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Title: Alternative power generators
Post by: Jimfarmer on November 03, 2011, 09:15:02 AM
Another free-energy generator is publicized at http://www.johnsonmotor.org/ (http://www.johnsonmotor.org/).

$47 for the building instructions.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: jrobert69 on November 03, 2011, 01:46:03 PM
Anyone try this? I listened to it, they mentioned patent quite a few times. Sounds suspicious.
Con
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_perpetual_motion_machines
The history of perpetual motion machines dates back to the Middle Ages. For millennia, it was not clear whether perpetual motion devices were possible or not, but the development of modern theories of thermodynamics has indicated that they are impossible. Despite this, many attempts have been made to construct such machines, continuing into modern times. Modern designers and proponents often use other terms, such as "over-unity", to describe their inventions.


http://amasci.com/freenrg/fnrg.html
WARNING WARNING WARNING!
DO NOT GIVE MONEY TO PEOPLE INVOLVED IN "FREE ENERGY"!!!!
Several legitimate free energy researchers do exist, but they don't spend huge amounts on advertising like the scammers do. You probably won't have heard of them. The people who pursue wide publicity are almost all scam artists. If someone is making large amounts of money from selling books and videos on free energy, be very suspicious. If someone is selling plans for "real" free-energy devices, they are a ripoff. Don't waste your money. Or if someone is selling "Dealer ships" or invest ment oppor tunities for a free energy corp, hold tight to your wallet and RUN! Or, if you've already let them get their hands on your money, ask to see proof of the FE device, and see what excuse you're given. (It will be a very convincing excuse. Scam artists don't act sneaky. Scam artists survive because they seem far MORE honest and honorable than a normal person.) Remember that the "con" in "con game" means "confidence." They win your confidence first, then they go after your money. How to tell the difference between a con game and a real product? Easy: if you give them money before receiving a working FE device, then it's a scam, always.



Pro though looks more like advertising than a honest review.
http://www.freenergy4u.com/hojo-motor-review

Another "well written" review like above
http://articlesbright.com/society/energy/hojo-motor-review-does-howard-johnsons-free-electricity-generator-really-work


At this point almost every positive article, and Ive looked at dozens, look like they were written by the same person. Same format and all trying to sell the product. This product was put out originally around 1980. On the Cover of Science and Mechanics.  http://www.rexresearch.com/johnson/1johnson.htm

They come at you suggesting they were squashed by power companies. Now he is out to help everyone. Not one negative review to be found in the first 5 pages of google. Id have to say if I was a powerful electric company, I would make sure there were negative reviews. And after 5 google pages of links noone actually claiming it works as advertised.

Id have togo with smells fishy. Of course it wouldnt be the first time I was wrong...

just to add- Im looking at alternate energy sources now for my home, getting generator and solar panels. Thats why I got all into looking at it. I start seeing stuff like this I get all excited as it would be very cost effective.

Title: Alternative power generators
Post by: Jimfarmer on November 03, 2011, 02:51:17 PM
Anyone try this? I listened to it, they mentioned patent quite a few times. Sounds suspicious.
Con
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_perpetual_motion_machines
The history of perpetual motion machines dates back to the Middle Ages. For millennia, it was not clear whether perpetual motion devices were possible or not, but the development of modern theories of thermodynamics has indicated that they are impossible. Despite this, many attempts have been made to construct such machines, continuing into modern times. Modern designers and proponents often use other terms, such as "over-unity", to describe their inventions.

Those theories of thermodynamics state that energy cannot be created, which is still correct (as far as I know),  BUT the source of energy for the over-unity machines is the vibrations of the Strings that String Theory professes and which do imbue vacuum space with an enormous quantity of energy.  The trick is to tap into that source.

Over the years I have seen announcements of several free-energy machines.  My favorite was http://www.lutec.com.au/ (http://www.lutec.com.au/) but they have gone quiet.  A "Free Energy Directory" is at http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/ (http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/) .  This is part of their comments on the Johnson Motor: "information.  not sufficient to build a working device."
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: jrobert69 on November 03, 2011, 04:05:07 PM
Would of been sweet and great timing. With a power source like that you could set up shop anywhere. Its a preppers dream. I do believe that such a device exists and was created by Nikola Tesla. Damn shame we dont know how to build it.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: errrv on November 03, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
Jrobert, look under bill xam's posts. He made a video showing how to make a tesla design of zero point energy device that costs about $2 to make from simple parts at radio shack. Minimal soldering. He powers a phone with it I think.
Erv
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: terrypat on November 04, 2011, 12:41:43 PM
An article appearing in the New York Daily News, April 2, 1934 titled "Tesla's Wireless Power Dream Nears Reality" mentions the planned "test run of a motor car [for a distance of 30 or 40 miles] over a stretch of [Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe] railway track [running from Boise City, Oklahoma] to Farley, N. M." using wireless transmission of electrical energy to power the vehicle.  The equipment was assembled by "two Californians" and is described as "including a high-powered radio transmitter with big coils and short antenna."

According to Arthur Mathews, Tesla himself demonstrated the wireless transmission of electrical energy just prior to this.  The transmitter, described as a recreation of the Colorado Springs transformer, was assembled at a large camp in the woods near Sanford, Quebec, Canada.  The power supply was a gasoline-motor driven 75 KW generator.  Wireless energy transmission was demonstrated between Sanford and Tadoussac, a distance of about 120 miles.  The distance between Buffalo, New York and the Sanford transmitter site is about 425 miles.

In 1922 Tesla spoke about the application of wireless transmission to transportation systems.

    Question : Will not wireless transmission of energy result in time in the moving of practically all means of transportation with electrical energy from central power stations?

    MR. TESLA : No, I do not expect that such will be the case, for the transportation systems now used present certain important practical advantages which cannot be disregarded.

    Question: Will not automobiles, for instance, be operated merely by the operative "cutting in" on electrical energy supplied by wireless from power stations?

    MR. TESLA : I fear we shall not live to see the wireless system in general use for this purpose.  It is difficult to propel an automobile by the new method for reasons with which experts are familiar. Success can be much more easily achieved in the case of airships.

    In time to come it is possible that some form of automobile may be perfected that will enable this propulsion of such vehicles to be effected by power drawn from the ambient medium. [Glass, J. P. , "Tremendous Possibilities of Radio, An Interview With Nikola Tesla," Radio News, November 1922.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ironoxide666 on February 06, 2012, 02:07:20 AM
i have been tinkering with electronics since i was 5 and i have searched for this anser to perpetual energy? the closest i have theriorized was to take a compatable electric motor, and place a belt drive on it, this is the tricky part. in orde to start it it has to have a jump start from a 12 volt battery that runs to a capacitor , conjuncted into a junction box, one would need two power outputs on the junction box and one ac converter to run batterys dc, current. it should be around 13 to 14 dc volts. once you have sustanable current coming from the generator to power your battery, u need to wire it directly into the moter that turns the generator. take the second main wires from the generator and run to junction box, put breaker switches in and install accordingly to factory specs usally find the max volts rating and use breakers accordingly. hope this helped somebody, it has been an theriorie of mine since i was a child. also there is a everyday joe who supposely came up with my same idea and made it work, key word in youtube(self running generator)
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: Jimfarmer on October 07, 2012, 03:16:54 PM
I have seen this before, but I don't remember if anyone in PX TH reported trying it.  Anyway, http://www.power4home.com/ (http://www.power4home.com/) sells manuals for making solar panels and wind-turbine generators.  They claim that their systems cost only $100 to $200 (rounded up by me) to build.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: 1969quartz0 on October 07, 2012, 06:10:20 PM
Jim you can buy solar panels cheaper then you can build the them right now. I just bought Sharp 240 watt solar panels for 87 cents a watt 91 cents a watt delivered. A lot of the QE 1&2 solar plants are going bankrupt and selling the extra stock cheap Sharp is moving to Japan and a new tax on Chinese panels coming at the end of the year said to me now is the time to buy solar if you ever wanted to.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: Endtimesgal_2012 on October 08, 2012, 07:33:29 AM
Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone had solar panels?
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: Jimfarmer on March 28, 2014, 09:33:09 PM
Here is the link to the detailed design of a free-energy electricity generator:

 http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf (http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf)


Source: http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/qeg-open-sourced/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/qeg-open-sourced/)
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: icthruyou on November 27, 2014, 04:22:29 PM
Everything you ever wanted to know about the state of "free energy, overunity, vacuum energy, etc" can be found on peswiki; a crossroads of sorts that covers the kooky to the plausible. One-stop shopping with a mind on debunking the charlatans and giving rise to credible forms of energy devices.

Link to the mainpage: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: icthruyou on November 27, 2014, 05:21:35 PM
I suppose it would be appropriate to give my experiences as relates to some of these devices. I have been interested in this kind of technology for a very long time and have dabbled in a couple of areas. The novelty is quite intriguing and who knows what may result was my thinking?

My first project was to replicate the "Bedini Simple School-girl Motor" which was a success. It took some doing, a few transistors, a couple diodes, some magnets, a vcr head (for the smooth bearing operation), acrylic, self-made bifilar coils and a couple 12 volt batteries. In the end I produced more than I was putting in with the run-battery charging the charge battery and an LED. The working principle was (I am no expert, just followed instructions) called "back EMF" and I believe the theory is that if the electron flow of a wire is subjected to a magnetic force (i.e. the magnet approaching and passing the energized magnetic coil) the emf could momentarily interrupt the flow of electrons in the circuit causing an "imbalance" that the aether would replace to maintain the proper flow. Thus you were extracting power from the vacuum in an effort to maintain balance in a circuit. I know when it was done correctly the whole circuit "sang" in resonance. That was what I aimed for; the transistor to sing because it appeared to be required and when it did that motor would fly! I measured it with a visual tach-measuring device and I easily obtained 12,000 rpms and approached 14,000 at times. Funny thing was the more speed wasn't synonymous with output power, there was a sweet-spot that had to be found so a potentiometer is employed to dial in the best output. My first unit was shaky at best (first run threw the magnets at about 8,000 revies, I was lucky in that I hit a hole or else it would have been me that needed patching instead of my drywall) so it was dismantled with improving the structure in a permanent way and as anyone can relate life got busy, in the way and I haven't gotten back.

The main reason I didn't get back was because I made an HHO generator and installed it in my '91 Ford Bronco. Let me just say this - it is a travesty that every car rolling off of the production line doesn't have one. The benefits are enormous and the drawbacks are few to none. But that will be another post cause I've got to go. If anyone is interested in the HHO let me know and I'll write it up. Don't want to waste time if no one is interested, life is busy enough......   
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on November 29, 2014, 06:34:33 AM
There might be interest, but most, including myself aren't technologically savvy enough to understand what you are doing by reading this first post.

I do have an interest in a lot of this stuff, as back in the 80's, I visited now-deceased John Lorenzen who showed me his "workshop" which would dwarf most I've seen.  He did a lot with electrolysis and at age 87 when I visited him, he had been off-grid his entire life, living with wind and solar power.  He even built his own wind chargers from stuff he found in the town dump.  He was a real genius.  I did videotape my visit with him and really need to revisit it all.

I'm not sure how subjecting a wire that has electrons flowing through it, to a magnetic force, can interrupt the flow of electrons in that circuit.  It is my understanding that just the flow of electrons itself causes the formation of a magnetic field around that wire.  Stop the flow and the magnetic field collapses.  Does that mean the externally applied magnetic force is larger/greater than the one naturally surrounding the wire?

Is your HHO generator in your '91 Ford Bronco a hydrogen generator?  That is one of the many things that John Lorenzen did.  He showed me his setup to electrolyze water and send the hydrogen directly into the carburetor of his pickup truck.  (He let the oxygen offgas naturally.)  He said that by injecting hydrogen directly into the carburetor, along with plain air, he increased his gas mileage by ?30%  I cannot recall the exact percentage, but IIRC it was about 30% and that's why I need to re-watch the video.

I'd be interested in hearing more.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: icthruyou on November 30, 2014, 08:59:11 AM
The Bedini stuff is a mystery to me too (electrical is not my thing; but I can follow instructions). I believe the theory indicated was from Tom Beardin..........it's been a while and I've definitely slept since then. Interesting stuff that made an indelible mark on my mindset; not the least of which is don't accept things at face-value. It was a tough day when I realized that the "grown-ups" were as lost, if not more so, than us kids at the time. In a world full of experts filled with volume after volume of collected knowledge the "truth" could remain obscure and in fact be obscured by elder academic community. It didn't help that I was raised by two very good parents that could protect us kids from thinking that there were forces in the world that would intentionally hide the truth in order to exploit people for personal gain; thankfully they left that personality trait out while raising us.

The HHO Generator was a very fun project. Not hard at all to do either. It is an "on-demand" system that only generates HHO while the truck is running. Hydrogen has some interesting properties and the system is very safe in spite of the rapid burn-rate of the gas. The system is an excellent compliment to a gasoline engine and everyone is naturally trying to find the way to substitute a water-powered engine for the gasoline one but the hurdle of producing enough gas on-demand has proven too high a mark to achieve. So far.

The generator has SS plates placed 2 - 3 mm apart with alternating + and - They are 4" round with a 5/16" hole in the center and .06" thickness. A long piece of nylon all-thread is used to place them next to one another and nylon washers to insulate the appropriate plates and a SS 5/16 nut used to bridge connect the like-polarity. At each end of the set-up is a positive connection and in the middle is a negative plate. This allowed for 4 pairs of plates on either side of the negative, each set using about 3 volts. The electrolyte can be either acidic or basic but I found that basic produced more gas. The vessel is sealed with the gas-tube leaving the top of the electrolyzing container and entering into a "bubbler". Basically the bubbler was a safety device made from 2" PVC pipe with a "Y" on top. The gas-tube entered the top and was continued, unbroken (like a drinking straw) to the bottom of the 2" pipe (capped on the bottom and filled halfway with water). This forces the hydrogen to be pushed through water and acted as a backfire suppressing device. Should the hydrogen be ignited outside the combustion chamber the bubbler was as far back as it could go leaving the bulk of the H production safely protected from ignition.

The '91 is fuel injected so the HHO was piped directly into the fresh-air intake between the filter and manifold. The ECM had to be dealt with in terms of the MAF and MAP sensors. A plug-in, set-it-and-forget-it unit was purchased for about $90. This is not a step which can be skipped on fuel injected automobiles. In fact if you do you will see an increase in fuel consumption because the ECM thinks the engine is running lean due to the presence of unburned oxygen. As a result the injectors are opened up and more gas is dumped in to compensate for the unburned oxygen.

Now the benefits - if you have owned a vehicle made in the late 80's and into the 90's you will know of the acrid smelling exhaust produced by these cars. It's hard to describe the smell other than it is very distinctive. I always attributed it to the early days of emission control development. Anyway, after a week of HHO operation on the truck - GONE. Not just gone you could put your face in the exhaust-pipe-flow and couldn't smell anything. You sense the humidity, moisture is produced when you burn hydrogen (it returns to H2O when ignited) which brings me to benefit #2 - you literally wash out your engine. Valve deposits and carbon build-up are taken out by the water created during the hydrogen's burn.

The overall operation of the engine seems much smoother. Other then the damn idler pulley (a Ford curse to be sure) squeaking the 140,000 mile engine has settled down and purrs like a kitten. I'm heavy on the foot and there is a definite uptick in the response. So I'm guessing the $64,000 question is gas mileage improvement right? Well depending solely on the behavior of the person-behind-the-wheel the best I've seen thus far is a modest 20% increase in fuel efficiency. That's a game-changer and speaks volumes about the irresponsible nature of the fossil-fuel industry and companies that utilize the resource in their product. It sort of illustrates the evil nature behind some things. Like the banking crisis and the bailout we provided. Why didn't we hand the money to Americans that were out of work and couldn't make their house payments so they could do what with it? That's right.........they'd have paid their mortgage and the bank would have gotten it anyway. It's not like people behind on their house payments would have blown it all on hats or bought that Pez collection they've been dreaming about since childhood or keep it hidden in off-shore accounts to avoid taxes. Even if they did avoid the bank at least it would have gone into the real economy; spent locally and in the U.S. Instead we, the ones who got the bill, were skipped in the benefit of the money in its entirety and given the bill in total. That's not only very stupid of us but illustrates the evil intentions of the elite. That is a different thread entirely but illustrates the our collective stupidity, TPTB's willingness to do us harm and the benefits all around from this simple addition to something that does have an enormous impact now and will have tomorrow as well.

I have heard the argument made that it isn't safe.........remember the Hindenburg? Oh the humanity! To this I simply say - not even the same sport, arena or hell, even town. First of all the volume of H in a generator to the vehicle it is helping power on a ratio-basis vs. the Zeppelin is not even close to the probable plus/minus error margin much less the real number (it is probably statistically insignificant). Not to mention the fact that hydrogen shares a characteristic with only one other gas, helium, in that the gravity of our planet is unable to hold it within our atmosphere. This makes it a tricky gas to contain in the first place but also gives it the unique ability to leave the area immediately once released. Unlike, for example, propane which is heavier than our local atmosphere and will have a tendency to fall to the ground and "pool" if the region is contained without fresh air to force it out. So it will hangout, with other propane molecules and wait for an ignition source. Hydrogen is long gone, zooming at a 40 mph pace out into space once liberated from its tank and remember we're not even storing any volume; we consume what we produce within moments of production.

So fire away with any questions you may have I'm sure I missed a bunch......       
 
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on December 02, 2014, 07:55:22 AM
Thanks for your long explanation.  I'll dig into it a bit more in a few days, but for now, I'll have to agree with you about the ridiculous assumption or claim by some that these little generators are "dangerous" like the Hindenberg.  The Hindenberg was full of STORED hydrogen.  Yikes--an explosion waiting to happen.  But these things we are talking about use hydrogen about as fast as it is being produced. 

The main difference between Mr. Lorenzen's gizmo and the one you describe is that he let the oxygen offgas and piped only the hydrogen into the carburetor.  He even gave me a set of the plates for making my own generator, which I have carefully stored away.  Thanks for the reminder about all of this, because the plates need to come out of hiding and be stored in a safer location.

Another thing is that Mr. Lorenzen's device did not deal with the newer fuel-injection vehicles.

Ok, in a few days when I get some time away from farm projects, will reply to the rest of your interesting post.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: icthruyou on December 04, 2014, 05:03:49 AM
I think the problem with much of the perceptions surrounding hydrogen generators is the unrelenting  campaign directed at debasing the credible uses of anything other than fossil fuels. The advancement of the hydrogen movement has been plagued with misconceptions, derogatory  labels, being barred from legitimate research resources (in the engineering and scientific realms)  by the banishment  choosing such a field was certain to bring a professional opting such a direction, deprivation of funding through both government and academia and ridicule for "harebrained" schemes.

I have recently begun construction of a "dry cell" design to replace my wet-plate system. I mention this because I would recommend taking a look into the alternative configuration which trumps the wet-plate in all categories. One of the nagging problems of the wet-plate design is the need to submerge the electrical connections in order to power the plates posing a spark risk with accompanying possible explosion. Further, the plates being in the electrolyte 100%, causes current leakage to be lost into the reservoir instead of between the plates where electrolysis occurs. This leaking current causes  more power to be consumed in the form of heating the electrolyte and obviously becoming less efficient. In a dry-cell the current is contained and "forced" thru the plates and cell only where liquid contacts metal. This is due to the plates being wider than the cell and use gasketing to seal the center area of the plate leaving the outer edge dry. In addition the power is connected outside the liquid  as well keeping the chances of the rapidly expanding gasses in the combustion chamber and not the generator.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on December 04, 2014, 06:52:39 AM
By "dry cell" I assume you mean a hydrogen fuel cell, the terminology commonly used.  I do have a book on producing hydrogen via fuel cells, but it's over my head because I'm not familiar with the inner working of an internal combustion engine.  (Only have a few vague clues here and there!)  The book is geared for people who have that knowledge, plus want to make these fuel cells and then incorporate them into vehicles. 

The one thing I should mention that Lorenzen told me (not sure if it's on the videotape I made of our conversation) was that one of his friends who also dabbled in electrolysis of water, was doing similar things, but this guy not only collected the hydrogen, but also captured the oxygen in a tank.  The guy used a rubber gasket to help create a tight seal, and discovered the hard way that using rubber with stored oxygen in a tank was a recipe for disaster.  He said that over time, there's some reaction between the rubber and the stored oxygen and an eventual explosion occurred which burned down the guy's workshop and almost killed him in the process.  So Lorenzen decided to keep only the hydrogen and let all oxygen off-gas.

I'm still ignorant about the dry cell design you talk of, but will study on it more, but also felt compelled to mention the rubber/oxygen connection, in the event that dry cell does somehow create an opportunity for oxygen to come in contact with a material conducive to oxidation.

Soon I'll dig out the plates Lorenzen made and re-watch the video and hope to report something interesting--anything interesting.

BTW, what kind of gasketing will seal the "center area of the plate" you mentioned?
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: icthruyou on December 05, 2014, 09:05:11 AM
That's interesting about the oxygen. I guess I should be more clear on what we do with what is made. The generator takes water (made more conductive by ph adjustment, either direction works but basic or alkaline is better) and through the use of electricity breaks it into its constituent parts: 2 hydrogen molecules and 1 oxygen molecule. Water is consumed during this process. The gas produced is done so in a sealed container (both a wet-cell and dry-cell produce the same gas. The mixture of HHO is referred to as hydroxy or Brown's gas. I believe in a fuel cell the are separated through the use of a membrane - we do not do this in this application. We take the gas made and pipe it directly into the intake-air-stream of the engine's fresh-air intake that is mixed with gasoline in the combustion chamber. If you really stop and think about it an internal combustion engine is nothing more than an elaborate air pump. It takes air from the atmosphere, draws it into the engine where it is mixed with a flammable liquid. The mixture's chamber is then compressed and ignited causing an explosion (an explosion is defined as a rapid expansion of gases). This results in the piston used for compressing the chamber to be shoved back in the direction from whence it came and the result is the movement of a rotating assembly (the crankshaft). The spent air/ fuel mixture is then pushed out of the chamber, eventually making its way down the exhaust to atmosphere again. So in essence the engine merely pumps air from the top of the engine to the tail-pipe. Our aim in introducing HHO is to make that process more efficient. With HHO there are no adulterants as it is a water molecule's ingredients we pipe into the engine. From what I understand the HHO greatly enhances the ability to utilize the gasoline more completely by aiding in more fully burning it at the time of explosion. Not to mention that we also introduce a gas that is itself compressible and flammable (the hydrogen) into the same chamber as the oxygen and gasoline normally present making the whole process work better (reads that it needs less gas to do the same work).

An important feature of the HHO generator (both dry and wet) is the use of a bubbler. A bubbler buffers the flow of gas made by the generator and effectively isolates the production of the gas from the burning of the gas. This is done by passing the HHO through water contained in a separate vessel. The gas is piped into this vessel where it must exit the input pipe at the bottom of the water and pass through the water and then is routed to the point-of-entry on the engine. Should the HHO mixture being introduced into the engine somehow ignite before being isolated in the combustion chamber it can only burn as far back as the water vessel because it cannot burn through the water it is passed through.

The Dry Cell

It confused the hell out of me in the beginning because I thought that something different was being done making it different from the wet cell. This is not the case. Both processes use SS plates placed closely together, electricity and water to make HHO. It has been determined that the optimum voltage for splitting the water molecule up is 1.48 VDC; anything more is wasted  and only heats up the water which is a loss of power. So the plate configuration is determined on the voltage available. In the dry cell each cell contains a positive plate (literally hooked to the positive VDC, a negative plate (literally hooked to ground) and 3 neutral plates. The order is positive, neutral, neutral, neutral and finally negative. They are held 2 to 3 millimeters apart by a gasket material. The material goes around the entire edge of the plate and when installed between two plates it leaves a small cavity between the plates where electrolyte will be. It is called dry because the plates aren't submerged in the water, rather the water is contained by the plates and this exposes the water being split up and only the water being split up to the electricity.

The gasket material should be any thin material that can seal water on a SS surface and be resistant to the ph level chosen. I use neoprene or buna to seal mine.

Gotta go....more later......
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: Yowbarb on December 05, 2014, 11:03:13 AM
icthruyou - and also ilinda - thanks for your interesting posts here...  :)
Keep on a - posting and maybe the readers can distill the info and get some good out of all this.
This is a really important topic!

- Yowbarb
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on December 05, 2014, 04:43:15 PM
Thanks Barb, as I was hoping someone besides just two were following this.

I do plan to re-view the videotape, now on DVD, I made of my interview with the now-deceased John Lorenzen a real whiz-bang genius who lived in Iowa as a farmer, but oh, what a workshop he had.  More on that later.

Also, I should mention this to entice others to get involved in this stuff.  It might be a real challenge to produce hydrogen for energy in a full-scale system such as for a car, etc., however, we have to start small.

 In my high school chemistry class some of the students who were really interested and working "ahead" were allowed/guided by the teacher to do a lot of hands-on, advanced projects.  One of those was to electrolyze water into hydrogen and oxygen.  At the time, I never understood why we did certain things the way we did.  For one, after we had broken water down into its elements, hydrogen and oxygen, we were to carry the litle test tube (in which we collected hydrogen) over to the other side of the room so we could test it for hydrogen.  Now I see WHY we couldn't just test it at the same bench where we isolated and collected it.  We were teenagers!  We probably had pretty short term memory and were probably a bit cocky, etc.  If we had been allowed to test for hydrogen in the presence of pure oxygen--OMG, a possible disaster.  So, wisely, we each carried our test tube, UPSIDE DOWN, across the room for testing.

Anyway, I bring up this little vignette to show how easy it can be to break apart water molecules and in the process end up with hydrogen.  It was that chemistry class that stayed with me all those years and led to my visiting Lorenzen.  More on this later.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: Yowbarb on December 05, 2014, 09:57:49 PM
Linda I am looking forward to seeing some of that interview...
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on December 06, 2014, 05:52:08 AM
Last night I watched the Lorenzen video for the first time in years.  The interview was in 1992, altho' my memory said late '80's.  He was 83 at time and still working every day, all day, in his workshop which was more like the factory floor of some large manufacturing establishment.

There is too much for this post, and in a future post, I'll try to add a few shots of various of his many projects, one of which was that he built what solar power people call inverters.  He had built several of them, with a 32 volt unit from a vehicle at one end, and out the other end was coming 110 Volts for feeding to his house.

He showed his battery room with 170 batteries that contained potassium hydroxide, potash, rather than lead acid.  He said he only needed to add rain water every four months or so, and maybe every 15 years add a bit of potash which he bought from a chemical company in large drums.  But he did say that for his little projects of electrolyzing water (he had a number of them ongoing) he used well water, as it had enough iron for his purposes.  He said city water or distilled water would not work as there are not enough minerals contained therein.

He was very cautious in some ways that most average people would not understand.  He knew, and talked about, the power and influence of the oil companies and told of a young man who was the son of a friend of his.  That young man had just gotten out of WWII and was working on an alternative power vehicle that could go across the country on very little, or no, fuel, being assisted with hydrogen.  He was approached by "the big guys" about selling his invention or working with them, something like that, and he steadfastly refused.  His parents said he went into town one day (in his newfangled car) and was never seen since.  Nor was his car seen again.  Lorenzen had several friends who were also tinkering in this alternative energy and they all would warn each other not to attract too much attention, and especially do not talk about mass-producing a device or vehicle that could run without gasoline, or they would go the same way as that young man.

He showed me a picture of a tractor that ran on 100% water, by electrolyzing it into hydrogen and oxygen, and using the hydrogen as the fuel.  I'll try to get a still pic of that fascinating tractor.  From all he said, those who managed to create these amazing vehicles/devices and still remain alive are the ones who agreed to "work with" the oil companies by selling the rights to them for a one or two million dollars, and then that invention never sees the light of day again.  That is what the oil companies want.

Maybe it is different now, NOT that the oil companies are run by compassionate and kind people now, but because the internet has created a bit more autonomy and interaction between peoples which makes it harder for the corporados to control everything. 

Hope to post something more soon.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on December 07, 2014, 06:30:40 AM
In viewing Lorenzen again, I realize it's important to note the difference in water he uses for his small demo-type projects, and the water he uses for large tank storage.

In his small demo's, the water container looks like a translucent plastic ice-cream container that formerly held 1 gallon of ice cream.  It is filled with well water and while he mentioned that it contains enough iron to be good enough to conduct electron flow, it is obvious by looking at it too, as it has iron deposits here and there, sort of like a sink or bathtub using a high-iron water well.  For that he just runs water directly from the faucet that is connected to the water well. 

The large stainless steel holding tank where electrolysis takes place and holds about 8 gallons of water is different.  He stated that the iron in the water isn't enough.  He said he uses 1/2 cup of battery acid to 8 gallons of water in that system.  The tank contains the same type of "plates and dividers" he gifted to me for a smaller project; he said the hydrogen is piped to his outdoor storage tank, and that the oxygen generated is simply off-gassed to the outdoors.

I'm attaching three photos:
 1) the small ice-cream container like setup for demo purposes, showing (look closely) the bubbles erupting at the surface of the water;
 2) the 8 gallon tank of water being electrolyzed with hydrogen being sent to outdoor tank as described above; and
 3) a sign in his shop that talks of tax free energy of the future".

Much more to come.  Now if I can only find my notes made while there...
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on December 07, 2014, 06:35:32 AM
Just to mention, the photographs are taken with a camera aimed at the TV screen which is showing the video from the DVD made from the original VHS tape.  Whew!  That is why the clarity isn't topnotch.  Still, it will do.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: icthruyou on December 07, 2014, 06:57:26 PM
Ilinda - thank you very much forsharing what you have on the subject. I have questions and I am giving you time to get the info you have up. I mention this onlyso you know that I may be only one person who is interested but I am looking forward to being able to learn anything which helps build the base of a sturdy foundation. I appreciate the time you are putting into the discussion and I don't want you to think I  am not interested because I haven't yet let fly any questions. Patience is a skill that should be taught as a class in school, it took me too long to learn the practice of it and far too long to apply it in the proper areas. People first and foremost get all I can muster no matter how interesting the topic.

Yowbarb - thank you and it is a pleasure to be having interesting discussions with like-minded  people. The world is full of egos and charlatanism and neither has a place among people. I have yet to witness them here........honesty not coerced is such a refreshing thing to witness and unfortunately in today's world a rarity. I do not believe I am cynical just that the world is that bad out there.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: Yowbarb on December 07, 2014, 11:35:11 PM
Just to mention, the photographs are taken with a camera aimed at the TV screen which is showing the video from the DVD made from the original VHS tape.  Whew!  That is why the clarity isn't topnotch.  Still, it will do.
You captured something really special in his face...
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: Yowbarb on December 07, 2014, 11:37:07 PM
icthruyou thanks for your good positive posts here about the Town Hall. We do hope to keep this show on the road as long as possible...
Who knows what the future may bring or if it could be in just a few weeks or months...
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on December 08, 2014, 06:06:17 AM
Ilinda - thank you very much forsharing what you have on the subject. I have questions and I am giving you time to get the info you have up. I mention this onlyso you know that I may be only one person who is interested but I am looking forward to being able to learn anything which helps build the base of a sturdy foundation. I appreciate the time you are putting into the discussion and I don't want you to think I  am not interested because I haven't yet let fly any questions. Patience is a skill that should be taught as a class in school, it took me too long to learn the practice of it and far too long to apply it in the proper areas. People first and foremost get all I can muster no matter how interesting the topic.

Yowbarb - thank you and it is a pleasure to be having interesting discussions with like-minded  people. The world is full of egos and charlatanism and neither has a place among people. I have yet to witness them here........honesty not coerced is such a refreshing thing to witness and unfortunately in today's world a rarity. I do not believe I am cynical just that the world is that bad out there.
Am so glad you have questions, as I too have questions--many of them!  I have not found my notes, and FEAR they are lost because I cannot find the original VHS tape and the notes were always inside the box holding the tape.  But still I shall persevere in looking, searching....    One thing I love about questions is that they often make one think in a different way.

And you are right about the egos and charletans of the world, BTW.

OK, don't worry.  I won't think you are uninterested just because you don't immediately reply.  Because I have wanted, literally for years, to get back to Lorenzen and his projects, and my interest in them, this has been my golden opportunity.  So, what I hope to do is keep posting little bits and pieces of what he has said/done and in that way build up a little base of information about the subject.  This whole area of producing one's own power is really a BIG interest of mine, and no doubt many others as well.

A few tidbits from the interview:  Lorenzen said he was visited by one of the Henry Ford/Ford Motors bigwigs who told him they already have built the hydrogen car but won't release it because of "big oil".   (He was visited by many over the years due to his exposure in various media, as he showed me a folder of newspaper, magazine, etc. articles about him and his work.)  He was also visited by some Canadian researchers who said he/they have a hydrogen car that can go 300 miles on 1 gallon of liquid hydrogen.  He said he knew of three forms of hydrogen:  gas, liquid (under pressure), and powder.  He said he didn't know much about the powder.

I'll probably watch the video or portions of it again and again, as I have a couple of ideas I've been wanting to try for years, but you, icthruyou, have reminded me of that virtue I need to work on!

Barb, appreciate your comments, as always.

Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: icthruyou on December 09, 2014, 05:59:27 AM
Have you had a chance to look into the plate material given to you? I understand that nickel is the best material however, that is cost prohibitive for most so we settle for SS.

How do you plan on using the plates (i.e. in a wet-cell, dry-cell, some other configuration)?

How many plates were you given and was it specified how they were to be used?

Were these plates possibly conditioned as opposed to some exotic material and if so do you know how?

Was there ever a reference to resonance being a factor in the electrical circuit feeding the production unit?

Okay that's quite a bit I know but as I said I'm patient and appreciative for the time.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on December 10, 2014, 08:27:01 AM
Watched parts of video again and stainless steel is what Lorenzen repeatedly talks about using.  In fact he said he uses stainless steel for all his plates and all containers, and about everything except the copper wires and the plastic insulators, washers, nuts, etc. between plates.

I plan to try to build a primitive replica of his wet-cell experiment.  He gave me two plates, one for hydrogen, one for oxygen and the "divider plate" that appears to be a compressed paper or cardboard in plastic.  The two plates are both ss, but one is perforated and the other solid, but he said he just used that, and it has no significance--one being perforated and the other not.  I think he just used what he had.  Or, possibly as a reminder--maybe he always used perforated for hydrogen and always solid for oxygen.

He did not mention any pre-conditioning at all, and his sincerity makes me think if he had, he would have mentioned it.  I feel guilty for taking up his time, but he would be glad others are now seeing his work revisited.

No mention ever of resonance.  I don't think he even mentioned it when not being videotaped, as I sort of resonate with that word and my antennae go up when I hear the word "resonance".  Is it something we need to think about?

Here are a few pictures, and hopefully the titles will be self-explanatory.  The one mislabeled is "MoreElec" which should actually read "More Hydrogen".  He made a long narrow rectangular set of bars/plates and he said he gets much more hydrogen from that configuration.   If anyone has questions about the pics or anything else just yell.

Also I watched a few youtube videos about electrolysis and several ARE really so basic any of us can do/try them.  One, IIRC is titled "Electrolysis Setup".  I'll get the link asap.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on December 10, 2014, 09:01:49 PM
One of many videos on youtube is "Electrolysis of Water Setup" at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CtOrF2ENJg

There are many videos that show how to send an electric current through water, H2O, and get oxygen, O2, and hydrogen H2 offgassing as end products.  The one above is easy to understand but there are so many that I confess to having watched very few of them.

More to follow later.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on December 10, 2014, 09:06:00 PM
CORRECTION:  On message #23, I erred in talking about the amount of battery acid Lorenzen used with the water.

He used 1/4 cup battery acid with 8 gallons water, because in such a large quantity of water, the iron ions were/are not enough to get sufficient action going, thus the need for the battery acid.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on December 14, 2014, 06:17:53 AM
A related video on Youtube.com demonstrates a pickup truck that runs on 100% hydrogen, using technology similar to, but more advanced than, what John Lorenzen used.  In this video, the fuel is contained in the bed of the truck, and inside the cab on the dashboard are a few dials/gauges indicating the status of fuel and its parameters.     Check out and enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjqkHhWUKOU
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on January 26, 2015, 08:40:49 AM
In digging through my books I found one not seen in a while but this one looks DYNAMITE!  It is SOLAR HYDROGEN CHRONICLES edited by Walt Pyle, 1998, H-ION Solar Inc., Richmond, California.

It has nice sized, black print with lots of pictures.  It is divided into sections: Introduction, Production, Purification, Storage, (Utilization of Hydrogen) COOKING, (Utilization of Hydrogen) SPACE HEATING, Making Electricity, Transportation, Acknowledgments, and Future.

One thing really caught my eye and has helped me understand the term "fuel cell" a bit better, although I have so much to learn.  Here are the two paragraphs on page 37 that kind of blew my mind:

"The next day we may have had our first personal demonstration of William Grove's astonishing observation that an electrolyzer can run backwards and become a power source.  Grove discovered in the early 19th Century that the reverse reaction--supplying oxygen and hydrogen to electrodes--causes an electrolyzer to produce direct current electricity and act as a fuel cell.

Before we turned on our power supply the next day, the voltmeter showed about 16 volts DC on the electrolyzer terminals indicating it was acting as a "source".  After that we put a resistive load on the electrolyzer leads and generated about 16 volts and 10 Amps for several hours (160 watts) before it "ran out of gas".  Was the cell acting as a fuel cell, as an alkaline nickel-iron battery, or a combination of both?"


And here is the first paragraph of a chapter entitled "Hydrogen Fuel" by L.E. Spicer:

Hydrogen is an abundant fuel and it is simple to make.  Above the initial cost of the generating equipment, the hydrogen produced can be free.  The only substances used up in making hydrogen are water and electricity.  My electricity comes from a wind generator and the water I use is rainwater.  By using solar cells, the entire process can be done without one moving part.

When time permits hopefully I can include a bit more from this truly educational book.  I love the pictures!
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: Yowbarb on January 27, 2015, 02:12:49 AM
ilinda -fantastic post!  :)
That book seems like a treasure trove of info... ( SOLAR HYDROGEN CHRONICLES )
Thanks,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on January 28, 2015, 09:09:14 AM
Here's yet another fantastic, alternative energy thing, not exactly based on electrolysis as we have been discussing, but using "electrolyte flow cell" technology.  This car runs on salt water and instead of conventional, or Lithium-ion batteries, uses "super capacitors" for storage.  The article has cool pics which for some reason did not copy here.

http://aetherforce.com/electric-car-powered-by-salt-water-920-hp-373-milestank/

Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

It’s finally here folks and it is LEGIT.
Tesla eat your heart out, the Germans have created an electrical car powered by salt water. It has four electric engines and is FAST with some pretty sweet fuel economy for a sports car. Leave the Bugatti at home and stop by the beach to refuel.
============================================

The recent announcement that the Quant e-Sportlimousine, which is a salt water powered car, has been certified for use on European roads is a big sign that the Oil Cartels are losing the energy war.
Since the early 1900s, the Oil Cartels, which are controlled by the Controllers, have been harassing and silencing alternative energy inventors who pose a threat to the Oil Cartels. One of the greatest alternative energy inventors that they silenced was Nikola Tesla.
Unlike traditional cars that run on gasoline, the Quant e-Sportlimousine runs on an electrolyte flow cell power system made by NanoFlowcell that has the ability to generate an astonishing 920 horsepower (680 kW).
This salt water powered car can go from 0-62 mph (100 km/h) in 2.8 seconds and has a top speed of 217.5 mph (350 km/h). The Quant e-Sportlimousine is built by the German company Quant.

Electrolyte flow cell technology has been around for decades, but it wasn’t until recently that certain car manufacturers were given the permission to start building cars that run on electrolyte flow cell technology.
This type of alternative energy technology will eventually make gasoline powered cars obsolete, because using electrolyte flow cell technology to power cars is a lot more efficient and much cleaner than using gasoline.

As described by The Mind Unleashed:
“The car is powered by the electrolyte flow cell power system, which is a part of the NanoFlowcell technology. The system works in a similar way to a hydrogen fuel cell, except for the fact that salt water is used for storing power.
“In particular, two liquids with metallic salts, which act as the electrolyte, are combined in such a way that the electrochemical reaction takes place. After that, electric motors use this reaction to generate electricity, which is then stored and distributed by super capacitors.
“The efficiency of this system reaches 80%, since the car has almost no moving parts in it, and the produced waste heat is insignificant in comparison with cars powered by lithium-ion batteries.”
Alternative energy technologies, such as the electrolyte flow cell system, will become more mainstream as the new paradigm emerges. These types of alternative energy technologies will help solve our “energy crisis” and usher a new age in which we can live without worrying about not having access to cheap and clean energy.

QUANT e-Sportlimousine with nanoFLOWCELL® drive
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: Aldwyn on January 28, 2015, 09:33:32 AM
All I can say is wow.  That is amazing.  Thanks ilinda.
Aldwyn
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: Cardwellti on January 30, 2015, 05:41:14 PM
WOW, your HHO generator sounds neat. Any chance you have any drawings? I am more of a visual guy than a verbal one. I read your explanation of the unit and am largely lost without a drawing to reference. And thanks for sharing something so useful. Tim
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on January 31, 2015, 08:08:32 AM
WOW, your HHO generator sounds neat. Any chance you have any drawings? I am more of a visual guy than a verbal one. I read your explanation of the unit and am largely lost without a drawing to reference. And thanks for sharing something so useful. Tim
Thanks for asking.

Since we've discussed so many types of HHO generators, I have to ask, are you talking about the ones of John Lorenzen, the genius guy I visited in Iowa years ago, and who had built a number of them, and was always working on improving and tweaking the ones he already had?

Or, did you mean some of the ones from that fantastic book, SOLAR HYDROGEN CHRONICLES?

OK, I'll wait to hear from you, so I'll know which unit you are talking about.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on February 11, 2016, 02:21:27 PM
Here we are a year later and there is still a lot of interest in producing one's own power.  OK, in looking through our fairly well-cluttered workshop, I found a very heavy DC motor that looks fairly unused, aside from the cobwebs.  Hubby said he thinks it is the one he removed from the treadmill before junking it.

In looking through youtube videos, it seems there are plenty of people who have scavenged DC motors and use them as generators, when run "in the opposite direction".   On one end of my "found" one, there is an array of white plastic "blades", presumably to cool it by dissipating heat.  On the other end is the place to apply a belt.  So, the obvious question is what are all the sources of power that could be harnessed with a belt to drive this generator?  Besides bicycle, there could be wind and water.  Are there others??

In looking at some of the videos, the electrical connection appears fairly straight forward--red wire to positive, and black wire to negative.  The unit I have has more wires than that.  It has an obvious green ground wire, an obvious rather large black wire with red marking/covering to indicate positive.  Then it has another rather large black wire, this one being all black.  Problem is, there are also two much smaller wires which are puzzling, and I have no idea of their purpose.

Does anyone use DC power, using a scavenged DC motor?  Can you describe the wire setup?  As soon as possible I'll post pic of this beauty.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on February 12, 2016, 03:44:08 PM
Attached are a couple of pictures of the DC motor I want to "do something with".  It does not have as many wires as I previously stated--only 1 red one, one green one, and two smaller ones whose purpose I do not know.

If anyone knows what the use/purpose of the two smaller wires would be, that would be cool.

Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: MadMax on February 21, 2018, 02:33:51 AM
IKEA To Begin Selling "At-Cost" Home Solar Panel Systems For Under $10,000

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/63890/ikea-to-begin-selling-atcost-home-solar-panel-systems-for-under.html

. Swedish furniture manufacturer IKEA recently announced a plan to sell “at-cost” home solar panel systems that will range from $7,500 – $10,000. The offer is slowly rolling out in different markets and is already available in different parts of Europe and Japan. This week, IKEA Australia boss Jan Gardberg announced that the solar panels will soon be sold in his region as well.

In an interview with 9 News, Gardberg said, “We have already introduced (solar panels) into the UK market and in Poland and something similar in Japan, and I and the team would like to find a way to introduce that to the Australian market.”

“It would actually be cost-neutral because we believe this to be another positive way that we, as a big company, can contribute for the sustainable life at home for the many people in Australia,” he added.

According to Canstar Blue, this is the price list that is currently being used for IKEA solar products in the UK:

– a 3kW solar system for £4,412 ($A7,800);
– a customisable solar system, starting at 3kW for £4,941 ($A8,700);
– and a customized solar system that’s “designed to integrate seamlessly with your roof,” again starting at 3kW, this time costing £6,176 ($A10,900).

Hopefully, their solar panels are of a better quality and easier to put together than their furniture is.

The price of solar panels has continued to decrease with each passing year, making solar as a viable energy source a very real possibility.

Max.
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: R.R. Book on February 21, 2018, 04:29:29 AM
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Hopefully, their solar panels are of a better quality and easier to put together than their furniture is.

 ;)
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on February 21, 2018, 08:23:43 PM
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Hopefully, their solar panels are of a better quality and easier to put together than their furniture is.

 ;)
:D ;D
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: R.R. Book on April 14, 2018, 07:40:43 AM
https://www.amazon.com/BioLite-CampStove-Burning-Charging-Bundle/dp/B01FWRIDP4/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1523716413&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=bio-lite+stove&psc=1

Here's a way to burn twigs and produce enough electricity to power a USB port:

BioLite CampStove 2 Wood Burning and USB Charging Bundle

Version 1 is recommended over version 2 by Oppenheimer Ranch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcSEZED8whU

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5109XCjGsiL._AC_US218_.jpg)
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on April 14, 2018, 12:50:12 PM
https://www.amazon.com/BioLite-CampStove-Burning-Charging-Bundle/dp/B01FWRIDP4/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1523716413&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=bio-lite+stove&psc=1

Here's a way to burn twigs and produce enough electricity to power a USB port:

BioLite CampStove 2 Wood Burning and USB Charging Bundle

Version 1 is recommended over version 2 by Oppenheimer Ranch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcSEZED8whU

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5109XCjGsiL._AC_US218_.jpg)
Quite a fascinating device/appliance.  This is really something to ponder--where else could you burn a bit of wood and, while cooking dinner, end up re-charging your cell phone, by default?
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: R.R. Book on April 14, 2018, 12:51:55 PM
That's a very efficient thought Ilinda!  :)
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: R.R. Book on September 29, 2018, 07:02:17 AM
Here's a compact portable solar power system designed for bugging out.  It can be charged using solar, A/C house current or a car battery, and comes with a 16 amp-hour battery.  Built-in sine wave (for electronics) inverter capable of putting out 150W.

https://www.amazon.com/Renogy-Portable-Generator-Applications-Emergencies/dp/B01K60N1DQ/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1538229220&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=renology+phoenix+portable+generator+all-in-one+solar+kit+for+mobile+off-grid+applications+and+emergencies

Referred by: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1bC_o2P4AA
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: R.R. Book on November 09, 2019, 06:08:19 AM
Here's a simple magnetic power generator that you can make by yourself in half an hour, courtesy of A Plane Truth 4U:

Materials:

Two magnets (he uses donut / torroidal shaped ones)
Two iron nails
Copper wire
Super glue
Soldering iron (while electricity is still available)
Lead solder wire

(15 sec film clips are on instant loop)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMMPd9m_PU4

Then, @ around 3:45, the film goes on to show variations of this technique, using essentially the same materials, in addition to wire cutters and wire strippers.

Ready for a slightly more complex model, based upon the same principles?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1nAASlpb6Q
Title: Re: Alternative power generators
Post by: ilinda on November 09, 2019, 07:50:43 PM
Thanks for posting this extremely interesting looking home project.  If anyone tries it, hope they will post results here.  This is what a lot of people want--ideas they can do using parts they find in their workshops and junk rooms.  Why buy stuff when you might not need to?