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Cosmic Quest - HUMANITY'S DEEP HISTORY => Learning from Ancient Cataclysms => Topic started by: Cubanjoe on May 17, 2010, 04:33:45 PM

Title: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Cubanjoe on May 17, 2010, 04:33:45 PM
Civilizations and Cataclysms!
From a thread:
Due to so many people doubting that cataclysmic events have befallen previous civilizations here on earth and the myths and legends surrounding them. As well as the speculation regarding possible accuracy in predicting future events, proof will be offered here.

You will need Google Earth to view the following locations.

While researching site # 1 originally located by someone else and actually presented online, it became blatantly evident that there was much more to be found under the waters that cover the majority of this planet. Enjoy!

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Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Yowbarb on May 18, 2010, 07:03:13 AM
Hello Joe Montanna New Moderator and welcome!
I had started some Topics about Ancient civilizations and survival secrets,  etc.
Will move those Topics over here on your Board and will continue posting.
So good to see you here .  ;D
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Dctfree on June 08, 2010, 09:00:01 AM
Of all the places you read articles and watch videos and such, after a while things begin to click or come together. I was pondering over pole shifts when I watched a video about the pyramids. And I don't know if anyone has ever considered this point........Maybe the pyramids all over the world were built as markers to study the pole shifts. Each area in the world has pyramids that are unique to that area, they are all slightly different across the world. This would show the pattern of the pole shift and in what direction it moved the ground. And they are so big that it would be hard to miss them. And even if they crumbled to the ground, the mass would be evident they were there. If they are under water, they would most likely be found with technology. This might help to explain why some are buried and others untouched. And i'm sure we will find more in years to come.
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: ASEEKERTOO on July 31, 2010, 05:47:51 AM
here is a youtube video of Chinese Pyramids. I followed the location that the video showed in china on
my own copy of Google Earth and yep; I found them on google earth. The 'distance scale' on my google
earth shows that the footprint of the pyramids rival those of Egypt. About 400 + feet per side. The only
thing I could not get from the satellite was the Height of the pyramids. There are a LOT of them in China.
Also, I have no idea how old the pyramids are supposed to be. They look like earth or mud pyramids. They
may not be all that old.
Pyramids in China - Widescreen HD version 2010 (Google Earth secrets) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDfoRilwdhg&feature=relate#ws)
Food for thought. David
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Yowbarb on July 31, 2010, 10:13:12 AM
Of all the places you read articles and watch videos and such, after a while things begin to click or come together. I was pondering over pole shifts when I watched a video about the pyramids. And I don't know if anyone has ever considered this point........Maybe the pyramids all over the world were built as markers to study the pole shifts. Each area in the world has pyramids that are unique to that area, they are all slightly different across the world. This would show the pattern of the pole shift and in what direction it moved the ground. And they are so big that it would be hard to miss them. And even if they crumbled to the ground, the mass would be evident they were there. If they are under water, they would most likely be found with technology. This might help to explain why some are buried and others untouched. And i'm sure we will find more in years to come.


Dctfree I feel many of these things are possible, which you posted.
Also, ever since I heard of a giant pyramid which was empty, had polished marble floors,  air ducts and no mummies, I felt it might have
been built to provide the royal family, and at  least part of the local populace, shelter from the earth changes caused by the passage
of Planet X. The pyramid is a very stong shape.
I will have to look up where that empty pyramid was. I read that the government there would not let
people in to view it,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Amy Evans on August 17, 2010, 06:42:38 AM
Greetings all.
The most important, in my opinion, record to survive to this time is an ancient Egyptian scroll.  At first it was thought to be a poem and ignored, but you will read a first hand account of the damage caused the last time PX came through.

The Admonitions of Ipuwer     (Papyrus Leiden 334)

(date of original composition uncertain, but generally considered to be describing the turmoil of the First Intermediate Period)
Web site link http://ursulastange.com/courses/documents/ThePapyrusofIpuwer_000.doc (http://ursulastange.com/courses/documents/ThePapyrusofIpuwer_000.doc)

[. .] The door [keepers] say: "Let us go and plunder."
The confectioners [. . .].
The washerman refuses to carry his load [. . .]
The bird [catchers] have drawn up in line of battle [. . . the inhabitants] of the Delta carry shields.
The brewers [. . .] sad.

wrongdoing is everywhere, and there is no man of yesterday.
Indeed, the plunderer [. . .] everywhere, and the servant takes what he finds.
Indeed, the Nile overflows, yet none plough for it [I/1]. Everyone says: "We do not know what will happen throughout the land."
Indeed, the women are barren and none conceive. Khnum fashions (men) no more because of the condition of the land.   [I/1] the Nile overflows, yet none plough for it:
 
Indeed, poor men have become owners of wealth, and he who could not make sandals for himself is now a possessor of riches.
Indeed, men's slaves, their hearts are sad, and magistrates do not fraternize with their people when they shout.
Indeed, [hearts] are violent, pestilence is throughout the land, blood is everywhere, death is not lacking, and the mummy-cloth speaks even before one comes near it.
Indeed, many dead are buried in the river; the stream is a sepulcher and the place of embalmment has become a stream.
Indeed, noblemen are in distress, while the poor man is full of joy. Every town says: "Let us suppress the powerful among us." [II/1]

Squalor is throughout the land, and there are none indeed whose clothes are white in these times.
Indeed, the land turns around as does a potter's wheel; the robber is a possessor of riches and [the rich man is become] a plunderer.

 towns are destroyed and Upper Egypt has become an empty waste.

 Indeed, men are few, and he who places his brother in the ground is everywhere. When the wise man speaks, [he flees without delay].
Indeed, the well-born man [. . .] through lack of recognition, and the child of his lady has become the son of his maidservant.   

Indeed, the desert is throughout the land, the nomes are laid waste, and barbarians [III/1] from abroad have come to Egypt[III/2].
Indeed, men arrive [. . .] and indeed, there are no Egyptians [III/3] anywhere.
Indeed, gold and lapis lazuli, silver and turquoise, carnelian and amethyst, Ibhet-stone and [. . .] are strung on the necks of maidservants. Good things are throughout the land, (yet) housewives say: "Oh that we had something to eat!"
Indeed, [. . .] noblewomen. Their bodies are in sad plight by reason of their rags, and their hearts sink when greeting [one another].

Indeed, the builders [of pyramids have become] cultivators, and those who were in the sacred bark are now yoked [to it]. None shall indeed sail northward to Byblos today; what shall we do for cedar trees for our mummies, and with the produce of which priests are buried and with the oil of which [chiefs] are embalmed as far as Keftiu? They come no more; gold is lacking [. . .] and materials for every kind of craft have come to an end. The [. . .] of the palace is despoiled. How often do people of the oases come with their festival spices, mats, and skins, with fresh rdmt-plants, grease of birds . . . ?

 Indeed, laughter is perished and is [no longer] made; it is groaning that is throughout the land, mingled with complaints.   

Indeed, every dead person is as a well-born man. Those who were Egyptians [have become] foreigners and are thrust aside.
Indeed, hair [has fallen out] for everybody, and the man of rank can no longer be distinguished from him who is nobody.

 Indeed, great and small [say]: "I wish I might die." Little children say: "He should not have caused [me] to live."
Indeed, the children of princes are dashed against walls, and the children of the neck [IV/1] are laid out on the high ground [IV/2].

As for the butler, he is ruined. There are no remedies for it; noblewomen suffer like maidservants, minstrels are at the looms within the weaving-rooms, and what they sing to the Songstress-goddess is mourning. Talkers [. . .] corn-rubbers.
Indeed, all female slaves are free with their tongues, and when their mistress speaks, it is irksome to the maidservants.

Indeed, all animals, their hearts weep; cattle moan because of the state of the land.
Indeed, the children of princes are dashed against walls, and the children of the neck are laid out on the high ground. Khnum groans because of his weariness.

 Indeed, that has perished which yesterday was seen, and the land is left over to its weakness like the cutting of flax, commoners coming and going in dissolution [. . .].   [V/1]the ways are [. . .], the roads are watched: the ways [are not] guarded roads (Wilson)
 
Would that there were an end of men, without conception, without birth! Then would the land be quiet from noise and tumult be no more.
Indeed, [men eat] herbage and wash [it] down with water; neither fruit nor herbage can be found [for] the birds, and [. . .] is taken away from the mouth of the pig. No face is bright

Indeed, public offices are opened and their inventories are taken away; the serf has become an owner of serfs.

 Indeed, the laws of the council chamber are thrown out; indeed, men walk on them in public places, and poor men break them up in the streets.
 
Behold, the fire has gone up on high, and its burning goes forth against the enemies of the land. (Sound familar?)

Behold, things have been done which have not happened for a long time past; the king has been deposed by the rabble.
Behold, he who was buried as a falcon [VII/1] [is devoid] of biers, and what the pyramid concealed has become empty.
Behold, it has befallen that the land has been deprived of the kingship by a few lawless men.

 Behold, the possessors of tombs are ejected on to the high ground, while he who could not make a coffin for himself is now [the possessor] of a treasury.
Behold, this has happened [to] men; he who could not build a room for himself is now a possessor of walls.

 Behold, the possessor of wealth now spends the night thirsty, while he who once begged his dregs for himself is now the possessor of overflowing bowls.
Behold, the possessors of robes are now in rags, while he who could not weave for himself is now a possessor of fine linen.
Behold, he who could not build a boat for himself is now the possessor of a fleet; their erstwhile owner looks at them, but they are not his.
Behold, he who had no shade is now the possessor of shade, while the erstwhile possessors of shade are now in the full blast of the storm.
 
Behold, he who slept wifeless through want [finds] riches, while he whom he never saw stands making dole.
Behold, he who had no property is now a possessor of wealth, and the magnate praises him.
Behold, the poor of the land have become rich, and the [erstwhile owner] of property is one who has nothing.
Behold, serving-men have become masters of butlers, and he who was once a messenger now sends someone else.
Behold, he who had no loaf is now the owner of a barn, and his storehouse is provided with the goods of another.

 Behold, she who had no box is now the owner of a coffer, and she who had to look at her face in the water is now the owner of a mirror.
 
[Behold,] those who once owned beds are now on the ground, while he who once slept in squalor now lays out a skin-mat for himself.

 Behold, a man is slain beside his brother, who runs away and abandons him to save his own skin.


This translation is taken from the webpage of Andre Dollinger
Who kindly allows non-commercial use of his materials
http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/texts/ipuwer.htm (http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/texts/ipuwer.htm)

http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/index.html (http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/index.html)
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Yowbarb on August 17, 2010, 06:51:00 AM
Amy you might find this Topic interesting too,
NOAH'S AND OTHERS' ANCIENT ARKS
http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=605.0 (http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=605.0)

I had started it over in the old Town Hall and then moved it over here...
don't you love those old stories...
I will be going through those posts and make sure I was fairly accurate. It got a bit complex there were possibly two earlier accounts of the flood, earlier than Noah. 
More later,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: ASEEKERTOO on January 04, 2011, 10:34:17 AM
Came across this on youtube.
'Symbols of an Alien Sky'. This is part 1 lasting 8 minutes.
Very well done and the rest of the series is great too.
enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzxVhLcCH8w&feature=related
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: ASEEKERTOO on February 07, 2011, 12:18:47 PM
"The Pleistocene period ended in death. This was no ordinary extinction of a vague geological period, which fizzled to an uncertain end. This death was catastrophic and all inclusive." [Hibben, op. cit.] [Quoted from The Secret History of The World]

Firestone, West and Warwick-Smith write:
"Until recently, the astronomical mainstream was highly critical of Clube and Napier's giant comet hypothesis. However, the crash of comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 on Jupiter in 1994 has led to a change in attitudes. The comet, watched by the world's observatories, was seen split into 20 pieces and slammed into different parts of the planet over a period of several days. A similar impact on Earth, it hardly needs saying, would have been devastating."
 
Circa 12,000 years ago.
The Carolina Bays date to this time. The Carolina bays are mysterious land features often filled with bay trees and other wetland vegetation. Because of their oval shape and consistent orientation, they are considered by some authorities to be the result of a vast meteor shower that occurred approximately 12,000 years ago. What is most astonishing is the number of them. There are over 500,000 of these shallow basins dotting the coastal plain from Georgia to Delaware.  That is a frightening figure.
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Got the above quote from a rather long article about past meteorite/comet hits on the earth. I then went to Google Earth and started
scanning the area from Georgia to Deleware. If someone decides to do that; look at the area in North Carolina ! Wow. It appears
to be craters in a wide area with trees growing inside of them. If anyone is in North Carolina; do you know of these crater features and
are they craters or a trick of the eye ?
Supposedly, the craters in NC were done around 12,000 years ago.
The point is; is that massive numbers of meteorites can hit and past records show that it snuffs out life real quick.
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/151954-Meteorites-Asteroids-and-Comets-Damages-Disasters-Injuries-Deaths-and-Very-Close-Calls
Food for thought.
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Yowbarb on December 23, 2012, 08:44:23 AM
I posted about this archaeological site, Gobekli Tepe a couple of years ago. Going to re-post it here with this video. Posting it here because the video discusses cataclysms during that time period. - Yowbarb
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12,000-year-old unexplained structure     8:20   2,225,717 Views

VIDEO:  http://youtu.be/TZ0ViMVxKZA

SolutreanAhnenerbe
Uploaded on Aug 1, 2011
For a more thorough analysis related to the geological existence for sites such as these, visit the trailer of an up and coming documentary: http://www.indiegogo.com/worldicetheory
Amazing find (History Chanel docum.) in what is now Turkey, 12,000 year-old circular city. Twice as old as any city in Mesopotamia. The Germans are excavating it.
No stone-cutting tools used
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Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: enlightenme on April 23, 2013, 12:35:22 PM


Mayan Calendar End Date Confirmed

 Apr 16, 2013 08:35 AM ET // by Rossella Lorenzi

Carbon-dating of a structural beam from a Guatemalan temple confirms that the Mayan Long Count calendar did end on December 2012, leaving no room for further doomsday prophecies and miscalculations claims.

The Long Count is a complex system of bars and dots that consists of five time units: Bak’tun (144,000 days); K’atun (7,200 days), Tun (360 days), Winal (20 days) and K’in (one day).

The days are counted from a mythological starting point.

PHOTOS: 2012 Doomsday and Other Signs of the End Times

The Long Count proliferated to more than 40 different centers across the Mayan lowlands between 600–900 A.D. and was used to anchor major historical events in time.

However, those historic events comprising royal successions, rituals, victories and defeats, could not be precisely ordered by date as scholars were unable to set the date of the mythical starting point.

Indeed, the Long Count system fell into disuse before European contact in the 16th century, moreover the Spanish colonizers destroyed any evidence that could have helped correlate the Maya and European calendars.

ANALYSIS: Mayan Calendar Discovery Confirms 2012 ‘End Date’

“Many solutions to the problem have been proposed, employing a variety of historical and astronomical data,” an international team of researchers led by Douglas J. Kennett, professor of environmental archaeology at Pennsylvania State University, wrote in the journal Scientific Reports.

However, “correlation constants can vary up to 1,000 years and remain controversial,” they said.

To place the Long Count dates into the European calendar in order to understand when things happened in the Maya world relative to historic events elsewhere, Kennett’s team turned to an elaborately carved wooden beam from a temple in the ancient Maya city of Tikal.

NEWS: Maya Blue Paint Recipe Deciphered

The carvings depict Tikal’s king, known as Jasaw Chan K’awiil. A related text describes his defeat of King Yich’aak K’ahk’ , known as “Claw of Fire,” from a rival kingdom at Calakmul.

Using a combination of high-resolution accelerator mass spectrometry carbon-14 dates and a statistical model of tree growth rates estimated from changing calcium concentrations, the researchers established that the lintel was carved sometime around 658-696 A.D.

The estimate closely matches the most popular method in use, the Goodman-Martinez-Thompson (GMT) correlation, initially put forth by Joseph Goodman in 1905 and subsequently modified by others.

NEWS: Dry Spells Caused Mayan Civilization Fall

According to the GMT estimate, the K’awiil’s victory occurred around 695-712 A.D. The date was determined in the 1950s by carbon dating on two other wooden beams from Tikal.

Kennett and colleagues believe the discrepancy between the two dates can be explained by the fact that the beam was taken from a tree called the sapotilla whose hard wood would have required years to carve.

The date of the Mayan battle would work like a Rosetta stone for the chronology of the ancient civilization.

“Anything that has a Mayan date on it, we can be more certain about what the European date is,” Kennett told U.S. News & World Report.

ANALYSIS: Mayans Cooked Food With Clay Balls

The finding confirms that climate change played a key role in the development and demise of the ancient Maya.

It also means that the end of the 13th Mayan Bak’tun really did happen last year — without any apocalyptic effect.

“The exact date when the Bak’tun changed is open to question, but we know that it was somewhere in December,” Kennett said.
http://news.discovery.com/history/archaeology/mayan-calendar-end-date-confirmed-130416.htm
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: enlightenme on May 01, 2013, 06:41:59 PM
You have just got to click on the link below to see all of these amazing photos!!
Lost Underwater City Uncovered (PHOTOS)

Camille Mann Published: May 1, 2013, 11:17 AM EDT weather.com


A colossal statue of red granite representing the god Hapi, which decorated the temple of Heracleion. The god of the flooding of the Nile, symbol of abundance and fertility, has never before been discovered at such a large scale, which points to his importance for the Canopic region. (Copyright Frank Goddio/Hilti Foundation, photo: Christoph Gerigk)
 
A lost city and vital port known as Heracleion to the ancient Greeks and Thonis to ancient Egyptians was thought to be nothing but a memory until a team from the European Institute for Underwater Archeology (IEASM) discovered the mystical city submerged in the Mediterranean Sea.

Traces of Thonis-Heracleion were found four miles off the coast of Egypt, 30 feet below the Aboukir Bay in 2000. The team, under French underwater archaeologist Dr. Frank Goddio’s direction, discovered many ruins, among them a monolithic chapel, a giant red granite statue of the god Hapi and the largest known concentration of ancient ships. It was the chapel that tipped off Goddio that it was in fact the lost city.

Underwater Lost City Found
 

"The archaeological evidence is simply overwhelming," says Sir Barry Cunliffe, eminent archaeologist at Oxford University in a release. "By lying untouched and protected by sand on the seafloor for centuries they are brilliantly preserved."

Goddio and IEASM’s 13-year excavation was documented in “Egypt’s Sunken City - A Legend Is Revealed,” a special scheduled to air on French and German tv network Channel Arte on May 11.

A panel of experts weighed in on the team’s finds at a conference at Oxford University earlier this year, but they are still unclear on how exactly the ancient city sunk. Goddio’s team believes liquefaction of the soil at spots near the Aboukir Bay due to the pressure of large buildings on the clay and water could have caused the submergence.

The team also believes it could have been due to an “unusually high flood” or an earthquake either in combination with liquefaction or by itself that could have caused the city to sink.


http://www.weather.com/news/science/lost-underwater-city-uncovered-20130430

I think the last paragraph above is just very telling, isn't it??  Hmmm, I wonder what could have possibly caused that "unusully high flood" or "earthquake" at that point of time in history....Now let me just think.... ::) ;D
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Endtimesgal_2012 on May 02, 2013, 08:16:32 AM
This is very exciting, wish they would show the documentary in the US.  I am really drawn to this kind of stuff, especially to the Persian Gulf area.
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: enlightenme on May 02, 2013, 08:43:36 AM
This is very exciting, wish they would show the documentary in the US.  I am really drawn to this kind of stuff, especially to the Persian Gulf area.

Me too Endtimesgal!  Hopefully the documentary will eventually make it's way to the US, or maybe it will show up on youtube, or something!
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: ASEEKERTOO on May 02, 2013, 01:52:56 PM
Wow. Love stuff like this.
Here is a youtube video but it is not in English.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITfUuzTXa68 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITfUuzTXa68)
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: enlightenme on May 02, 2013, 05:20:51 PM
Wow. Love stuff like this.
Here is a youtube video but it is not in English.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITfUuzTXa68 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITfUuzTXa68)

Excellent!  Thanks Seeker!
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: enlightenme on May 15, 2013, 07:00:25 AM
Thanks seeker!

Here's a Sad One!  A cataclysm of a different sort...

AP photo/Jaime Awe
 
A backhoe claws away at the sloping sides of the Nohmul complex, one of Belize's largest Mayan pyramids on May 10, 2013 in northern Belize. A construction company has essentially destroyed one of Belize's largest Mayan pyramids with backhoes and bulldozers to extract crushed rock for a road-building project.
 
BELIZE CITY – A construction company has essentially destroyed one of Belize's largest Mayan pyramids with backhoes and bulldozers to extract crushed rock for a road-building project.

The head of the Belize Institute of Archaeology, Jaime Awe, said Monday that the destruction at the Nohmul complex in northern Belize was detected late last week. The ceremonial center dates back at least 2,300 years and is the most important site in northern Belize, near the border with Mexico.

"It's a feeling of incredible disbelief because of the ignorance and the insensitivity ... they were using this for road fill," Awe said. "It's like being punched in the stomach, it's just so horrendous."

Nohmul sat in the middle of a privately owned sugar cane field, and lacked the even stone sides frequently seen in reconstructed or better-preserved pyramids. But Awe said the builders could not possibly have mistaken the pyramid mound, which is about 100 feet tall, for a natural hill because the ruins were well-known and the landscape there is naturally flat.

play Video (see video and pics at link below)
 
Demolition Gone Wrong

"These guys knew that this was an ancient structure. It's just bloody laziness," Awe said.

photos from the scene showed backhoes clawing away at the pyramid's sloping sides, leaving an isolated core of limestone cobbles at the center, with what appears to be a narrow Mayan chamber dangling above one clawed-out section.

"Just to realize that the ancient Maya acquired all this building material to erect these buildings, using nothing more than stone tools and quarried the stone, and carried this material on their heads, using tump lines," said Awe. "To think that today we have modern equipment, that you can go and excavate in a quarry anywhere, but that this company would completely disregard that and completely destroyed this building. Why can't these people just go and quarry somewhere that has no cultural significance? It's mind-boggling."

Belizean police said they are conducting an investigation and criminal charges are possible. The Nohmul complex sits on private land, but Belizean law says that any pre-Hispanic ruins are under government protection.

The Belize community-action group Citizens Organized for Liberty Through Action called the destruction of the archaeological site "an obscene example of disrespect for the environment and history."

It is not the first time it's happened in Belize, a country of about 350,000 people that is largely covered in jungle and dotted with hundreds of Mayan ruin sites, though few as large as Nohmul.

Norman Hammond, an emeritus professor of archaeology at Boston University who worked in Belizean research projects in the 1980s, wrote in an email that "bulldozing Maya mounds for road fill is an endemic problem in Belize (the whole of the San Estevan center has gone, both of the major pyramids at Louisville, other structures at Nohmul, many smaller sites), but this sounds like the biggest yet."

Arlen Chase, chairman of the Department of Anthropology at the University of Central Florida, said, "Archaeologists are disturbed when such things occur, but there is only a very limited infrastructure in Belize that can be applied to cultural heritage management."

"Unfortunately, they (destruction of sites) are all too common, but not usually in the center of a large Maya site," Chase wrote.

He said there had probably still been much to learn from the site. "A great deal of archaeology was undertaken at Nohmul in the `70s and `80s, but this only sampled a small part of this large center."
 
“It's a feeling of incredible disbelief because of the ignorance and the insensitivity.”
 Jaime Awe, head of the Belize Institute of Archaeology
 
Belize isn't the only place where the handiwork of the far-flung and enormously prolific Maya builders is being destroyed. The ancient Mayas spread across southeastern Mexico and through Guatemala, Honduras and Belize.

"I don't think I am exaggerating if I say that every day a Maya mound is being destroyed for construction in one of the countries where the Maya lived," wrote Francisco Estrada-Belli, a professor at Tulane University's Anthropology Department.

"Unfortunately, this destruction of our heritage is irreversible but many don't take it seriously," he added. "The only way to stop it is by showing that it is a major crime and people can and will go to jail for it."

Robert Rosenswig, an archaeologist at the State University of New York at Albany, described the difficult and heartbreaking work of trying to salvage information at the nearby site of San Estevan following similar destruction around 2005.

"Bulldozing damage at San Estevan is extensive and the site is littered with Classic period potsherds," he wrote in an academic paper describing the scene. "We spent a number of days at the beginning of the 2005 season trying to figure out the extent of the damage .... after scratching our heads for many days, a bulldozer showed up and we realized that what appear to be mounds, when overgrown with chest-high vegetation, are actually recently bulldozed garbage piles."

However small the compensation, bulldozing pyramids is one very brutal way of revealing the inner cores of the structures, which were often built up in periodic stages of construction.

"The one advantage of this massive destruction, to the core site, is that the remains of early domestic activity are now visible on the surface," Rosenswig wrote.

http://www.weather.com/news/mayan-pyramid-bulldozed-belize-20130514
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Yowbarb on May 15, 2013, 08:04:42 AM
Here are a couple of images which go with Enlightenme's post about the lost underwater city, off the coast of Egypt.
- Yowbarb
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Lost Underwater City Uncovered (PHOTOS)

Camille Mann Published: May 4, 2013, 7:54 AM EDT weather.com
http://www.weather.com/news/science/lost-underwater-city-uncovered-20130430

A colossal statue of red granite representing the god Hapi, which decorated the temple of Heracleion. The god of the flooding of the Nile, symbol of abundance and fertility, has never before been discovered at such a large scale, which points to his importance for the Canopic region. (Copyright Frank Goddio/Hilti Foundation, photo: Christoph Gerigk)
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Yowbarb on May 15, 2013, 09:27:44 AM
Enlightenme,
Thanks for posting the article. Wow that really is unbelievable someone would do this!
- Yowbarb
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Referring to your post,
BELIZE CITY – A construction company has essentially destroyed one of Belize's largest Mayan pyramids with backhoes and bulldozers to extract crushed rock for a road-building project.
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Yowbarb on February 09, 2014, 09:20:04 AM
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Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: MadMax on April 21, 2017, 02:55:17 PM
Interesting Article!

Stone carvings at Gobekli Tepe in Turkey confirm how comet struck Earth in 10,950BC

https://www.sott.net/article/348820-Stone-carvings-at-Gobekli-Tepe-in-Turkey-confirm-how-comet-struck-Earth-in-10950BC

Ancient stone carvings confirm that a comet struck the Earth around 11,000BC, a devastating event which wiped out woolly mammoths and sparked the rise of civilisations.

Experts at the University of Edinburgh analysed mysterious symbols carved onto stone pillars at Gobekli Tepe in southern Turkey, to find out if they could be linked to constellations.

The markings suggest that a swarm of comet fragments hit Earth at the exact same time that a mini-ice age struck, changing the entire course of human history.

Scientists have speculated for decades that a comet could be behind the sudden fall in temperature during a period known as the Younger Dryas. But recently the theory appeared to have been debunked by new dating of meteor craters in North America where the comet is thought to have struck.

However, when engineers studied animal carvings made on a pillar - known as the vulture stone - at Gobekli Tepe they discovered that the creatures were actually astronomical symbols which represented constellations and the comet.

The idea had been originally put forward by author Graham Hancock in his book Magicians of the Gods.

Using a computer programme to show where the constellations would have appeared above Turkey thousands of years ago, they were able to pinpoint the comet strike to 10,950BC, the exact time the Younger Dryas begins according to ice core data from Greenland.

The Younger Dryas is viewed as a crucial period for humanity, as it roughly coincides with the emergence of agriculture and the first Neolithic civilisations.

Before the strike, vast areas of wild wheat and barley had allowed nomadic hunters in the Middle East to establish permanent base camps. But the difficult climate conditions following the impact forced communities to come together and work out new ways of maintaining the crops, through watering and selective breeding. Thus farming began, allowing the rise of the first towns.

Edinburgh researchers said the carvings appear to have remained important to the people of Gobekli Tepe for millennia, suggesting that the event and cold climate that followed likely had a very serious impact.


"Our work serves to reinforce that physical evidence. What is happening here is the process of paradigm change.

"It appears Göbekli Tepe was, among other things, an observatory for monitoring the night sky.

"One of its pillars seems to have served as a memorial to this devastating event - probably the worst day in history since the end of the ice age."

Gobekli Tepe, is thought to be the world's oldest temple site, which dates from around 9,000BC, predating Stonehenge by around 6,000 years.


"Our work serves to reinforce that physical evidence. What is happening here is the process of paradigm change.

Researchers believe the images were intended as a record of the cataclysmic event, and that a further carving showing a headless man may indicate human disaster and extensive loss of life.

If you consider that, according to astronomers, this giant comet probably arrived in the inner solar system some 20 to 30 thousand years ago, and it would have been a very visible and dominant feature of the night sky, it is hard to see how ancient people could have ignored this given the likely consequences." (or the Planet-X system maybe??)

Max.
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Socrates on April 22, 2017, 05:55:17 PM
https://www.sott.net/article/348820-Stone-carvings-at-Gobekli-Tepe-in-Turkey-confirm-how-comet-struck-Earth-in-10950BC
Ancient stone carvings confirm that a comet struck the Earth around 11,000BC, a devastating event which wiped out woolly mammoths and sparked the rise of civilisations.

Ocmulgee site going back at least 17,000 years.
https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/11-04-2016-ocmulgee-getaway.htm
2,000 artifacts on display, including a Clovis Point spear head dating to 10,000 BCE

Again and again, throughout the years and all of science and literature, this number keeps popping up: 13,000 years.
Magnetic pole reversals, galactic superwaves, ice ages, even 'Planet X'; you name it, this number pops up. Hell, the galactic cycle itself is 2 x 13,000 [half positively, half negatively poled].

page 100 of Paul LaViolette's Earth Under Fire
Reference to an ancient celestial catastrophe can also be found in American Indian legends. The Vilela Indians of Argentina have a myth that tells of how an offended spirit caused the Earth to be enveloped in an absolute darkness that lasted for an entire year. The people starved to the point of eating their dogs. Finally the spirit summoned a strong wind, which blew away not only the darkness but the thatched houses as well. Afterward, the people were so weak that they crawled on all fours.
Ancient survivor stories, as well, appear to head back to around such dates. And one might well ask why; why doesn't mankind have accounts that go back [far!] beyond around 11,000 BC? Whatever the answer is, all manner of scientific disciplines hit this magic number. And it all points to the looming of the end of said cycle soon, if not imminently.
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Yowbarb on April 23, 2017, 12:28:26 AM
There is an ancient fragment of a stone tablet which may go back that far... refer back to that age.
I will find where I posted it and refer to it. 
It is called, Cory's Ancient Fragments.  https://archive.org/details/corysancientfrag00coryuoft
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Yowbarb on April 23, 2017, 12:29:48 AM
Great material, MadMax and also Socrates...
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Yowbarb on April 23, 2017, 12:41:15 AM

Again and again, throughout the years and all of science and literature, this number keeps popping up: 13,000 years.
Magnetic pole reversals, galactic superwaves, ice ages, even 'Planet X'; you name it, this number pops up. Hell, the galactic cycle itself is 2 x 13,000 [half positively, half negatively poled].

page 100 of Paul LaViolette's Earth Under Fire
Reference to an ancient celestial catastrophe can also be found in American Indian legends. The Vilela Indians of Argentina have a myth that tells of how an offended spirit caused the Earth to be enveloped in an absolute darkness that lasted for an entire year. The people starved to the point of eating their dogs. Finally the spirit summoned a strong wind, which blew away not only the darkness but the thatched houses as well. Afterward, the people were so weak that they crawled on all fours.
Ancient survivor stories, as well, appear to head back to around such dates. And one might well ask why; why doesn't mankind have accounts that go back [far!] beyond around 11,000 BC? Whatever the answer is, all manner of scientific disciplines hit this magic number. And it all points to the looming of the end of said cycle soon, if not imminently.

PS: Socrates, about Cory's Fragments.
I had gone into it in more depth but we lost our original topic I had posted years ago.
Here is the link to what we do have: 

Topic: We used to have a Topic, Noah's and Other's Ancient Arks
 
http://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=5007.msg70296#msg70296
Excerpt of my old post:
Noah's and Other's Ancient Arks.
I think this got wiped out in some computer problem. It was a great Topic.
Will try to reconstruct it.
I had posted lots of info from a site called Sacred Texts.
There is evidence in ancient Chaldean tablets of a Great Flood in a time period earlier than the flood mentioned in the ancient Torah...Old Testament.
"Cory's Fragments" refer back to an even more ancient time
. - Barb T.


sources...
http://www.sacred-texts.com/

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/chad/index.htm 
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Jimfarmer on April 23, 2017, 10:13:34 AM
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Again and again, throughout the years and all of science and literature, this number keeps popping up: 13,000 years.
... Hell, the galactic cycle itself is 2 x 13,000 [half positively, half negatively poled].

Possibly due to the Doppler Effect as the Solar System reverses direction relative to a moving "wind" of some sort in the environment in the 26,000-year period of orbit around the common center of gravity of the Sun and the Sun's binary twin.
Title: Re: 13,000-year cycle of global destruction
Post by: Socrates on April 23, 2017, 10:40:36 AM
My name is "Socrates" because i always admired how the ancient Socrates worked from the simple premise that he knew 'nothing'. One might say: we know what we know (and it's smart to acknowledge and accept that that's just about all you know, so don't act like you know more than you actually do); and speculation, imagination and assumptions are not knowing...

Based on all kinds of research in all kinds of scientific fields, there's this 13,000-year cycle. Now, perhaps we'll never know what is the ultimate cause of this returning destruction, but in the end it's a moot point; just knowing massive destruction is on it's way puts you way ahead of 7,000,000,000 souls not preparing for any such event.
Common sense will help you out, i figure. I mean, again, whatever's coming was enough to clear the Earth of mankind's presence 13,000 years ago and all you have to do is contemplate if your preparations would've helped make you through that event.
Like: Did they have bunkers 13,000 years ago? Well, why the hell not?!
So now you know that a bunker ain't gonna cut it.
And so you keep on digging until you figure you've covered all the bases, i.e. possible megagales, megaquakes, galactic superwave effects, ice age, etc. etc. etc.
It's a process; you don't get there overnight, but i believe we can all get there if we stick with it.
Title: Re: 13,000-year cycle of global destruction
Post by: Yowbarb on April 23, 2017, 11:03:41 PM
My name is "Socrates" because i always admired how the ancient Socrates worked from the simple premise that he knew 'nothing'. One might say: we know what we know (and it's smart to acknowledge and accept that that's just about all you know, so don't act like you know more than you actually do); and speculation, imagination and assumptions are not knowing...

Based on all kinds of research in all kinds of scientific fields, there's this 13,000-year cycle. Now, perhaps we'll never know what is the ultimate cause of this returning destruction, but in the end it's a moot point; just knowing massive destruction is on it's way puts you way ahead of 7,000,000,000 souls not preparing for any such event.
Common sense will help you out, i figure. I mean, again, whatever's coming was enough to clear the Earth of mankind's presence 13,000 years ago and all you have to do is contemplate if your preparations would've helped make you through that event.
Like: Did they have bunkers 13,000 years ago? Well, why the hell not?!
So now you know that a bunker ain't gonna cut it.
And so you keep on digging until you figure you've covered all the bases, i.e. possible megagales, megaquakes, galactic superwave effects, ice age, etc. etc. etc.
It's a process; you don't get there overnight, but i believe we can all get there if we stick with it.

Socrates, we know they did have ancient underground networks of caves such as Cappadocia
Who knows who might have survived earlier passages of PX there, in pre-Christian times...
(http://www.fazturkey.com/Files/User/Product/Orjinal/1358_cappadocia%20Turkey.jpg)

Cappadocia in which early Christians built wonderful arches, which apparently still stand. (Documentary I saw.) . A City was built on top.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/57/88/e857886badffd82e5b64580cb63432a0.jpg)

The caves are described as 5,000 years old but I feel people were there taking shelter for many of thousands of years before that.... 

(https://www.captivatingcappadocia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Cappadocia-underground-city.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/65/03/e3/6503e3ea1bd646e09e3e5819989056af.jpg)

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/massive-5000-year-old-underground-city-uncovered-cappadocia-turkey-002507

I had better images, will have to find...
Then there is a theory some of the pyramids were build as shelters. Will find that info. An empty pyramid, with smooth polished floors and what looked like ventilation shafts.

Humankind survived...
Title: Re: Cappadocia & pyramids
Post by: Socrates on April 24, 2017, 03:37:51 AM
Who knows who might have survived earlier passages of PX [in Cappadocia], in pre-Christian times...

Then there is a theory some of the pyramids were build as shelters.
Humankind survived...
According to David Wilcock there are 3300 structures like the pyramids all over the world. Obviously [sic], mankind survived. However, we were all in a 'stone age' 10,000 years ago; this we know. Hey, maybe they built the darn things and then only idiots made it inside in time... God knows the handful of folks @ Planet X Town Hall is a pitiful number in relation to the 7 billion on Earth today.

I've read about Cappadocia and though it might go even thousands of years beyond 5 thousand, it's quite a stretch to think 12 rather than 5...
Fact is that research and history show that the Earth is regularly buffeted by cosmic effects, only they're usually not on the scale of stone age events.
I don't know about the geology @ Cappadocia and have no way of knowing if the caves [and their entrances/exits!] will hold up against megaquakes.
But simple common sense has me wondering: if a whole city of folks managed to survive 13,000 years ago, then why did they get thrown back into our Stone Age?
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: R.R. Book on April 24, 2017, 04:17:49 AM
Why is it that some refer to the cycle as being 13,000 years, while others say it's 3600?
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Jimfarmer on April 24, 2017, 10:11:23 AM
Why is it that some refer to the cycle as being 13,000 years, while others say it's 3600?

Two different processes.
1) 3600 years is the period of Planet X's orbit around both the Sun and its' binary twin.
2) 13000 years is half of the period of the Sun's orbit around the center of gravity of it and its' binary twin.

Using more precise data, note that 25952/3657 = 7.096, so there might be a resonance.
Title: Re: 13,000 years
Post by: Socrates on April 24, 2017, 10:30:02 AM
Admin/Marshall has argued "3600" should be read "3500" because it's not about sun cycles but moon cycles.

Alan Alford in his Gods of the New Millennium argues that 3+6+0+0 should read 2160 (http://b2012overleven.runboard.com/t155) because of a mathematical system used by the Anunnaki to translate Nibiru orbits into Earth orbits. Another interesting source i've found states that 2160 should be 2148 because of changes in cosmic cycles or something [follow the links to get into details]. And 2148 x 6 = 12888;
why x 6? Because Nibiru is only on the same side of the Sun as we are every other time, mostly; x 3 because it apparently doesn't come close enough to the Earth every time to create stone age events, though history certainly shows that every 4300 years or so, the proverbial sh!t does hit the fan...

In an interview with Robert Felix on ice ages (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx7dcoe_Mck&t=667s) he explains that "13,000" or "11,500" is a matter of perspective; does one see the cycle from a galactic or solar viewpoint?
He points to 3 ice age cycles:
- 360
- 11,500
- 105,000
years, respectively.

I personally hold to the 12,888 #, for reasons i've gotten into in detail in posts you can find if you follow the links (but which would be far too lengthly to add to this reply).


Whatever it is, 13,000/12,000/11,500 or anything else, there are just too many signs from too many reputable sources to ignore that there are destructive cosmological cycles we should seriously take into account. Will an end come this year or years from now, or decades or centuries from now? Does it really matter?
I see it all as being prepared; why? Because you're supposedly a grownup and grownups should be prepared and not sit around with victim attitudes hoping for the best... A 'civilization insurance'; is it really so far-fetched?
One thing is certain: mankind did not pop into existence a few thousand years ago; that simply goes against everything we've ever learned about genetics. So what happened to our ancestors? And did it happen 13,000 years ago? Maybe. And maybe 'Planet X' was a cause, maybe it was an observer, or maybe it's part of the process.
I just know i have been running into research pointing to pivotal events occuring around 11,000BC [i.e. about 13,000 years ago] since i started paying attention to such things. And if i had been saving copies of publications i've run into through the years, i could probably put together a list of about a dozen separate sources getting to this number, all on their own.
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: R.R. Book on April 24, 2017, 01:06:16 PM
Thank you Jimfarmer and Socrates.  I wish I could see diagrams other than the usual long transverse ellipse bisecting our own ecliptic plane that we've all seen- am a very visual person!

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1) 3600 years is the period of Planet X's orbit around both the Sun and its' binary twin.

Jim, If 3600 years is the periodicity of Px/Nibiru's orbit around both of our binary stars, do you mean the amount of time that it takes Px to make one full revolution around Nemesis while Nemesis is simultaneously making a 3600 year perihelion revolution around Sol (as opposed to slingshotting around it and exiting to continue on its long elliptical journey without staying a while first)?  Or that Px revolves around Nemesis in the same amount of time that it (Px) revolves around Sol when it visits out in our neck of the woods?  Am ruling out that you mean to say Nemesis' eliptical orbit from aphelion to perihelion (outer solar system to inner solar system) is 3600 years.

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2) 13000 years is half of the period of the Sun's orbit around the center of gravity of it and its' binary twin.

Are you referring to Sol's orbit around Alcyon at the center of our galaxy?  Does our own sun orbit around anything else besides Alcyon - you referred to a "center of gravity."

Thank you for your patience with my questions!  Beyond the survival question, my mind is also hungry to understand these larger rhythms that most of us don't even know we're a part of. My understanding is that these cycles may impact us more deeply on a spiritual level than we may know.

Socrates, thank you for the detailed reply.  I also located a Robert Felix interview with Jeff Rense, and was interested that he said we already qualify to be in a new ice age temperature-wise, and that the only thing missing right now is the moisture.  Of course, that interview is a few years old, and we've suddenly been getting a lot of moisture lately...

I found this bit of information on your link to the Alan Alford discussion: "These two numbers, 3600 and 2160, represented the two important cycles of the gods. One was the orbital period of their planet, which in practice meant a ceremonial visit from the leader Anu, and an opportunity to transfer resources between the planets. The other determined the rotation of the Lordship over the gods on Earth. Amazingly, these two cycles precisely coincided every 10800 Earth-years, at which point exactly 5 precessional ages were completed, and exactly three orbits of Nibiru."

Then another participant in the discussion adds, "Let's face it, we determine most time by the orbit of our Earth around our Sun so why suppose Nibiru's orbit isn't fundamental to the Anunnaki, at least for the Anunnaki on Earth? "  So the people most interested in calculating the two orbits at once may have been the Nibiruans stranded/based/ruling on earth whilst their loved ones/superior officers/compatriots were inbound from "back home."

Then, it could be argued that 10,800 is a very sacred cycle for all of us, earthlings and Nibiruans combined, as so many events are culminating at once.  Akin to a Jewish High Holy Day taking place in a Jubilee year that also happens to be a presidential election year simultaneously with the coronation of a new Pope...

Socrates, you'll get no argument from me about the need to prepare in sober earnest - been doing that a while not realizing why until a year ago - but I'm wondering if in all of the dread there may be some cause for celebrating.  Will pack away a bottle of champagne in my provisions in a safe place just in case!:)
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: R.R. Book on April 24, 2017, 03:22:14 PM
More from the Alford discussion link that Socrates provided:

"So what we have is a precessional cycle that lasts 25,000-something years [now: 25,556]; that's the time it takes for the galactic center to come into alignment with Earth again.
Now, the Anunnaki came to Earth, a hierarchal authoritarian tradition-ruled elite body politic; according to sources like Sitchin, they decided to divide rule over Earth among 12 of them, to each an age.
Why? That is the question. Why 12?

The answer is ultimately simple and explains why an age lasts about 2160 years to begin with.
They could have divided the galactic year in 100 parts, or any number, why 12?
Because 12 is the times that Nibiru passes Earth during the time it takes Earth to realign with the galactic center.

The zodiac was created BY the Anunnaki. Look at it: the signs in the sky don't look like the stars they're drawn around at all. They're just a few dots that make up a zodiac sign. The signs have significance and the number of them have the significance that Nibiru comes by every time a sign changes.
Look at Sagitarius and Scorpio, how their arrows [the archer's arrowpoint and the scorpion's tail] point to the galactic center; the signs have meaning.

They divided 25,000 something by 12 because of the time it takes Nibiru to come by Earth, the planet they were on and upon which they created their taking-turns aeon politics.

I'm getting the idea, by now, that the coming of Nibiru, a 13,000 [half of the 25,000+ cycle] galactic superwave occurance, and the one-time Great Flood are all in a great mix that makes it hard to make sense of what's been going on in the last 13,000 years.
Calculated guesses are all we might be able to hope for but knowing that we aren't stuck to the number 12, i.e. the Anunnaki-made zodiac, is a good place to start, i think."


Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: ilinda on April 24, 2017, 04:22:05 PM
More from the Alford discussion link that Socrates provided:

"So what we have is a precessional cycle that lasts 25,000-something years [now: 25,556]; that's the time it takes for the galactic center to come into alignment with Earth again.
Now, the Anunnaki came to Earth, a hierarchal authoritarian tradition-ruled elite body politic; according to sources like Sitchin, they decided to divide rule over Earth among 12 of them, to each an age.
Why? That is the question. Why 12?

The answer is ultimately simple and explains why an age lasts about 2160 years to begin with.
They could have divided the galactic year in 100 parts, or any number, why 12?
Because 12 is the times that Nibiru passes Earth during the time it takes Earth to realign with the galactic center.
....
They divided 25,000 something by 12 because of the time it takes Nibiru to come by Earth, the planet they were on and upon which they created their taking-turns aeon politics.

I'm getting the idea, by now, that the coming of Nibiru, a 13,000 [half of the 25,000+ cycle] galactic superwave occurance, and the one-time Great Flood are all in a great mix that makes it hard to make sense of what's been going on in the last 13,000 years.
Calculated guesses are all we might be able to hope for but knowing that we aren't stuck to the number 12, i.e. the Anunnaki-made zodiac, is a good place to start, i think."

That is the first time I've read about the fact that it takes 12 times for Nibiru to cycle through our own solar system during one complete trip by us through our Milky Way and it seems to add another piece to the puzzle.

Another complicating factor is that each time the Nibiru grouping of bodies passes through our Solar System, we are in yet a different position/location in our path around the sun, so even if we knew exactly what events occurred in the last flyby, we cannot say that is exactly what will happen again.  We've been seeing how different the conditions on Earth could be during the flyby, depending on where the Earth is in relation to the grouping of Nibiru/PX bodies, as it approaches its own perihelion, and also as it finishes its perihelion and proceeds to exit the Solar System.

 It seems too complicated for humans to exactly calculate anything for several reasons:  we do not know exactly how many bodies, and the total mass of the PX system; we do not know enough about celestial mechanics do we?  One exercise that sounds easy but probably isn't, is to begin photographing objects near the sun, in earnest, and very carefully measuring their apparent diameter (of the largest ones), then by observing successive photographs, taken at the same magnification, one can start to get a handle on distance, using the formula in the attachment.  I'll study the formula (from my astronomy book) and add whatever information might help any of us so the calculations.

Title: Re: what do we know/what can we know
Post by: Socrates on April 24, 2017, 06:27:22 PM
It seems too complicated for humans to exactly calculate anything for several reasons
Hence all the Stone Henges in the world; even the aliens here were hard pressed to find out exactly how cosmic cycles work themselves out.

The quote's mine, btw; i did a lot of online thinking-outloud in 2012.
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Jimfarmer on April 24, 2017, 10:21:31 PM
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"So what we have is a precessional cycle that lasts 25,000-something years [now: 25,556]; that's the time it takes for the galactic center to come into alignment with Earth again.
Now, the Anunnaki came to Earth, a hierarchal authoritarian tradition-ruled elite body politic; according to sources like Sitchin, they decided to divide rule over Earth among 12 of them, to each an age.
Why? That is the question. Why 12?

The answer is ultimately simple and explains why an age lasts about 2160 years to begin with.
They could have divided the galactic year in 100 parts, or any number, why 12?
Because 12 is the times that Nibiru passes Earth during the time it takes Earth to realign with the galactic center.

Not according to data given by zetatalk.com.  They say that PX swings around every 3657 years.

12x2160 = 25920  not 2556.   25920/3657 = 7.088  not 12.

A few years ago, I checked the orientation of the planes of the equator of the galaxy, the equator of the Sun, and the equator of the Earth.  It turns out that the Earth, Sun, and center of the Milky Way align twice every year; once with Sun in the center point, and once with Earth in the center.  But, that alignment occurs at dawn on the day of the winter solstice only once every 25920 years.

By the way:
"The Sun executes oscillations around its mean orbit in the Galaxy, periodically crossing the Galactic plane. ... As the Sun is currently above the plane and moving upwards, and each cycle takes about 70 million years with an amplitude of 100pc (Matese et al. 1995), it will be roughly 30 million years before we cross the plane again."
from https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/822/how-far-is-the-earth-sun-above-below-the-galactic-plane-and-is-it-heading-towar
(100 pc = 326 light-years)
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: ilinda on April 25, 2017, 05:13:49 PM
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"So what we have is a precessional cycle that lasts 25,000-something years [now: 25,556]; that's the time it takes for the galactic center to come into alignment with Earth again.
Now, the Anunnaki came to Earth, a hierarchal authoritarian tradition-ruled elite body politic; according to sources like Sitchin, they decided to divide rule over Earth among 12 of them, to each an age.
Why? That is the question. Why 12?

The answer is ultimately simple and explains why an age lasts about 2160 years to begin with.
They could have divided the galactic year in 100 parts, or any number, why 12?
Because 12 is the times that Nibiru passes Earth during the time it takes Earth to realign with the galactic center.

Not according to data given by zetatalk.com.  They say that PX swings around every 3657 years.

12x2160 = 25920  not 2556.   25920/3657 = 7.088  not 12.

A few years ago, I checked the orientation of the planes of the equator of the galaxy, the equator of the Sun, and the equator of the Earth.  It turns out that the Earth, Sun, and center of the Milky Way align twice every year; once with Sun in the center point, and once with Earth in the center.  But, that alignment occurs at dawn on the day of the winter solstice only once every 25920 years.

This question is about "alignment".  When you talk of alignment, do you mean the the plane of our solar system aligns with the plane of the Milky Way?  Or are you talking about the three "bodies", Earth, Sun, and "center" of MW?   If so, I need to ponder that, as I'm on a different track in this "alignment thing".
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: Jimfarmer on April 26, 2017, 09:26:08 AM
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A few years ago, I checked the orientation of the planes of the equator of the galaxy, the equator of the Sun, and the equator of the Earth.  It turns out that the Earth, Sun, and center of the Milky Way align twice every year; once with Sun in the center point, and once with Earth in the center.  But, that alignment occurs at dawn on the day of the winter solstice only once every 25920 years.

This question is about "alignment".  When you talk of alignment, do you mean the the plane of our solar system aligns with the plane of the Milky Way?  Or are you talking about the three "bodies", Earth, Sun, and "center" of MW?

Three bodies in  line.
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: R.R. Book on April 26, 2017, 02:07:39 PM
So the three bodies being Earth, Sun and Alcyon?
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: ilinda on April 26, 2017, 03:47:44 PM
There is this "Small Angle Formula" that is in Universe by Roger A. Friedman and William J. Kaufmann III, and it can be used to calculate some interesting things.
In it are D, d, alpha, and the constant 206,265.
D is the linear size of an astronomical object
alpha is the angular size of the object
d is the distance to the object
Here is where the 206,265 comes from.  First, we know that C=2PI*r  and thus  C/2 PI = radius (r)
We know that there are 3600 arcsec in 1 degree (60 arcsec/arcmin X 60 arcmin/degree) so it follows that
3600 arcsec/degree X 360 degrees/circle= 1,296,000 arcsec.  So a complete circle (circumference) has 1,296,000 arcsec.

Now, plugging 1,296,000 into our C/2PI=r  equation:   1,296,000/2PI=206,265.   
All of that was just to show where the 206,265 comes from!  I didn't do any thinking--I got this directly out of the book.


This small angle formula, D=(alpha X d)/206,265 can be used to determine D in the following example:
On November 28, 2000 Jupiter was 609 million km from Earth. Jupiter's angular diameter on that date was 48.6 arcsec.  Using the Small Angle Formula, we can calculate Jupiter's diameter as follows:
D=(48.6 X 609,000,000km)/206,265  which = 143,000 km.

Now if we have a different body, I think we can do the same thing.  But we can also calculate distance if we have the diameter, and I think we can do that in arcsec.  I'll review the book and see if I've forgotten anything.  See attachment.
Title: Re: Civilizations and Cataclysms!
Post by: MadMax on April 27, 2017, 02:27:49 AM
Unexplained Cosmic Mystery – Did Extraterrestrials Visit Us In The Year 774 A.D. Or Did Something Else Extraordinary Happen?

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Ellen Lloyd –  MessageToEagle.com – In the year 774 A.D, people witnessed something strange in the skies over Britain.

An old English text reveals a “red crucifix” was visible in the sky when Mercians were fighting men from Kent. At the time, people could only explain this extraordinary event as a sign of God.

What makes the incident very interesting is that modern scientists confirmed a mysterious spike in carbon-14 levels in that year’s growth rings in Japanese cedar trees.

The mystery deepens as there are no ancient astronomical records describing this very unusual event. So, we are dealing with a true cosmic mystery that scientists are still trying to solve. Did extraterrestrials visit us in the year 774 A.D.? Did our ancestors witness a previously unrecognized supernova explosion or was this peculiar event a result of extraordinary auroras or gigantic solar flares?

Unexplained Cosmic Phenomenon - Did Extraterrestrials Visit Us In The Year 774 A.D. ?

An extraordinary aurora should have been documented by ancient astronomers. Image credit: Daniel Hershman

It has been confirmed that between AD 774 and AD 775, our planet was hit by an extremely intense burst of high-energy radiation of unknown origin. What caused the radiation?
Trees Show Signs Of An Extreme Energy Burst That Hit Our Planet In 775 A.D.

In 2012, Japanese scientists from the University of Nagasaki conducted a study of samples taken from the stems of local cedars and that’s when they discovered something very strange.

They detected mysterious radiation burst when looking at the amounts of the radioactive isotope carbon-14 in tree rings that formed during the AD 775 growing season in the Northern Hemisphere.
Massive supernova


Is a massive supernova responsible for the mysterious ancient radiation burst? Image credit: NASA

The increase in 14C levels is so clear that the scientists, led by Fusa Miyake, a cosmic-ray physicist from Nagoya University in Japan, conclude that the atmospheric level of 14C must have jumped by 1.2% over the course of no longer than a year, about 20 times more than the normal rate of variation.

According to Daniel Baker, a space physicist at the University of Colorado’s Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics in Boulder, Colorado, some very energetic event occurred in about 775 AD. Cosmic rays normally account for the steady production of carbon-14 in our atmosphere.
A Red Crucifix Appeared In The Sky After Sunset

From the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle at the Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, we learn that something puzzling happened in 774 A.D.

    A.D. 774. This year the Northumbrians banished their king, Alred, from York at Easter-tide; and chose Ethelred, the son of Mull, for their lord, who reigned four winters. This year also appeared in the heavens a red crucifix, after sunset; the Mercians and the men of Kent fought at Otford; and wonderful serpents were seen in the land of the South-Saxons.

Interestingly, during the Saxon siege of Sigiburg Castle, in 775 A.D., Charlemagne, also known as Charles the Great (742 – 814) was said to have seen two shields red with flame wheeling over the church. This odd event clearly visible in the skies over the Church confused and frightened the Saxon who fled terrified back to their camps.


Charlemagne – Most Famous Emperor Of Education And Enemy Of Pagan Worshippers  – What Did He Really Mean For Europe?

What did Charlemagne, his army and the Saxons witness? In those days, the event was explained as a miracle, but can this puzzling incident be explained in more scientific terms?
What Did Ancient People Really See In The Sky In 774 A.D.?

Scientists cannot give a definite answer explaining what our ancestors witnessed in the sky all those years ago. What caused the increased radiation has not been determined, but there are of course theories.

One theory proposed by John Jeremiah, as far back as 1870 was that the event was an early description of the Northern Lights. Another possible explanation could be an ice-crystal display. According to Donald Olson, a physicist at Texas State University in San Marcosthe “red crucifix” could have been formed by sunset light illuminating high-altitude ice particles in both vertical and horizontal bands of light.
UFO Sightings Recorded In Ancient Times

UFO sightings recorded in ancient times or atmospheric phenomena?

A third option is that the event was a previously unrecognized supernova. A massive supernova, for example, should have been bright enough to produce a ‘new’ star visible even in the daytime, as was the case for two known supernovae in AD 1006 and AD 1054. Such an explosion would have needed to be brighter than either of these, Fusa Miyake says, because those events were not large enough to leave traces in the 14C record.

During the Carrington event, the biggest recorded solar storm in Earth’s history that occurred in 1859, skies all over the Earth were covered with green, red and purple auroras so extremely brilliant that their light could brighten any text in a newspaper or a book and make them readable as in daylight. Perhaps our ancestors witnessed a giant solar storm?

Those who believe in ancient extraterrestrial visitations have suggested ancient people witnessed Star Wars in the Middle Ages.

Whatever the truth may be, we must confess we do not know the nature of the “red crucifix” or the “two shields red with flame” witnessed by ancient people. What happened in the skies in the year 774 A.D. still remains an unsolved cosmic mystery, but most researchers think the sighting was caused by a supernova.

 Max.