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Title: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Cubanjoe on May 12, 2010, 07:38:20 AM
"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it." 
Amateur Video Of Gulf Oil Slick - Worse Than BP Admits (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=did-S6XbpMM&feature=player_embedded#)
http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html (http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html)
Thanks,Joe
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: 1969quartz0 on May 12, 2010, 11:26:00 AM
Cubanjoe that is one hell of a mess, it is hard to imagine how long this will mess up the sea.
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on May 13, 2010, 05:38:03 AM
"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it." 
Amateur Video Of Gulf Oil Slick - Worse Than BP Admits (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=did-S6XbpMM&feature=player_embedded#)
http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html (http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html)
Thanks,Joe

Cubanjoe thanks for posting this although it disheartened me so much I didn't finish
watching it... Will watch it though, it is good info not being shown elsewhere, as far as I can see.
- Yowbarb
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Linda on May 13, 2010, 06:05:37 AM
I just wonder how long and how much of the oil will keep coming up, they still don't have a fix yet.

Linda
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on May 13, 2010, 10:38:54 AM
It's unbelievable this is happening. I wish they would stop with the offshore stuff... I know people need oil but this is so horrible.
What about if PX does a worst scenario crossing all the oil rigs and nukes and everything
what will be left... At least there are some attempts now to get rid of nukes and stop offshore drilling.
BP is no longer able to drill in the gulf. Pres on down put a stop to that.
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Linda on May 13, 2010, 04:53:01 PM
It's difficult to comprehend the things that will happen with PX, but we are seeing how catastrophic the events of late have been and that's just the tip of the iceberg as they say.

Linda
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on May 13, 2010, 08:14:29 PM
I just wonder how long and how much of the oil will keep coming up, they still don't have a fix yet.

Linda

Linda,

All the world is worried about this oil leak. Other companies from abroad are preparing themselves to help in a huge and common effort. It is sad and it is all this difficult because this particular well is self-sufficient with enough natural pressure to keep the oil coming and coming.... a most fortunate finding when all is well. Most wells need to be pressurized to make the oil come up. This is one comes up "for free".

Everyday I look for good news on this disaster....

BR,

Carlos

Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on May 14, 2010, 09:43:30 AM
Carlos it would be a nice change to hear some good news.
I like that you keep a good thought.
Pensamentos bons
- Yowbarb
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Cubanjoe on May 14, 2010, 05:00:04 PM
Gulf Oil Spill Far Greater Than Thought, Some Experts Say
NPR's Richard Harris has learned that much more oil and natural gas, 70,000 barrels a day or more than ten times the official estimate, is gushing into the Gulf of Mexico from the Deepwater Horizon pipe, based on scientific analysis of the video released Wednesday.
That's the equivalent of one Exxon Valdez tanker full every four days.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/05/gulf_oil_spill_more_than_10x_g.html (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/05/gulf_oil_spill_more_than_10x_g.html)

Underwater video of oil gushing into Gulf of Mexico
Underwater video of oil gushing into Gulf of Mexico (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH4I1a5vg3w#)

Raw Footage of Thursday's Oil Spill Burn in Gulf
Raw Footage of Thursday's Oil Spill Burn in Gulf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyVoNtIUceE&feature=PlayList&p=C94617FBDA5BDD71&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1#)
Oil Spill off the Gulf Of Mexico 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LzIoi5GGko&feature=related#)

Company says it has solution for Gulf oil spill, but being ignored
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/208215-Company-says-it-has-solution-for-Gulf-oil-spill-but-being-ignored (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/208215-Company-says-it-has-solution-for-Gulf-oil-spill-but-being-ignored)
Gulf Oil Spills Brings Emotional Toll
Gulf Oil Spills Brings Emotional Toll (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-B4F7HMQuI#)

OMG  :'( Joe
5/15/10 Obama To Visit Oil Pipe Factory
(NewsCore) - Despite the unchecked oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, U.S. President Barack Obama plans a visit next week to an Ohio factory that makes steel pipes used by the oil and gas industry, the White House announced Friday.

Obama's official schedule calls for him to visit on Tuesday the Vallourec and Mannesmann (V&M) Star factory in Youngstown, Ohio, which has used economic stimulus funds to expand the site and eventually double the size of its workforce.

The White House said Obama would deliver a speech to workers on jobs and the economy after touring the facilities, which it described as a "steel manufacturing company."
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpps/news/obama-to-visit-oil-pipe-factory-dpgonc-km-20100515_7552750 (http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpps/news/obama-to-visit-oil-pipe-factory-dpgonc-km-20100515_7552750)
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Cubanjoe on May 19, 2010, 08:52:03 AM
Gas Leak in Gulf 3000 Times Worse Than Oil Leak

There is 3000 times more natural gas coming out of the leak than oil. The damage of the massive amounts of Gas being released into the gulf is worse than the oil.

Oxygen levels in some areas have dropped 30 percent, and should continue to drop, Joye said.
"It could take years, possibly decades, for the system to recover from an infusion of this quantity of oil and gas," Joye said. "We've never seen anything like this before. It's impossible to fathom the impact."

The Federal Minerals Management Service (MMS) contracted a study to see how badly a deep water drilling oil spill would deplete the gulf of oxygen. this study underestimated the current leak by a factor of 26. It was NOT peer reviewed and did not consider that the damage would occur at depth greater than 700 meters. In other words, the determination of the potential impact of deep water drilling on the ecosystem by the federal agency that regulates these activities was a TOTAL SHAM.


.........................

A BP executive stated that they were removing 3000:1 gas to oil at the well before the explosion. (thats 3000 cubic feet of gas for every barrel of oil) The amount of oil leaking into the gulf is 25,000 to 70,000 barrels.

a 3000:1 ratio would mean 75 - 210 million cubic feet of gas per day being released.
There is 5.64 cubic feet of gas per barrel.

That would mean there is 13.3 to 37.2 million "barrels" of gas being released each day.
(note: this is at standard atmospheric temp and pressure. At the ocean floor and 2,400 pounds per square inch, this gas is compressed by a factor of of over 1000 and will expand as it rises. So, in the video coming out of the pipe it looks like 75,000 to 210,000 barrels of gas per day.

http://rense.com/general90/gasleak.htm (http://rense.com/general90/gasleak.htm)
This goes on to say that this amount of natural gas that is being released can and will lead to the death of most all of the deep water sea life in the Gulf Of Mexico. And then backs it all up with factual evidence and mathematical calculations that blow the "official" reports out of the water. No pun intended.

Why is this not being addressed by the MSM?
It is barely even mentioned. And I am still seeing CNN talk about only 5,000 or so barrels of oil a day are being released. I think we have seen sufficient evidence to know this is a way under intentionally misrepresented estimate.
Gas Leak 3000 Times Worse Than Oil
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/News.php/2010/05/18/gas-leak-3000-times-worse-than-oil (http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/News.php/2010/05/18/gas-leak-3000-times-worse-than-oil)



OMG  :'(
Joe
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Alfred Williams on May 19, 2010, 05:31:13 PM
And they say the tar balls are not from that gusher, how comforting. I think they need to check those against that Atlantis rig It may be leaking and if it is gas they would never tell us! But we have thousands of potentially dangerous rigs. Just wait, that whole shelf will collapse one day and then methane levels could become an explosive problem!!
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on December 08, 2010, 06:11:36 AM
Joe
Any more thoughts on the Hopi elders?
Will be posting more here,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on December 08, 2010, 06:43:44 AM
Hopi prophecy 2012 Rare video part 1.avi     9:36 84,383 Views
Lybertha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzjgL8YAmN4
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on December 08, 2010, 06:57:05 AM
Hopi prophecy 2012 Rare video part 2.avi Lybertha    9:56 27,583 Views

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E4RKco0fqw


Hopi prophecy 2012 Rare video part 3.avi    9:57  20,810 Views
Lybertha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUQSNuBt6j8


Hopi prophecy 2012 Rare video part 4.avi   10:00 20,290  Views
Lybertha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzWDdkVuIn0

Hopi prophecy 2012 Rare video part 5.avi 5:05    21,366 Views
Lybertha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_6vGmjabzw
 
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Lori on December 08, 2010, 07:52:18 AM
In the second video, he mentioned that the Hopi Elders saw dirty lines in the sky,  These lines made many sick.  Chem Trails?
 8) ???
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on December 08, 2010, 11:49:01 AM
In the second video, he mentioned that the Hopi Elders saw dirty lines in the sky,  These lines made many sick.  Chem Trails?
 8) ???

Wow yes you are probably right...
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: colt on December 29, 2010, 05:27:54 PM
nice post :)

hey everyone, just adding my own thoughts/research conclusions on this subject...

in my 2012 research i did come across the prophecies of the hopi and indeed they too point out 2012 as the day humanity takes two paths.

path 1:  shows mankind going down an infinite road of prosperity and happiness and never ends.

path 2:  shows mankind going down a path with rotten crops and the path abruptly has a dead end.

oddly enough this is the same basic story that you see mirrored in almost all ancient religions.
what do they know that we have forgotten? 

thankfully some of us are digging and digging and starting to remember what was once lost.

dig and share!

peace and love!


Colt Mudersbach
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: colt on December 29, 2010, 05:31:18 PM
yeah, the hopi knew.

 :)   is that awesome or what.


peace and love.


Colt Mudersbach
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on December 29, 2010, 05:49:57 PM
If the seventh sign was the BP spill, what were the other six signs?

I may have posted them before somewhere...on the olde Town Hall; needed to review the info...Barb
Here is an image of White Feather:


(http://whitechapelghoststyle.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/kopeli-hopi-snake-priest1.jpg)

http://whitechapelghoststyle.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/kopeli-hopi-snake-priest1.jpg

...
http://www.manataka.org/page112.html  Manataka American Indian Council

FULFILLMENT Of The HOPI BEAR CLAN PROPHESY

Bob Frissel, in his book, "Something In This Book is True…" (Frog Ltd.; Berkeley, California; 1997) relates a story told by Reverend David Young about an encounter in the 1950's.

While driving through a desert in the Southwest, Rev. Young picked up a remarkable Hopi Elder and soon the two began a long conversation about spiritual matters.

"'I am White Feather, a Hopi of the ancient Bear Clan. In my long life I have traveled through this land, seeking out my brothers, and learning from them many things filled with wisdom. I have followed the sacred paths of my people, who inhabit the forests and many lakes in the east, the land of ice and long nights in the north, and the places of holy altars of stone built many years ago by my brothers' fathers in the south. From all these I have heard the stories of the past, and the prophecies of the future. Today, many of the prophecies have turned to stories, and few are left -- the past grows longer, and the future grows shorter.

"'And now White Feather is dying. His sons have all joined his ancestors, and soon he too shall be with them.  But there is no one left, no one to recite and pass on the ancient wisdom. My people have tired of the old ways -- the great ceremonies that tell of our origins, of our emergence into the Fourth World, are almost all abandoned, forgotten, yet even this has been foretold.

The time grows short.

"'My people await Pahana, the lost White Brother [from the stars], as do all our brothers in the land. He will not be like the white men we know now, who are cruel and greedy. We were told of their coming long ago. But still we await Pahana.

"'He will bring with him the symbols, and the missing piece of that sacred tablet now kept by the elders, given to him when he left, that shall identify him as our True White Brother.

"'The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.

"This is the First Sign: We are told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana -- men who took the land that was not theirs. And men who struck their enemies with thunder.  [First sign  of guns.]

"This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. In his youth, my father saw this prophecy come true with his eyes -- the white men bringing their families in wagons across the prairies.

"This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns will overrun the land in large numbers. These White Feather saw with his eyes --the coming of the white men's cattle.

"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron.  [Railroad tracks]

"'This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be crisscrossed by a giant spider's web.   [Electric power and telephone lines]

"This is the Sixth Sign: The land shall be crisscrossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun.  [Highways and their mirage-producing effects]

"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it.  [Oil spills in the ocean]

"'This is the Eighth Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like my people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn their ways and wisdom.  ["Hippie Movement" of the 1960s]

"'And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.  [The Ninth Sign was the U.S. Space Station Skylab, which fell to Earth in 1979. According to Australian eyewitnesses, it appeared to be burning blue.]

"'These are the Signs that great destruction is coming.  The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle against other people in other lands -- with those who possessed the first light of wisdom [Israel?]. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as White Feather has seen the white man make in the deserts not far from here. [Atomic Bomb]  Only those which come will cause disease and a great dying. Many of my people, understanding the prophecies, shall be safe. Those who stay and live in the places of my people also shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon -- very soon afterward -- Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in their hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World.

"'But White Feather shall not see it. I am old and dying.  Perhaps you will see it.  In time, in time....' 

"The old Indian fell silent. They had arrived at his destination, and Reverend David Young stopped to let him out of the car. They never met again. Reverend Young died in 1976, so he did not live to see the further fulfillment of this remarkable prophecy.

Submitted by BlueSkyWaters


...
Also I saw this posted on another site:

The Nine Signs of Hopi Prophecy
 
(From White Feather, Bear Clan, Hopi Tribe)
The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.

First Sign: We were told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana -- men who took the land that was not theirs and who struck their enemies with thunder. (Guns)

Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. (Covered wagons)

Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. (Longhorn cattle)

Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron. (Railroad tracks)

Fifth Sign:
The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web. (Power and telephone lines)

Sixth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun. (Concrete roads and their mirage-producing effects.)

Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it. (Oil spills)

Eighth Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like our people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn our ways and wisdom. (Hippies)

Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of the Hopi people will cease.

"These are the Signs that great destruction is coming. The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle against other people in other lands -- with those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as White Feather has seen the white man make in the deserts not far from here. Only those which come will cause disease and a great dying.

"Many of my people, understanding the prophecies, shall be safe. Those who stay and live in the places of my people also shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon -- very soon afterward -- Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in their hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World.

"But White Feather shall not see it. I am old and dying. You -- perhaps will see it. In time, in time..."

Posted by Brendan Nov 20 2007 at 23:30   

http://earthevolution.blogspot.com/2007/11/nine-signs-of-hopi-prophecy.html
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on December 29, 2010, 05:52:57 PM
nice post :)

hey everyone, just adding my own thoughts/research conclusions on this subject...

in my 2012 research i did come across the prophecies of the hopi and indeed they too point out 2012 as the day humanity takes two paths.

path 1:  shows mankind going down an infinite road of prosperity and happiness and never ends.

path 2:  shows mankind going down a path with rotten crops and the path abruptly has a dead end.

oddly enough this is the same basic story that you see mirrored in almost all ancient religions.
what do they know that we have forgotten? 

thankfully some of us are digging and digging and starting to remember what was once lost.

dig and share!

peace and love!


Colt Mudersbach


Colt, thanks for this! New insight.  :)
All The Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Jimfarmer on December 29, 2010, 07:11:08 PM
Bob Frissel, in his book, "Something In This Book is True…"

The title of the book is Nothing In This Book Is True, But It Is Exactly How Things Are.
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on December 30, 2010, 09:09:55 AM
Those signs were very interesting.  When he said that people who live where Indians are, did he mean even non-Indians?  And if you live where Indians used to be and in an area that was considered sacred with mounds, etc., did he mean you'd be safe too?

Augonit I am not sure exactly how to interpret this.

I do not feel there will be a great influx of non native Americans allowed.  However, there is some land for sale near the reservations and national reserves. Maybe that is close enough for the purposes of this prophecy.
A lot of the Native American lands do seem to be inland and have many survival features. I have seen that there is some dome building going on. The community nature of their life has put them a step closer to survival - closer than many Americans, as long as they have provisions. I hope they are stocking up and also building domes for their domestic animals...
Yowbarb


(http://integratron.com/images/Dome.jpg)


http://www.monolithic.com/stories/tolchiikooh

Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on January 18, 2011, 05:30:15 AM
I tell you, Indians are the coolest people in America!  I think there is what's called the "Prophecy Rock"  for the Hopi.  (I may have gotten the wrong tribe).  This rock has carvings on it telling the story of the four previous worlds and what's to come in the fifth world.

 :)
Augonit, I agree, Yowbarb

http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html

Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on August 24, 2011, 08:29:07 AM
Marshall Master's latest video which does mention the Hopi Prophecy of the Blue Kachina and the Red Kachina,
Yowbarb

YOUTUBE VIDEO
http://youtu.be/oioVNsVfYjI
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on August 24, 2011, 09:35:36 AM
New Topic: Hopi Prophecy Blue Kachina, Red Kachina

http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=2989.0

Started by Yowbarb
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: angeltoes2000 on August 24, 2011, 12:23:20 PM
Thank you for sharing this. 

 :o

New Topic: Hopi Prophecy Blue Kachina, Red Kachina

http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=2989.0

Started by Yowbarb

Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on August 24, 2011, 01:53:41 PM
Thank you for sharing this. 

 :o

New Topic: Hopi Prophecy Blue Kachina, Red Kachina

http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=2989.0

Started by Yowbarb


I hope to learn more about the prophecies... I don't know too much but it seems to add up for me, personally, especially in conjunction with Marshall's video.
all the Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: errrv on August 24, 2011, 10:45:09 PM
Barb, I believe Terrypat had posted a Grand Canyon/Hopi page link that talked about the twins : Honda & levy, coming back to take their places at the north & south poles, while elenin comes in at the same time to fulfill the blue kachina prophecy. It all adds up. I'll see if I can find it and post the link here,
Erv
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Yowbarb on August 25, 2011, 12:57:00 AM
Barb, I believe Terrypat had posted a Grand Canyon/Hopi page link that talked about the twins : Honda & levy, coming back to take their places at the north & south poles, while elenin comes in at the same time to fulfill the blue kachina prophecy. It all adds up. I'll see if I can find it and post the link here,
Erv

Oh that's a bit of synchronocity! The twins.
In the other topic (Blue Katrina Red Katrina) I asked if anyone knew what the twins meant. I had asked if it was Gemini, hence about June 2012...
I see from your post it is not Gemini... still makes me wonder...
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: terrypat on August 25, 2011, 01:15:29 AM
This is the page that discusses the 1st two twins or nephews.

http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Journal/2003/Winter/GrandCanyon/

Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: errrv on August 25, 2011, 05:07:27 AM
Barb, here is the part about the twins:

" Spider Woman said, "You are Poqanghoya and you are to help keep this world in order when life is put upon it. Go now around all the world and put your hands upon the earth so that it will become fully solidified. This is your duty." Spider Woman then said to the twin on the left, "You are Palongawhoya and you are to help keep this world in order when life is put upon it. This is your duty now: go about all the world and send out sound so that it may be heard throughout all the land. When this is heard you will also be known as 'Echo', for all sound echoes the Creator".... When they had accomplished their duties, Poqanghoya was sent to the north pole of the world axis and Palongawhoya to the south pole, where they were jointly commanded to keep the world properly rotating.... "These will be your duties in time to come", said Spider Woman."

Honda & levy make sense in that they "return" together, taking their places at the north & south poles again. This is just my best guess.
Erv
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: terrypat on August 25, 2011, 08:56:10 AM
Fits the story to a tee Erv. Nice job. Again, these prophecies have not been tampered with. From the authors lips to the next elders ears & so on. Makes complete sense.
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: errrv on August 25, 2011, 10:57:56 AM
I'll double check, but I believe all three come back simultaneously.
Erv
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: inselemel on January 28, 2012, 11:22:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK8zsahRplI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

The Hopi Prophecy - i don't think this actual video is on the board yet but the message is probably known by all but i just thought it was a nice wee video (love the music especially).
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: steedy on March 07, 2012, 06:14:06 PM
I have a question that I will post here because I'm not sure if there is a topic on this somewhere else.  Is there any way that non-Natives can be taught the old ways?
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: 1969quartz0 on March 07, 2012, 06:39:49 PM
steedy I think it has more to do with attitude than genetic make up. I know I have Shawnee from my mothers side but my Fathers Grandfather looked like a pure blood but the family denies he was any at all. So you may have native blood and not know it, a lot of people were ashamed of their Indian blood so they lied.
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Schi-502 on March 07, 2012, 08:32:39 PM
Quartzo,
  I lived this scenario.  My father was an Indian.  Cherokee/Choctaw, Oklahoma,  His father was Choctaw and his mother was Cherokee.  He was the oldest of six boys.  His father was a carpenter/builder but drank his paycheck.  His mother had him committed under Oklahoma law, put the boys in an orphanage.  The youngest died in the orphanage, leaving my father guilt ridden about not being a better surrogate father.  At the age of 17 he joined the Marines,.  He got married at 19 and moved to California at 21.
Long story short...
He forever ran from "being a fat little Indian boy".  He constantly denied being an Indian.  Refused to accept quota filling billets.  When my sister used her Indian blood line to gain an advantage in college he lost his mind.  They didn't speak ever again.
He passed in '92 without them ever talking.
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: steedy on March 08, 2012, 08:48:25 AM
steedy I think it has more to do with attitude than genetic make up. I know I have Shawnee from my mothers side but my Fathers Grandfather looked like a pure blood but the family denies he was any at all. So you may have native blood and not know it, a lot of people were ashamed of their Indian blood so they lied.

That's not what I'm talking about.  I meant is there any way that Native Elders could teach non-Native people their old ways?  Would they be willing to pass on their knowledge of their old ways to non-Natives?  I'm thinking on things like, hunting, raising food, what you use the entire animal for, etc.  Basically, how to truly live off the land.
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: 1969quartz0 on March 08, 2012, 03:28:21 PM
steedy I answered that in the first part of my response, it would depend on your attitude and the willingness of your native teacher you wanted to learn from. Some would be willing to teach you some would not.
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Scales on March 09, 2012, 05:58:48 AM
 ""I meant is there any way that Native Elders could teach non-Native people their old ways?  Would they be willing to pass on their knowledge of their old ways to non-Natives?  I'm thinking on things like, hunting, raising food, what you use the entire animal for, etc.  Basically, how to truly live off the land.""

  This is the question of the age. This is what the white man has forgotten. The desire to learn is the first step.

 This is a Hopi thread and I would suggest to anyone who wishes to know more about the Hopi, to go to Hopi land. There is a very nice cultural center there for visitors to stay right on their land with a nice hotel and restaurant. The people are extremely friendly and gentle. The guides obtain a permit to take visitors on a tour and they will take you to see the glyphs and prophecy rock and their villages. It is a very enriching experience and one I highly recommend. People should regard it as a spiritual experience and try to soak up the essence of the people.

  I would think it is the same for visiting most indigenous peoples.

 The remembering is the process, because the white man used to know these things. We are all children of the earth after all and the knowledge is there to recall.

 I'd think Chaunska would have a point or two to make in her section as well, and I think that is what she is doing there. When people bond with the spirits of the "tribes" of animals, you will find that the animals themselves will tell you what you need to know about how to use this or that. One asks permission.

 It is not part of white culture at this time, but in the history, it was known to ask permission from say, Beaver spirit, before trouncing on their sacred ground. If a distinct and noticable sign is not given, then do not enter. That is so far from the behavior of modern culture as to be mystifying, but this is simple spiritual protocol.

 Each animal is a family, and the communication and bonding is best done from them directly. A man should not give another man permission to take this or that from the animal. The spirit of that animal family does this and it would be rewarding beyond anything most people imagine.

 The beaver builds a dam and many other animals benefit. This is the way man should behave. It is a very stark contrast to the way we do now.

 I am white and there is no man who taught me this. Professor experience did. Close observation and open minded willingness is all one needs. Like he said, it is an individual thing, not something that is easily given. Techniques and things of interest can be learned by visiting the various places and I think it is a very good idea to visit as many peoples as possible. The process is spiritual and the work is in the bonding of families, man and animal alike. And trees !

 White man used to know trees and the Celtic history is rife with the knowledge. It used to be taught that each person carried the spirit of certain trees. Find the tree and find the animal. They will come to you if you ask. Go to the place of nature, anywhere, and it is there. It may take some time and be ready to answer for what your "tribe" has done with it's own relationships. Like anything else, if you hit the dog, it will be shy.
Title: Re: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation
Post by: Scales on March 09, 2012, 06:16:06 AM
 To change a quote that is recognizable:

 Ask not what the Beaver and the Owl can do for you, but what can you do for the Beaver and the Owl.

 The universe is reciprocal. In kindergarten, a little girl cam eto me and gave a picture. She said, "here I made this for you". I was very touched and never forgot. Later the bully was picking on her and I went and stopped him. It's a good memory. Makes me squishy and teary still.

 Let the tears of healing flow from the heart. They heal more than just our own person.