Natural Disaster and Nuclear Bomb Shelters, Medical Kits, Tactical Military and Police Equipment, Bullet Proof Personal Critical Emergency Survival Supplies. Sunshine Silver Eagles Silver bullion.

Ready Reserve Foods Emergency Survival supplies  Alpine Group strongly believes that Martial Law must be implemented eventually, where needed, because of the increase in terrorist threats, a startling increase in diseases, natural disasters, volcano activity, ice storms crippling America's ability to provide and deliver emergency supplies ranging from medicine to food.
        We have OPEC uncertainties, a critically unstable stock market, increasing U.S. currency devaluation, inflation, employment uncertainties, and the increasing probability of bank failures sending a loud signal that we have already entered into an exponential state of national disaster.   Get prepared - So Get Prepared!
[end excerpt]

I reckon this should interest many of our Town Hall members.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on August 06, 2011, 09:05:19 PM
Hi again Tamieok,
Quote
Might I suggest that you check out Paradox, Nucla or Natarita, all just east of the LaSal Mnts on the Colorado side.

I see Nucla and Natarita on the map, but not Paradox -- yet the name is familiar, but it is not in the list of towns in Colorado in the Road Atlas that I have.  Wikipedia has it: "Paradox is an unincorporated town and a U.S. Post Office located in Montrose County, Colorado, United States. The Paradox Post Office has the ZIP Code 81429. ...
Paradox is located in Paradox Valley at 38°22′06″N 108°57′45″W (38.368310,-108.962574)."

On my Road Atlas map, I see that the town of Bedrock, Colorado, is the nearest to La Sal, Utah.  Bedrock is on the Dolores River, which I have looked at before.

I'll keep investigating.  Paradox sounds good so far.

I found the address of the copper mine near to La Sal.  No Internet site is given.
Lisbon Valley Mining Co LLC
920 S County Road # 313
La Sal, UT 84530
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Tamieok on August 06, 2011, 09:48:22 PM
Hi Jim,
You're right, Paradox is the valley,we just refer to the area as Paradox.  When last I was in the area Bedrock consisted of a general store, circa 1850's, great place!  I hope you can take the time to visit the area, I'm sure you'll find it to be a lovely location with great possibilities!

Have a good evening.
Leah
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on August 10, 2011, 10:06:47 PM
A "BIG" concern for me is the oncoming ice age. I'm not real fond of shoveling snow 8 months out of a year. I like the Goldy Locks zone of northern Az. Not to hot, not to cold. If you research land prices in & around north eastern Mohave county, near Peach Springs, Az. You'll see land prices well under $1000 / ac. Possibly tax lien sales & private owner carry sales as well. Loads of Juniper forest land with rolling hills & well depths at 700' . Altitude is 4000' & up. As stated in Hopi prophecy this is where the heart of the planet is. Just south of the Colorado River. Good luck finding your corner of the world ....

Wow! Thanks for your post,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on August 10, 2011, 11:01:13 PM
A "BIG" concern for me is the oncoming ice age. I'm not real fond of shoveling snow 8 months out of a year. I like the GoldyLocks zone of northern Az. Not to hot, not to cold. If you research land prices in & around north eastern Mohave county, near Peach Springs, Az. You'll see land prices well under $1000 / ac. Possibly tax lien sales & private owner carry sales as well. Loads of Juniper forest land with rolling hills & well depths at 700' . Altitude is 4000' & up. As stated in Hopi prophecy this is where the heart of the planet is. Just south of the Colorado River. Good luck finding your corner of the world ....

I did a Yahoo driving directions and found Peach Springs is approximately ENE of Flagstaff AZ by about an hour and 45 minutes. 
I assume by Goldilocks, you mean habitable zone...
 :)
Yowbarb

Goldilocks zone  (habitable zone)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitable_zone
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: terrypat on August 11, 2011, 09:14:09 AM
Peach Springs Az is ENE of Kingman Az.

Moenkopi Az (HopiLand) is ENE of Flagstaff

Hope this helps.

Sidenote : If you want a crystal clear sky view of the area down to some fine details go to weather dot com & type in Peach Springs Az or Moenkopi Az on weather's map page & then click on satellite from road view. The picture is better closer up than google earth. Check it out. This is how I have found all my gold mines 1st rather than having to drive or walk aimlessly through the mountains. Hope this helps your research.

Off topic side note. Peach Springs Az "IS" the site that Disney chose for the cartoon movie Cars. The love scene between the race car & Sally the Porsche at the end of the movie is a real place. You can drive your car there. It's just past Peach Springs on Rt 66 as you leave town ascending up the hill .... The overlook there is a priceless Kodak moment. Very few folks see this area of the canyon. 
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: errrv on August 11, 2011, 09:21:33 AM
Anybody familiar with Comb Ridge near Blanding & Bluff UT? The cold springs cliff dwelling is there, along with monarch cave?
Erv
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on August 11, 2011, 09:42:55 AM
Peach Springs Az is ENE of Kingman Az.

Moenkopi Az (HopiLand) is ENE of Flagstaff

Hope this helps.

Sidenote : If you want a crystal clear sky view of the area down to some fine details go to weather dot com & type in Peach Springs Az or Moenkopi Az on weather's map page & then click on satellite from road view. The picture is better closer up than google earth. Check it out. This is how I have found all my gold mines 1st rather than having to drive or walk aimlessly through the mountains. Hope this helps your research.

Off topic side note. Peach Springs Az "IS" the site that Disney chose for the cartoon movie Cars. The love scene between the race car & Sally the Porsche at the end of the movie is a real place. You can drive your car there. It's just past Peach Springs on Rt 66 as you leave town ascending up the hill .... The overlook there is a priceless Kodak moment. Very few folks see this area of the canyon.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on August 11, 2011, 09:47:49 AM
Anybody familiar with Comb Ridge near Blanding & Bluff UT? The cold springs cliff dwelling is there, along with monarch cave?
Erv

I have been in those areas, with family we would always go to UT NM CO.
Not sure if been right there but was at a campground near red rock structures... so beautiful. I think it was an unimproved camp site in the 1950s early 1960s...

Image is from the net Comb Ridge
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on August 11, 2011, 09:54:15 AM
http://www.landwatch.com/San-Juan-County-Utah-Land-for-sale/pid/220760417

Blanding, Bluff ads -  not saying it is best site just what I found so far.
YB
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on August 11, 2011, 10:05:53 AM

Posted also in my Topic, Survival Land, internet survival site board..
EBay Land for sale page... click on the various links, states etc.
Yowbarb
1:02 PM EDT today:


This page has UTAH land. http://realestate.shop.ebay.com/Real-Estate-/10542/i.html?_nkw=land&_dmpt=Land&_fln=1&_ssov=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282&State%252FProvince=Utah

(Ebay Land listings, choose state, price etc.)
http://realestate.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=land&_sacat=10542
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: errrv on August 11, 2011, 10:09:33 AM
Thanks Barb. I stumbled onto pictures of comb ridge & have seen several of the sites in my dreams. I'm going to look into it further.
Erv
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: augonit on August 12, 2011, 08:04:59 AM
A "BIG" concern for me is the oncoming ice age. I'm not real fond of shoveling snow 8 months out of a year. I like the GoldyLocks zone of northern Az. Not to hot, not to cold. If you research land prices in & around north eastern Mohave county, near Peach Springs, Az. You'll see land prices well under $1000 / ac. Possibly tax lien sales & private owner carry sales as well. Loads of Juniper forest land with rolling hills & well depths at 700' . Altitude is 4000' & up. As stated in Hopi prophecy this is where the heart of the planet is. Just south of the Colorado River. Good luck finding your corner of the world ....

A while back I researched where the ice got to in my area.  Luckily it never reached as far down as I am now, nor in my back up location.  I'm banking on it still won't get down here.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: terrypat on August 12, 2011, 09:01:40 AM
This is the kind of view you will see as you leave Peach Springs Az. going east on Rt 66 to Seligman, Flagstaff, etc. I can see why Disney chose this view for the love scene between Sally & Lighting McQueen in the movie Cars.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: terrypat on August 12, 2011, 09:08:49 AM
This is just outside town. Diamond Canyon area. Near Peach Springs, Az.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on August 12, 2011, 09:40:55 AM
Terrypat, this is an absolutely gorgeous and appealing area.
I wonder how much underground water there is available for wells.
Thanks for sharing info,
Yowbarb
PS sent you a PM but read the Topic - my reply and see if that's OK with you too.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: terrypat on August 12, 2011, 10:14:32 AM
Barb ,

Super simple in the desert. Plants get there moisture from the air until the tap root finds water in the earth mother. Find the biggest group
of green patch in the desert & water is closest to the surface there. In modern times the cattle ranchers out here, (Supai, Hualapai, Hopi, Navajo,)
have wells already in place from centuries ago. Follow the herd ....
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: terrypat on August 17, 2011, 10:03:16 AM
I have not been to this very special place. You are very fortunate to have experienced this area. I was in Sedona on July 4th weekend
& Sedona is similar in that it is surrounded by a rim country. I can only imagine what our ancients might have experienced when these places
were 1st inhabited. This area of Northern Az gives that feeling of jumping up on grandma's lap to be told a story just having quiet time. Barb, I
feel as though I'm going through a sort of spiritual puberty.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on August 17, 2011, 10:20:10 AM
I have not been to this very special place. You are very fortunate to have experienced this area. I was in Sedona on July 4th weekend
& Sedona is similar in that it is surrounded by a rim country. I can only imagine what our ancients might have experienced when these places
were 1st inhabited. This area of Northern Az gives that feeling of jumping up on grandma's lap to be told a story just having quiet time. Barb, I
feel as though I'm going through a sort of spiritual puberty.

Yes Canyon de Chelly was wonderful...
I don't think we ever made it up to Sedona but maybe since we went up to the Grand Canyon a couple times. We stayed on Old Route 66 most of the time but once or twice we went to  Lake Havasu and then back down to the main hwy again.
I know I was on the Apache Res. once on the way from Colorado back to my bro's place in Tucson so we might have gone through some of those areas...
Anyway its good you posted some ideas about getting land in northern AZ.
I wish we could have stayed longer an Apache couple invited us to go to Pow Wow with them the next day there was some major rock band playing too... but we had to hit the road. Well I am rambling...
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on August 19, 2011, 02:55:46 PM
I continue to rank the La Sal mountains in south-east Utah as first choice of favorable locations.  An 8-page pdf brochure titled "Southern Utah's High Country", from the US Department of Agriculture, is available at http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/maps/brochures/southern_utah.pdf (http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/maps/brochures/southern_utah.pdf) .  It has many pretty pictures but few facts.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: terrypat on August 19, 2011, 03:17:52 PM
I continue to rank the La Sal mountains in south-east Utah as first choice of favorable locations.  An 8-page pdf brochure titled "Southern Utah's High Country", from the US Department of Agriculture, is available at http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/maps/brochures/southern_utah.pdf (http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/maps/brochures/southern_utah.pdf) .  It has many pretty pictures but few facts.

I firmly believe the 4 corners area is the heart & lungs of the earth mother.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on August 26, 2011, 09:45:54 AM
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Found this video about good places to survive. Would be nice if we could take it a little further like he suggests..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VzYMVmk2ms&feature=related

His criteria of frost line, rainfall, and population density eliminate all of USA  except parts of the southern states.  Unfortunately, consideration of impending earth changes, including latitudes after the pole shift, eliminate all of that area.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: terrypat on August 27, 2011, 01:04:06 PM
I just bought this mountain last week & went up there this a.m. Here's some shots of the area. Elevation at the top of the mountain is 6200'
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: terrypat on August 27, 2011, 01:08:25 PM
That's interesting.  I always thought the rainforests were the lungs of the earth, I never knew where the heart was.  I guess I just thought it was the core.

What sealed the deal on my view was looking at the above picture & seeing arteries in the canyon walls.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: terrypat on August 27, 2011, 09:12:19 PM
Breathtaking views, CONGRATS !!!!!!!

Yeah Susan we were in the nose bleed section today .....
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on December 28, 2011, 06:24:23 PM
This is the Updated 2011 Safe Locs document from Zetatalk.
A pdf. The text version is on the website.
It may not be possible to vouch for accuracy of the information on the Zeta site - but they have been a part of my frame of reference for a long time now.
I do read what Nancy has to say...
Possibly will start a separate Topic on what is said about survival locations, on the Zetatalk site.
-  Yowbarb

https://www.zetatalk.com/safe2011.pdf

https://www.zetatalk.com  Home Page
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 01, 2012, 10:37:32 AM
Update: here is the new Topic on Safe Locs, the ZetaTalk site.
- Barb Townsend
Topic Administrator
............................................................................................
BOARD:   
2012 Global Signs and Trends via the www

Topic:     
Re: Safe Locations: What the ZetaTalk site is saying

Link:       
https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=3546.msg50363#msg50363     
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 15, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
This is something I had posted a long time ago. It is not from zetaTalk, nor is it directly related to Zeta Safe Locs.
I simply found some info on plateaus of the world.
Here are some links, perhaps some of these areas would be buildable and safe,
I don't particularly recommend India...
- Yowbarb

(http://www.cefns.nau.edu/Orgs/CPCESU/maps/images/coloradoplateau.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 15, 2012, 11:03:45 PM
(http://www.mapsofworld.com/physical-map/maps/world-plateaus-map.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Endtimesgal_2012 on January 16, 2012, 09:55:03 AM
I just finished watching videos by Major Ed Dames, remote viewer.  It does not look too encouraging for the west coast or the pacific northwest in general.  I am saddened by what he had to say as our sanctuary is in Washington State, about 90 miles from the coast, up around 450 elevation.  I can only pray that God will protect us. 

I am so amazed how Divine Consciousness keeps revealing one thing at a time to me, and the very next thing I find confirms what I have just learned.  Life is so amazing and I am grateful to be here to experience these times.  I just keep learning and learning and it is never ending.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on January 16, 2012, 10:13:06 AM
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our sanctuary is in Washington State, about 90 miles from the coast, up around 450 elevation.

Not far enough inland, and not high enough.
Recommended:  at least 200 miles inland and 700 feet elevation.  Also, for favorable latitudes after the pole shift, in North America,  be in what is now the Mountain time zone.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: errrv on January 16, 2012, 10:22:55 AM
I agree with Jim. Colorado plateau, or four corners area west of the rockies. Utah or northern Az.
Im following the trails of the Anasazi. Hope to see you all there.
Erv
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Endtimesgal_2012 on January 16, 2012, 11:00:09 AM
Yes, I know, I am well aware of the problems of our location, but unable to do anything about it at this time.  I am a senior and I can only go to be with my daughter and hope they figure it out. I have no desire to strike out alone and go through the shift with no one. They invested a lot of money and time into this location since they both needed to work, and they were operating on a limited budget which did not permit purchasing a second location far enough away to meet the criteria.  So they purchased this place on ten acres, secluded, pond and creek, on a well with a large shop, and as high up as they could find at the time they were purchasing.  They say we may need to bug out from there and go east, but hope they will be in a protected pocket and survive where they are.  Only God knows for sure.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 16, 2012, 01:53:08 PM
Yes, I know, I am well aware of the problems of our location, but unable to do anything about it at this time.  I am a senior and I can only go to be with my daughter and hope they figure it out. I have no desire to strike out alone and go through the shift with no one. They invested a lot of money and time into this location since they both needed to work, and they were operating on a limited budget which did not permit purchasing a second location far enough away to meet the criteria.  So they purchased this place on ten acres, secluded, pond and creek, on a well with a large shop, and as high up as they could find at the time they were purchasing.  They say we may need to bug out from there and go east, but hope they will be in a protected pocket and survive where they are.  Only God knows for sure.

Well we wish you all the best of luck.
There are a few things a group could do, to try make their location safer.
Stability: Steel cables, set down into concrete should hold the structure in place.
Perhaps a glass fiber resin reinforced concrete geodesic dome could be erected over the house. (I am assuming they have
a regular house.) ?
We cannot be so sure what will happen, but there are a lot of people who believe that for a short time we will have tremendous high winds all over the world. Most structures cannot stand up to that. Boulders placed up next to the house; steel posts, stones, steel cables, layers of reinforced concrete; buried reinforced steel containers with rebar on all sides and a t square reinforcement inside... these things might make a structure safer.
(http://eichlervision.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mini-posts-drilled.jpg)

Not finding very good illustrations, not an engineer, but you get the general idea.
Re Flameproofing. Any surface on the outside of a structure which is wood could burn.
sitting in the middle of a wooded area or even near woods or grasslands. More concrete on the outside of a structure would help.
There is flame retardant in the form of sprays.  Stone tiles won't burn like wood roofing. Rocks on top would help.
Iceplants planted around structures help keep back the fires...Gravel, cleared areas...
Just some ideas.

- Yowbarb
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: errrv on January 16, 2012, 04:16:00 PM
One big problem that I am facing, and I think others will too; the earthquake that hit here "loosened up" my house. Now, when a strong  wind blows, it sounds like my house is coming apart. It's the old "one, two, punch". I think caves or mines are gonna be the safe bet. I'm thinking high winds and high volume meteors, plus solar storms next fall.
Erv
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 16, 2012, 06:43:38 PM
One big problem that I am facing, and I think others will too; the earthquake that hit here "loosened up" my house. Now, when a strong  wind blows, it sounds like my house is coming apart. It's the old "one, two, punch". I think caves or mines are gonna be the safe bet. I'm thinking high winds and high volume meteors, plus solar storms next fall.
Erv

Any ideas on how to reinforce the cave so it is less likely to come down ?
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: errrv on January 16, 2012, 06:51:12 PM
Pick one that isn't limestone. The smaller the better... More structurally sound. Avoid stalactites/mites as they can fall on you. Not sure about reinforcing.
Erv
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Endtimesgal_2012 on January 16, 2012, 07:22:30 PM
Yowbarb:  Thanks for the suggestions, I will pass them on to my daughter and her hubby.  We are in a little pocket of a valley up high in the area, and there are mountains between us and the coast.  We hope we will just make it since we are somewhat protected from the winds. We do not expect the house or the shop to survive the shift, but we will be far enough out of town to not get so many looters, etc, and we are in a situation where we can stop anyone from coming into the property and will be able to defend our location pretty easily.  We are in a cleared area, with woods surrounding us, and we also have a large pasture area.  It is very secluded and private and at the end of a private road, and I am sure the neighbors will band together to maintain safety for all on the private road.  We assume we will have to build some sort of shelter afterwards.  We have many dreams and ideas of what to do to prepare a suitable shelter, but no finances to do so, all our spare money went into purchasing the property and supplies.  Who knows if we will survive or not.  But we lived through the last eruption of Mt St Helens, and we know what to expect there, and we are not in danger of flooding where we are, and we feel we are far enough from the coastline to not have to worry about tsunamis, especially since there is a mountain range between the coast and our location.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: inselemel on January 19, 2012, 07:26:50 AM
Hi, i was reading the channeling from Mike Quinsey on Galactic channelings
http://galacticchannelings.com/english/mike18-01-12.html
and it mentioned right at the end
"I am SaLuSa from Sirius, and know you will be thrilled and overawed by the Motherships and the wonders of our very advanced technologies. You may well get to visit one, or even enjoy the experience of visiting one of the Cities of Light, that are preparing to make their appearance on Earth. They also are examples of what can be done by using our technologies for the good of all. So do not despair and keep looking on the bright side of things, your day is soon to come when all shall live in peace and freedom."

The Crystal Skulls first book "The Skull Speaks" also mentioned what they referred to as 'Light Centres'.
"Your Earth will be covered in darkness and there will be certain geographical locations which men will migrate to. Wherever the Crystal Skull resides will be a Light Centre. There will be seven..... all of which will be given at a later date."

In the 2nd book the author asks "Can you tell us where in the world the so-called 'safe areas' will be? Or, if it's simpler, perhaps you could tell us the most dangerous places once the 'changes' begin?"
"Those places that have been predicted by your sages in the past will, indeed, undergo changes," he answered. " That which has been previously given through this mind (Carole's) still holds in it's sincerity and truth," he said, referring to the predictions and warnings given in 'The Skull Speaks' wherein we had been informed that: 'The safe areas of your Earth will be areas that have already taken upon themselves calamity and have been 'forgive'. Monitor continued,
"Thus the area which we gave you (Arizona) will be an area you will seek to harmonize. There is a small area of the 'Red Mountains' (a descriptive term for a mountain range near Sonora in Arizona) in which you will seek to harmonize eventually," he told me. "Also there are other areas that , at this present time , are not (exactly) appealing to the comforts of the body-structure," he said, meaning regions that - at this point prior to the Earth changes - are area of extreme cold (the Arctic and Antarctic) and to areas that are under the oceans at this time. "

It might not be of use at the moment as the areas are still under water etc but it was good to get a confirmation about the Light Centres, (which i have been thinking about a lot recently - i personally think the ideas that were 'given' to Dannion Brinkleys in his nde's will form part of these light centres, i also personally think Australia's Red Centre will be a safe area (which is obviously no use to myself of most of people on this board but it is just my feelings on the matter, i do have feelings where a couple of the light centres will be but i better keep  :-X at the moment as it is just my feelings and probably a load of codswallop).
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 20, 2012, 07:43:25 AM
Endtimesgal well that sounds positive and you could be right...maybe your location is not so bad. If your group cannot relocate the suggestions will help, so I am glad you will pass them on.
People are doing all kinds of things  to try and create a cheap shelter. I think a few additions to what they are doing would make the underground safer. For example, some people have been burying old campers or buses. If a person could dig down and then line the hole with re bar and pour concrete to form walls all around that would lend some strength. Then the vehicle, container or whatever could be set down inside there. Any roof must have a big ventilation pipe with a pull mechanism, something to open and shut the top, that could be operated from down inside the shelter. A grill attached on top to help prevent any sparks from fires from getting in there. A layer of screen would discourage critters from getting in the ventilation hole.
Further down from that, some kind of filter for the air...not sure what.
I wouldn't put earth just on top of a camper...
Any roof of any camper or bus could cave in, and so another roof of some sort needs to go on top. Concrete on top would block radiation. Again it needs  to be reinforced. Some people are nervous about using metal such as re bar steel so they will reinforce their concrete with GFR glass fiber resin.
Important to think about stresses on any structure, cabin, steel container or vehicle that gets buried underground. I'm not an engineer but maybe it's a good idea to give the structure some wiggle room, sides and top. The inside of any structure, if it is not a reinforced geodesic dome, needs reinforcement. Even lumber set into form a "T" and all around the structure, would help keep the sides intact. No guarantee but that should help. Steel, or if there is nothing else, lumber.  When I say a "T, " not sure if I read that or just thought about it. In the center of the square, rectangular structure or container, or even bus, there would be a post from top to bottom. That central post is the "T." It is embedded into the floor and connected, bolted - at the top - to other posts or boards which go across the room. Additional sections of metal or wood would be connected all around the top. The same thing could be done at the bottom.
One idea I had and posted in some previous dome Topic: Affix a little metal mesh layer, loosely looping down from the ceiling to the edges of the room. In the layer below that, put something like parachute cloth. Or it could be flameproof material. This would not intrude far down into the room space. The purpose is to provide an additional layer of protection bwteeen the ceiling of the stcture, bus etc. and the people inside there. If something partially collapses and some particles come down, a lot of them would be caughtinside this contraption. This thing would be bolted into the structure. If building a dome it could literally be cemented in as part of the structure, connected at the edges to the reinforcement stucture.
Later on when thing settle down one end could be unattached and whatever fell into there could be cleaned out then reattached. Another idea was to have a few futon pads small mattresses pillows to help protect people if there is earth movement.
I am thinking a lot of people - even those with a lot of money, may be on a waiting list for a special dome, underground pre -  made shelter etc.
It seems that any structure has a chance to stand up to earth changes, if there is a casing of reinforced concrete around it. Not everyone would agree with me, but that's my suggestion. Take an existing small cabin, bus, camper,
even wooden boxes and pallets. set it down in some reinforcement.
Just some ideas...
Yowbarb
Yowbarb:  Thanks for the suggestions, I will pass them on to my daughter and her hubby.  We are in a little pocket of a valley up high in the area, and there are mountains between us and the coast.  We hope we will just make it since we are somewhat protected from the winds. We do not expect the house or the shop to survive the shift, but we will be far enough out of town to not get so many looters, etc, and we are in a situation where we can stop anyone from coming into the property and will be able to defend our location pretty easily.  We are in a cleared area, with woods surrounding us, and we also have a large pasture area.  It is very secluded and private and at the end of a private road, and I am sure the neighbors will band together to maintain safety for all on the private road.  We assume we will have to build some sort of shelter afterwards.  We have many dreams and ideas of what to do to prepare a suitable shelter, but no finances to do so, all our spare money went into purchasing the property and supplies.  Who knows if we will survive or not.  But we lived through the last eruption of Mt St Helens, and we know what to expect there, and we are not in danger of flooding where we are, and we feel we are far enough from the coastline to not have to worry about tsunamis, especially since there is a mountain range between the coast and our location.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: errrv on February 05, 2012, 05:54:59 PM
Hi guys!
I haven't seen anyone mention it, but you can contact your local electric company & they have telephone poles that you can pick up. They are usually free or very cheap. In some cases they will pay you to haul them off. The electric company has to pay to have them disposed of as they are hazmat. Make sure you take a flatbed trailer, cargo straps, and working chainsaw. They are over 18' long and you will need to cut them down. They are extremely heavy, so do not overload your trailer. Best building resource available. When using for a roof, make sure & alternate them, as they are thicker on one end.
Erv
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on February 13, 2012, 09:18:48 AM
Hi guys!
I haven't seen anyone mention it, but you can contact your local electric company & they have telephone poles that you can pick up. They are usually free or very cheap. In some cases they will pay you to haul them off. The electric company has to pay to have them disposed of as they are hazmat. Make sure you take a flatbed trailer, cargo straps, and working chainsaw. They are over 18' long and you will need to cut them down. They are extremely heavy, so do not overload your trailer. Best building resource available. When using for a roof, make sure & alternate them, as they are thicker on one end.
Erv

Wow! Erv I learn something new every time you post!
 :)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Initalone on February 13, 2012, 03:27:41 PM
 Hello all,
 Just a reminder on the use of used utility poles, if they were in use prior to 1987, before regulation, they may be treated with PCB's.  Pentachlorophenol was often used.  As Erv stated,they would likely be considered hazardous.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on February 14, 2012, 10:25:33 AM
Hello all,
 Just a reminder on the use of used utility poles, if they were in use prior to 1987, before regulation, they may be treated with PCB's.  Pentachlorophenol was often used.  As Erv stated,they would likely be considered hazardous.

Thanks I didn't realize that...
Two things I'm wondering
1) Do they dispose of any made after 1967 (without PCBs)
2) If they were used to help build fencing, or barriers would that be OK?
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Schi-502 on February 14, 2012, 09:19:17 PM
I have used the pre ban poles in building a retaining wall on Tomales Bay.  As long as you do not maintain constant contact with the poles you'll be alright.  Meaning, don't lick the poles.  Don 't use them for benches, tables or reclining lounges.  And by all means, do not burn them!
Do not collect ground water downstream from these poles, as they will "leach" into the ground.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: servantofyah on September 24, 2012, 03:24:19 PM
Jebel-Al- lawz Saudi Arabia. At the base of this mountain.
Mt Saluiman.. Northern Iran. The center of the earth.
The perimeter of the Sahara. The Sahara will return to its oceanic state.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on September 24, 2012, 04:47:11 PM
This from Zetatalk at   https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx225.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx225.htm) :

" Iran will stand close enough to the new South Pole after the shift to be considered within the Polar Circle. With the new South Pole positions essentially over India, this will put Iran into the situation Northern Siberia or the Northwest Territories of Canada or the northernmost tips of the Scandinavian countries experience today - a very short spring and summer and a long, cold winter, with the ground permanently frozen below just a few inches of soil. There are no inhabited lands within the South Polar Circle that we can to point to. In that Russia will be subjected to extensive flooding, due to its low elevation, we suggest migrating across Arabia into Africa after the shift, as this massive continent will be almost wholly above water and stretched out along the new Equator, giving it a temperate climate and access along its shores to ocean fishing, which will be fruitful in the Aftertime.

During the shift itself, those in Iran who wish to survive should stay out of the types of buildings that regularly crumble and crush their inhabitants during quakes. Even in cities around the world where the cost of construction was not a concern and extensive quake proofing done, almost all buildings will be damaged and most devastated to the point of being a heap of rubble. Find a low spot protected from the wind and cover yourself cowering and lying on the ground with a metal roof or piece of tin or sod covered boards, in the rare event that a firestorm would descend. Don’t delay in your migration, as the days after the shift, when populations everywhere are dazed, are the best opportunity to migrate. Afterwards, territoriality will be re-established, and migration resisted along the route. "
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on May 10, 2013, 02:03:43 PM
I have used the pre ban poles in building a retaining wall on Tomales Bay.  As long as you do not maintain constant contact with the poles you'll be alright.  Meaning, don't lick the poles.  Don 't use them for benches, tables or reclining lounges.  And by all means, do not burn them!
Do not collect ground water downstream from these poles, as they will "leach" into the ground.

Schi-502 I forgot to acknowledge your post.
I see the importance now, of not using poles or other cast aside wooden equipment (spools or whatever) if it is treated with toxic chemicals. Thanks for the ideas.  :)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on May 10, 2013, 02:10:24 PM
For those of you trying to decide where to make a stand and create a survival location:
I don't necessarily consider this info completely reliable. In other words it's hard to prove. All that said, this document has been part of my frame of reference for quite awhile now. Some things to consider.
This PDF has many basic statements and theories on the coming earth changes. These could be taken into account when purchasing survival land or deciding which community to join. For example if it is right on a major river or lake, or an ocean, then that location should be crossed off the list. Any survival location should be inland, elevated; 60 feet above a big river or lake. Etc.
...

https://www.zetatalk.com/safelocs.pdf
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Schi-502 on May 10, 2013, 09:47:04 PM
You're welcome.
I appreciate your hard work, keeping these topics current.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on May 11, 2013, 02:54:15 AM
You're welcome.
I appreciate your hard work, keeping these topics current.

Well a lot of them just grow like weeds but we do what we can.  ;D
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on July 09, 2013, 08:51:33 AM
I'm zeroing in on "the Alleghenys."  Allegheny Mountains of PA, mainly...
Anyone have any ideas...
Sorry to admit, I don't feel particularly expert on the safety of mountains during earth changes but it seems right...
The "C" on the google maps won't work that's Johnstown PA site of some of the worst flooding ever in the US... farther over to the east, and higher up, points A and B possibly may be OK.
Those are major settlements B is Altoona PA; A is State College, PA.

No clue yet if there is much land for sale there.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on July 09, 2013, 01:23:48 PM


Quote
I'm zeroing in on "the Alleghenys."  Allegheny Mountains of PA, mainly...

From http://www.zetatalk5.com/info/tinfx055.htm (http://www.zetatalk5.com/info/tinfx055.htm)

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Pennsylvania

Coastal areas along the eastern seaboard of the US will experience deceptive inundations during the pole shift. First the appearance of receding water during the stopped rotation when water flows to the poles, then the appearance of further receding as the Atlantic widens, and then a steady and strong return of the water beyond its former height as the water again settles briefly at the new poles before returning to the equator during resumed rotation. Thus, even without the tidal waves and influence of the melting poles, eastern seaboard locations will be fooled and then inundated by sea water. The mountainous regions in western Pennsylvania, where now considered an area difficult to farm and with industries tied to coal mining in the past, will prove to be a safe place not only during the shift itself but during the Aftertime. Ocean access will be provided by the St. Lawrence Seaway, which will widen to the extent of becoming an inlet bay to the Atlantic. The climate likewise will improve somewhat for western Pennsylvania, after the shift.

The greatest danger, as with all land bordering the eastern seaboard, will be from survivors moving inland. Where these survivors come from Wall Street or Washington DC, they will have the attitude that they should be waited upon, and will be aggressive in trying to take over any flourishing settlement they discover. The Amish, farming in this state, will find themselves with numerous unwelcome visitors just ahead of the shift, as these farms are literally within walking distance of urban areas along the coast. During the week prior to the shift, when the Earth stops rotation, lack of services will empty the store shelves, and those who are able will aggressively seek out self sustaining enclaves, which the Amish are known to be. Moved inland from the coast, these hungry survivors will then be pushed into the foothills by rising water from the land stretch that will precede the shift, and the melting poles that will follow the shift. Thus all mountain land closely bordering seaboard cities will be crowded, without the resources to feed all the survivors.

ZetaTalk ™
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Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on July 09, 2013, 02:37:49 PM
Jim, thanks for the feedback on the mountainous areas of Pennsylvania.
The area I am thinking of is west- central PA, Alleghenies...
True any good area will be having extra visitors... I'm hoping for good stable land if there
will be any such thing and well reinforced undergrounds...
Wishing everyone the best...It appears we still have some time to prepare...
- Yowbarb
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on September 06, 2013, 04:48:05 AM
Global Moderator Endtimesgal sent me this.
Endtimesgal, thanks for finding it.
I copied the image from the page... - Yowbarb

Note: There are live links on the page, leading to other sites and articles so see the original page.
...
http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/map-where-you-dont-want-to-be-when-it-hits-the-fan_09052013

Map: Where You Don’t Want to Be When It Hits the Fan

Sep 05, 2013 SHTFplan.com

When it hits the fan America’s population centers will explode in violence, looting, and total breakdown of law and order.

It’s a theory put forth by numerous survival and relocation specialists, and one that makes complete sense if you consider what happens in a truly serious collapse-like scenario.

Survival Blog founder James Rawles calls them the golden horde:


Because of the urbanization of the U.S. population, if the entire eastern or western power grid goes down for more than a week, the cities will rapidly become unlivable. I foresee that there will be an almost unstoppable chain of events:

Power -> water -> food distribution -> law and order -> arson fires -> full scale looting

In his recent documentary Strategic Relocation, retreat expert Joel Skousen echoes Rawles’ warnings:


The number one threat that I concentrate on. It’s not terrorism, it’s not natural disaster, it’s not even government or war.

The major threat is population density.

Because every crisis that threatens, even a local crisis, can turn exponential because of close proximity to people who cannot help themselves. Even good people panic in a crisis…

So, where should you be when it happens?

To find the answer, let’s consider where we shouldn’t be.

Recent U.S. census data indicates that out of the 3000 counties in the United States, fully 50% of the population lives in just 146.

If you want to have any chance of surviving a wide-spread catastrophic event by avoiding the hordes that will be searching for critical resources in its aftermath, then check out the following map to get a visual reference of the areas you want to stay away from.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on September 27, 2013, 09:19:10 AM
You're welcome.
I appreciate your hard work, keeping these topics current.

Oh, I forgot to mention I can no longer use the MOVE Function on here.
I cannot move topics to archives. I cannot move Topics to different Boards.
The only thing I can do is merge two topics - OR -move all the posts from one Topics to another one and delete the empty one.
So if it seems a bit cluttered...that's why.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on September 27, 2013, 09:27:37 AM
Not sure if I had posted a Karst topography map of the US...
Here is one. Trying to find one with the states marked on it.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on September 27, 2013, 10:07:14 AM
http://water.usgs.gov/ogw/karst/kig2002/jbe_map.html
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on September 27, 2013, 10:16:43 AM
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/rosetta-stones/2013/03/07/living-and-sometimes-dying-with-karst/

Living (and sometimes dying) with karst
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on October 28, 2013, 08:00:17 AM
Yowbarb Note: I just saw this reference. This is a valuable one.
I refer to karst maps when I consider where to buy survival land. I still haven't found the greatest maps for this so this image is a help.  :)
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_karst_areas#United_States

It lists all the Karst areas of the US. It is a link from another article, List of Karst Areas (of the WORLD)
Karst Areas:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_karst_areas
.......................................
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_karst_areas#United_States

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Karst topography is produced by the dissolution of bedrock by water. It frequently involves caves
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: willsorr75 on October 29, 2013, 09:52:58 AM
Well my family and I will be moving back to AU sometime next year...  I'm hoping we'll have a better chance of survival there when the SHTF... I know we'll be closer to the coast line than we are now, but we have more family there to count on when the time comes... Anyone know what is being said of the outcomes to AU when things fall apart (Government, Geographical Area, etc)? I do know owning a gun there is a no-no...
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on October 29, 2013, 10:53:20 AM
Well my family and I will be moving back to AU sometime next year...  I'm hoping we'll have a better chance of survival there when the SHTF... I know we'll be closer to the coast line than we are now, but we have more family there to count on when the time comes... Anyone know what is being said of the outcomes to AU when things fall apart (Government, Geographical Area, etc)? I do know owning a gun there is a no-no...

I am not sure what will happen in Australia but if you can move your family inland that would be a good idea.
Perhaps some land inland where you could all go to...
Western OR EASTERN Australia?
I will look for your reply,
All The Best,
Barb Townsend

Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on October 29, 2013, 10:57:50 AM
Well my family and I will be moving back to AU sometime next year...  I'm hoping we'll have a better chance of survival there when the SHTF... I know we'll be closer to the coast line than we are now, but we have more family there to count on when the time comes... Anyone know what is being said of the outcomes to AU when things fall apart (Government, Geographical Area, etc)? I do know owning a gun there is a no-no...

BTW I cannot imagine having to get through the coming times without a gun...Whatever is legal, get plenty of them...I know there are a lot of well-intentioned people - but taking away peoples' means of self defense is just a stupid thing to do... (What is legal there to use?)
- Barb Townsend
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: willsorr75 on October 29, 2013, 01:01:37 PM
I know it will suck not owning a gun. I've already sold all the ones I've had... I hated to let go of them... We'll be living in the State of Victoria, Melbourne area.... We'll still be about an  hour from the beach. I guess that's far enough inland to escape a major tsunami if they have them... It's pretty much a neutral country, so there aren't many terrorist or countries wanting to go to war with them, so that's a plus... All my wife's family is there and her family is 10x larger than mine, and all live in about the same area... Our man reason for moving is so our children can have a chance to get to know their other 1/10 of their family.... Plus I've always wanted to live in Australia, haha....
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on October 29, 2013, 01:12:02 PM
Quote
I am not sure what will happen in Australia but if you can move your family inland that would be a good idea.
Perhaps some land inland where you could all go to...
Western OR EASTERN Australia?

Zetatalk.com  says that the India-Australia tectonic plate will tilt as it slides more underneath the Himalayan mountains;  western AU will be under water, and eastern AU will rise.  However, there is some indication that the plate might crack in the middle, and then AU will not be affected so much.

See https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx028.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx028.htm)

I would recommend foothills in Tasmania (best) or the Atherton Tablelands in north-east Queensland.  (I have family over there, but they won't listen.)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: willsorr75 on October 29, 2013, 01:22:21 PM
Quote
I am not sure what will happen in Australia but if you can move your family inland that would be a good idea.
Perhaps some land inland where you could all go to...
Western OR EASTERN Australia?

Zetatalk.com  says that the India-Australia tectonic plate will tilt as it slides more underneath the Himalayan mountains;  western AU will be under water, and eastern AU will rise.  However, there is some indication that the plate might crack in the middle, and then AU will not be affected so much.

See https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx028.htm (https://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx028.htm)

I would recommend foothills in Tasmania (best) or the Atherton Tablelands in north-east Queensland.  (I have family over there, but they won't listen.)

Thanks for this, it gives me hope that we'll be in the area of the elevation increase... I know there are mountains only a few ours from Melbourne so we might be in great shape. Thanks for sharing this. It can at least assist with determining a safe zone when needed.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on October 29, 2013, 01:30:06 PM
Sounds like good advice...
Jim thank you for posting,
Barb T.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on October 29, 2013, 02:05:46 PM
I know it will suck not owning a gun. I've already sold all the ones I've had... I hated to let go of them... We'll be living in the State of Victoria, Melbourne area.... We'll still be about an  hour from the beach. I guess that's far enough inland to escape a major tsunami if they have them... It's pretty much a neutral country, so there aren't many terrorist or countries wanting to go to war with them, so that's a plus... All my wife's family is there and her family is 10x larger than mine, and all live in about the same area... Our man reason for moving is so our children can have a chance to get to know their other 1/10 of their family.... Plus I've always wanted to live in Australia, haha....
Hi again and thanks for the msgs.
That is good you are inland a-ways. That really does give you some time.
That's great about your wife's big family. I imagine they are a cheerful lot.  :)
Glad if there are hills farther inland, too. A couple acres with a steel reinforced concrete structure...even small with some underground storage and supplies, that could make all the difference in the world.
I'm about to log off, just wanted to say (I personally do not) have it figured out but I plan to watch the ads after zeroing in on what I think is a good location. Will hit the road and go look. Sometimes it is possible to grab a few acres on an Ebay auction and my one of my daughters can help with that too...
Australia is for some reason a place I had wanted to go. Now, with four offspring in the US and one in England...won't be going there...I had a wonderful dream once. My Dad was building me a beautiful home; there looked like redwood or some other reddish wood... The dream was back in the 1960s, when Dad was fairly young and strong. Sort of a spiritual dream and very positive...
Blessings...
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on October 29, 2013, 02:23:32 PM
PS Will, I wondered what kind of wood my Dad would have been building with, in that dream, so long ago. It looked just wonderful, red wood panels, all in the inside of the house, too.
I figured it could (not) have been redwood. So I just did a search. Yes there is a reddish tree in Australia, the Bloodwood.  Lovely.  :)
Over and Out,
Barb T.
...

(http://www.woodenpens.com.au/system/files/images/trees/Bloodwood-Tree.jpg)

(http://www.woodworkerssource.com/mm5/graphics/woods_stacks_scans/closer/Bloodwood_3.jpg)

http://www.woodworkerssource.com/blo44-p-Bloodwood.html

Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on October 31, 2013, 06:50:47 AM
Willsorr75, best of luck to you in your re-locating to Australia...
Hoping you will get land inland or mountain refuge nearby.
Jim had some good ideas, I feel...
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: collie on October 31, 2013, 11:18:22 PM


(What is legal there to use?)

[/quote]

Nothing Barb.  We are totally defenseless.  Get a L A R G E, H U N G R Y dog  :)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on November 01, 2013, 02:24:13 PM


(What is legal there to use?)


Nothing Barb.  We are totally defenseless.  Get a L A R G E, H U N G R Y dog  :)
...
Collie thanks for your reply! Well hungry dogs, gator pond might help too.  ;D
How about machetes and like that?  Can't people use those if someone threatens their home?
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on November 26, 2013, 09:59:13 AM
Of course you guys know how to defend yourselves.
 :)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on December 24, 2013, 08:28:07 AM
From http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/ (http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/) :

(http://sanonofresafety.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/usgs-seismichazardmapusa3.jpg?w=908&h=705)

I'm not finding that map in the USGS site -- Jim
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 20, 2014, 03:01:48 PM
This video presentation of part of Day1 Survival Summit, good free for several more hours. The whole Summit goes through the 26th.

I heard about the Summit this morning, from JustWright61 a TH Member.

I hope this helps provide some useful info. If this link doesn't work for you go register for free summit.

http://thesurvivalsummit.com/  All they are asking is name and email.  If you have any questions viewing the videos post them to me here. I figured out how to get past some minor glitches. I got a whole lot out of the video on permaculture, the second one of the day.

Locating The Perfect Survival Retreat or Homestead
Majory Wildcraft:

Link:   http://thesurvivalsummit.com/locate-retreat/
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 20, 2014, 07:02:32 PM
Just posting here a few screen captures, which will serve as notes. More in next post. In the first part of her presentation, Marjory Wildcraft talks about what to look for, what to avoid. Populated areas not a good idea. The two main kills of mankind  - not war, but famine and disease. More in next post.
- Yowbarb
..................................................................................................
http://thesurvivalsummit.com/locate-retreat/ 
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 20, 2014, 09:23:57 PM
OK, I got something out of Marjory Wildcraft's video.
Worth watching. If you want to watch it free it will be available until 08:59 AM PST tomorrow.
The Survival Summit goes through January 26th.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 20, 2014, 10:52:51 PM
Notes from Marjory Wildcraft's video Posting here a few screen captures, which will serve as notes. These just give show her main ideas. The regions she shows where a lot of preppers go, she is not necessarily saying go there. She emphasizes how personal it is  to decide what you can deal with in climate people etc.
- Yowbarb
...
http://thesurvivalsummit.com/locate-retreat/ 
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 20, 2014, 11:00:20 PM
Notes from Marjory Wildcraft's video which you can view free 'til 9 AM EST tomorrow.

Continuing to post here a few screen captures, which will serve as notes.

Locating The Perfect Survival Retreat or Homestead

http://thesurvivalsummit.com/locate-retreat/ 
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Endtimesgal_2012 on January 21, 2014, 08:54:51 AM
This was excellent!  I also checked her out on Youtube, lots of great videos available.  Her website is also really good.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 21, 2014, 09:52:55 AM
This was excellent!  I also checked her out on Youtube, lots of great videos available.  Her website is also really good.

Endtimesgal, thanks! Good to know someone was watching the presentations.  ;)
I finished that one late last night. 

Good to know about her site.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: bk on January 21, 2014, 10:59:45 PM
Very good lots of info.

I did not have to sign in to listen to the info?
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 21, 2014, 11:20:02 PM
Very good lots of info.

I did not have to sign in to listen to the info?

Bob E.  I'm glad you liked that..
maybe you clicked one of the links I had posted...
It's a good idea for everyone to register on the main Summit page...but I posted links to the presentations for anyone who wanted to use them.
The Day 1 vids were good until this AM at 9 PST.
Today's (Jan 21st) are good 'til 9 AM PST the 22nd.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on January 25, 2014, 07:52:18 AM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/15/article-1366603-0B307F2A00000578-515_634x386.jpg)

Rather than "Safe Locations" -- because there are not any -- this should go in the topic "Favorable Locations", but I can't find it -- the search option "Search in Topic Subjects Only" does not work.  --  Jim
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 25, 2014, 12:49:50 PM
Jim, good idea! I can rename this topic - not completely like I used to be able to do.

We don't have the move or merge functions anymore and that is how I had managed to change topic names.

This time, I changed the subject heading for the first and last posts....  :) 

Yowbarb
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: pbutter72 on January 25, 2014, 09:25:26 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/15/article-1366603-0B307F2A00000578-515_634x386.jpg)

Rather than "Safe Locations" -- because there are not any -- this should go in the topic "Favorable Locations", but I can't find it -- the search option "Search in Topic Subjects Only" does not work.  --  Jim

Great map-- Thank you for posting!

~pB
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on August 18, 2014, 08:48:08 AM
Here is an isolated spot that should have a favorable climate after the pole shift:

Cotton Wood Canyon, Nevada USA.
Water should be underground not too deep for a well.

Coordinates 38.617, -118.800  or greener spots nearby in the same canyon.

Over the ridge eastward to Walker Lake and south-east to Hawthorne (small town), NV 89415.

Also nearby over the ridge westward and north: Yerington NV 89447 (small town)  on the West Walker River.  A geothermal power plant is nearby.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on August 20, 2014, 02:49:05 PM
Jimfarmer thanks for your latest post here.
Update: Jim, we have the move and merge functions back again, for Topics - for several months now.
So, awhile ago I was able to merge Safe Locations and Favorable Locations Topics.
All The Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on May 12, 2016, 10:09:19 AM
USA residents: consider moving to Page, Arizona, population 7440 and elevation 4117 feet.  It is near to but above Lake Powell on the Colorado River, upstream of the Grand Canyon.  Lake Powell is currently 107 feet below Full Pool (elevation 3700 ft), so the water level at full pool would still be 417 feet below the elevation of Page. By content, Lake Powell is currently 46% of Full Pool.  The climate is very arid now but will become sub-tropical after the pole shift. The dam might burst during the pole shift, and the river will probably flood, but the town of Page should be safe. Electricity supply and town water supply will cease.  You could do hydroponic or raised-bed gardening using river water, as soils are poor; but exposed lake-bed should be fertile after the pole shift.  Local terrain is critical.  I might provide additional information later.

IMAGE "Satellite view Page AZ & Lake Powell.jpg"
-----------------------

My preferred locations are still the following.
* For North American residents: at creeks or springs in hills near to Ekalaka, Montana.
   (A very nice rural property was for sale there a few years ago.)
* For Australian residents: foothills in central Tasmania, near a creek or river.
   (A small village was for sale there a few years ago.)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: ilinda on May 19, 2016, 06:16:34 PM
As if Florida residents don't have enough problems now, here is yet another reason to consider relocating!

 Science
Nile crocodiles slither into South Florida
Orlando Sentinel 5 hours ago

   
FORT LAUDERDALE — Step aside, Burmese python — you may no longer be Florida's scariest invasive species. Researchers have confirmed that three Nile crocodiles were captured near Miami, and they say it's possible more of the man-eating reptiles are still out there, although no one can say for sure. The big question now: How did they get to Florida? "They didn't swim from Africa," University of Florida herpetologist Kenneth Krysko said. "But we really don't know how they got into the wild." Krysko and his co-authors just published a paper showing that DNA testing proved the three animals captured in 2009, 2011 and 2014 are Nile crocs, a species whose males grow to over 16 feet long and weigh upward ...
Read more
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: redhairedgirl on July 19, 2016, 12:27:59 AM
Finally am able to get back to being more present here. I am in negotiations to purchase approximately 2 acres of fertile land that has both surface water, acequias (agricultural ditches historically used here in Northern New Mexico to irrigate farmland) that will feed and irrigate our land with water. Water rights will transfer to us.  Additional water source is a deep good flowing well. The back acre of the  land backs onto the Rio Grande River with gradual sloping. Our place is protected by low rolling hills on one side beyond the Rio Grande which is dedicated Bureau of Land Management  land.  There is one road in, a private road that we will share with our immediate neighbors.
We will have two homes on the place; one main remodeled old adobe with wood burning stove, septic tank and electrical. I'll probably set up a few backup generators. The house is double adobe, which is a great natural material originally utilized by the Indians. Cool in summer, retains heat in the winter. There is also a small casita, or guest house as well. Both are solidly built by a great local craftsman.  This place is in a small hispanic village in the Sangre de Christo mountains here in Northern New Mexico - local population about 300 people all very close knit. Elevation is about 6000 feet up.
The general area is fertile agricultural. People are simple and good.

I'm sorry to have been absent for so long. I have been dedicating all my time, energy and strength to find and locate our place to live. I'm so happy to say that we have found it.
Patty
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on July 19, 2016, 12:54:18 AM
Finally am able to get back to being more present here. I am in negotiations to purchase approximately 2 acres of fertile land that has both surface water, acequias (agricultural ditches historically used here in Northern New Mexico to irrigate farmland) that will feed and irrigate our land with water. Water rights will transfer to us.  Additional water source is a deep good flowing well. The back acre of the  land backs onto the Rio Grande River with gradual sloping. Our place is protected by low rolling hills on one side beyond the Rio Grande which is dedicated Bureau of Land Management  land.  There is one road in, a private road that we will share with our immediate neighbors.
We will have two homes on the place; one main remodeled old adobe with wood burning stove, septic tank and electrical. I'll probably set up a few backup generators. The house is double adobe, which is a great natural material originally utilized by the Indians. Cool in summer, retains heat in the winter. There is also a small casita, or guest house as well. Both are solidly built by a great local craftsman.  This place is in a small hispanic village in the Sangre de Christo mountains here in Northern New Mexico - local population about 300 people all very close knit. Elevation is about 6000 feet up.
The general area is fertile agricultural. People are simple and good.

I'm sorry to have been absent for so long. I have been dedicating all my time, energy and strength to find and locate our place to live. I'm so happy to say that we have found it.
Patty

Patty (redhairedgirl) I am so happy to see your post! :)
So glad you have found a good location. Sounds really beautiful, too.
Wow, it looks like all your hard work and all the prayers worked!
- Barb T.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: redhairedgirl on July 19, 2016, 04:34:11 PM
!!!Thanks Barb....
ilinda: what a story about the Nile crocs in Florida.. what the heck?!!! How is that possible? (rhetorical question)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: ilinda on July 19, 2016, 06:23:42 PM
Finally am able to get back to being more present here. I am in negotiations to purchase approximately 2 acres of fertile land that has both surface water, acequias (agricultural ditches historically used here in Northern New Mexico to irrigate farmland) that will feed and irrigate our land with water. Water rights will transfer to us.  Additional water source is a deep good flowing well. The back acre of the  land backs onto the Rio Grande River with gradual sloping. Our place is protected by low rolling hills on one side beyond the Rio Grande which is dedicated Bureau of Land Management  land.  There is one road in, a private road that we will share with our immediate neighbors.
We will have two homes on the place; one main remodeled old adobe with wood burning stove, septic tank and electrical. I'll probably set up a few backup generators. The house is double adobe, which is a great natural material originally utilized by the Indians. Cool in summer, retains heat in the winter. There is also a small casita, or guest house as well. Both are solidly built by a great local craftsman.  This place is in a small hispanic village in the Sangre de Christo mountains here in Northern New Mexico - local population about 300 people all very close knit. Elevation is about 6000 feet up.
The general area is fertile agricultural. People are simple and good.

I'm sorry to have been absent for so long. I have been dedicating all my time, energy and strength to find and locate our place to live. I'm so happy to say that we have found it.
Patty
Congrats!  It does sound beautiful and wonderful.  I especially like the low population.  A lot of us are very happy for you!  Ever onward.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Socrates on November 10, 2016, 11:44:26 PM
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q4jy_Cp113o/V5jH26F7qoI/AAAAAAAAEts/zDamJ9y2mzUhCk-BdPHJ4jNC2VKMCYM8ACLcB/s1600/safezones.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 03, 2017, 02:57:26 PM


(What is legal there to use?)


Nothing Barb.  We are totally defenseless.  Get a L A R G E, H U N G R Y dog  :)
...
Collie thanks for your reply! Well hungry dogs, gator pond might help too.  ;D
How about machetes and like that?  Can't people use those if someone threatens their home?

We miss you, Collie. Come on back and let us know how it is there...
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Socrates on January 04, 2017, 09:16:19 AM
"Speak softly ['the meek will inherit the Earth'], carry a big stick and have a big dog", should be the expression...

Bears, coyotes, mountain lions, FEMA... A big dog helps.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on January 12, 2017, 12:24:01 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Socrates on January 13, 2017, 01:32:43 AM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/15/article-1366603-0B307F2A00000578-515_634x386.jpg)

I was with the Mormons for 3 years. According to Mormon scripture each member of the church should [most don't bother to...] acquire land in or around Independence Missouri because that's supposed to be safe territory in the 'end times':
(https://www.wedj.com/dj-photo-video.nsf/Missouri.jpg)
Strangely enough, this corresponds pretty well with the above map; compare the location of Independence Mi with the first map and it seems the North-Western part of Missouri should be considered as an option.
(Before Utah, Independence Missouri was the center of Mormon culture; as a 'good Mormon' i came to the U.S.A. and bought 14 acres of land in Jackson County. I wasn't able to keep the land, btw, but obviously all of this made an impression on me back around 2000.)
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on March 04, 2017, 06:38:10 PM
To Whom It may Concern, I finally merged Jimfarmers Topic with Cineruss's Topic.
Jim had started his in Oct 2010 and Cineruss has started one in 2010. I believe his was originally "Safe Locations" and some of the pages had that title.
All the pages now say "Favorable Locations" now, since, "Safe " is a promise we cannot really make.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on March 04, 2017, 06:58:32 PM
Every once in awhile I think of OKLA, some old ancestral connections etc.
Then I remember the frackers just love the fracking place. Check out your potential survival places, here:
http://www.drillingmaps.com/
...

http://www.drillingmaps.com/oklahoma.html 
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on March 04, 2017, 07:27:36 PM
Eastern TN land for sale...

http://www.easttennland.com/
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: MadMax on May 09, 2017, 03:08:39 PM
Imagine what it will be like here when the power goes out ..

Thousands Flee Chicago For Safer Areas Of The Country As America’s Third Largest City Becomes A Gang-Infested Wasteland

In 2016, the number of murders in the city jumped nearly 60 percent to over 760, more than New York and Los Angeles combined. There were more than 4,300 shooting victims in the city last year, according to police.

One particularly stunning figure: net domestic migration, with an estimated 89,000 more people moving from the Chicago area to other portions of the country in the past year than those who moved in.

t is only a matter of time before widespread rioting, looting and civil unrest becomes commonplace in major cities all over the country.  With Donald Trump in the White House, the deep frustration that has been simmering in our inner cities is now reaching a boiling point.  It certainly isn’t going to take much of a spark to set off a tremendous explosion.

In anticipation of what is coming, large numbers of Americans have already been relocating to less populated portions of the country.  And the good news is that there are lots of areas to pick from.  According to Survival Dan, about half of the U.S. population lives in just 146 counties…

    Recent U.S. census data indicates that out of the 3000 counties in the United States, fully 50% of the population lives in just 146. If you want to have any chance of surviving a widespread catastrophic event by avoiding the hordes that will be searching for critical resources in its aftermath, then check out the following map to get a visual reference of the areas you want to stay away from.

Max.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on July 08, 2017, 11:22:04 AM
Here is a remote and isolated spot to ride out the poleshift:
See that small loop in the continental divide in south central Wyoming?

Around the Yampa river; maybe Jones Hole at lat. 40.54, lon. 109.06. (elev. 5036 ft)

See Deerlodge Park in Dinosaur, CO.
 Mailing Address:
 4545 Hwy 40
 Dinosaur, CO 81610
 Phone:
 (435) 781-7700

Maybe around the town of Hayden, Colorado.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on July 08, 2017, 06:44:41 PM
Quote
Around the Yampa river; maybe Jones Hole at lat. 40.54, lon. 109.06. (elev. 5036 ft)

Oops, my mistake.  Jones Hole is on the Green River.  Dangerous location during the pole shift because the Flaming Gorge dam, which is upstream of Jones Hole, will (most likely) burst and send a huge wall of water down the river.

Now, the Yampa river is safer upstream of its' confluence with the Green River, which occurs a short distance down the Green River from Jones Hole.

Also,  Maybell, Colorado, is on the Yampa River upstream of the confluence with the Green River.  The towns of Craig and then Hayden are further up the Yampa.

Elevation of Maybell is 5900 ft.
Elevation of Deerlodge Park is 5600 ft.

Deerlodge Park is between Maybell and the confluence of Yampa and Green rivers.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Jimfarmer on July 08, 2017, 10:07:34 PM
Looking upstream of the Flaming Gorge dam on the Green River, into Wyoming, I don't see any green spots for a survivalist farm.  Not enough rain, and irrigation requires pumps, perhaps.
[ATTACHMENT Owls Nest place on Green River Wyoming USA]

There are two small towns around there on I-80:
Green River
James Town

The Black's Fork river valley looks more promising from a distance.
The town of Granger is there, but I don't see any lawns.
[ATTACHMENT Blacks Fork River Wyoming USA]
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: MadMax on July 09, 2017, 03:38:08 AM
They may have found the ultimate “survival location” ….

LIFE OFF The Grid Meets the Atchleys… the world’s most remote family who live hundreds of miles from civilisation with only hungry bears for company

For the Atchley family, normal life is just a distant memory after 18 years living off the grid in remote Alaska
;D


https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/3974780/meet-the-atchleys-the-worlds-most-remote-family-who-live-hundreds-of-miles-from-civilisation-with-only-hungry-bears-for-company/

FOR many of us, the dream of living a peaceful, self-sufficient life away from it all will always be just that: a dream.

David, Romey, and their 13-year-old son, Sky, are the only people living on their 250-mile stretch of the Nowitna River.

The hippy, weed-loving family have cast off society to carve out their own life, forging a world where only the three of them matter.

Fairbanks, the nearest town, is a 200-mile snowmobile ride away, making your walk to the local Asda look pathetic in comparison to the Atchleys' epic - and dangerous - route to buy groceries.

There are no other people to wind them up, no promotions to chase and definitely no Facebook feeds to check out in the Alaskan wilderness.

There, the prepper family live a life with nothing to worry about... apart from marauding bears, hungry wolves, forest fires, thin ice, disease and the -65 degree temperatures.

The Atchleys are so off-the-grid that they've done away with pesky concepts like standard time, choosing instead to keep their own based on the Alaskan light.

There's no hot water unless you boil it yourself, and natural snow functions as the family's fridge freezer - which they keep stocked with two years' worth of tinned food.

Teenage son Sky, described as a "social experiment" by his dad, is taught everything he needs to know by his parents, who he plans to look after when they get old.

But for now, the family unwind with their son by smoking their way through their homegrown (and legal) supply of weed.

With no internet, the rest of the family's quality time consists of playing nerdy board game Dungeons and Dragons, although Sky also plays video games like GTA.

Max.
Title: Re: Alaska
Post by: Socrates on July 10, 2017, 01:51:31 AM
I doubt conditions will get much worse for these folks, but that's assuming [sic] cosmological effect don't rain down disaster upon them.
Also, i wonder how much they depend on these canned goods they buy from time to time.

Warmer climes [i'm thinking of Mexico etc.] may not provide abundant water [snow, ice, rivers] but do offer the Sun that will allow crops to grow [i mean, if you have some basic permaculture knowhow so you know how to take advantage of seasonal preciptation].

The Atches would have a lot better prospects if they were living in some (ancient) cave (system) so they might survive cosmological and natural disasters that are [i think, potentially] imminent.
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: R.R. Book on January 29, 2018, 06:24:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErRD6gw9Wlw

This film posts a warning list for the most dangerous locations in the U.S. during the Px passage.  Other parameters for locating a place of safety closely parallel what has been stated elsewhere:  100 miles from a nuclear power plant, 150 miles inland, and 600' above sea level.

Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: Yowbarb on February 09, 2018, 02:16:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErRD6gw9Wlw

This film posts a warning list for the most dangerous locations in the U.S. during the Px passage.  Other parameters for locating a place of safety closely parallel what has been stated elsewhere:  100 miles from a nuclear power plant, 150 miles inland, and 600' above sea level.

R.R. thanks very much for posting this.
These danger areas have been on my mind a lot lately...
Title: Re: Favorable locations
Post by: R.R. Book on July 27, 2018, 06:16:40 AM
http://statesatrisk.org/

Interactive U.S. map allowing you to click on locations to learn their major hazard risks.

Referred by:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRqaYu5UOWM
Title: Re: Favorable locations: Avoiding places where the sewage backs up
Post by: R.R. Book on July 27, 2018, 06:28:55 AM
The Centers for Disease Control warns of 10 largest sewage overflows recently:

(https://grist.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/downpours.png)

(https://climatechange.lta.org/wp-content/uploads/cct/2016/09/CSO.jpg)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4KB5JhrUwxl-eQ-en44pP2DxsfXLZQlOUmBGFgvn_N2JpO3W0YQ)