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Inaruti - formerly Nativemom72 THE DIVINE FEMININE => THE DIVINE FEMININE => Topic started by: Yowbarb on December 09, 2011, 09:09:42 AM

Title: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 09, 2011, 09:09:42 AM
Update Note 26 September, 2012

This Topic was originally just about breastfeeding but now it is about helping women deliver their babies.
(Bear with me, This is a work in progress.)
Members post here your ideas, information and articles on childbirth. Also post what you know about helping new mothers nurse their babies, both now and in the near future.
-   Barb Townsend
    Topic Administrator
...
http://firstaid.about.com/od/childbirth/ht/deliverbaby.htm

http://www.wikihow.com/Deliver-a-Baby

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_childbirth

http://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/article-diet.aspx 

Lactogenic (milk -producing) foods and herbs.
...
http://www.methodsofhealing.com/healthy-diet-for-newborn-babies/  Healthy Diet for Newborn Babies  #1 choice
is breast milk!

(http://www.methodsofhealing.com/files/2010/08/Healthy-Diet-for-New-Born-Babies.jpg)

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Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: BuddhaKitty on December 09, 2011, 11:20:01 AM
Barb, thanks for starting this thread :)
A tidbit I learned is breast milk is good for producing baby's "brown fat".  Brown fat is stored in babies and hibernating animals since they cannot shiver to keep warm.
There was a young couple from my area who went on a trip to nevada in the winter with their 6-month old son. Their car broke down in the of nowhere, and they decided to set out on foot. They put the baby in a duffle bag and gently dragged it along the snow, as they had no other way of carrying him. All 3 found help after being stuck for a couple of days, the baby especially survived because he had a good supply of brown fat and mama continued breast feeding him.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 09, 2011, 01:54:50 PM
BuddhaKitty what a wonderful story!
Breast milk brings up the survival potential of all babies, in so many ways.
 :)
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Jimfarmer on December 09, 2011, 07:13:25 PM
Regarding the sling with the baby face up:  a few months ago, more or less, a baby died in that posture because his neck was bent so far forward that his trachea was closed.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Jimfarmer on December 10, 2011, 10:58:35 AM
Regarding the sling with the baby face up:  a few months ago, more or less, a baby died in that posture because his neck was bent so far forward that his trachea was closed.

Jim thanks for the input! Which image are you referring to? Spring summer fall or winter?

Spring
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 10, 2011, 01:20:08 PM
Regarding the sling with the baby face up:  a few months ago, more or less, a baby died in that posture because his neck was bent so far forward that his trachea was closed.

Jim thanks for the input! Which image are you referring to? Spring summer fall or winter?

Spring

Thanks Jim. Going to delete that image.

- Barb T.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 10, 2011, 01:39:09 PM
Jim so I did find an article about how slings are not always safe for the youngest babies.
http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/unsafe-baby-slings/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/12/baby-sling-deaths-chic-ba_n_496903.html
...
Here is a safer  baby carrier,
Barb T.
...

http://www.thingamababy.com/baby/2008/06/babycarriers.html

(http://www.thingamababy.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/06/ergo.jpg)

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Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 10, 2011, 11:51:29 PM
Actually I would not put a newborn in the previous carrier idea. I suppose I will keep looking for the ideal carrier. The idea was, during a cataclysm, or during The Aftertime the little ones could be kept safe as the mother quickly hiked, moved out along with a group or whatever the situation was. Keeping the baby close is a good idea. As Jim has posted, care must be taken.  The little ones need to have plenty of room to breathe and they have to be in the best angle to help them breathe as they are being carried. I feel that the closeness of a carrier keeps them safer, and this closeness is more condusive for the mothers to have milk for their babies.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 10, 2011, 11:58:32 PM
Human colostrum and human breast milk would be really good items to have in the survival supplies.
Breast pumps, nursing pads, nursing bras... these would really come in handy too.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: BuddhaKitty on December 11, 2011, 07:21:03 AM
Human colostrum and human breast milk would be really good items to have in the survival supplies.
Breast pumps, nursing pads, nursing bras... these would really come in handy too.

These are great things to keep on hand. Breast milk can be kept frozen in the snow and warmed by body heat (hopefully whoever needs it will have a good source of fire for heat as well.)
For hiking carriers may I recommend the Kelty internal frame child carrier? I just got one for my daughter. They hold children up to 30 pounds.  If I remember correctly they have neck support for newborns.  I can't post a link or photo from my phone though.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 11, 2011, 04:50:14 PM
Human colostrum and human breast milk would be really good items to have in the survival supplies.
Breast pumps, nursing pads, nursing bras... these would really come in handy too.

These are great things to keep on hand. Breast milk can be kept frozen in the snow and warmed by body heat (hopefully whoever needs it will have a good source of fire for heat as well.)
For hiking carriers may I recommend the Kelty internal frame child carrier? I just got one for my daughter. They hold children up to 30 pounds.  If I remember correctly they have neck support for newborns.  I can't post a link or photo from my phone though.

BuddhaKitty thanks very much for the idea on a good child carrier. Will find it and post.
All The Best,
Barb T.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on January 07, 2012, 09:24:09 AM
Regarding the sling with the baby face up:  a few months ago, more or less, a baby died in that posture because his neck was bent so far forward that his trachea was closed.
Again, Jim thank you for bringing this to our attention.
- Barb Townsend
  Topic Administrator
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on January 07, 2012, 09:39:03 AM
A person might wonder why do we need this Topic? Well I can say from experience there was a whole lot I did not know about this subject not until I was carrying my first baby..and I was already nearly 24 years old.

Then when she was born my mom transmitted knowledge to me, little things but it all added up to plenty of milk, and a healthy baby and I just might not have been able to do that without her help.

One tip is boiled water and put it in a jar (which has been thoroughly washed and rinsed with boiling water and the lid too.
Keep cotton balls in a jar. Just for that use.
These are used to wipe off the breast before each nursing when the baby is really young.

Just ideas like that.

Every survival group should have a supply of "nursing bras." An ample supply of nursing pads really help too.
Cleaning the breast off after nursing drying then putting on a clean nursing pad inside the bra - these actions keep a more hygienic situation. When the baby is a bit older it doesn't matter quite as much but it's a good idea to keep it up as much as possible.

Important to hold the baby upright over the shoulder and gently burp the baby. Change the diaper, wrap the baby up warm (unless it is too hot in the space) and hold the baby as much as possible.
If it's too hot have some battery operated fans available.

Gentle rocking motion in the first few months actually helps the baby's brain development after birth.

Not good to leave them in their cribs crying too much.

During times of cataclysm it would be good if people in general knew what to do and helped provide a safe quiet space for a new mother to nurse her baby. It may not always be so easy.
New mother's have the baby's "food supply on tap," as long as everything is OK and the mother is not too tense or some other problem. Best to avoid another pregnancy and let the baby have at least  six months of mother's milk and mother's full attention...

- Barb Townsend 
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: sineck on January 07, 2012, 09:50:02 PM
in my experience breast feeding is undoubtedly the best thing for a new born, however, there are times that there is just not enough to feed the little one, depending on their size, and their mother, not everyone has the same capacity. however just to share that the ancient romans used pearl barley mix with the breast milk, this enabled the child to grow strong even when the mother could not produce the needed amount, just a little info for you women, it may come in handy. also stress and things of the sort can also cause unexpected bodily changes,  ;D PEACE AND LOVE
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on January 09, 2012, 09:29:47 PM
in my experience breast feeding is undoubtedly the best thing for a new born, however, there are times that there is just not enough to feed the little one, depending on their size, and their mother, not everyone has the same capacity. however just to share that the ancient romans used pearl barley mix with the breast milk, this enabled the child to grow strong even when the mother could not produce the needed amount, just a little info for you women, it may come in handy. also stress and things of the sort can also cause unexpected bodily changes,  ;D PEACE AND LOVE

Hi! I know about the barley milk... I used to help make big batches of it back in the 1970s. I agree it is a wonderful thing to know about. Wonderful for kids.
Thank You for the reminder,
PEACE,  ;)
Barb Townsend
Topic Adinistrator
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on January 09, 2012, 09:34:48 PM
mom eating fennel will increase milk supply

That's a good fact. Never knew that.  :)
By coincidence I was drinking fennel back in the day...while breastfeeding my first girl, a toddler by then....
I did know about millet helping since I was already eating that and my Dad stopped in and told me, "back on the farm they used to give millet to the hogs to help them with their milk." 
My Dad spent a good part of his childhood living and working on a beet farm owned by his grandparents on his mom's side. My Great Grandparents, Smiths.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on September 26, 2012, 02:47:04 AM
This seem like an OK place to post this.
Members post here your ideas, information and articles on helping new mothers nurse their babies, both now and in the near future. Also during the coming times which we may someday call, The Aftertime.
-   Barb Townsend
    Topic Administrator
...
http://www.mobimotherhood.org/MM/article-diet.aspx 

Lactogenic (milk -producing) foods and herbs.
...
http://www.methodsofhealing.com/healthy-diet-for-newborn-babies/  Healthy Diet for Newborn Babies  #1 choice
is breast milk!

(http://www.methodsofhealing.com/files/2010/08/Healthy-Diet-for-New-Born-Babies.jpg)

...............
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on September 26, 2012, 03:00:07 PM
Update Note 26 September, 2012

This Topic was originally just about breastfeeding but now it is about helping women deliver their babies.
(Bear with me, This is a work in progress.) I am mainly talking about a situation where there is a cataclysm, no doctors nearby, and so on. Also if there are sever changes in the world, some ideas on how to possibly carry on...
Members please, can you post here your ideas, information and articles on childbirth.
Also post what you know about helping new mothers nurse their babies, both now and in the near future.
-   Barb Townsend
    Topic Administrator

Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on September 26, 2012, 03:20:13 PM
I just found another reference on delivering a baby. Will be reading through it, comments alter.
- Yowbarb
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Birth with midwife.com
http://www.birthwithmidwife.com/delivery.pdf  LABOR AND DELIVERY


LABOR AND DELIVERY
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on July 26, 2013, 06:00:42 AM
http://www.saynotogmos.org/   Say No To GMOs
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on July 26, 2013, 09:23:17 AM
Yowbarb Note: It is not regular breast milk, but colostrum which is available to the newborn. The colostrum provides  nourishment to the baby not obtainable in any other way. Vital nutrients and immunities. It also cleans out the intestines. After a day or two on colstrum the new mother normally has breast milk, then.
...

http://health.howstuffworks.com/pregnancy-and-parenting/pregnancy/postpartum-care/how-breast-feeding-works.htm

http://www.babycenter.com/0_how-breastfeeding-benefits-you-and-your-baby_8910.bc How breastfeeding benefits you and your baby

Reviewed by the BabyCenter Medical Advisory Board
....
 
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: pbutter72 on August 28, 2013, 09:41:31 PM
Hello Everyone!

A great hand pump that I used for my last two children was the Advent Breast Pump. It is more compact that most other brands and I found it expresses more milk in a shorter amount of time than even an expensive electric brand that was given to me by another mom.

Philips Avent Manual Comfort Breast Pump

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Avent-Manual-Comfort-Breast/dp/B009YSYCZS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1377750992&sr=8-3&keywords=avent+breastpump (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Avent-Manual-Comfort-Breast/dp/B009YSYCZS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1377750992&sr=8-3&keywords=avent+breastpump)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8VMuVRZZqlM/THNRPxaDz8I/AAAAAAAAAHA/IAGmfN0BwzE/s320/avent-isis-manual-breast-pump-main-852.jpg)

This company is also offering glass bottles as well for those concerned about the plastic variety

Natural Feeding Glass Baby Bottles by Philips AVENT

http://www.naturalbabyhome.com/glass-baby-bottles1.html?AdID=6840cm00cm01185080cm040cm0oz (http://www.naturalbabyhome.com/glass-baby-bottles1.html?AdID=6840cm00cm01185080cm040cm0oz)

~pB
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: pbutter72 on August 31, 2013, 04:03:58 PM
Hello All!

I just read an article about a 63 year old Grandmother breastfeeding her twin grandchildren after their mother's death...

Article below:

Granny (63) takes over breastfeeding twins

http://www.times.co.zm/?p=29302 (http://www.times.co.zm/?p=29302)

I have heard of these kinds of instances before and wanted to do some research and found some information on how to lactate without pregnancy-- this information can save a baby's life!

How to Induce Lactation - the Well May Not Be Dry!

http://voices.yahoo.com/how-induce-lactation-well-may-not-dry-217473.html (http://voices.yahoo.com/how-induce-lactation-well-may-not-dry-217473.html)

Breastfeeding Your Adopted Baby

https://breastfeedingusa.org/content/article/breastfeeding-your-adopted-baby (https://breastfeedingusa.org/content/article/breastfeeding-your-adopted-baby)

Induced Lactation without Drugs

http://www.womensforum.com/induced-lactation-without-drugs.html (http://www.womensforum.com/induced-lactation-without-drugs.html)

(http://cdn.womensforum.com/images/stories/c_parenting/induced-lactation-without-drugs.jpg)

~pB
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on September 03, 2013, 02:16:38 PM
Hello All!

I just read an article about a 63 year old Grandmother breastfeeding her twin grandchildren after their mother's death...

Article below:

Granny (63) takes over breastfeeding twins

http://www.times.co.zm/?p=29302 (http://www.times.co.zm/?p=29302)

I have heard of these kinds of instances before and wanted to do some research and found some information on how to lactate without pregnancy-- this information can save a baby's life!

How to Induce Lactation - the Well May Not Be Dry!

http://voices.yahoo.com/how-induce-lactation-well-may-not-dry-217473.html (http://voices.yahoo.com/how-induce-lactation-well-may-not-dry-217473.html)

Breastfeeding Your Adopted Baby

https://breastfeedingusa.org/content/article/breastfeeding-your-adopted-baby (https://breastfeedingusa.org/content/article/breastfeeding-your-adopted-baby)

Induced Lactation without Drugs

http://www.womensforum.com/induced-lactation-without-drugs.html (http://www.womensforum.com/induced-lactation-without-drugs.html)

(http://cdn.womensforum.com/images/stories/c_parenting/induced-lactation-without-drugs.jpg)

~pB

pbutter,  :) this is really wonderful information! Some of it new to me!
Thank you so much for contributing here and also for becoming a Moderator.
 :)
All The best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: pbutter72 on September 08, 2013, 08:01:12 PM
Hello Everyone! and thank you Barb  :)

I found this article and it gives some tips for women to get their bodies (guts) ready for a healthy pregnancy and some interesting info on breastfeeding.

Quote
The most profound starting point for this shared journey, for a woman contemplating pregnancy, pregnant, or nursing, is the gut.

Guts, Bugs and Babies

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/guts-bugs-and-babies (http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/guts-bugs-and-babies)

(http://www.linnealenkus.com/image/pregnancyLLS03.jpg)

~pB
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on September 09, 2013, 10:47:13 AM
pbutter I love your posts.  :)
You have really revitalized the whole subject of women in these times...
- Yowbarb
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: pbutter72 on September 09, 2013, 07:42:10 PM
pbutter I love your posts.  :)
You have really revitalized the whole subject of women in these times...
- Yowbarb

Again many Thanks Barb!

I know that sometimes I (as a woman) forget that there are some unique needs that have to be met regardless of what happens around us, when in preparation for hard times. Like our cycles need to be dealt with, the babies need to be fed (within and out of the womb), and the children taught and cared for so that they may be strong and helpful to the community...

It is up to us adults, male and female, to help and guide our children -- like the old saying goes, It takes a village

Our ancestors did this for theirs so that we may be here today, so that we should do so for ours to benefit future generations to come
 :)

Blessings

~pB
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: pbutter72 on September 09, 2013, 09:18:07 PM
 :D Thank you Endtimesgal -- I am glad that my posts might be useful for folks!

Blessings

~pB
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on October 24, 2013, 09:01:51 PM
pbutter I love your posts.  :)
You have really revitalized the whole subject of women in these times...
- Yowbarb

Again many Thanks Barb!

I know that sometimes I (as a woman) forget that there are some unique needs that have to be met regardless of what happens around us, when in preparation for hard times. Like our cycles need to be dealt with, the babies need to be fed (within and out of the womb), and the children taught and cared for so that they may be strong and helpful to the community...

It is up to us adults, male and female, to help and guide our children -- like the old saying goes, It takes a village

Our ancestors did this for theirs so that we may be here today, so that we should do so for ours to benefit future generations to come
 :)

Blessings

~pB

pbutter, I really like the way you expressed that. Beautiful. :)
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on February 14, 2016, 08:29:42 PM
Come back Pbutter we need U. :)
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: pbutter72 on December 15, 2016, 05:13:20 PM
 ;) Thank you Barb! I am glad to be back- sorry for the long hiatus!
Come back Pbutter we need U. :)
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: pbutter72 on December 15, 2016, 05:53:49 PM
Hello All!

The following are some links to information about Midwifery schools and organizations from around the U.S. and beyond. I feel that this information may prove useful in the near future as more families find that they no longer have the resources to afford a hospital to give birth due to the rising costs of healthcare.


Birth International

Quote
"The primary focus of all activities has been to protect and promote midwifery in as many ways as possible. Birth International is dedicated to exploring all avenues in a quest to restore midwifery to its rightful place as guardian of the normal and the facilitators of the best births possible. Although based in Australia, our services and activities have an international perspective and are open to anyone in any country."

https://birthinternational.com/article/midwifery/midwife-power/ (https://birthinternational.com/article/midwifery/midwife-power/)


Birthwise Midwifery School

Quote
"At Birthwise, we believe that skilled midwives should be at the center of a safe and effective maternity system. At a time when the collective memory of giving birth with empowerment has, in some parts of the world, yielded to a dependence on medical technology, midwives can safeguard the power, dignity, beauty, and safety of natural birth."

http://birthwisemidwifery.edu/ (http://birthwisemidwifery.edu/)


Family Birth Services

Quote
"At Family Birth Services we believe that pregnancy, labor and birth are the normal functions of a healthy woman.  Our philosophy allows women to birth with dignity and without unnecessary interventions. We believe in providing informed choice for our clients as well as caring for them with holistic, evidence-based practices."

http://www.familybirthservices.com/ (http://www.familybirthservices.com/)


(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jVy8g-g7GBI/WAeOn6V2zSI/AAAAAAABFys/edKbV839YEUcyxgPdg6JyWBq-sNX6axFgCLcB/s1600/14650128_1870896083141599_3790041491597627907_n.jpg)
This precious infant whose name is Mini Wiconi (meaning Water is Life) was born in one of the camps at Standing Rock, North Dakota, this past Fall with the help of Indigenous Midwives.
Quote
"Babyna blessed the grounds and her relatives....born before dawn in her Ina's arms and warm teepee along the banks of the Cannon Ball River where our Lakota Dakota people have gathered power since the beginning of our time. Mni Wiconi perfect health and balance. Wopida for the prayers, support family."- wrote on Facebook wall "Indigenous Midwifery"


Anyone is free to add to the list of resources on Midwifery :)

~pB
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Socrates on December 15, 2016, 10:44:44 PM
As with all other topics [sic] i have been collecting information on things related to childbirth and nursing (http://b2012overleven.runboard.com/t416) (since i started my database in 2009). The link will lead to other links, articles, documentaries, etc.

There is much to know but, like in nutrition, people nowadays tend to run to 'healthcare professionals' even though their training in these areas is limited to non-existant and their track record poor to disastrous.

People for millennia would grow up in extended families and be confronted with the care of infants (and for that matter, with the care of pregnant women) from childhood. Nowadays, though, far too many new mothers have little to no experience in these areas and have loads and loads of catch up to do. This makes the sharing of knowledge and experience all the more important.

One thing i am very excited about is my tub of One World Whey; it is easily mixed with water and tastes great, made from quality grass/milk and never heated so as to destroy enzymes, beneficial bacteria and amino acids. I can imagine having a supply of this to feed infants, children as well as adults with, to support growth, healing, as well as a wonderful source of best quality proteins. I believe my greater energy levels of late are at least in part due to this wonderful food.
I am currently also excited about trying out Bone Broth Protein; unfortunately i have not yet been able to find a UK supplier and will need to save up to buy in bulk from the U.S.A. (since shipping plus import fees otherwise make it prohibitively expensive).
Getting enough good quality proteins, especially in a survival situation, is of the utmost importance, especially since it's the last situation you're interested in losing muscle mass. And my father grew up during WW II and i know that many of his generation were smaller than average size due to lack of nutrition as they were growing up.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 16, 2016, 01:45:50 AM
Global Moderator NativeMom72 it is so good to see you back on here! What great posts! :)
For anyone who does not know, NativeMom72's former Username was pbutter72.
:) - Barb
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 16, 2016, 01:46:59 AM
;) Thank you Barb! I am glad to be back- sorry for the long hiatus!
Come back Pbutter we need U. :)

So, very glad you are back! :)
Barb Townsend
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 16, 2016, 02:12:16 AM
As with all other topics [sic] i have been collecting information on things related to childbirth and nursing (http://b2012overleven.runboard.com/t416) (since i started my database in 2009). The link will lead to other links, articles, documentaries, etc.

There is much to know but, like in nutrition, people nowadays tend to run to 'healthcare professionals' even though their training in these areas is limited to non-existant and their track record poor to disastrous.

People for millennia would grow up in extended families and be confronted with the care of infants (and for that matter, with the care of pregnant women) from childhood. Nowadays, though, far too many new mothers have little to no experience in these areas and have loads and loads of catch up to do. This makes the sharing of knowledge and experience all the more important.

One thing i am very excited about is my tub of One World Whey; it is easily mixed with water and tastes great, made from quality grass/milk and never heated so as to destroy enzymes, beneficial bacteria and amino acids. I can imagine having a supply of this to feed infants, children as well as adults with, to support growth, healing, as well as a wonderful source of best quality proteins. I believe my greater energy levels of late are at least in part due to this wonderful food.
I am currently also excited about trying out Bone Broth Protein; unfortunately i have not yet been able to find a UK supplier and will need to save up to buy in bulk from the U.S.A. (since shipping plus import fees otherwise make it prohibitively expensive).
Getting enough good quality proteins, especially in a survival situation, is of the utmost importance, especially since it's the last situation you're interested in losing muscle mass. And my father grew up during WW II and i know that many of his generation were smaller than average size due to lack of nutrition as they were growing up.

Socrates, great! That is great to have that topic there...
Will all be learning some new things.
Title: Newborns not breathing
Post by: Socrates on December 16, 2016, 01:14:50 PM
I'm guessing one of the most traumatizing experiences in life must be to see that one's newborn isn't breathing. After all, how many new parents aren't constantly checking to see if this is the case...?

Atom Bergstrom is well known to listeners of One Radio Network [Patrick Timpone], a man who does medical historical research and adds this to his already impressive array of knowledge passed on to him by his teacher Adano Ley [Swami Nitty Gritty], an impressive character himself, unfortunately no longer among us in physical form...

One of the amazing tidbits i remember Atom Bergstrom talking about is that if you have somebody who's not breathing, you rhythmically pull their tongue; this creates a breathing reflex. So if you ever have a baby that hasn't started breathing yet or has stopped breathing for some reason or another, grab hold of it's tongue and get a'pullin'. Let's hope you never get to practice that little tidbit, but just in case...


Oh, and as a side note, if you've never given water births (http://www.parents.com/pregnancy/giving-birth/vaginal/water-birthing/) a thought, Google it and be amazed.
Also, newborns allowed to swim apparently do much better than those left lying on their back or belly for a year (until they finally get to crouching and walking).
Title: Re: Newborns not breathing
Post by: Yowbarb on December 17, 2016, 10:15:55 AM
I'm guessing one of the most traumatizing experiences in life must be to see that one's newborn isn't breathing. After all, how many new parents aren't constantly checking to see if this is the case...?

Atom Bergstrom is well known to listeners of One Radio Network [Patrick Timpone], a man who does medical historical research and adds this to his already impressive array of knowledge passed on to him by his teacher Adano Ley [Swami Nitty Gritty], an impressive character himself, unfortunately no longer among us in physical form...

One of the amazing tidbits i remember Atom Bergstrom talking about is that if you have somebody who's not breathing, you rhythmically pull their tongue; this creates a breathing reflex. So if you ever have a baby that hasn't started breathing yet or has stopped breathing for some reason or another, grab hold of it's tongue and get a'pullin'. Let's hope you never get to practice that little tidbit, but just in case...


Oh, and as a side note, if you've never given water births (http://www.parents.com/pregnancy/giving-birth/vaginal/water-birthing/) a thought, Google it and be amazed.
Also, newborns allowed to swim apparently do much better than those left lying on their back or belly for a year (until they finally get to crouching and walking).

Awesome tips, thank you for posting!!
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 17, 2016, 01:14:39 PM
Birth Without Violence - Frédérick Leboyer  12:11   7,146 views

https://youtu.be/bNvcM76rgTo

Published on May 31, 2012
Frederick Leboyer (born November 1, 1918) is a French obstetrician, best known for his 1975 book, Birth Without Violence, which popularized gentle birthing techniques, in particular, the practice of immersing newly-born infants in a small tub of warm water — known as a "Leboyer bath" — to help ease the transition from the womb to the outside world. He graduated from the University of Paris School of Medicine.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 17, 2016, 01:17:27 PM
NativeMom72, I'm sure over the years and lately you have picked up on good info. Would like to hear the latest, anything you know and can share about the Leboyer method. :)
- Yowbarb
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 17, 2016, 01:23:27 PM
I gave birth to five alive and healthy babies. No caesareans.
One one was born at home and her birth was definitely the easiest! Only a midwife there. She was hooked up via CB to an Obstetrician in Pasadena about 25 minutes away. There was a hospital nearby if we should have any problem but there was none.
The only pain I had was just as she was born a few seconds... !
I was allowed to gently stroll around my room, holding on to the bed and squatting down. I only got up on the bed (with clean sheets on top) for the last 15 minutes of the birth.
When I say "hooked up via CB," you know how long ago that was. :)
Nowadays it would be a laptop and skype.
That was 1977, my Joellen. 
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 17, 2016, 01:28:58 PM
I  (DO) recommend women be under the care of a doctor, female if possible, who also uses a midwife and who is  aware of and uses holistic methods and supplements etc.
Home birth works fine  there is always that one who needs to go to a hospital. Midwives seem pretty adept at turning babies, etc.
I didn't have a good experience with the male doctors except one, who delivered my  son but one of his nurses wasn't so great. But the doc was good, a good attitude. :)
The worst experience was when i had "back labor" and they insisted on my laying down on the bed on my back. I had wanted to delver her naturally but that back pain it felt like something was breaking in my back. I did need some demerol. In my NEXT birth, which was at home I WASN'T on my back, I was walking around, squatting for most of the labor there was no back pain whatsoever.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: ilinda on December 17, 2016, 02:22:41 PM
;) Thank you Barb! I am glad to be back- sorry for the long hiatus!
Come back Pbutter we need U. :)

So, very glad you are back! :)
Barb Townsend
Yes!  Welcome back, even though I think you and I may have passed each other, one leaving for a while, and one coming in.  Good to see your new name also, as it's probably more appropriate.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 17, 2016, 05:44:46 PM
NativeMom72 is a beautiful name. :)
Title: Re: childbirth
Post by: Socrates on December 18, 2016, 01:22:10 AM
Excuse my left-brained self for joining the discussion.... ;-)

When i think of childbirth, i think of stories of some women in African rural societies where they work outside until the day they give birth and when the baby comes it lasts about half an hour...

Culture has everything to do with how we view such things (including medicine in general) and culture is commonly generally determined by politics and the forces that influence it...
Common sense is the best take on this matter (and most other matters, for that matter...).
I've read of midwives who have delivered thousands of babies with almost no emergencies whatsoever, though doctors generally have a considerable percentage of cases in which they need to have mother and infant rushed to hospital. Statistics help but are generally not shared in these areas due to politics...


In the end, it should be realized that childbirth has been going on successfully for (at least) millennia without any doctors, hospitals or caesarians. In Holland, it is [mercifully] still considered acceptable and 'normal' to have one's baby in the home. (We also don't do any circumcisions; are you aware of the roots of such practice?) I [grew up in San Diego] know that politics in the U.S.A. have long deteremined otherwise and this has changed American culture and how people in the U.S.A. view such things, generally speaking.

As a prepper/survivalist one should understand that this typically American take on things causes unnecessary worry. Common sense, statistics and research should ease any such worry. Hell, just about the only thing that can generally go wrong is that you start tugging on the afterbirth from some misguided notion that you should help nature along or something; this is the main cause for women dying in childbirth, i.e. bleeding to death. Now realize this: generally, people don't wanna put the blame on doctors and whoever got the not-so-bright idea of 'helping things along' and thereby killing the mother is not mentioned... Just remember this; if you are ever in a situation outside of a hospital or without (so-called) professionals and have to deal with childbirth...
DON'T TUG ON THE AFTERBIRTH!!!
I'd like to add: you also don't have to cut the umbilical cord; you should know that the blood still running through the umbilical cord after birth may supply the newborn with things like iron that put it 6 months ahead (in that regard) of babies whose umbilical cords were severed soon after birth.

Childbirth; it should be a non-issue.
Title: Re: childbirth
Post by: Yowbarb on December 18, 2016, 02:19:52 PM
Hell, just about the only thing that can generally go wrong is that you start tugging on the afterbirth from some misguided notion that you should help nature along or something; this is the main cause for women dying in childbirth, i.e. bleeding to death. Now realize this: generally, people don't wanna put the blame on doctors and whoever got the not-so-bright idea of 'helping things along' and thereby killing the mother is not mentioned... Just remember this; if you are ever in a situation outside of a hospital or without (so-called) professionals and have to deal with childbirth...
DON'T TUG ON THE AFTERBIRTH!!!
I'd like to add: you also don't have to cut the umbilical cord; you should know that the blood still running through the umbilical cord after birth may supply the newborn with things like iron that put it 6 months ahead (in that regard) of babies whose umbilical cords were severed soon after birth.

Socrates, interesting data... The action of "tugging on the afterbirth" is not one I have experienced, to my knowledge. I do remember the nurses saying a few more natural contractions would push out the afterbirth, in my own case it came out easily. Perhaps not everyone is the same...That is a good point for a survival group birth, for people to be trained enough to know how to get the afterbirth out (without) tugging.
Interesting concept about not severing the umbilical right away...Give us more data, films pdfs, if you have them.
I do know for a fact even young women do stroke out during labor and some hemorrhage before the birth is even done, so pulling on the afterbirth is not the only reason for the mother's death. I will have to admit, even though I had five babies, I am not an expert on birthing and will have to read up more on this...
Personally, finances permitting, I would have a complete little med center available including a crash kit, paddles etc. Also a way to give intravenous hydration... things can go wrong, not to be negative that is just a fact.
Thank you for your imput,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: childbirth
Post by: ilinda on December 18, 2016, 04:05:55 PM
Hell, just about the only thing that can generally go wrong is that you start tugging on the afterbirth from some misguided notion that you should help nature along or something; this is the main cause for women dying in childbirth, i.e. bleeding to death. Now realize this: generally, people don't wanna put the blame on doctors and whoever got the not-so-bright idea of 'helping things along' and thereby killing the mother is not mentioned... Just remember this; if you are ever in a situation outside of a hospital or without (so-called) professionals and have to deal with childbirth...
DON'T TUG ON THE AFTERBIRTH!!!
I'd like to add: you also don't have to cut the umbilical cord; you should know that the blood still running through the umbilical cord after birth may supply the newborn with things like iron that put it 6 months ahead (in that regard) of babies whose umbilical cords were severed soon after birth.

Socrates, interesting data... The action of "tugging on the afterbirth" is not one I have experienced, to my knowledge. I do remember the nurses saying a few more natural contractions would push out the afterbirth, in my own case it came out easily. Perhaps not everyone is the same...That is a good point for a survival group birth, for people to be trained enough to know how to get the afterbirth out (without) tugging.
Interesting concept about not severing the umbilical right away...Give us more data, films pdfs, if you have them.
I do know for a fact even young women do stroke out during labor and some hemorrhage before the birth is even done, so pulling on the afterbirth is not the only reason for the mother's death. I will have to admit, even though I had five babies, I am not an expert on birthing and will have to read up more on this...
Personally, finances permitting, I would have a complete little med center available including a crash kit, paddles etc. Also a way to give intravenous hydration... things can go wrong, not to be negative that is just a fact.
Thank you for your imput,
Yowbarb
Good points from both Socrates and Yowbarb.

I'll add a 2 cents here, even though I'm not a mother.

The first thing to avoid is panic, when encountering an unexpected delivery, or a delivery when the observer/helper is unprepared.  And yes, one should never "tug" on the afterbirth.  In fact, in observing our doe goats during birthing and days and weeks afterwards, I always notice afterbirth here and there that is protruding/extending out of the birth canal (while the doe is out browsing) and I cringe to see it, knowing it COULD be a source of infection, but I have never, ever even touched any part of it for fear of introducing yet another set of microorganisms.

And yes it's true that there is no need to immediately cut the placenta.  Not sure how many hours can elapse, but there is no need to panic, but when one does decide to cut the cord, use sterile lancet, scissors, or other implement.  There is more to do, but sterility or as close to it is a good idea.  One way to "help" the afterbirth emerge on its own is to carefully massage the abdomen--not immediately, but after the normal time span for expulsion of afterbirth has passed.  By massaging the abdomen, you would be trying to do from the external world what the uterine muscles are supposed to be doing from the inside world.  I'm sure there's a lot written about it, so now I'll need to put that bit of research on my "to to" list.  Be prepared.

Remember that major earthquake in Mexico City (? 1980 ?) in which many were killed?   There was a newborn infant in some hospital nursery, having been delivered moments before the quake, and several days later that infant was found and rescued alive!  I'm sure there's mention of it in news archives, but I recall being so amazed that the infant was the only one, IIRC,  who survived in that maternity ward. 

I cannot recall reading anything about its umbilical cord, but it shows the incredible resiliance of a newborn--it reminds me of what happens when ordering baby chicks.   The newly hatched chicks are shipped as soon as possible after hatching and the customer is usually told that the baby chicks have enough nutrients in their yolk sac to last them 72 hours without food or water.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 18, 2016, 06:03:03 PM
ilinda, now that you mention it, I have heard of massaging the uterus after the birth...
Wouldn't it be good to find out if that infant who survived had his umbilical cord still attached?
Probably never find out.
I'm going to do some reading and post up some free pdfs for people.
I think I might have posted a child delivery pdf in some medical Topic somewhere (I never delete those.)
I agree, anything touching mother or child needs to be clean...as sterile and clean as possible. Any makeshift medical area needs to have a pot to boil water and freshly boiled, dried cloths bagged up in plastic, clean blankets.
One thing Mother taught me when she came to stay with me as I was bringing home my first baby. Mother boiled water and put it in a clean boiled dry jar. Next to that, on the bedstand, she put clean cotton balls in a plastic container. Every time I nursed my baby I cleaned off with the boiled water.
Thanks, lots to think about.
Title: Re: pushing
Post by: Socrates on December 19, 2016, 07:00:24 PM
Incompetence, protocols and professional considerations cause a great amount of unnecessary grief thoughout 'medicine'/'healthcare', also during childbirth.
I have myself personally seen how doctors told my wife to "Push, push now" because they were interested in getting the job finished. This was their incentive; they didn't feel they had the time to deal with the birth so they rushed it to suit their own agenda and schedule. Then the vagina rips... Completely unnecessary!

So if anyone says "things do go wrong", i wonder how much of that is actually caused by the very people busy dealing with childbirth in case things go wrong.
Me, i feel pregnant parents should get a course on how to deal with 'medical professionals' during childbirth. Quite frankly, they put a whole lot of stress on parents during childbirth that the parents are poorly able to deal with at that moment because the moment is stressful enough in and of itself. In the end i believe it is misguided to put faith in these people. Much better to do your own research and follow what nature is telling you to do. If you push when nature is making it impossible for you not to push, you're probably safe; but i've heard of and personally seen how people (as opposed to nature) telling you to push have caused great harm. My wife suffered the pain of her torn vagina for 3 months post birth and this effected her in her ability to care for our newborn. Hell, my sister actually broke her son's collar bone in the womb because she was pushing when she shouldn't have. And the stories go on and on...


On another note, people nowadays generally also don't take responsibility for their health and their bodies are in a worse state than nature intended. Then childbirth, too, may go differently than it should.
Instead of doctors and hospitals, people should be looking to things they can and should do rather than focusing on things that other people are saying could go wrong, especially since a lot of such concerns and predictions have to do with society's ill-conceived take on the matter and have no real bearing on a natural, sane, competent take on things.
Much of life today is about individuals dealing with society and it's demands, expectations and limitations as opposed to people dealing with natural things like childbirth. At least TEOTWAWKI will mean an end to the former. That is, if you don't yourself make the grave mistake of bringing societal values and misconceptions along with you to the backside...
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on December 20, 2016, 11:57:43 AM
Socrates, normally in a hospital birth they do a episiotomy it is virtually painless, easy to stitch up and with easy proper care no problems. I had one four times.
It also is done in some home births. That prevents tearing. There is no reason for a woman to tear and not get medical care for it, it's easily repaired...
Now if there are natural methods to avoid tearing (since episiotomies will not usually be available in a home birth in a survival setting) I would like to hear more.
You mentioned pushing at certain times...
There is probably a lot we cuold all learn about more natural methods so post whatever you know here, and thanks!
Yowbarb
Title: Re: tearing/cutting of the vagina
Post by: Socrates on December 20, 2016, 01:35:19 PM
Actually, they cut her. All the same she suffered greatly for a long time (in the already stressful post-birth months during which one suffers from lack of sleep etc.).
I guess i am arguing here against such practices, suggesting they are self-fulfilling prophecies.

We live in cultures that worship the medical profession and their voodoo bag of tricks. Unfortunately [or fortunately..], the medical madness prevalent in society today cannot be carried over into survival situations, certainly not long-term, and preppers will need to look to other options.
I have read about competent midwives who've basically almost never had a still born occur after decades of service, whereas mainstream doctors reckon with a certain percentage of their births ending in death as a matter of course.

There are books to read and their content cannot be boiled down into forum posts [i did not put together a hardcopy library of literature for nothing; in the end a book is a book and they need to be read/you need to educate yourself or you will be forced to a life of ignorance and needless suffering]. Suffice to say that popular/mainstream/modern views on childbirth, childcare and healthcare in general often bear reconsidering, research, if not outright dismissal.
Title: Re: pushing
Post by: ilinda on December 20, 2016, 04:08:11 PM
Incompetence, protocols and professional considerations cause a great amount of unnecessary grief thoughout 'medicine'/'healthcare', also during childbirth.
I have myself personally seen how doctors told my wife to "Push, push now" because they were interested in getting the job finished. This was their incentive; they didn't feel they had the time to deal with the birth so they rushed it to suit their own agenda and schedule. Then the vagina rips... Completely unnecessary!

So if anyone says "things do go wrong", i wonder how much of that is actually caused by the very people busy dealing with childbirth in case things go wrong.
Me, i feel pregnant parents should get a course on how to deal with 'medical professionals' during childbirth. Quite frankly, they put a whole lot of stress on parents during childbirth that the parents are poorly able to deal with at that moment because the moment is stressful enough in and of itself. In the end i believe it is misguided to put faith in these people. Much better to do your own research and follow what nature is telling you to do. If you push when nature is making it impossible for you not to push, you're probably safe; but i've heard of and personally seen how people (as opposed to nature) telling you to push have caused great harm. My wife suffered the pain of her torn vagina for 3 months post birth and this effected her in her ability to care for our newborn. Hell, my sister actually broke her son's collar bone in the womb because she was pushing when she shouldn't have. And the stories go on and on...


On another note, people nowadays generally also don't take responsibility for their health and their bodies are in a worse state than nature intended. Then childbirth, too, may go differently than it should.
Instead of doctors and hospitals, people should be looking to things they can and should do rather than focusing on things that other people are saying could go wrong, especially since a lot of such concerns and predictions have to do with society's ill-conceived take on the matter and have no real bearing on a natural, sane, competent take on things.
Much of life today is about individuals dealing with society and it's demands, expectations and limitations as opposed to people dealing with natural things like childbirth. At least TEOTWAWKI will mean an end to the former. That is, if you don't yourself make the grave mistake of bringing societal values and misconceptions along with you to the backside...
Hubby's older brother, his mother's first child, died during delivery because of exactly what you described above.  The doctor was not in the room, and the nurse told hubby's mother to "push, push!" and so she did.  Well, it was the WRONG time to push and the baby's neck was broken and baby died shortly thereafter.  That being the parents' first child, of course they were devastated.  So, even if someone decides to look to conventional medicine, they'd surely be wise to study and know ahead of time what is supposed to occur, so they might see a problem and avoid it due to their foreknowledge of how things should go.

And on another point you made about people not taking responsibility for their health....I know an ob-gyn doctor who only works part time because of the stress on her nowadays.  She said she purposely does not want full time work because she will often go in to work, and know there is a good likelihood that she will have to deliver a baby when the mother weighs 350 pounds and expects things to go smoothly.  My friend said she's a nervous wreck due to so many grossly/morbidly obese pregnant women these days.
Title: Re: Horror stories
Post by: Socrates on December 20, 2016, 05:22:21 PM
I have fathered 3 children and not a single birth went as it should have and in all 3 cases doctors took unnecessary action.

Did you know police don't count the number of people they manslaughter? They can't tell you how many people died by police hands in any region or year. Well, something similar is always going on with medical incompetence and every single person is individually responsible for reading between the lines and not putting faith in people or a system that is beyond incompetent. In 1900 3% of folks died of heart disease or cancer but today it's up to 80%! Atom Bergstrom had to physically go into libraries and read into the medical past for years to dig up that little tidbit; you won't hear about it from them... But it's actually illegal to call yourself a doctor if you're not a credentialed part of the system.

Do your homework. Don't be a fool. Be (self-)educated. Thank God for the internet.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on February 02, 2018, 05:53:25 PM
"CoQ10 is found in maternal plasma and milk throughout early lactation":
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16873931

 :)
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: ilinda on February 05, 2018, 07:44:03 PM

https://www.popsugar.com/moms/What-Lotus-Birth-44529545
Why This Mom Decided to Leave Her Baby Attached to the Placenta For 9 Days

February 3, 2018 by Murphy Moroney First Published: January 26, 2018

After researching the benefits of cord blood, Vanessa Fisher, a mom from Fort Worth, TX, decided that she was going to take it one step further and have a full-on lotus birth with her newborn son, Ashton. So what exactly is a lotus birth? It's when you don't cut the umbilical cord from the newborn right away and let it fall off naturally instead. The entire process takes between three and 10 days. In a Facebook post, Vanessa explained why she decided to have a lotus birth.
" trust the natural process that God created for child bearing," she wrote. "[It] allows for the health benefits associated with complete placental blood transfer." She also explained that having a lotus birth can help with the bonding process, saying that keeping the placenta attached makes for a more "fluid transition" from the womb to the real world.

This Video of a Doctor Turning a Breech Baby Inside the Womb Is Wild

Vanessa told POPSUGAR that as soon as she learned of all the benefits in keeping the placenta attached, she added it to her birth plan:



"I found that there were mothers who left the cord attached for several minutes or hours after birth to allow for the placenta to stop pulsating," she said. "This would ensure that there was time for a full placental blood transfer to the baby. The idea really resonated with me because I was already set on embracing a very natural approach to this pregnancy, and cutting out any unnecessary medical interference was important to me. It was very early in the pregnancy that we decided that this would be added to our birth plan."
After delivering Ashton at home, Vanessa quickly grabbed a homemade placenta bag her cousin made her and placed the placenta in it with sea salt and herbs to preserve it. But before she could put it in the bag, it needed to be prepped first: "The placenta, of course, isn't beautiful in appearance, but it is rich in purpose. It was providing life to my sweet baby for all those months! How powerful. My midwife washed and inspected it, then we dried it." After nine days, the umbilical cord detached, and Vanessa hopes to bury it.
Would you consider having a lotus birth? Or would you prefer to have the umbilical cord snipped right away?
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on February 05, 2018, 08:18:42 PM
Quote
https://www.popsugar.com/moms/What-Lotus-Birth-44529545
Why This Mom Decided to Leave Her Baby Attached to the Placenta For 9 Days

February 3, 2018 by Murphy Moroney First Published: January 26, 2018

Wow, ilinda this is really great stuff,
thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: ilinda on February 06, 2018, 07:27:51 PM
Quote
https://www.popsugar.com/moms/What-Lotus-Birth-44529545
Why This Mom Decided to Leave Her Baby Attached to the Placenta For 9 Days

February 3, 2018 by Murphy Moroney First Published: January 26, 2018

Wow, ilinda this is really great stuff,
thanks for posting.
After reading this, I think I understand how that newborn infant in the 1980 Mexico City quake survived, while everyone around, including the mother, had died.  They say the baby had just been born when the quake struck and it was found alive about 10 days later!  I wonder if when the mother died, the uterus relaxed allowing placenta and afterbirth to either be expelled or just naturally "dehydrate" while feeding the baby those 10 days?  Amazing information, and it would be good information to have in a situation where there are no doctors, no midwives, and only the barebones facilities.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: Yowbarb on February 08, 2018, 11:25:52 AM
ilinda, that's sad about the mother perishing but wow, what a wonderful story of survival!
I am so glad to hear verification of this info about the placenta helping newborns to survive.
Thanks so much for posting this. !
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: ilinda on February 08, 2018, 06:45:57 PM
The concept was totally new to me!  Amazing, actually!
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: ilinda on December 27, 2018, 06:30:22 PM
Another piece of really unusual (to me) medical/health information I came across by accident while browsing through the book by Deborah Bleecker, LAC, MSOM, called Acupuncture Points Handbook.

Acupuncture point Bladder 67, or BL67,  is located on the lateral side of the small toe, about 0.1 cun (pronounced "soon") from the corner of the nail.  A cun ("soon") is considered to be the width of your thumbknuckle, so 0.1 cun would be 1/10 the width of your thumbnail.

"Functions and Common Usage" of BL67 according to this book are:  Turns the fetus and speeds labor.  This point is very famous to turn a breech baby. It is generally treated with moxibustion.  Moxibustion is done by burning mugwort, or Atremisia vulgaris, over the skin.  Bladder 67 is listed as treating headaches and sinum congestion, but it is very popular to turn breech babies."

Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: R.R. Book on December 27, 2018, 06:36:26 PM
So there's quite a lot that can be done without medication or allopathic practitioners.  Thanks so much for those examples of the power of accupuncture!


Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: ilinda on December 28, 2018, 08:23:19 AM
So there's quite a lot that can be done without medication or allopathic practitioners.  Thanks so much for those examples of the power of accupuncture!
And it's good to remember that just about every acupuncture point can also be used for acupressure.  I have used acupressure off and on for years, never having wanted to get into acupuncture.  For those who have not used acupressure, it is essentially locating carefully where the point is, then applying steady, downward pressure, but not enough to cause pain, and holding steadily for two to three minutes.

I have been doing acupressure on LV3 for about five years.  LV3, or Bigger Rushing, is also known as Liver3.  Deborah Bleecker's book states that "most people need to have Liver3 treated.  It relieves strtess, and it is very relaxing.  It treats all diseases that originate in the liver as viewed by Chinese medicine..."  I began doing acupressure on LV3 right after having my mercury fillings removed, so as to help the liver detox from those decades of mercury toxicity, and to this day I continue the procedure, right before bedtime.
Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: R.R. Book on December 28, 2018, 05:40:27 PM
Sounds like a good routine to get into. 

So I went in search of an accupressure chart on-line, and came up with conflicting info: one says that accupressure is entirely different from reflexology, while the other says they are the same thing.

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Title: Re: Helping women to give birth and breastfeed their newborn little ones
Post by: ilinda on December 29, 2018, 06:35:59 AM
Authors do sometimes disagree on what is what, but it could possibly be also due to the blending of Eastern Medicine or TCM, Traditional Oriental Medicine, with Western Medicine.  There is some overlap in both, but there are some areas of both forms of medicine which are different from each other.

At any rate the thing I love about acupressure is that anyone can do it, and no needles are required.  And I loved the idea that by pressing on the small toe, near the toenail, one could, if all works as the book described, turn a breech-presentation baby around in time for delivery.
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Post by: R.R. Book on December 29, 2018, 07:43:24 AM
Absolutely.