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Title: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on November 28, 2010, 05:39:34 PM
Survivalist's Medicine Chest
Not a large book, just a small 70 page or so pamplet - sizes book. But has a lot of survival type medicine info, which includes vet
medicines for human use. Most of these are the same as human medicines, just packaged for vet use. - ICON

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0873642562/yourownworldusa
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: bk on April 19, 2011, 05:37:00 PM
This might be the same thing

http://www.aussurvivalist.com/downloads/AM%20Final%202.pdf
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: errrv on August 14, 2011, 12:14:40 PM
Also, I have purchased a paramedic bag off amazon and restocked it with my own items. Medicines, antibiotics etc. I spent about $200 and can do quite a lot with the bag contents. I also still have my EMT manuals and medicinal herbs book.
Erv
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: enlightenme on August 14, 2011, 12:59:34 PM
Does anyone know how to obtain a stock of antibiotics? Also, one problem we have in my family is an allergy to penicilin.  Dr.'s have become very strict about prescribing antibiotics around here, and I would really like to be able to put some away.  Does anyone know of a website?
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: errrv on August 14, 2011, 01:24:17 PM
Enlightenme, I purchased the veterinarian kind. You can easily purchase ampicillin & amoxicillin 500mg $25 for 100 tablets. Look on eBay. I've been told you can purchase everything to include z-packs from Canada as well. Make sure you know what antibiotic to prescribe to what symptom though as they can have reverse effects. Also be advised, antibiotics usually give females yeast infections & uti's. Be prepared to treat those as well. I only use antibiotics when fever starts running high & can't be controlled by Tylenol/Morton mix.
Maybe we need a survival medicine thread so we can go over stuff like this and field surgery etc.
Erv
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: errrv on September 12, 2011, 07:23:29 AM
Does anyone know how to obtain a stock of antibiotics? Also, one problem we have in my family is an allergy to penicilin.  Dr.'s have become very strict about prescribing antibiotics around here, and I would really like to be able to put some away.  Does anyone know of a website?

BINGO!
All your needs here:

http://www.easy.md/ (http://www.easy.md/)

Antibiotics, yeast infection, UTI, anti depressants, anti nausea , check with physicians desk reference to check for indicators, contra indications etc. Make sure you aren't allergic to something here before you order. If you aren't sure, keep 25mg tabs or IV administrable fluids on hand to counter act allergens.

Good luck,
Erv
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 12, 2011, 07:35:35 AM
Great link Erv, Thanks  ;)
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: augonit on September 12, 2011, 08:52:47 AM


BINGO!
All your needs here:

http://www.easy.md/ (http://www.easy.md/)

Antibiotics, yeast infection, UTI, anti depressants, anti nausea , check with physicians desk reference to check for indicators, contra indications etc. Make sure you aren't allergic to something here before you order. If you aren't sure, keep 25mg tabs or IV administrable fluids on hand to counter act allergens.

Good luck,
Erv
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That's hilarious, keeping IV fluids on hand!  Like most people would be able to hook you up to something correctly and run it at an appropriate rate, even assuming they have the right equipment.  Just keep some Benadryl on hand.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 12, 2011, 09:07:57 AM
Benadryl does nothing to help rehydrate one, a good first aid or EMT handbook will be well worth the money, now is a good time to learn these things.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: augonit on September 12, 2011, 09:34:44 AM
Of course it doesn't rehydrate.  It's in case you're having an allergic reaction.  Because nobody's going to be able to start an IV.  You can't get IV fluids to put in your prep boxes.  You can't get IV tubing or needles.  You could get by without a pump, but you'll have to know how to make sure you're using an appropriate drip rate.  So we'll have to work with what will be available to people now.  Benadryl for allergic reactions.  If you are dehydrated, you'll have to drink more.  Use Powerade or Gatorade if you need to, but forget about IVs.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: errrv on September 12, 2011, 09:47:00 AM
I've got (2) 500ml lacatae ringers + (2) saline in my first aid kit with tubing & 18 ga catheters. If you know about IVs, you'll know also that you don't need a needle to administer them. Just a tube to shove up the victims anus. Then squeeze the bag until all fluids have been inserted & absorbed by the colon. I have had to use this technique with Ranger students when the core body temp is above 107.0 F and the veins had collapsed. You can also use an enema in this capacity... Especially on small children. Not all the fluid will be absorbed if you use an enema because the input volume is too high.

When the benadryl is utilized in IV fluids, it acts immediately. I only use this it the patient is already hooked up with a drip going.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: chaunska on September 12, 2011, 12:51:50 PM
Does anyone know how to obtain a stock of antibiotics? Also, one problem we have in my family is an allergy to penicillin.  Dr.'s have become very strict about prescribing antibiotics around here, and I would really like to be able to put some away.  Does anyone know of a website?

I posted this in another thread, but this is probably a better place.   Fish antibiotics are identical to human FDA approved antibiotics.  You can find them at vet supply places or on Amazon.  There is Fish-mox = amoxicillin 250mg,  Fish-mox Forte=amoxicillin 500mg,  Fish-flex=keflex, Fish-flex Forte= Keflex 500mg,    Fish-Zole=metronidazole 25mg,   Fish-pen=penicillin 250 mg,   Fish-pen Forte=penicillin 500mg,   Aquatic Doxycycline, Aquatic Ciprofloxacin, Aquatic ampicillin,  Aquadic sulfamethoxazole-trimethoprim (bactrim),  Aqua azithromycin (z-pack).

You can order as much as you want and they are cheaper than Rx.  However, please make sure you educate youself on antibiotic use and use only in life and death situations when the shtf.  Get a current PDR and current pill book.   Remember, that antibiotics can have bad side effects in a shelter situation.     Do not stock any of the doxy or tetracyclines....they become toxic over time.  Doctors don't even prescribe them very often unless they think you have spotted tick fever.   Different antibiotics treat different bacterial infections.   Don't use for ear aches, minor infections and colds....you can fight them off youself and if it's a virus, you are just wasting your meds.  Also, be sure to take a full course so you do not give the bacteria a chance to adapt to the antibiotic, even if you are feeling better.   Bacteria will encapsulate themselves for a time when they detect a threat.   You will be symptom free during this time.   They wait until they can no longer survive encapsulated and you better have antibiotic at full strength at that time to kill them. 

Shelf life is good for 8 to 15 yrs.  for  these with the exception of the cyclines.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: chaunska on September 12, 2011, 02:03:33 PM

That's hilarious, keeping IV fluids on hand!  Like most people would be able to hook you up to something correctly and run it at an appropriate rate, even assuming they have the right equipment.  Just keep some Benadryl on hand.
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   Benadryl will not help with severe allergic reactions.... you need to have adrenalin on hand for that.    If someone feels like they need to stock ringers, and saline they probably also know how to place an IV.   If they don't, it is not hard to learn.     Also, you can get tubing, needles, heplocks, etc. through amazon or vet supply places.   I have them in stock in case of injury or surgery.   This stuff isn't rocket science.    And BahaSuasan is absolutely right....now is the time for people to learn this stuff if they haven't already.   I am surprised that you feel like this skill is difficult to master.   You of all people, with your training you informed me of, should know how easy it is to place an IV in most people.   You can't get an unconscious person to drink fluids and an IV could save their life, especially for bloodloss and shock.   So anyone who is interested in emergency care gear, Amazon is your place...they have cervical collars, airways, tubing, cannula's, O2, splints, O2 masks, catheters, re breathers, ringers, saline, syringes, BP cuffs, sphygmomanometers, even defibrillator machines etc.  If you have the means, it would be good to have some of this stuff in your possession.   I am equipped like a hospital in my shelter.   And I know how to use the stuff.    Learn as much as you can. 
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Willsorr75 on September 12, 2011, 02:31:08 PM
Thx for the info Chaunska. Funny to think you can't get something like this on the web. I'll have to start stocking up. I would think when the SHTF, sooner or later you are going to need some type of antibiotics to live, or someone  you know..
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: errrv on September 12, 2011, 03:13:23 PM
Along with the IVs another awesome thing to have is blood expander. Most fatalities in disasters are caused from blood loss (I'm thinking war disasters here :)). If you can stop the bleeding, you gotta replace those fluids with something that will replace or substitute the plasma. I need to pick up some as well.
Erv

Ps you can also drink the IV fluids to hydrate yourself if you can't get a needle in your own foot etc. Tastes horrible though!
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: enlightenme on September 12, 2011, 05:14:13 PM
Does anyone know how to obtain a stock of antibiotics? Also, one problem we have in my family is an allergy to penicilin.  Dr.'s have become very strict about prescribing antibiotics around here, and I would really like to be able to put some away.  Does anyone know of a website?

BINGO!
All your needs here:

http://www.easy.md/ (http://www.easy.md/)

Antibiotics, yeast infection, UTI, anti depressants, anti nausea , check with physicians desk reference to check for indicators, contra indications etc. Make sure you aren't allergic to something here before you order. If you aren't sure, keep 25mg tabs or IV administrable fluids on hand to counter act allergens.

Good luck,
Erv

Thanks Erv and Chaunska...Both great pieces of info and will take everybody's advice seriously.  I do know not to use antibiotics unless absolutely necessary, but I sure can see it being a real problem not having any when you really need them...Thanks again everyone!
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: chaunska on September 12, 2011, 08:04:16 PM
Does anyone know how to obtain a stock of antibiotics? Also, one problem we have in my family is an allergy to penicillin.  Dr.'s have become very strict about prescribing antibiotics around here, and I would really like to be able to put some away.  Does anyone know of a website?

Sorry I forgot to address this....Any of the"mycins" are good subs for Penicillin, including Azithromycin, Erythromycin, Augmenten, also fluoroquinolones (Cipro) & Lorabid.     Remember all the ones that end in "cillin" might also be ones you need to avoid if you are allergic to penicillin(ampicillin, amoxicillin, etc.)   Also, cephalasporins, are related to the "cillins", so  you might not be able to take those either.    You can do a scratch test to see how you will react.   This is done by scratching you skin with a sterile needle and rubbing an antibiotic, (or anything else you want to test) on to it.   Watch it a while...for 24 hours if possible to see if there is a reaction....ie. swelling, itching, welts, discoloration, fever, etc.    I am allergic to penicillin but I can take Cephlasporins.   So, it is different with everyone.    If in doubt, ask you doctor which antibiotics you and your family are NOT allergic to according to their charts.    A PDR will tell you which antibiotics to take for what illness,  the dosage needed and duration to take it.   
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: errrv on September 12, 2011, 08:17:19 PM
Great advice Chaunska! The Zpaks (Azithro) are given out by the US army for a cure all at the infantry schools... 7 day cycle instead of 10.
:)
Erv
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: errrv on September 13, 2011, 09:37:44 AM
Augonit, once the good stuff runs out, we are back to square one. Everything we deal with is man-made or natural. If man made it, we can make it again. The process may resemble the process used in 1900, but believe it or not, you can make penicillin or anything else for that matter. You just either need the knowledge to do it, or reference manuals on how to do it. I'm not a mechanic, but I rebuilt an engine using a chiltons manual as reference. I put it back in my car, hooked it up, and it ran great!

Human ingenuity is limited only by your desire to do something, or the need to have something. On the car engine... It's the only way I had to get to work & I could not afford to have a mechanic do it. I learned to do it myself, right there, on the spot. It did, however, take a long weekend, and lots of yelling & throwing tools! :)

Erv
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 13, 2011, 09:45:10 AM
Augonit, once the good stuff runs out, we are back to square one. Everything we deal with is man-made or natural. If man made it, we can make it again. The process may resemble the process used in 1900, but believe it or not, you can make penicillin or anything else for that matter. You just either need the knowledge to do it, or reference manuals on how to do it. I'm not a mechanic, but I rebuilt an engine using a chiltons manual as reference. I put it back in my car, hooked it up, and it ran great!

Human ingenuity is limited only by your desire to do something, or the need to have something. On the car engine... It's the only way I had to get to work & I could not afford to have a mechanic do it. I learned to do it myself, right there, on the spot. It did, however, take a long weekend, and lots of yelling & throwing tools! :)

Erv
Very well put Erv  :) We must learn to do for ourselves again.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: chaunska on September 13, 2011, 12:34:39 PM
Augie, the point of having these things on hand and learning to use them are so we can get through the hardest part of this cleansing when disease will be most prevalent, injuries are most likely, and stress is at it's highest.   If you don't have some of this stuff stocked, it will reduce your chances of surviving.   If people don't know how to use them, maybe they will have someone in their shelter who does.   

Maybe instead of asking questions, you should offer solutions to the questions you are asking since you, obviously, think that we are too shortsighted to see this far ahead.  Tell us your knowledge on how to  "primativly" hydrate a person with out the use of intravenous fluids, cure a rattlesnake, brown recluse or blackwidow bite, heal cancer, remove a deep abscess, fix a dental cavity,  boil water without a pot, start a fire with sticks, cure ingested poisoning, make clothes, cure infections, perform a delivery, vaginal or Cesarean, amputate a limb, cure gangrene,  test blood sugar and treat diabetes, suture lacerations with out a packaged suture or sewing kit.   Can you identify the plants you need for cures and treatments in the wild, ones you didn't plant yourself?  Can you treat severe hypothyroidism?  Can you make a bow, arrows, bullets, black powder,  Can you shoot strait?   Can you process what you have killed know what all the parts are used for?  Can you preserve meat without refrigeration or a processed "cure"?  Can you tan a skin and make it usable?  Can you make a portable lodge?  Can you make cordage?  Can you ride or drive a horse?  Can you feed a newborn orphan which is not your own?   Now the big question is....have you done and practiced any of these things?   I have, but it doesn't mean that I don't stock up on as much modern stuff as I can get my hands on. 

My point is, that even though you probably have never done any of the primitive things above, it shouldn't stop you from learning about them, trying them, and attempting to do them in the future. 
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: errrv on September 13, 2011, 12:40:13 PM
Well Chaunska, you have opened up a whole can of worms with that one!!!!

Will you please give us some short classes on all of the above. I'm only versed in about 10% of all that & shaky at best! Share the wealth!
Erv
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: chaunska on September 13, 2011, 01:47:35 PM
Well Chaunska, you have opened up a whole can of worms with that one!!!!

Will you please give us some short classes on all of the above. I'm only versed in about 10% of all that & shaky at best! Share the wealth!
Erv

Should I open a new thread on that?    It could take a while.   But I will be happy too.
Here's the quick version....

#1 hydration...much like you described earlier...an enema made with an animal bladder or stomach, much like the old time water bladders with the cork in the end.

#2 Rattlesnake, brown recluse, black widow cure....Make a poultice with indian carrot (regular carrots work too), purple cone flower root, plantain, and yarrow.   Pound it up good and put it on the bite.   It will draw out and neutralize the poison.   Add supportive treatment, willow bark for fever.

#Skin cancer, poultice of bloodroot and indian carrot

#4Deep abscess  same poultice as  poisonous bites.  When it surfaces, lance it an drain it,  leave wound open to the air.   keep cleaned out.

#5 fix cavities..ream them out with a what ever you can to clean out all grey.  Wash out thoroughly,  with yarrow decotion...pack with clean chalk or calcium....repeat until the cavity is healed.

#6  boil water...put water into bladder.   heat up clean rocks, put them in the water when hot.

#7 Fire  One hard long round hardwood stick, one block of softwood  with a hole on the side of it.   Make loose bow,  and get a hollowed out rock.   Hold the top of the hardwood stick with the hollowed stone on top for you hand, twist the loose bow around the hard wood stick half way down, put the botton of the hardwood stick into the hole in the softwood block with nest and tinder all around and start drilling fast until you see smoke.   pick up your nest and blow on it until you have flame....tinder and kindling come next...all should be right there already to go.

#8 ingested poisoning...make activated charcoal put in in water and drink.

#9 make clothes,,,every one learned this in home ec


#10 delivery....well, mom does most of the work if no complications. C-section-  First prepare everything needed....sutures, rags, fire, boiled water, one hot, one cool,  then..knock out mom   cut horizontally, bikini area into first layer of fat until you see muscle...have some one on hand to cauterize bleeders with red hot piece of metal.  cut vertically  between muscles if possibles on next muscle.   once through all muscles cutting along the grains as much as possible, cut the uterus in the way you can get to it best....others will have to help hold open the muscles. 
Once through the uterus, tear the sack if you have managed not to cut it.   Find baby and try to pull out head first, finger in mouth against hard pallet for "traction"....baby will have a tight squeeze....you will really need to pull, gently but firmly.    Tie off cord in 2 places at 1inch and 2 inches from naval, milk blood toward mom and cut with boiled knife.  Someone else takes and cleans off baby with cool boiled water, suck out any myconium, rub in greesy white stuff.   If placenta starts to pull off of sides of uterus, pull out.   If not, start suturing up mom starting with uterus...use boiled cat gut or any other kind of boiled dried gut.   next, sew muscles back to gether...cut them a little so they start bleeding  first so they will knit.   then sew up skin and go through the fat too...again, cut skin and muscle at this point until they bleed so they will knit.   Massage moms tummy until all placenta and sack is delivered.   Give decotions of blue kohosh to stimulate contractions.   

#11 amputation...before cutting, tourniquet tightly.   pull muscle toward patient, away from where you are cutting the bone or disarticulation a joint.   After getting when the limb is off, reach up with a hook and grab as many vessels as you can and tie off with cat gut.   then stretch skin and tissue around them and suture.

#12Gangrene  open the wound and up in several places to allow o2 in.  Debrid as much dead tissue as possible.    if it isn't too deep and there is circulation, there's a chance...Watch...if it continues to spread, amputation in needed.  Peroxide on hand for this will make chances better.

#13  test sugar...ants...if ants come to urine, it has sugar.   Pumpkin extract to start pancreas up again. 

#14 Sutures. Boiled horse hair, or cat gut.

#15 Hypothyroid treatment.  Save thyroids from animal,  deer, cow, pig are best.   Slice thin and Dry thyroid out.   pound into a powder.   prepare units of small measured amounts.  Start out very small, 1/4 grain if you have a very small pharmacy scale.   Increase 1/4 of a grain  at a time every 5 days until pt becomes hyper, then drop back a !/4 grain to maintenance dose.

#16  Meat,  slice thin strips, place in sun over smoke until dried out.

#17 New born baby.   Nurse the baby ALOT.  Bond with and love the baby, he or she is yours to care for, your child.  Supplement the baby with bland foods and water that you chew up to watery mush and slowly spit it tiny amounts into the babies mouth...always have the baby at the breast trying to nurse.   Within a few hours to days, you will produce milk.   Men will too.  It is all in the bonding process and love that issues the body to produce the correct hormones for lactation.   Primates still do this.

The rest of these thing have to be demonstrated more thoroughly...I will address them if you want me too, but they will need time to explain.   

Feel free to ask detailed question...I will try to get to them the best I can....Research on your own may be more efficient. 


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Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: errrv on September 13, 2011, 01:57:57 PM
AWESOME!!!!
Thanks Chaunska. I am taking copious notes!
Erv
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on September 13, 2011, 02:01:28 PM
To address the IV stuff, because I really only skimmed some of the responses.  I do think starting an IV is hard to master for people with little training and no real experience.  Just because you took a two day course on first aid doesn't mean you'll be able to do this in a real emergency.  And yes, perhaps today, right now, you may order some supplies, but how many months until they expire 6, 3?  I wouldn't order any of that stuff online.  I wouldn't trust how accurate it really is.  And then the thing I try and try to get people to think of is let's say it's ten months into "the aftertime" and you've gone through all your IV stuff, they've expired, whatever, anyway you have nothing.  Then how do you expect to do all your fancy IV techniques?  I don't want, or expect replies to this.  I'm trying to get people to think of what they would do when they can't go to the store or order online for all categories of survival, not just this one.  The answer everyone would come up with is "I have my supplies".  great.  But my question is again, how will you handle a situation after your supplies are gone?  For some reason I feel people think they will never run out of supplies or we will be fairly back to normal and they can get more.


Hello Augie  :) All I can say is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness and that is what we all are trying to do here. I understand your concerns, including the expired drugs or the fact someone might not be able to give a shot or stitch up a wound. We should cross those bridges when the time comes, meanwhile we still get the supplies...
All we can do is post up our good ideas, such as Chauska has done, and all try to learn from one another here. Then we make whatever preparations we can.
Even if it is one bottle of penicillin it could save a close relative or friend's life. Even saying one person's life even temporarily who knows what a good effect that could create?  Suppose we save the life of one man who is totally schooled in weaponry, security and all manner of survival techniques. That is money well spent in the over all survival chances of that group.
Perhaps it is dehydration medicine for the few children in the group, and we manage to save them...
Well I know you already know this, just sharing some thoughts,  :)
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: enlightenme on September 13, 2011, 02:51:05 PM
Does anyone know how to obtain a stock of antibiotics? Also, one problem we have in my family is an allergy to penicillin.  Dr.'s have become very strict about prescribing antibiotics around here, and I would really like to be able to put some away.  Does anyone know of a website?

Sorry I forgot to address this....Any of the"mycins" are good subs for Penicillin, including Azithromycin, Erythromycin, Augmenten, also fluoroquinolones (Cipro) & Lorabid.     Remember all the ones that end in "cillin" might also be ones you need to avoid if you are allergic to penicillin(ampicillin, amoxicillin, etc.)   Also, cephalasporins, are related to the "cillins", so  you might not be able to take those either.    You can do a scratch test to see how you will react.   This is done by scratching you skin with a sterile needle and rubbing an antibiotic, (or anything else you want to test) on to it.   Watch it a while...for 24 hours if possible to see if there is a reaction....ie. swelling, itching, welts, discoloration, fever, etc.    I am allergic to penicillin but I can take Cephlasporins.   So, it is different with everyone.    If in doubt, ask you doctor which antibiotics you and your family are NOT allergic to according to their charts.    A PDR will tell you which antibiotics to take for what illness,  the dosage needed and duration to take it.   

Thanks again for this and your most recent informative post - Great information. From experience and raising the kids, I did know to stay away from all the 'cillins", I'm going to stock up on the azithromyacin (Z pack) for us allergy problematic ones and just some general generics for the rest from that website.
     
I'm also getting a First Aid Book and a newer PDR if possibble (mine is so outdated).  I'm also praying there's still enough time for all this stuff, I still have a ways to go before I will feel that I am truly well stocked and somewhat prepared.  I just wish I had half the knowledge that you and Erv have, then I wouldn't be feeling quite so inadequate and nervous right now.  Let's hope and pray all stays calm atleast awhile longer yet. What a comfort and blessing it would be to have someone like you and Erv around once the SHTF (or atleast a way to still communicate with you guys/everybody here when that time comes)  As always, thanks again everybody....
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: errrv on September 13, 2011, 03:09:40 PM
Thanks enlightenme. I only truly know the trauma side of things. I went to the EMT course, Paramedic Course, ranger first responder course, tactical casualty care course. Nowhere in any of those do you treat basic sickness. I'm really trying to absorb as much of that as I can right now. I know combat surgery too, but the surgery I know is supposed to be fixed up at a later time by a real surgeon. Right now my priority is to find out how to do "lasting" field medicine. Not just quick fixer uppers!
Erv

Please excuse it Erv I meant to hit the quote button and instead hit modify and posted in your post. Look farther on for my post to ya.
YB
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: chaunska on September 14, 2011, 11:31:32 AM
okay, I know this isn't truly "medicine", but  I talked earlier about making cordage, and cordage is a good thing to have, even in your medicine stock.  Some of the best cordage can be made from human hair.   Human hair is stronger that steel.   I don't have any videos made of me doing this, but if you google "making cordage"  you see basically do just substitute hair for the plant fibers.    Humans loose 50 to 80 hairs every day.   Brush your hair often to collect it.   Save it, pull out like carding wool and start the process of twisting.  Very short hair won't work very well, but if it is 8 inches or longer, you can make good strong cordage.   Shorter hair won't be as strong, but you can use it for things that don't require a lot of strength.  I have very long hair, so it is very strong and making it a little faster.   So here are some pictures of my hair made into corgage.  The stick is 48" long and that length took two brush fulls or hair.
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Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 14, 2011, 11:36:47 AM
GREAT info to know, Thank You
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: errrv on September 14, 2011, 11:50:48 AM
Chaunska, the girl in the green 4H shirt looks just like my oldest daughter!
Erv
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on September 16, 2011, 06:25:45 AM
Thanks enlightenme. I only truly know the trauma side of things. I went to the EMT course, Paramedic Course, ranger first responder course, tactical casualty care course. Nowhere in any of those do you treat basic sickness. I'm really trying to absorb as much of that as I can right now. I know combat surgery too, but the surgery I know is supposed to be fixed up at a later time by a real surgeon. Right now my priority is to find out how to do "lasting" field medicine. Not just quick fixer uppers!
Erv

Erv have you had any field experience with this drug, Rocephin? My personal experience and that of one of my daughters, is it is one heck of a good drug.
I once was sick suddenly and went to a clinic they gave me  shot of roceprin and it kicked the ____ out of whatever
was wrong. I got well fast. Another time, same thing. One of my daughters too. It works on a variety of things...
Lyme disease etc.

- Yowbarb

Rocephin (Ceftriaxone Injection)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000848/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000848/)
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: chaunska on September 16, 2011, 08:30:36 AM
We used to give Rocephin in peds. when other antibiotics weren't working.    We always reconstituted it with Lidocane because it is a pretty nasty shot to give.   In adults it is usually get a z-track injection in the hip above the glute off to the side a bit.   In peds, we always gave it in the vastis lateralis. (off to the side of the thigh).  It covers many bacterial infections.  It would be good to get a hold of.   Lidocain is the hard thing to obtain.   I haven't looked into vet use Rocephin....I think I'll do that later today.   It is considered a pretty heavy duty drug.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: errrv on September 16, 2011, 03:50:56 PM
Rocephin is a drug used by Group guys in third world countries.
Erv
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: chaunska on September 16, 2011, 07:37:58 PM
Another thing good to have in the medicine chest is colodial silver.  Not nano silver...those particles are too big.   Meso Silver is what I use.   It has worked well on MRSA infections.   Can be taken internally for illness too.   After internal treatment, it is important to replace the normal flora in your gut with probiotics. 
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on May 22, 2013, 10:07:26 PM
Rocephin is a drug used by Group guys in third world countries.
Erv

It can be ordered here along with hundreds of other drugs:  http://www.rx2world.com/default.asp

As I said before it really helped me a lot...
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on May 22, 2013, 10:08:19 PM
http://www.rx2world.com/default.asp  I have ordered colchicine here. Good stuff. They have two generic versions. I recommend the colchicum from Turkey.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on June 07, 2013, 11:22:52 PM
SHTF Medical Tip of the Day: The Fascinating Healing Power of Honey (Natural Remedy Week)
 Honey is much more than a topping for biscuits, it is quite possibly the first medicine early man collected.
 Check out the article here-
http://www.therebelpreppernetwork.com/honey/

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Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on June 22, 2013, 06:09:14 AM
Info from Member Natalie Wright:


Survival Friday: 21 Home Remedies for a Toothache

June 21, 2013  Gaye Levy

"Most of us have made some provision for first aid care in the event of a disaster or other emergency.  But how many of us have prepared for a dental emergency? Having an unexpected  toothache, abscess or gum problem is something that indeed happens from time to time.

The only time I have had a major toothache was when I was away from home and nowhere near a dentist.  Luckily, I had some clove oil in my first aid kit and that got me through until I returned home and had a root canal.  Still, it was hardly what I would call a fun experience and something I wish I could have avoided in the first place.

When a dental emergency occurs and it is in the middle of the night, you are away from home, or are in the middle of a SHTF situation, it is time to turn to some tried and and true home remedies to get you through.   These are old fashioned remedies that, when coupled with a practical application of essential oils, will mean the difference between suffering in pain or simply dealing with a mild annoyance.

So what are some of those home remedies?

This week I am sharing some 21 home remedies for a toothache that have been compiled by my colleague ‘Above Average’ Joe at SurvivalLife.com.  In addition, I am sharing a suggestion or two for dealing with a tooth that shatters, chips or breaks or at an inopportune time, namely when there is no dentist around to fix it."


21 HOME REMEDIES FOR A TOOTHACHE

You can’t schedule a toothache and it never fails that a major toothache hits when it’s late at night and your dentist’s office is closed, or you’re somewhere remote and getting to a dentist any time soon is just not an option.

Anyone who has ever had the misfortune of a toothache knows that it is not just your mouth that hurts.  A toothache can be felt in just about every part of your body.  I have had a few so bad that they made me sick to my stomach from the pain alone.

Although in most cases only a doctor can cure the source of the problem, this list of treatments & pain relief remedies should get you through until you can visit the dentist.

It is important to note: If you have a toothache, there is a reason for it and it’s best to have it taken care of by a professional as soon as possible, rather than having it treated at home in hopes that the underlying issue will go away on its own. If it’s infected (if your gum area is swollen), don’t delay in getting professional medical care.

Directions: Apply the below remedies directly to both the problem tooth and surrounding gums unless otherwise directed.

For items that direct you to chew, or for liquids that are to be swished around inside mouth, direct the liquid on and around the sore tooth as much as possible.

Do not swallow liquids. Rinse your mouth and spit them out when done.

1.  Salt Water: Mix a heaping tablespoon full of salt in a small glass of warm water; swirl around inside your mouth for as long as you can, spit out. Repeat as needed.

2.  Hydrogen Peroxide: Swoosh a bit of hydrogen peroxide. If the taste is too horrid for you, try diluting with a bit of water.

3.  Alcohol: Swoosh a bit of whiskey, scotch, brandy or vodka. A strong mouthwash that contains alcohol will do the trick too.

4.  Vanilla Extract: Saturate a cotton ball with vanilla and hold in place. Can also use a cotton swab dipped in extract.  Other extracts that have the same effect are:

Almond Extract
 Peppermint Extract
 Lemon Extract

5.  Tea Tree Oil: Just a drop or two will do the trick. You can also add some to a cotton swab and hold in place or add a few drops of tea tree oil to a small glass of lukewarm to warm water and rinse your mouth with it.

6.  Oil Of Oregano: Mix a few drops with a bit of olive oil, then saturate a cotton ball with mixture. Can replace the olive oil with lukewarm water if preferred.

7.  Apple Cider Vinegar: Soak a cotton ball with apple cider vinegar (ACV) and hold it in place. Can also try regular household vinegar.

8.  Ginger Root: Take a fresh piece of ginger and chew it a bit.

9.  Garlic: Take a clove of garlic, smash it and apply (settle it inside cheek). You can also mash some garlic with salt.

10.  Peppermint Leaves: Chew on fresh peppermint leaves. You can also dried leaves, just hold them in place.

11.  Potato: Cut a fresh piece of potato (raw, skin off) and hold in place. Can also pound a piece of raw potato, mix in a bit of salt and use the mash.

12.  Lime: Cut a slice or wedge of lime and apply, bite into it if you can to release some of the juice.

13.  Onion: Slice a piece of fresh onion and hold it inside your mouth. The onion needs to be freshly cut (so it provides a bit of onion juice).

14.  Plantain: Chew up a fresh plantain leaf. If you’re too sore to chew, use the other side of your mouth. Once the leaf is macerated a bit apply it to the problem area and hold in place.

15.  Cucumber: Slice a fresh piece of cucumber and hold it over the sore area. If refrigerated, you might want to bring the cucumber to room temperature before using (if sensitive to cold) otherwise a cool piece can be soothing.You can also mash a piece with a bit of salt and pack it around the sore tooth.

16.  Cayenne Pepper: Make a paste with cayenne pepper and water.

17.  Black Pepper: You can use this full strength or make a mix of pepper and salt.

18.  Baking Soda: Take a cotton swab and moisten it with a bit of water, dip it in baking soda (coat the swab really well with baking soda) then apply. You can also make a mouth rinse by mixing a heaping spoonful of baking soda in a small glass of lukewarm to warm water, dissolve the soda then swish the mixture in your mouth.

Clove oil

19.  Cloves: This is remedy from the old timers (my great grandparents), rest a clove against the sore area until pain goes away. You can also use a drop or two of clove oil (BE CAREFUL: too much can be toxic) or make a thick paste of ground cloves and water or ground cloves and olive oil.

20.  Tea: Make a fresh cup of tea then take the used tea bag (still warm) and stick it in your mouth. Careful not to tear the bag. The tannins that are naturally in tea leaves can help numb things.

21.  Ice Pack: Cover an ice pack with a face cloth or towel then hold over your cheek where the problem is. This will help numb things. Make sure that you have some type of cloth between your skin and the ice, otherwise you can severely damage your skin.If that doesn’t work, try the opposite–a hot compress (making sure that it is not so hot as to scald your skin).

Tips

If the pain is unbearable and there’s no dentist available, call your local hospital’s emergency room–chances are they have a dentist on call that can treat you (for a fee of course).

Try gently brushing your teeth and flossing–this might bring some relief.

One old time remedy that you should not follow is to place an aspirin against the sore tooth.  You will have just as much if not more of an effect by swallowing the aspirin.  Aspirin is actually an acid (acetylsalicylic acid to be exact) and placing it directly against your gums or teeth will cause corrosion of your teeth and acid burns on your gums.

If the side of your face is in severe pain and it feels like you’re going to lose your mind (I’ve been there, done that)–it could be a sinus infection or an allergy that affects your sinuses rather than a problem tooth (even though it definitely feels like it).  Try taking a decongestant or if that is not available, a shower set on the hottest setting may help clear your sinus cavities. This might help relieve things until you get to a doctor. Chances are a prescription antibiotic is what you’ll need to clear up the sinus infection.

If it is a sinus infection please don’t wait to get it taken care of!  I have permanent damage to my left eardrum from a sinus infection that became so congested it literally burst my eardrum as a pressure relief valve.

Please be aware: These are notes I have collected in my personal life over the years, in my own research as well as tips gathered from my grandparents and great grandparents.

They are not by any means professional medical advice and a trained dentist should always be contacted as soon as possible.

About Joe

A little about me (‘Above Average’ Joe): I am just an average guy with a passion for learning. .I am excited to share the things I learn with you but I am most interested in learning from you. Survival Life is more than just one man. It is a growing and living community of individuals; all with the desire to be prepared to survive and thrive no matter what this world throws at us. I want to welcome you to the Survival Life community and look forward to growing with you! Thank you, Gaye, for inviting me to share the Survival Life with your readers!

MY TOOTH JUST BROKE -  NOW WHAT?

Stuff happens.  Sometimes a tooth will actually shatter or chip.  Sometimes a major piece of it will actually break off.  What then?

If you are not experiencing any pain, you can take an emery board (nail file) and gently smooth away the rough edges of the tooth. On the other hand, if you are experiencing pain or hot and cold sensitivity, try applying some of the home remedies above plus an application of Sensodyne toothpaste to the affected area.  That plus some Tylenol of Ibuprofen will get you by until you have an opportunity to see a dental professional.

THE FINAL WORD

In addition to these suggestions, I encourage you to pick a copy of “Where There Is No Dentist”.  This highly regarded book will teach you how to be your own dentist.  An electronic copy is available for $4 at the Hesperian website or you can pick up a print or Kindle copy on Amazon.

It also would not hurt to have a week’s supply of antibiotics on had.  Check with your doctor or dentist about an emergency prescription or pick up some fish antibiotics which are the same thing and can be used for extreme emergency purposes.  For more information on the use of antibiotics, read How to Stockpile Antibiotics for Long Term Survival.

Finally, remember that if you are in extreme pain and there is a doctor available, do not be shy.  Every doctor I know is willing to treat the pain and if applicable, an infection, until a dental professional is available.

Enjoy your next adventure through common sense and thoughtful preparation!

Gaye

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•The Miracle of Tea Tree Oil: 80 Amazing Uses for Survival
•How to Stockpile Antibiotics for Long Term Survival
•40 Items to Barter in a Post-Collapse World

Bargain Bin:  Today I am featuring an assortment of essential oils that are reasonably priced and available online with free shipping at Amazon.  I have used the NOW brand and am completely satisfied with the quality, and of course, the fact that they are affordable. I also have links to other items related to this article.

NOW Foods Tea Tree Oil:  With strong antiseptic and germicidal properties, the leaf of the tea tree had a long history of use by the indigenous peoples of Australia before tea tree was “discovered” by the crew of the famous English explorer James Cook. The aroma of the oil is warm, spicy, medicinal and volatile

NOW Foods Oregano Oil:  Oregano has a strong, herbaceous, green-camphoraceous, medicinal top note. The middle note is spicy, medicinal. The dry out is sweet-phenolic woody, bitter-sweet. Oregano essential oil is invigorating, purifying and uplifting.

NOW Foods Clove Oil:  Clove oil has a powerful, spicy-fruity, warm, sweet aroma. It is extremely effective for mitigating tooth and gum pain.

NOW Foods Orange Oil: More sweet orange oil is produced than any other citrus oil.  It has a lively, fruity, sweet aroma and is refreshing and uplifting.

NOW Foods Lavender Oil:  Lavender oil is my personal favorite.  It can be used in salves and skin lotions  or directly on the skin, right out of the bottle. It has a sweet, balsamic, floral aroma which combines well with many oils including citrus, clove, patchouli, rosemary, clary sage and pine. Its benefits include balancing, soothing, normalizing, calming, relaxing, and healing.

NOW Foods Peppermint Oil:  Peppermint has a powerful, sweet, menthol aroma that works beautifully in DIY cleaners.

Now Foods Rosemary Oil:  Rosemary is known as the herb of remembrance. The plant produces an almost colorless essential oil with a strong, fresh, camphor aroma. It’s used in  household sprays and  disinfectants.

Where There Is No Dentist:  Community health workers, educators and individuals from around the world use this book to help people care for their teeth and gums.  The author uses straightforward language and careful instructions to explain how to: examine patients; diagnose common dental problems; make and use dental equipment; use local anesthetics; place fillings; and remove teeth.

Dent’s Toothache Gum:  This is not a chewing gum but more of a filler for a cracked tooth or missing filling.  Cheap, too.

Sensodyne:  This stuff really works to relieve tooth sensitivity




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Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Jimfarmer on June 22, 2013, 10:43:08 AM
I have stopped toothache several times with a small slice of garlic wrapped in light cloth and left overnight between gum and cheek.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on June 27, 2013, 03:31:40 PM
I have stopped toothache several times with a small slice of garlic wrapped in light cloth and left overnight between gum and cheek.

That's a great thing to know. Thanks, Jim.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on August 12, 2013, 06:36:21 AM
http://www.shtfpreparedness.com/how-to-make-your-own-first-aid-antiseptic-ointment/

How To Make Your Own First Aid Antiseptic Ointment

By shtfprepardness on August 11, 2013

For treating minor cuts, scraps, abrasions and whatnot, a lot of people like to use Neosporin or other antiseptic ointments, but did you know that instead of wasting $5 to $10 on ointment, you can make your own DIY antiseptic ointment.
This homemade antiseptic ointment is packed with germ-killing properties that will help treat those everyday minor cuts, scraps, and abrasions you might have, and best of all, it’s really easy to make. See how to make this below

For treating minor cuts, scraps, abrasions and whatnot, a lot of people like to use Neosporin or other antiseptic ointments, but did you know that instead of wasting $5 to $10 on ointment, you can make your own DIY antiseptic ointment. This homemade antiseptic ointment is packed with germ-killing properties that will help treat those everyday minor cuts, scraps, and abrasions you might have, and best of all, it’s really easy to make.

Here’s all you need:
   1 1/2 ounces beeswax, grated
   1 cup olive, almond, or coconut oil
   1/4 teaspoon vitamin E oil
   1/2 teaspoon tea tree oil
   20 drops lavender essential oil
   10 drops lemon essential oil

Ointment Recipe Directions:
1. In a small pot, and melt the oils (except the lavender and lemon essential oils) and beeswax using low heat (very low heat).
2. Remove pot from the heat and add Vitamin E oil, lemon, and lavender essential oil. Stir with a chopstick or a small wooden spoon.
3. Pour the mixture into a small sterilized jar(s) (or a mason jar). Then let stand and cool on the counter.
4. Store it in a dark cool place. When needed, use as needed on the wound(s). It should keep for roughly 5 years.
The antiseptic properties include:
   Tea tree oil: antibiotic, anti-fungal, antiviral, antibacterial
   Lavender: analgesic (pain relief), antibiotic, anti-fungal, antiviral, and antibacterial
   Lemon: antibiotic, antifungal, antiviral, antibacterial

*For those who don’t like the smell of lavender, you can substitute chamomile essential oils for lavender and fir essential oils for lemon.
**Note: you can buy all of these items at your local health food store**

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Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on August 12, 2013, 10:22:20 AM
http://knowledgeweighsnothing.com/asthma-attack-without-an-inhaler-9-steps-that-could-save-your-life/

This survival-medicine website provides general information, not individual advice. Most scenarios assume the victim cannot get expert medical help. Please see the disclaimer.

Asthma Attack Without an Inhaler: 9 Steps That Could Save Your Life

Coffee and tea contain a chemical similar to the old asthma medicine theophylline. The amount may be too small to do much prevention, but they could be worth a try. (See step 7.)

by James Hubbard, M.D., M.P.H.

I’ve never had a patient die of an asthma attack while I’m treating them, but a few have come close. I’ll never forget their desperate looks, their not being able to breath in enough air, and the relief that comes over them (and me) get when the attack is over.

Although asthma is a serious disease (over 3,000 asthmatics die in the U.S. each year), I see fewer and fewer people having severe attacks these days because of the array of excellent medications available. But what would you do if you had an asthma attack without an inhaler? What steps could you take to prevent or treat one when all the prescription medicines were gone?

Sonya asked it another way on my Facebook page: “Are there any natural cures for asthma flair-ups?”

The short answer is there’s nothing natural that works as well as prescription medicines for asthma. Over-the-counter Primatene Mist used to be a sort-of alternative—fraught with side effects—but it’s off the market.

Even so, there are a few things that may help. Here are nine suggestions for how to prevent or treat an asthma attack without an inhaler. You need to start preparing now.

1. Know what triggers your attacks.
•Smoking is a given. You must stop, and avoid secondhand smoke if at all possible.
•Allergies are another big trigger. Find what you’re allergic to and avoid it. Allergy medicines may help prevent an attack. One that’s often overlooked but effective is the over-the-counter nasal inhaler chromolyn sodium (NasalCrom). Oral antihistamines can also help, but they can dry up the mucus-membrane lining of your lungs too much and make some people’s asthma worse. As always, check with your doctor.
•Exercise is a common trigger. Warming up slowly may help.
•Emotional stress can be a trigger. Learn relaxation techniques.

2. Learn breathing techniques. There’s promising evidence from some small studies that proper-breathing exercises may help prevent attacks. These techniques take days to weeks to learn properly. Check with your doctor for guidance. The three generally recommended are:
•Buteyko technique
•Papworth method
•Pranayama yoga breathing

3. Maintain a healthy weight, and exercise regularly. Both have been shown to help prevent attacks.

4. Eat fruits and vegetables for antioxidants that can boast your immunity, and fish or fish oil for its anti-inflammatory effect.

5. Drink plenty of water to keep the lining of your lungs hydrated.

6. Cover your nose and mouth around smoke and other air irritants, and in cold weather.

7. Consider drinking coffee or tea. Both contain a chemical similar to the old asthma medicine theophylline. (These days, there’s usually better medicine with fewer side effects, but theophylline worked.) Many doctors deduce, however, that the amounts in these drinks are too small to do much good, but seems to me they’re worth a try. Don’t go overboard. You’re probably drinking a cup or two a day already, and that’s plenty.

8. Store the over-the-counter oral decongestant pseudoephedrine (Sudafed). It may help during an attack. Be sure to know its potential side effects, such as increasing your heart rate and blood pressure, and causing urinary problems in anyone with an enlarged prostate.

9. Here’s a must. Keep epinephrine, like an Epipen, on hand. Sure it works for allergic reactions, but it works for asthma attacks without an inhaler too. Of course, get to a medical facility, but if that’s not possible, have epinephrine around for emergencies. If all else fails, it could be a lifesaver.

Please, ask your doctor before trying any of these things. Never use these as an alternative to prescription medicines. Don’t risk your life.

If you’ve tried the breathing exercises, I’d love to know how they’ve worked for you—that and any further suggestions to deal with an asthma attack without an inhaler that I’ve left off.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on October 09, 2013, 02:45:20 PM
This may not be the best place to post this, but it is useful info. A lot of info on tetanus.
Not sure if people can purchase tetanus shot supplies to administer it themselves...
- Yowbarb
...

http://www.thesurvivaldoctor.com/2013/10/09/tetanus-shot/  The Survival Doctor  Tetanus

This survival-medicine website provides general information, not individual advice. Most scenarios assume the victim cannot get expert medical help. Please see the disclaimer.
How Dangerous Is Tetanus Really? 10 FAQs

by James Hubbard, MD, MPH
Over the years I’ve given my share of tetanus shots. And over the years, I’ve noticed that while most people know they need one on occasion, they’re just not sure when or, in fact, what the shot really prevents. I thought I’d provide my take and answer a few FAQs.
Q: What does a tetanus shot do?
A: A tetanus shot, tetanus vaccine, lockjaw shot, or whatever you call it does one thing. It keeps you from getting the tetanus infection. That’s it. It does not keep the wound from getting infected by any other much more common bacteria or anything else.
Q: What is tetanus?
A: Tetanus is a disease caused by a bacterium called clostridium tetani, which is found in dirt and manure. The bacteria gets into your body via a wound and produces a toxin that causes all the symptoms, such as fever and muscle spasms. The spasms can be severe enough to break bones and cause trouble breathing or swallowing. This trouble with the throat and mouth gives tetanus its nickname, lockjaw.
Q: Is tetanus deadly?
A: The disease is severe but not always fatal. In fact, even untreated, about 60 or 70 percent of people who get it recover, but it can take months. With modern treatment in a hospital intensive care unit, the mortality rate drops to about 10 percent. Still, that’s pretty significant, I’d say.
Q: How common is tetanus?
A: In the United States there are now only about 30 documented cases of tetanus each year, but worldwide there are about 10,000. The difference seems to be proper cleaning methods and the use of the vaccine.
Q: What are some additional ways to prevent tetanus?
A: Good cleaning of a wound can decrease your chances of getting tetanus. Antibiotics can kill the bacteria but apparently not effectively or fast enough to keep it from producing the toxin.
Q: How does the tetanus shot work?
A: If the bacteria stay in your system—and it only takes a few to produce enough toxin—the only really effective way to treat tetanus disease is by preventing it from ever getting a good hold on you. That’s done by giving the tetanus shot. This vaccine prompts you to produce antibodies against the toxin. The vaccination consists of a base series of shots followed by a booster every five to 10 years.
Q: What if I get a wound but haven’t kept up with my tetanus boosters?
A: You may need a different type of shot called tetanus immune globulin. This shot contains ready-to-go antibodies (your body doesn’t have to produce them) to the toxin that are directly injected into your system. The problem is, these antibodies go away pretty fast, so to have antibodies on hand for future use, you’ll need the vaccine series and boosters as well.
Even if you’ve kept up with your boosters, you also may still need this tetanus immune globulin shot if the wound is particularly deep or dirty, or if it’s a puncture wound or crush injury.
Although some wounds are at higher risk, the fact is any wound or scratch can potentially result in tetanus. You can’t just rely on taking the immune globulin when you think you’re exposed. You need antibodies in your system all the time—by taking the immunization series and keeping up with the boosters. And a cut or puncture wound is a good reminder to make sure you’re up-to-date.
Q: How quickly does tetanus kick in?
A: After you’ve been infected with clostridium bacteria, tetanus symptoms typically start three to 21 days later. If you need a booster, you should get it as soon as you can after getting a wound, but if it’s a problem to get it right away, most would say try to get it within three days of your injury.
Q: Does the tetanus shot have any side effects?
A: As with any medicine or vaccine there is the potential for side effects, but severe ones are rare. What’s not rare is a sore arm the day after the shot. Sometimes there is a little fever. That should go away in a few days. Meantime, you can consider taking some ibuprofen or acetaminophen if you think you need it.
Q: I’d never take a vaccine! Will the doctor try to force me to?
A: For those of you who are anti-vaccine, even tetanus shots, please don’t let that delay you from seeking other treatments, such as stitches, for the wound. No doctor or medical facility can force you into any treatment you don’t want. They may ask you to sign a paper for liability reasons, but if you’d rather take the risk of getting the disease, that’s your option.
What about you? What has been your experience with tetanus shots?
 
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Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on October 10, 2013, 08:00:41 AM
Yowbarb Note:
Some people feel no petroleum-based product should be used on humans or animals. Also: There is a caution, posted under #12 in the article. "According to WebMD, there have been a few complications in children when Vicks is used inappropriately. A few children reacted negatively and ended up hospitalized when Vicks was applied directly under the nose. Though this is extremely rare and only happens to those who are sensitive to Vicks, consumers should use caution when applying it to the face or on young children."

Yowbarb Note, continued: I say just don't put it under a small child's nostril or on his face. Use caution. IMHO feel the benefits probably outweigh the risks. It loosens congestion, which can be a real life-saver and help the body's immune response to (not) escalate into asthma etc. It helps block allergens and foreign substances if a bit is places on the nostrils. for me it has an immediate relaxing effect on the lungs, when it feels like I may be going into a copd. I didn't use in in earlier years, for regular use but I have used it in past few few and I have not had to go to the ER. It's helped me a lot.
It's up to you. Something to think about when meds will be in scarce supply and you need to help someone in your survival group. Even people in normal health occasionally have a bad cold or whooping cough, which can be scary and it helps to soothe it with the Vicks. I get the generic form, too.
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This is from reThinkSurvival:  "Just a few of these uses alone are worth having Vicks Vaporub take up a little bit of shelf space in my medicine cabinet. The personal uses alone are fantastic, but imagine what it would be worth in a barter economy to someone with a sick family member."

"Can you think of any other uses that may have been missed?"
...

12 Surprising Reasons To Keep Vicks VapoRub In Your Cache (link) -

http://rethinksurvival.com/posts/12-surprising-reasons-to-keep-vicks-vaporub-in-your-cache-link/

Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Endtimesgal_2012 on October 10, 2013, 04:06:38 PM
I am the oldest of nine children, and all of us grew up with vicks being used for colds, sore throats, etc.  And I used it on my own three children and they used it on all their children and none of us ever had a reaction.  It is a lifesaver.  We also used it in humidifiers in the child's sickroom at night.  Works great and is very soothing.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Willsorr75 on October 11, 2013, 08:28:46 AM
My wife has always put it on our kids chest which is still close enough for them to receive the benefits.... I've always asked her not  to put it on their faces because of all the stuff you read about it being close to their nose or mouth, but we just vics a lot. Even in when they take a bath we get the vicks bath bubbles.... The kids love it... Four kids later and no adverse effects...
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on October 11, 2013, 12:44:38 PM
My wife has always put it on our kids chest which is still close enough for them to receive the benefits.... I've always asked her not  to put it on their faces because of all the stuff you read about it being close to their nose or mouth, but we just vics a lot. Even in when they take a bath we get the vicks bath bubbles.... The kids love it... Four kids later and no adverse effects...

That's good to know.
I know my mom used to put it on my chest when I was little...I had pneumonia and stuff too often...
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on May 22, 2015, 11:54:35 PM
Two books on medicinal plants of the desert and how to prepare them,
Yowbarb
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Title: Medicinal Plants of the Desert and Canyon West: A Guide to Identifying, Preparing, and Using Traditional Medicinal Plants Found in the Deserts and Canyons of the West and Southwest [Paperback]

Michael Moore (Author), Mimi Kamp (Illustrator), Nora Ryerson (Illustrator)

ISBN-10: 0890131821
Amazon Prime
Amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/Medicinal-Plants-Desert-Canyon-West/dp/0890131821/ref=pd_sim_b_3
........
ALSO:

Prickly Pear Cactus Medicine: Treatments for Diabetes, Cholesterol, and the Immune System [Paperback]
Ran Knishinsky (Author)

ISBN-10: 0892811498
Amazon Prime
Amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/Prickly-Pear-Cactus-Medicine-Cholesterol/dp/0892811498/ref=sr_1_40?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252965108&sr=1-40
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on May 22, 2015, 11:58:30 PM
Book: Survivalist's Medicine Chest 

Survivalist's Medicine Chest
Not a large book, just a small 70 page or so pamplet - sizes book. But has a lot of survival type medicine info, which includes vet
medicines for human use. Most of these are the same as human medicines, just packaged for vet use. - ICON

Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on September 30, 2016, 02:02:25 AM
SURVIVALIST MEDICINE!! AMK Field Trauma Kit  6:56 

https://youtu.be/VHaIWm2gjrA?list=PL0k3RlelrDPb0702_hz3PJO_hvJFq9tW_

Published on Jan 11, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4YOBmzRey4X3lLCjhw3UaQ Blackscout Survival you tube channel
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on September 30, 2016, 02:12:20 AM
DrBones NurseAmy You Tube Channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC729rp0OuiDlQUtlmJJfsyg

Survival Medicine Medium Trauma Bag by Nurse Amy

https://youtu.be/gAv6MZvP574

Published on Aug 16, 2012
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on September 30, 2016, 02:13:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/user/drbonespodcast/about  DrBones NurseAmy

Description
Prepper Medicine, survival gardening and Survival Topics. Nurse Amy is an Advanced Registered Nurse Practitioner with a Master's degree in Nursing. Dr. Bones is a Medical Doctor and surgeon. They are the authors of the #1 Amazon Best Selling book "The Survival Medicine Handbook", a guide for when medical help is NOT on the way.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: MadMax on December 14, 2016, 11:59:05 AM
Looks like they are making it more and more difficult for Preppers to get supplies, stock up now!

Fish Antibiotics Are Getting Banned…RIGHT!!

http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/fish-antibiotics-bannedright/
Since the new federal guidelines regarding livestock, medications came out there has been a controversy as to what will be restricted and to whom. Some folks are saying that as of January 1st, 2017 you will no longer be able to buy the types of “fish antibiotics” that are commonly stockpiled by preppers, while other say that there is nothing to worry about and that it’s just all overreaction causing needless panic among preppers…


And another point of view: These 5 Fish Antibiotics are GONE Jan.1! But that ain’t all…

My advice is to go ahead and stock up now that way no matter who is correct you’ll still be covered, because as I always say, “It’s better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it”. :-X

Max.
Title: Re: fish antibiotics
Post by: Socrates on December 14, 2016, 02:25:54 PM
I just heard Mike Adams [Health Ranger] talk about fish antibiotics going away. I never heard of fish antibiotics before, but if you're interested in them, you'd better order them before they're sold out!
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on December 14, 2016, 04:54:35 PM
This attachment, from greenmedinfo.com may be of interest to those who have diabetes:
In other words, Big Pharma strikes again.
Title: Antibiotics
Post by: Socrates on December 14, 2016, 07:40:47 PM

I simply do not believe in the antibiotic paradigm. That's because i've done my homework in the areas of health, healing and disease prevention (http://b2012overleven.runboard.com). The closest thing to antibiotics i've mentioned is Stephen Buhner's book on herbal antibiotics [and herbal antivirals], which really has nothing to do with antibiotics but which i'm also mainly interested in because it would help soothe the minds of others. And i wonder if the Health Ranger himself would even be mentioning these fish antibiotics if it weren't for the fact that they are being outlawed.
I do not know about antibiotics as i have no interest in such things and they subsequently do not draw my attention, let alone do i go out looking for them.

I would suggest to all to look to other options than antibiotics. If you look at the science of it, it doesn't work [research "germ theory"] and how ya gonna deal once your stash of antibiotics is used up or deteriorated [they don't keep forever]?
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on December 14, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
MadMax, RE "fish antibiotics," Mod Socrates is in another country, so his knowledge will not be exactly the same as preppers in the US. We can all learn from one another. :)
All The Best,
Yowbarb PS BTW I really appreciate the content and the quality of posts you both do.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on December 17, 2016, 01:56:03 PM
MadMax, RE "fish antibiotics," Mod Socrates is in another country, so his knowledge will not be exactly the same as preppers in the US. We can all learn from one another. :)
All The Best,
Yowbarb PS BTW I really appreciate the content and the quality of posts you both do.
I don't know much about fish antibiotics, but personally shun and shy away all from antibiotics where possible, and am guessing here, but "fish antibiotics" are mostly likely used in those horrible fish farms that are basically factory fish farms, and they feed the fish a concoction of who-inows-what, plus antibiotics are probably a necessity due to the crowding and poor quality feed, etc.  I wouldn't place much faith in anything destined for a fish farm.

And BTW most fish farms either use GM crops in some manner as fish feed, or they are raising those Frankenfish, i.e., GM salmon.  Either way, it's a disaster in the making.
Title: Re: fish antibiotics
Post by: Yowbarb on January 13, 2017, 10:35:05 PM
I just heard Mike Adams [Health Ranger] talk about fish antibiotics going away. I never heard of fish antibiotics before, but if you're interested in them, you'd better order them before they're sold out!

"We have fish antibiotics."
On this page:
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/nasa-reveals-vast-hole-in-the-sun-that-could-cripple-power-supplies_01122017

Ad:  https://www.campingsurvival.com/fish-and-bird-antibiotics.html   
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: MadMax on January 16, 2017, 01:42:10 PM
Medical Experts Warn 'Terrible Tipping Point' Reached In 2017 Will Have Worldwide Ramifications - 'Luck Will Play A Bigger Role In Your Future Than Any Doctor Could'

- Researchers Report: 'The End To Modern Medicine As We Know It'

http://allnewspipeline.com/Antibiotic_Resistance_Prepping.php

The heartbreaking story from Yahoo News that the Drudge Report linked to on Saturday reports that a woman in her 70's who'd been living in the state of Nevada has died from an infection that was resistant to all 26 available antibiotics. Raising new concerns about the rise of dangerous superbugs that have become resistant to our greatest medical weapons against them, their story illustrates both the dangers that Americans and the world face in the new 'post-antibiotic era' we're entering as well as showing how woefully unprepared our medical system is for such change.

A May 2016 story from The Week reported antibiotic resistance could cause 10 million deaths a year by 2050 - more than cancer they report - while also warning "medicine could go back to the dark ages unless the world acts soon". Also reporting that a new class of antibiotics hadn't been created in a decade and antimicrobial resistance had turned into 'as big a risk as terrorism', they also warned in their story that a simple cut on one's finger could turn into a deadly disease that leaves us fighting for our lives and here's the 'kicker': "luck will play a bigger role in your future than any doctor could."

As we hear in the 1st video below about this sad case, according to Dr. Randall Todd, the director of epidemiology and public health preparedness for the Washoe County Health District in Nevada, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention "basically reported that there was nothing in our medicine cabinet to treat this lady." As they also report, these health developments have worldwide implications.'

Max.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Jimfarmer on January 16, 2017, 08:12:19 PM
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"basically reported that there was nothing in our medicine cabinet to treat this lady."

Get your MMS at http://genesis2church.is/mms/providers
I stopped a toothache with 12 drops of it yesterday.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on December 13, 2017, 11:51:05 PM
Quote
"basically reported that there was nothing in our medicine cabinet to treat this lady."

Get your MMS at http://genesis2church.is/mms/providers
I stopped a toothache with 12 drops of it yesterday.

Jimfarmer, thanks!!
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on December 29, 2017, 01:19:12 PM
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/12/27/canola-oil-health-effects.aspx?utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art2&utm_campaign=20171227Z1_UCM&et_cid=DM174882&et_rid=165211252

Canola Oil Proven to Destroy Your Body and Mind

Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on December 29, 2017, 01:47:22 PM
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/12/27/canola-oil-health-effects.aspx?utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art2&utm_campaign=20171227Z1_UCM&et_cid=DM174882&et_rid=165211252

Canola Oil Proven to Destroy Your Body and Mind


ilinda, thanks for posting this!
I had heard years ago it was no good... Always avoid it.
it is in so many things, hard to get away from it...
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on December 30, 2017, 06:10:58 PM
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/12/27/canola-oil-health-effects.aspx?utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art2&utm_campaign=20171227Z1_UCM&et_cid=DM174882&et_rid=165211252

Canola Oil Proven to Destroy Your Body and Mind


ilinda, thanks for posting this!
I had heard years ago it was no good... Always avoid it.
it is in so many things, hard to get away from it...
It certainly is, and is even placed by STEALTH in some items.  For example, a vegetarian version of Mayonnaise proudly proclaims on their label, "Made with Olive Oil", and when you read the ingredient list, there is canola oil, in greater amount that the olive oil!
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on February 13, 2018, 08:35:54 PM
Frontier Medicine: From the Atlantic to the Pacific, 1492-1941 (Vintage International) Paperback – October 6, 2009
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Socrates on February 13, 2018, 11:07:43 PM
Wisdom begins in wonder...
Wait; i don't remember saying that!  ;)

May is a delightful time to visit the Wichita Mountains...
Frankly, i have things to do in May (that involve working...).
But, hey, i'm sure it's a nice time of year to be out in the desert. Wish i was there.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on February 14, 2018, 04:32:46 PM
Frontier Medicine: From the Atlantic to the Pacific, 1492-1941 (Vintage International) Paperback – October 6, 2009
Those mountains DO sound wonderful.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on February 14, 2018, 05:49:43 PM
Wisdom begins in wonder...
Wait; i don't remember saying that!  ;)

May is a delightful time to visit the Wichita Mountains...
Frankly, i have things to do in May (that involve working...).
But, hey, i'm sure it's a nice time of year to be out in the desert. Wish i was there.

:)
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on February 14, 2018, 05:50:40 PM
Frontier Medicine: From the Atlantic to the Pacific, 1492-1941 (Vintage International) Paperback – October 6, 2009
Those mountains DO sound wonderful.

They look pretty rugged and semi-arid but from some photos look like a person might be able to cultivate food there, dig wells, etc.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: MadMax on February 15, 2018, 04:00:39 PM
Medical prepping: 5 ways to protect your health when SHTF

http://bugout.news/2018-02-13-medical-prepping-protect-your-health-when-shtf.html

Medical preparedness is not usually a term associated with prepping. But if you really think about it, this knowledge should be an essential part of your survival education. You can purchase all the best first aid kits in the world, but if you have no idea what to do with them, how exactly were you planning on surviving?

During SHTF situations, you need to have both the gear and the knowledge to survive. We’ve listed five ways you can better prepare for any scenario on a medical level. (h/t to EdThatMatter.com.)

Read up on medical preparedness –– Start now. The nature of emergency situations is that they’re…well, unpredictable. Things can go down tomorrow. None of us can really tell when bad things will happen. The important thing is that you’re mentally prepared when SHTF. Read on medical preparedness and first aid. (Have you checked out our site completely dedicated to this? It’s Preparedness.news and it’s updated daily.) If reading doesn’t interest you, talk to real preppers. Sometimes they have really interesting tricks they’re all too willing to teach to those who are interested. The gist is to get as much information as you can.

Stock up on medical supplies — Statistical analyses and expert estimates say that medical supplies will be the first items to run out during emergencies. It is prudent to begin stocking up on supplies now. There is debate on what you should buy, but we’d recommend the following: hygiene products (sterile rubber gloves, medical face masks, CPR masks, etc); items that treat flesh wounds (antibacterial ointment, towelettes, butterfly closures, syringes, etc.); bandages, clotting agents; medical tape; Sam splints; medical scissors; instant cold packs; and hemostats. Do your own research and decide which items you’d want to stock more of. There is no such thing as having too many medical supplies.

Acquire medical books — These days, books — real-life, honest-to-goodness books — are considered a hassle to bring or buy. However, these are actually essential when SHTF. Many of these handbooks offer detailed instructions on how to apply first aid. If you took the first step seriously, you’d find a lot of online sources ending with the advice to “seek medical assistance.” This is fine and dandy if you’re near a city, but this is completely useless if you’re stuck in a forest or desert. Having these medical books with you will prove useful.

Learn about herbs — Even if you’re not outdoorsy by nature, know about the various herbs that grow near your area. Learn which ones are toxic and which are edible. A lot of herbs have their use in medicine. We recommend trying a few of them now so you can see what works for you. It’s important that you familiarize yourself with even the most basic herbs and know how to use them. (Related: 4 things you’ll absolutely need when SHTF.)

Understand essential oils — Traditional medicine uses essential oils for a variety of reasons.
More people are understanding just how beneficial they are. Don’t expect there to be an ample supply of these oils during emergency situations. As with medical supplies, these will run out. Aside from stocking up on them, learn how to use them, which oil is best for which condition, and the proper dilution for each.

Max.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on February 15, 2018, 06:00:58 PM
Excellent, Max, and thanks for posting.

Your mention of herbs reminded me to mention two common plants:  yarrow and puffball mushroom.  The yarrow flowers at their peak, can be harvested and dried, thereby making a blood stopper. 

Likewise, puffball mushroom, when dry, is also a blood stopping agent.  Puffball mushroom is a really "fun" thing--near the end of fall, these can be seen all dried out and just ready to stomp on!  Stomp on one, and poof!!--a whole lot of dark brown powder (spores I think) gets dispersed quickly.  But if you're smart and want another source of blood stopper, forego the stomping and carefully pick up the dried 'shroom (slicing off the part that touched the ground) and put it in a waiting ziplok bag for storage.

That is just for starters.  Everything we need is out there in Nature, waiting for us to learn what and where.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: MadMax on February 16, 2018, 02:46:18 AM
Quote
Everything we need is out there in Nature, waiting for us to learn what and where.

The key is being prepared before the SHTF ..

Max.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on February 16, 2018, 04:30:30 AM
I've also used broadleaf plantain (the weed, not the tropical fruit) from the yard for a quick bandage for a bleeding cut when working out in the garden.

(http://www.ediblewildfood.com/images/broadleaf-plantain-pictures/broadleaf-plantain-leaves.jpg)
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on February 16, 2018, 12:57:14 PM
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Everything we need is out there in Nature, waiting for us to learn what and where.

The key is being prepared before the SHTF ..

Max.
The issue of how to best filter water has never been properly solved in this household.  Does anyone have either the Britta or Berkey water filters?  I researched one of them the other day, and apparently there are many models, and it starts getting confusing, and there are so many details!

Does anyone have a favorite?  What I like about the Berkeys is that they use no electricity.  Still we have no decent water filtration system in place and feel it's getting urgent.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on June 14, 2018, 05:39:07 PM
Bumper sticker:
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on June 14, 2018, 06:59:58 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on June 23, 2018, 05:42:11 PM
This is definitely food for thought, deep thought.  The articles I find on greenmedinfo.com are of excellent quality and this one is no exception:

 Sayer Ji, Founder of GreenMedInfo.com
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http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/evidence-based-medicine-coins-flip-worth-certainty
'Evidence-Based' Medicine: A Coin's Flip Worth of Certainty

Posted on:
Friday, November 9th 2012 at 5:00 am
Written By:   Sayer Ji, Founder
This article is copyrighted by GreenMedInfo LLC, 2014


What if 90% of the peer-reviewed clinical research, the holy grail of the conventional medical system, is exaggerated, or worse, completely false?
A seismic shift is occurring in the field of evidence-based medicine that a rare few are aware of, but which will (and likely already does) affect everyone, as the standard of medical care today largely follows from this model.
The very life's blood of 'evidence-based' medicine -- peer-reviewed and published clinical research results – which legitimizes the entire infrastructure and superstructure upon which conventional medical knowledge and practice is erected, has been revealed as mostly and patently false.
Case in point: in a 2005 essay, "Why Most Published Research Findings are False," and which is the most downloaded document of all time on PLoS, the Public Library of Medicine's peer-reviewed, open access journal, John P. A Ioannidis explains in detail how "It can be proven that most claimed research findings are false." And that "for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias."  
The Atlantic published a piece on Ioannidis' work, back in 2010, titled "Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science," well worth reading, and which opened with "Much of what medical researchers conclude in their studies is misleading, exaggerated, or flat-out wrong. So why are doctors - to a striking extent - still drawing upon misinformation in their everyday practice?"
Ioannidis' work revealed that about half of the most highly regarded research findings within "evidence-based" medicine are either wrong, or significantly exaggerated:
[Ioannidis] zoomed in on 49 of the most highly regarded research findings in medicine over the previous 13 years, as judged by the science community's two standard measures: the papers had appeared in the journals most widely cited in research articles, and the 49 articles themselves were the most widely cited articles in these journals.
...Of the 49 articles, 45 claimed to have uncovered effective interventions. Thirty-four of these claims had been retested, and 14 of these, or 41 percent, had been convincingly shown to be wrong or significantly exaggerated. If between a third and a half of the most acclaimed research in medicine was proving untrustworthy, the scope and impact of the problem were undeniable. That article was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
Time magazine wrote about Ioannidis' findings the same year with a piece titled "A Researcher's Claim: 90% of Medical Research is Wrong" -- the title of which speaks resoundingly for itself.
Keep in mind that the 'gold standard' of the multi-trillion dollar conventional, 'evidence-based' medical model is the very research that Ioannidis now says is mostly false.  This model, which apparently thrives despite, or even because of, its falsity, largely determines what drugs are used, what surgical procedures employed, or conversely, what treatments can not be used, e.g. vitamins, spices, etc in disease prevention or treatment.  It also shields those who practice this dominant and only truly legally-sanctioned form of medicine against the potential calamity of moral, criminal, and financial liabilities it is responsible for– that is, as long as the truth continues to remain buried.  
How many folks, for instance, are aware that the Cochrane Database Review on preventing influenza in healthy children with flu vaccines shows that the evidence proving their safety and effectiveness in children under two (the population most susceptible to vaccine-induced injuries) is conspicuously lacking? Why would anyone question the rationality of vaccinating infants and young children against influenza when the CDC and FDA presents it as unequivocally safe and effective? As the review states:
It was surprising to find only one study of inactivated vaccine in children under two years, given current recommendations to vaccinate healthy children from six months of age in the USA, Canada, parts of Europe and Australia. If immunization in children is to be recommended as a public health policy, large-scale studies assessing important outcomes, and directly comparing vaccine types are urgently required.
Or, among the the tens of millions of Americans taking statin drugs for the primary or secondary prevention of cardiovascular disease, who among them realize that there are well over 300 adverse health effects documented in the scientific literature itself associated with the use of this chemical class of medications, including the weakening and damaging of the heart muscle?
Sadly, examples like these may be the rule and not the exception.
Evidence-based medicine (EBM), of course, is founded upon an epistemological power structure arranged hierarchally like a pyramid. The 'quality of evidence' determines whether or not something can be said to be true. On the lowest tier, the 'base' of this pyramid, is the Anecdote, considered worthless, encompassing many folk medical systems employing food and plant medicines and still used by the majority of the word as their primary care system, followed by: Cell Studies > Animal Studies > Human Studies > Clinical Trials > Meta-Analyses and Systematic Reviews of Clinical Trials.

This model assumes, in the characteristically Napoleonic style, that what it does not officially confirm as being true, is not true. Herbs and vitamins, for instance, are almost never considered to be "evidence-based" and credible because they have not run the gauntlet of prerequisite clinical trials required for them to be verified as therapeutic within this model. The fact that our bodies, for instance, require vitamin C in order to be alive, is not evidence enough to support the concept that it may be valuable to take it supplementally at doses beyond the recommended daily value (which may keep you only a few milligrams above starvation/deficiency values).

The fact is that human clinical trials can cost millions of dollars, and that in order to prove the value of a potential FDA-approved medicine, it must be taken through phase 0, phase I, phase II and phase III clinical trials (which, taken together, cost on average $804 million). The 'gold standard' of evidence-based medicine therefore betrays the aphorism: "those who own the gold make the standard."  By principle, therefore, all natural substances, which do not lend themselves to being patented because they do not grant the manufacturer exclusivity, will never attain FDA approval as legitimate medicines.
While the conventional medical system can claim this is because they lack "evidence" for safety and effectiveness (despite the fact that Turmeric, for instance, has thousands of years of use by millions of folks as a food and medicine), the reality is that they only lack "evidence" because they cannot be effectively monetized and controlled as proprietary instruments of medical power.  
Ultimately, Ioannadis' findings reflect an inborn and potentially fatal error at the very heart of modern science itself: namely, a tendency towards scientism.
Scientism is the idea that natural science is the most authoritative worldview or aspect of human education, and that it is superior to all other interpretations of life. Furthermore, scientism accepts as real and valid only those things which it can confirm empirically; those things it does not or cannot confirm it is skeptical about, e.g. homeopathy, the existence of the soul, an innate intelligence in the body, or worse, outright denies as unscientific, or "quackery."
For instance, a fundamental assumption of all scientific inquiry is that things are made of "real, hard objects," i.e., the computer I am typing at is a conglomeration of atoms. But wait, quantum mechanics, which peers deeper into the illusion of materiality, revealed that what subtends the illusion of macroscopic things is a subatomic realm better described as comprised of fields of possibility, where particles can be at two places at once, or communicate faster than the speed of light (non-locality), etc, basically violating all the fundamental laws considered inviolable on our everyday level of macroscopic perception. So, in many ways, the deeper you take the scientific investigation, the less firm a footing you have on what really is real, and what you think you know.
Also, scientism – this false sense of certainty in knowing - leads inevitably to medical monotheism: the belief that there is only one true and right way to prevent and treat disease, and that all disbelievers are intrinsically inferior and treated as either uneducated, insane, or as heretics, to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  
This is how we arrived at our present day pseudo-scientific medical dictatorship.  I say pseudo- because insofar as science means an attempt to discern the truth without bias, it is a human faculty, a yearning of the soul, a constant challenge we must meet each and every moment we try to figure something out.  Science is not a "brand," a "possession," an exclusive faculty of a caste of scientific elite, dispensed solely through monolithic institutions.  It can not claim to deny anything and everything it does not explicitly confirm without being an organ and instrument of fascism, control, divisiveness and institutionalized and compulsory ignorance and myopia.
Natural medicine, by principle, will never attain legitimacy within the present power structure. The money simply will not flow in the direction of uncovering, or simply confirming its time-tested, multi-culturally confirmed and often obvious power to heal with food and otherwise natural substances and interventions -- that is, beyond the sizable body of preclinical research which we have gone to great lengths to collect and index for you on Greenmedinfo.com.
These limitations, however, are being overcome as we speak. The revelation that the 'evidence-based' monopoly on the truthTM is itself not based on evidence, in perhaps a majority of cases, has world historical implications. Perhaps we would do equally well for ourselves if we went back to our intuition, drawing from ancient dietary and natural medical practices to take back control of our health. For example, asking ourselves "how do I feel?" is no less vital a question than "what is my LDL cholesterol number?" Certainly, in the first case the answer is immediate, and not up to debate. After all, is the evidence of our first-hand experience any less valid than a Merck funded, multi-million dollar drug trial? It is simply a matter of whether we choose to stand firmly in, or loosely give away our power in exchange for the narcotic of blind faith in a conventional medical system, whose credibility as a system designed to discover and apply empirically-confirmed truths (assuming the work of Ioannidis is accurate) already departed long ago.

Sayer Ji is founder of Greenmedinfo.com, a reviewer at the International Journal of Human Nutrition and Functional Medicine, Co-founder and CEO of Systome Biomed, Vice Chairman of the Board of the National Health Federation, Steering Committee Member of the Global Non-GMO Foundation.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on June 23, 2018, 06:11:07 PM
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Herbs and vitamins, for instance, are almost never considered to be "evidence-based" and credible because they have not run the gauntlet of prerequisite clinical trials required for them to be verified as therapeutic within this model.

This is slowly changing, thankfully.  One area that stands out is geriatric medicine, which tends to comprise a large proportion of the budgetary liabilities of developed nations.  Born of necessity, studies are being conducted on supplement after supplement which show that the natural remedy is often both the better and the cheaper one.  A number of posts on Barb's Alzheimers thread citing studies published on the National Institutes of Health website demonstrate that.

The problem is waiting for clinical trials to be completed before beginning a course of natural medicine, especially if a patient has a limited window of opportunity to forestall downward progression, as with Parkinson's Disease.  NADH, for example, has not successfully passed its clinical trials yet, though countless PD sufferers know from first-hand experience that daily supplementation eliminates the sense of loss of balance that can be so debilitating. 

PD patients also evidence a conspicuous absence of glutathione in the substantia nigra portion of the brain, particularly male patients who have been exposed to agricultural pesticides, so the question arises: why wait for permission from the establishment to begin replenishing substrates of glutathione, when time is of the essence?
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on July 02, 2018, 03:30:37 PM
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Canola Oil Proven to Destroy Your Body and Mind


ilinda, thanks for posting this!
I had heard years ago it was no good... Always avoid it.
it is in so many things, hard to get away from it...
It certainly is, and is even placed by STEALTH in some items.  For example, a vegetarian version of Mayonnaise proudly proclaims on their label, "Made with Olive Oil", and when you read the ingredient list, there is canola oil, in greater amount that the olive oil!

ilinda, wow that is sneaky! I hope it wasn't the vegan may I posted a pic of awhile ago. :) They should not be allowed to misrepresent, like that.
I have been disappointed several times when reading ingredients at health food stores. Especially skin products. propolene glycol or other "prop" ingredients have no place in health food store skin care or vitamin capsules.
That said, (my disclaimer, haha) I wouldn't want to discourage people from going to their local health food stores, especially if organic, non-GMO food is available. Also, there are probably a lot of excellent products there..
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on July 02, 2018, 03:37:04 PM
This is definitely food for thought, deep thought.  The articles I find on greenmedinfo.com are of excellent quality and this one is no exception:

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'Evidence-Based' Medicine: A Coin's Flip Worth of Certainty

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Written By:   Sayer Ji, Founder
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What if 90% of the peer-reviewed clinical research, the holy grail of the conventional medical system, is exaggerated, or worse, completely false?
A seismic shift is occurring in the field of evidence-based medicine that a rare few are aware of, but which will (and likely already does) affect everyone, as the standard of medical care today largely follows from this model.
The very life's blood of 'evidence-based' medicine -- peer-reviewed and published clinical research results – which legitimizes the entire infrastructure and superstructure upon which conventional medical knowledge and practice is erected, has been revealed as mostly and patently false.
Case in point: in a 2005 essay, "Why Most Published Research Findings are False," and which is the most downloaded document of all time on PLoS, the Public Library of Medicine's peer-reviewed, open access journal, John P. A Ioannidis explains in detail how "It can be proven that most claimed research findings are false." And that "for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias." 
The Atlantic published a piece on Ioannidis' work, back in 2010, titled "Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science," well worth reading, and which opened with "Much of what medical researchers conclude in their studies is misleading, exaggerated, or flat-out wrong. So why are doctors - to a striking extent - still drawing upon misinformation in their everyday practice?"
Ioannidis' work revealed that about half of the most highly regarded research findings within "evidence-based" medicine are either wrong, or significantly exaggerated:
[Ioannidis] zoomed in on 49 of the most highly regarded research findings in medicine over the previous 13 years, as judged by the science community's two standard measures: the papers had appeared in the journals most widely cited in research articles, and the 49 articles themselves were the most widely cited articles in these journals.
...Of the 49 articles, 45 claimed to have uncovered effective interventions. Thirty-four of these claims had been retested, and 14 of these, or 41 percent, had been convincingly shown to be wrong or significantly exaggerated. If between a third and a half of the most acclaimed research in medicine was proving untrustworthy, the scope and impact of the problem were undeniable. That article was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
Time magazine wrote about Ioannidis' findings the same year with a piece titled "A Researcher's Claim: 90% of Medical Research is Wrong" -- the title of which speaks resoundingly for itself.
Keep in mind that the 'gold standard' of the multi-trillion dollar conventional, 'evidence-based' medical model is the very research that Ioannidis now says is mostly false.  This model, which apparently thrives despite, or even because of, its falsity, largely determines what drugs are used, what surgical procedures employed, or conversely, what treatments can not be used, e.g. vitamins, spices, etc in disease prevention or treatment.  It also shields those who practice this dominant and only truly legally-sanctioned form of medicine against the potential calamity of moral, criminal, and financial liabilities it is responsible for– that is, as long as the truth continues to remain buried. 
How many folks, for instance, are aware that the Cochrane Database Review on preventing influenza in healthy children with flu vaccines shows that the evidence proving their safety and effectiveness in children under two (the population most susceptible to vaccine-induced injuries) is conspicuously lacking? Why would anyone question the rationality of vaccinating infants and young children against influenza when the CDC and FDA presents it as unequivocally safe and effective? As the review states:
It was surprising to find only one study of inactivated vaccine in children under two years, given current recommendations to vaccinate healthy children from six months of age in the USA, Canada, parts of Europe and Australia. If immunization in children is to be recommended as a public health policy, large-scale studies assessing important outcomes, and directly comparing vaccine types are urgently required.
Or, among the the tens of millions of Americans taking statin drugs for the primary or secondary prevention of cardiovascular disease, who among them realize that there are well over 300 adverse health effects documented in the scientific literature itself associated with the use of this chemical class of medications, including the weakening and damaging of the heart muscle?
Sadly, examples like these may be the rule and not the exception.
Evidence-based medicine (EBM), of course, is founded upon an epistemological power structure arranged hierarchally like a pyramid. The 'quality of evidence' determines whether or not something can be said to be true. On the lowest tier, the 'base' of this pyramid, is the Anecdote, considered worthless, encompassing many folk medical systems employing food and plant medicines and still used by the majority of the word as their primary care system, followed by: Cell Studies > Animal Studies > Human Studies > Clinical Trials > Meta-Analyses and Systematic Reviews of Clinical Trials.

This model assumes, in the characteristically Napoleonic style, that what it does not officially confirm as being true, is not true. Herbs and vitamins, for instance, are almost never considered to be "evidence-based" and credible because they have not run the gauntlet of prerequisite clinical trials required for them to be verified as therapeutic within this model. The fact that our bodies, for instance, require vitamin C in order to be alive, is not evidence enough to support the concept that it may be valuable to take it supplementally at doses beyond the recommended daily value (which may keep you only a few milligrams above starvation/deficiency values).

The fact is that human clinical trials can cost millions of dollars, and that in order to prove the value of a potential FDA-approved medicine, it must be taken through phase 0, phase I, phase II and phase III clinical trials (which, taken together, cost on average $804 million). The 'gold standard' of evidence-based medicine therefore betrays the aphorism: "those who own the gold make the standard."  By principle, therefore, all natural substances, which do not lend themselves to being patented because they do not grant the manufacturer exclusivity, will never attain FDA approval as legitimate medicines.
While the conventional medical system can claim this is because they lack "evidence" for safety and effectiveness (despite the fact that Turmeric, for instance, has thousands of years of use by millions of folks as a food and medicine), the reality is that they only lack "evidence" because they cannot be effectively monetized and controlled as proprietary instruments of medical power. 
Ultimately, Ioannadis' findings reflect an inborn and potentially fatal error at the very heart of modern science itself: namely, a tendency towards scientism.
Scientism is the idea that natural science is the most authoritative worldview or aspect of human education, and that it is superior to all other interpretations of life. Furthermore, scientism accepts as real and valid only those things which it can confirm empirically; those things it does not or cannot confirm it is skeptical about, e.g. homeopathy, the existence of the soul, an innate intelligence in the body, or worse, outright denies as unscientific, or "quackery."
For instance, a fundamental assumption of all scientific inquiry is that things are made of "real, hard objects," i.e., the computer I am typing at is a conglomeration of atoms. But wait, quantum mechanics, which peers deeper into the illusion of materiality, revealed that what subtends the illusion of macroscopic things is a subatomic realm better described as comprised of fields of possibility, where particles can be at two places at once, or communicate faster than the speed of light (non-locality), etc, basically violating all the fundamental laws considered inviolable on our everyday level of macroscopic perception. So, in many ways, the deeper you take the scientific investigation, the less firm a footing you have on what really is real, and what you think you know.
Also, scientism – this false sense of certainty in knowing - leads inevitably to medical monotheism: the belief that there is only one true and right way to prevent and treat disease, and that all disbelievers are intrinsically inferior and treated as either uneducated, insane, or as heretics, to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. 
This is how we arrived at our present day pseudo-scientific medical dictatorship.  I say pseudo- because insofar as science means an attempt to discern the truth without bias, it is a human faculty, a yearning of the soul, a constant challenge we must meet each and every moment we try to figure something out.  Science is not a "brand," a "possession," an exclusive faculty of a caste of scientific elite, dispensed solely through monolithic institutions.  It can not claim to deny anything and everything it does not explicitly confirm without being an organ and instrument of fascism, control, divisiveness and institutionalized and compulsory ignorance and myopia.
Natural medicine, by principle, will never attain legitimacy within the present power structure. The money simply will not flow in the direction of uncovering, or simply confirming its time-tested, multi-culturally confirmed and often obvious power to heal with food and otherwise natural substances and interventions -- that is, beyond the sizable body of preclinical research which we have gone to great lengths to collect and index for you on Greenmedinfo.com.
These limitations, however, are being overcome as we speak. The revelation that the 'evidence-based' monopoly on the truthTM is itself not based on evidence, in perhaps a majority of cases, has world historical implications. Perhaps we would do equally well for ourselves if we went back to our intuition, drawing from ancient dietary and natural medical practices to take back control of our health. For example, asking ourselves "how do I feel?" is no less vital a question than "what is my LDL cholesterol number?" Certainly, in the first case the answer is immediate, and not up to debate. After all, is the evidence of our first-hand experience any less valid than a Merck funded, multi-million dollar drug trial? It is simply a matter of whether we choose to stand firmly in, or loosely give away our power in exchange for the narcotic of blind faith in a conventional medical system, whose credibility as a system designed to discover and apply empirically-confirmed truths (assuming the work of Ioannidis is accurate) already departed long ago.

Sayer Ji is founder of Greenmedinfo.com, a reviewer at the International Journal of Human Nutrition and Functional Medicine, Co-founder and CEO of Systome Biomed, Vice Chairman of the Board of the National Health Federation, Steering Committee Member of the Global Non-GMO Foundation.

ilinda, thanks for your post. Yes, Greenmedinfo is a good source for a lot of useable info.
All The best,
Barb T.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on July 02, 2018, 05:30:39 PM
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..."what is my LDL cholesterol number?"

Not sure how many people realize that their brains are made of cholesterol, and plenty of it!

Also not sure how many people realize that HDL and LDL tests do not measure cholesterol at all.  Those tests measure lipoproteins, or fats connected to proteins.  Cholesterol is a steroid alcohol which sometimes rides around in the blood plasma on the backs of lipoprotein molecules, and allopathic medicine assumes that this relationship is both regular and predictive. 

Cholesterol is not only essential for neurological health, but also for maintaining the flow of bile, which acts as a detergent to break down fats and fatty acids (since oil and water don't mix, it takes a fat to break down another fat). 

Cholesterol is a non-issue for those who take lecithin / choline, which prevents cholesterol from precipitating in the form of fatty deposits and stones.  Taurine also is part of this equation.  Those who supplement lecithin / choline prevent arterial blockages from occurring. 

BTW, those who take lots of antihistimines need to supplement even more lecithin, as the OTC med dries up both bile and acetylcholine, impeding cognition.  At least one study re-published by the National Institutes of Health has noted a strong correlation between allergies and dementia, probably for this reason.

Antihistimines are still an important addition to the medicine cabinet though, as they can save lives by preventing anaphylaxis.  An alternative to them for simple seasonal hayfever is Butterbur.

(https://www.swansonaustralia.com/assets/full/SWH192.jpg)

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Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on July 02, 2018, 07:46:31 PM
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..."what is my LDL cholesterol number?"

Not sure how many people realize that their brains are made of cholesterol, and plenty of it!

Also not sure how many people realize that HDL and LDL tests do not measure cholesterol at all.  Those tests measure lipoproteins, or fats connected to proteins.  Cholesterol is a steroid alcohol which sometimes rides around in the blood plasma on the backs of lipoprotein molecules, and allopathic medicine assumes that this relationship is both regular and predictive. 

Cholesterol is not only essential for neurological health, but also for maintaining the flow of bile, which acts as a detergent to break down fats and fatty acids (since oil and water don't mix, it takes a fat to break down another fat). 

Cholesterol is a non-issue for those who take lecithin / choline, which prevents cholesterol from precipitating in the form of fatty deposits and stones.  Taurine also is part of this equation.  Those who supplement lecithin / choline prevent arterial blockages from occurring. 

BTW, those who take lots of antihistimines need to supplement even more lecithin, as the OTC med dries up both bile and acetylcholine, impeding cognition.  At least one study re-published by the National Institutes of Health has noted a strong correlation between allergies and dementia, probably for this reason.

Antihistimines are still an important addition to the medicine cabinet though, as they can save lives by preventing anaphylaxis.  An alternative to them for simple seasonal hayfever is Butterbur.

(https://www.swansonaustralia.com/assets/full/SWH192.jpg)

(https://www.herbal-supplement-resource.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/butterbur-petasites-hybridus-img.jpg)
Thanks for posting this.  The makers of all the statin drugs would have us believe we're all about to drop dead of clogged arteries if our total serum cholesterol level even approaches 200.  They want all of to be quaking in fear that we'll all soon die a miserable death if we don't start a regimen of daily statin, and remain on it for the rest of our lives.

Fortunately many people are waking up to Big Pharma tactics and these people are using a number of herbs to help improve cardiovascular health, and having better results with dietary changes, plus cardiotonic herbs.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on July 03, 2018, 06:11:23 AM
Speaking of statins, lots of well-intentioned health oriented folks are taking red yeast rice in lieu of statins.  This is even worse, because tests show that it contains the same active chemical as the drug Lovastatin, only in unstandardized form, meaning you could be getting even more of the chemical than in the prescription form.  Dangers include muscle cramping and wasting, possibly irreversible.  Remember that the heart is a muscle too.

If one is determined to take red yeast rice, it should always be accompanied by coQ10. :)
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on July 03, 2018, 10:09:06 AM
Speaking of statins, lots of well-intentioned health oriented folks are taking red yeast rice in lieu of statins.  This is even worse, because tests show that it contains the same active chemical as the drug Lovastatin, only in unstandardized form, meaning you could be getting even more of the chemical than in the prescription form.  Dangers include muscle cramping and wasting, possibly irreversible.  Remember that the heart is a muscle too.

If one is determined to take red yeast rice, it should always be accompanied by coQ10. :)
Yes, a diabetic neighbor tried the red rice yeast and did have enough problems that he quit that as well.  I have old medical laboratory books from the 60's, 70's, and maybe early  80's, and they list serum cholesterol levels of around 250 as being in the upper end of normal.  Plus elderly people who have so-called elevated cholesterol levels are actually healthier than the elderly with low serum cholesterol.  They don't know why it is, but one day they might discover that in ageing, extra cholesterol may serve some protective function.

(Those few who have seriously elevated cholsterol levels, for example 600 or  1,000, or so, are a rare genetic subset, who do probably need some form of intervention.)
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on July 03, 2018, 11:57:07 AM
Right, the subset would be separated out of any studies to prevent a confounding variable test design flaw that might skew the data.

Remember when they used to warn us away from eating real eggs, and then suddenly did an about-face and told us to eat eggs?  Methinks that coincided with the first wave of Baby Boomers reaching Medicare age.  PTB aren't entirely stupid... ::)
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on July 04, 2018, 01:25:39 PM
Right, the subset would be separated out of any studies to prevent a confounding variable test design flaw that might skew the data.

Remember when they used to warn us away from eating real eggs, and then suddenly did an about-face and told us to eat eggs?  Methinks that coincided with the first wave of Baby Boomers reaching Medicare age.  PTB aren't entirely stupid... ::)
And like fools, both hubby and I fell for the lie.  We didn't eat eggs for probably 20 years.  OMG, it's embarrassing to admit to such ignorance and stupidity.  Live and learn, eh?  But fortunately it has made us question everything we are now told that is "good" for us or "bad" for us.    Maybe believing in the lie that eggs are unhealthful turned out to be a blessing in disguise!
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on July 15, 2018, 09:50:23 AM
Right, the subset would be separated out of any studies to prevent a confounding variable test design flaw that might skew the data.

Remember when they used to warn us away from eating real eggs, and then suddenly did an about-face and told us to eat eggs?  Methinks that coincided with the first wave of Baby Boomers reaching Medicare age.  PTB aren't entirely stupid... ::)
And like fools, both hubby and I fell for the lie.  We didn't eat eggs for probably 20 years.  OMG, it's embarrassing to admit to such ignorance and stupidity.  Live and learn, eh?  But fortunately it has made us question everything we are now told that is "good" for us or "bad" for us.    Maybe believing in the lie that eggs are unhealthful turned out to be a blessing in disguise!

ilinda, I can relate to what you said about eggs. I did stop eating them for awhile, years maybe, except what might be in occasional baked goods, then I listened to a nutritional tape which included info on eggs. That was 1982. (I was a Shaklee Distributor briefly... just signed up in a few multilevel nutritional companies, didn't have the funds to get them off the ground. Was up in WA state at the time.)
The point is, I listened to a Shaklee tape and it said, natural eggs are good for you, even the yokes - lecithin and etc. and that we are being lied to about eggs and cholesterol etc. also that the natural eggs don't break so easily.

Oh yeah, just found these quotes:
"...Lecithin derives its name from "lekithos," the ancient Greek word for egg yolk." 

Also, "...Lecithin, otherwise known as phosphatidylcholine, is a phospholipid, or fat molecule, that contains necessary nutrients for bodily functions. Such nutrients include choline, fatty acids and phosphates. The majority of nutrients found in lecithin are stored in the form of choline. The body can produce choline only in small quantities, so we must consume lecithin-rich foods to get adequate amounts, Oregon State University's Linus Pauling Institute explains. One of the best sources of lecithin is eggs..."

https://www.livestrong.com/article/459593-amount-of-lecithin-in-eggs/
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: Yowbarb on July 15, 2018, 09:54:41 AM
Speaking of statins, lots of well-intentioned health oriented folks are taking red yeast rice in lieu of statins.  This is even worse, because tests show that it contains the same active chemical as the drug Lovastatin, only in unstandardized form, meaning you could be getting even more of the chemical than in the prescription form.  Dangers include muscle cramping and wasting, possibly irreversible.  Remember that the heart is a muscle too.

If one is determined to take red yeast rice, it should always be accompanied by coQ10. :)

R.R. thanks for posting this. I have been avoiding the statin drug my doc prescribed. In fact never have taken it.
Good to know to  (not) take red rice... if do , with Q10. Sounds like the red  rice could be risky for me...
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on July 15, 2018, 10:56:38 AM
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"...Lecithin derives its name from "lekithos," the ancient Greek word for egg yolk." 

I did not know the word etymology, but there is a kind of lecithin capsules for sale made from egg yolks. 
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on July 15, 2018, 06:54:53 PM
And speaking of lecithin, and other types of phospholipids, and the good fats in general, I just watched/heard a preview last night, of a series on Alzheimer's Dis., beginning on July 23.  This is the second series on A.D. I will have watched, and the episode I heard last night was so packed with info. it literally blew my mind.

One of the things Dr. Shade talked about was lecithin and how it plays a role in helping remove toxins from the body.  I plan to listen again, or maybe DL the text transcript, which is also free.  I'll find the link and post  it here, as one can never know too much about Alz. Dis.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on July 16, 2018, 04:43:35 AM
That makes sense, that lecithin would be able to detox the body, being that toxins are often stored in fat, and lecithin is capable of emulsifying those fats into the water-based blood plasma for elimination.  Lecithin contains glycine, which is the smallest amino acid and one of the three major detox substrates in the liver.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on July 16, 2018, 08:29:30 PM
That makes sense, that lecithin would be able to detox the body, being that toxins are often stored in fat, and lecithin is capable of emulsifying those fats into the water-based blood plasma for elimination.  Lecithin contains glycine, which is the smallest amino acid and one of the three major detox substrates in the liver.
Your explanation makes easy to understand, the process of how lecithin helps detoxify.
Glad you mentioned glycine, as I just read an article from greenmedinfo.com this morning about how Roundup's ingredient, glyphosate is actually a glycine with a large side group attached at the 'N', and that glyphosate can, and will, substitute for glycine, (?or possibly even displace glycine and fill that slot with itself?), in many reactions in the body.  Glyphosate can "pose as" glycine in the creation of proteins, as glyphosate can fill in where glycine is needed.  There was much more, but it totally explained how glyphosate is a "Trojan Horse" of sorts to bring toxins into animal physiology, where it "pretends" to be a normal glycine.

Now that you've mentioned that, it makes one wonder if, during the manufacture of eggs by chickens, if glyphosate is present, then will the hen somehow be able to utilize glyphosate in the making of lecithin?  Yikes and double yikes.  Certainly makes clear why organic lecithin would be a better buy than  the non-organic kind, for those who buy supplements.

 After all, GM corn and GM soy are major ingredients in non-organic chicken feed, so if mama hen is ingesting GM corn, while preparing to lay eggs, would any of that glyphosate (which is part of every single cell in GM crops) substitute for glycine in the lecithin that is incorporated into eggs?  Lots of food for thought.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on July 17, 2018, 07:38:10 AM
That is a really scary thought, and yes, bioavailability of glyphosate due to glycine inter-changeability would indeed make it more toxic, as so many processes in the body depend upon glycine.

It could conceivably even harm the genome itself:
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It is encoded by all the codons starting with GG (GGU, GGC, GGA, GGG).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycine

Here's a simple lab test for glyphosate in the body using a hair sample sent by mail:
https://detoxproject.org/testing/pesticides-in-hair/

They also claim to be developing a do-it-yourself test kit to be done at home.

This lab tests urine:
https://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/glyphosate-test/

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A study published in the December 2014 issue of the Journal of Environmental & Analytical Toxicology found that the oral application of certain natural substances were able effectively reduce urinary levels of glyphosate.  7  The researchers used a combination of the following substances:

    fulvic acids
    humic acids
    activated charcoal
    bentonite clay
    sauerkraut juice

https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/oral-application-of-charcoal-and-humic-acids-influence-selected-gastrointestinal-microbiota-2161-0525.1000256.php?aid=39228

The article goes on to say that while herbal extracts didn't prevent glyphosate from entering the cells, these did restore specific enzymes disrupted by the chemical:
    Taraxacum officinalis (Dandelion)
    Rhamnus frangula (Alder buckthorn)
    Raphanus sativus (Radish)
    Carduus marianus (Silybum marianum; milk thistle)

Then this combination was later found to prevent glyphosate from entering cells at all:
    Taraxacum officinalis (Dandelion)
    Arctium lappa (Burdock root)
    Berberis vulgaris (Barberry; the active ingredient in barberry is berberine)
    Chelidonium majus (Greater celandine)

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Greater Celandine

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Barberry

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Alder Buckthorn

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Burdock

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Milk Thistle
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on July 17, 2018, 07:47:02 PM
Truly fascinating that scientists have discovered ways to prevent glyphosate from entering the cells, and also discovered ways to remove or deactivate the toxins once they've reached the cell. 

Wouldn't you know--the solutions are herbal, and right out there in Nature!
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on July 18, 2018, 08:25:54 AM
Absolutely!
Title: Re: glycophates
Post by: Socrates on July 28, 2018, 11:28:31 AM
since 2008 i've been following One Radio Network (http://www.oneradionetwork.com) [Patrick Timpone] where all kinds of (particularly) health issues are discussed daily by (often the) cutting edge researchers of the day.

For many years now One Radio Network (https://oneradionetwork.com/health-articles/pure-organic-sulfur/) has been selling a high-quality sulfur supplement [MSM] to help the liver detoxify the effects of the disrupton of the sulfur cycle in mainstream agriculture. I have some and i'm sure i don't take enough of it as i should...
Discussing the benefit and need for (high-quality) MSM, it's often mentioned there that (so-called) modern agricultural tactics have effectively destroyed the sulfur cycle in nature, causing foods to be sulfur-deficient; hence the need for sulfur supplementation.

my 2 cents/fyi
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on July 28, 2018, 11:52:41 AM
That's quite a menu Soc! 

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Agriculture
Cleansing and Detox
Dental Healing
Diet and Nutrition
Earth Changes Prophecy
Environmental Challenges
Exercise – Sports Medicine – Yoga
Gardening / Surthrival
Geo-politics
Health Challenges (Diseases)
Health Freedom
Herbalism – Homeopathy – Essential Oils
How To Be Free In an Unfree World
Latest Health News
Money and Finance
New Technologies
Privacy
Sexuality
The Economy
The Real World of Money
Women – Children – Vaccines

I also like to take taurine, ALA-acetylcarnitine, and cottage cheese for the sulfur content with high electrical charge. 
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on July 28, 2018, 03:53:12 PM
Would organic garlic and organic brassica veggies fill the bill for sulfur?  I do agree modern agricultural practices have probably destroyed the sulfur cycle, and probably many/most other important cycles, but if food is grown on carefully nurtured soils that haven't been ruined by conventional methods, they might stand a chance at "goodness".

We make sure our goats get a little garlic every day, no matter what else they have, and it is primarily for the sulfur content.  It seems to be excellent for their skin and coat.

Re the cottage cheese, I too try to include a little every day--an excellent food.
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on July 29, 2018, 02:03:19 PM
My guess is that the organic alliums and brassicas would be a high-quality source of sulfur, which may even exist in an easily assimilated colloid form in the juices of those veggies.  Cottage cheese would also contain sulfur in another bio-available form, being attached to an amino acid (a.k.a. "sulfurated amino acid").
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on August 12, 2018, 01:41:28 PM
(Saw this a couple of days ago, and although milk thistle has been mentioned before, this article mentions several uses for the herb I had never heard such as for depression, as well as an anti-fungal.)

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/milk-thistle-nutrition-news-2657.html
How milk thistle extract can support liver health and healing
Posted by: Lori Alton, staff writer in Natural Healing, Nutrition News August 7, 2018 2 Comments


(Naturalhealth365) With its spiky purple flowers and dull green leaves, milk thistle may appear to be nothing more than an ordinary weed growing wild in vacant lots and fields. Yet, when it comes to fighting disease and promoting healing, this unimpressive-looking plant is truly a shining star.

Milk thistle, scientifically known as Silybum marianum, is prized by natural healers for its ability to treat liver ailments – including nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, currently reaching epidemic proportions in the United States.  But supporting liver health is not milk thistle’s only gift. Discover how this extraordinary herb can help you.

Milk thistle protects against toxic effects from cancer treatment, arrests tumors

The active ingredient in milk thistle, an antioxidant flavonoid known as silymarin, reduces the inflammation and oxidative damage that can trigger cancer. In addition, it helps to preserve glutathione, the body’s premier inflammation-fighting antioxidant.

Scientists have known for some time that milk thistle may act against cancer. In a review conducted in 2007 at the University of Minnesota, researchers cited “strong evidence” for silymarin’s liver-protective and anti-cancer effects. Significantly, they credited silymarin with combating cancer by inhibiting the binding of toxins to cell membrane receptors.

In a new study published in The International Journal of Oncology, researchers found that silibinin, a form of silymarin, suppressed chemoresistance – in which cancer fails to respond to the effects of drugs.  The team noted that silibinin also prevented further malignancy, protected against potentially cancer-causing DNA mutations and inhibited tumor growth.

In other research, researchers found that silymarin also helps to prevent liver damage from chemotherapy, while protecting skin and mucosal lining from damage from radiation therapy.

Milk thistle is a potent antifungal agent

Overgrowth of Candida albicans, a common fungus, can cause symptoms of fatigue, “brain fog,” digestive problems and skin rashes. And, a growing problem of drug resistance in pharmaceutical antifungals – which parallels the current epidemic of antibiotic resistance – can make Candida difficult to treat.  Researchers have found that silymarin can penetrate the cell membrane of the Candida microbe, stopping the growth and spread of the pathogen and helping to clear the overgrowth.

Silymarin is also effective in blocking and inhibiting biofilms, layered communities of pathogenic microorganisms that are stubbornly resistant to treatment.

Silymarin helps to regulate glucose levels

For the past thousand years, herbal and Ayurvedic healers have been advising milk thistle to treat diabetes – and modern research confirms the value of this ancient remedy.  In one recent study, a 90-day course of a combination of milk thistle, boswellia and nettles slashed hemoglobin A1c levels – a measure of blood sugar over several months – by a substantial 19 percent.
The herbal combination also drastically reduced blood sugar levels – from an average of 150 to 180 mg/dL down to an average of 124 mg/dL – and reduced triglyceride levels as well.

In addition, a just-published cell study shows that silymarin protects the retina from diabetic damage– a common consequence of the disease.

The Big NEWS: Milk thistle treats a range of liver diseases


Milk thistle’s main claim to fame, of course, is its ability to improve liver enzymes, rebuild liver cells and alleviate liver ailments. In addition to easing hepatitis and cirrhosis, milk thistle shows promise in treating nonalcoholic fatty liver disease and halting the progression to steatohepatitis, a more serious form of the condition.
Research has supported milk thistle’s beneficial effects on liver disease, with one study showing that hepatitis patients treated with silymarin returned to work sooner, and experienced less depression and anxiety, than those in the control group.

In addition, milk thistle helps to detoxify the liver and to protect against injury from heavy metals and drugs.
In a review published in Phytotherapy Research, the team credited silymarin with reducing liver injury caused by an array of toxins, drugs and heavy metals – including acetaminophen, carbon tetrachloride, radiation, alcohol, iron overload and Amanita phalloides, a type of poisonous mushroom.

(Bonus: milk thistle’s protective effects extend to the stomach, as well. The herb has been shown to suppress gastric inflammation and protect against ulcers caused by non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs).

Surprising fact: Milk thistle has antidepressant properties
Yet another surprising benefit of milk thistle is its ability to function as a natural mood elevator.
Animal studies support its ability to reduce anxiety and depression caused by traumatic brain injury, which it appears to do by reducing activity of microglial cells caused by disturbance in the neural circuits between the limbic system and the cortex of the brain.
In one study, silymarin performed as well as the pharmaceutical drugs fluoxetine (Prozac) and diazepam (Valium) in supporting mood.
Researchers noted that silymarin reversed stress-induced changes to the hippocampus and cerebral cortex, while boosting levels of the neurotransmitters serotonin and dopamine.

Because of silymarin’s ability to reduce inflammation and neurodegeneration, researchers are even exploring its potential to prevent and treat Alzheimer’s disease.

How should I take milk thistle?
For detoxification, experts recommend temporary short-term dosages of 150 mg, taken one to three times a day. For liver support, maintenance and longer-term use, an integrative healthcare provider may recommend dosages in the area of 50 to 150 mg a day. For best results, use a formulation standardized to 70 to 80 percent silymarin.
As always, consult with your doctor to determine if milk thistle is right for you, and to arrive at a proper dosage. Milk thistle is generally considered safe and is well tolerated – but can cause mild digestive upset in high doses.
(Note: if you are allergic to any member of the aster family – such as daisies, ragweed, marigolds or chrysanthemums – don’t take milk thistle).
Milk thistle has long been revered for its ability to cleanse and detoxify the liver. But recent research confirming its ability to treat other diseases demonstrates that this herb is both valuable and versatile.
Editor’s note: LuvByNature Liposomal LiverLuv is my Number ONE pick for supporting liver health, detoxification and glutathione levels.  Click here to order today!*
*And, yes, your purchases help to support our operations at NaturalHealth365. (Editor's note:  one can also grow milk thistle during spring and/or summer in most locales, thereby creating one's own seed supply, which is the source of silymarin, etc.)
Sources for this article include:
NIH.gov
NaturalHealth365.com
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on August 12, 2018, 04:30:12 PM
I like to make a blend of iced tea using the Alvita milk thistle tea bags + green tea + black tea + Alvita hawthorn tea.  Drunk daily, it is a nice gentle tonic that addresses several tissues, organs and systems.  The milk thistle even has a faint sweetness to it.

The only downside is that it leaves the tea pitcher a bit slimy, and in need of a good scrubbing periodically.  :)

Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: ilinda on August 13, 2018, 07:32:54 PM
So milk thistle is really worth trying.  It is such a beautiful plant--not fun to touch though!

Do you drink your tea while relaxing in the morning, or afternoon?
Title: Re: Survivalists' ideas on Medical and Health ideas
Post by: R.R. Book on August 14, 2018, 08:22:16 AM
Well, up until recently I drank it all day long in lieu of water, but have altered the balance toward drinking more water during the day, sometimes with baking soda stirred in.