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ilinda - SURVIVAL HEALTH => SURVIVALIST HEAL THYSELF => Topic started by: Yowbarb on July 15, 2017, 03:21:20 PM

Title: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on July 15, 2017, 03:21:20 PM
Hi All, I just came across this on Facebook. This is from a lady in Australia. Wanted to share it:
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"...Best thing to get to clear the lungs is fusion cough and lung tonic get it from health food store clear my lungs in two days."
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This page has reviews of the product: other info on page too...

https://www.fusionhealth.com.au/products/cough-lung-tonic   Fusion Cough Lung Tonic

How it works

In traditional Chinese medicine, the Lung organ-meridian system encompasses not just the lungs themselves but also the sinuses, throat, mouth and skin. Together, these tissues play a vital role in immunity by helping to disperse Defensive Qi (a specific form of vital energy or Qi that helps you fend off disease) throughout your body.

According to Chinese philosophy, it is natural for the Lung Qi to disperse in a descending direction. However, when you’re affected by an upper respiratory infection such as a cold, flu or bronchitis, your Lung Qi may accumulate and eventually move upwards instead of downwards, triggering a cough.

Fusion Health Cough Lung Tonic™ contains the Chinese herbs Pinellia, which has traditionally been used to promote the descent of Lung Qi and Balloon Flower, which aids its dispersion in the body.

Also present are a synergistic blend of Chinese and Western herbs that have traditionally been used to relieve both wet and dry coughs and promote the expulsion of mucus, including Aster, Licorice, Elecampane and White Horehound.

Always read the label. Use only as directed. If symptoms persist consult your healthcare practitioner.

[More on page]
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on July 15, 2017, 03:25:05 PM
Some people who have tried the Fusion cough and lung tonic have been able to go off some off their asthma or COPD meds.
I am going to try it...
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on July 15, 2017, 03:27:14 PM
Just a link with some info on Balloon Flower:

https://www.herbal-supplement-resource.com/balloon-flower.html
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: R.R. Book on July 15, 2017, 04:06:25 PM
Barb, Thanks for all the great info - I didn't know that platycodon was medicinally useful.  I've been wanting to grow this plant for a long time, and as it is a late summer flower, there's still time yet. :)
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on July 16, 2017, 10:36:57 AM
Barb, Thanks for all the great info - I didn't know that platycodon was medicinally useful.  I've been wanting to grow this plant for a long time, and as it is a late summer flower, there's still time yet. :)

R.R. I really admire that you do the growing and actually make the herbal decoctions.
Can you let me know if you feel this is a good reference:

https://theherbalacademy.com/herbal-decoction/

Post to us what is the best reference you have...
- Yowbarb  PS I posted another reference book here:  Topic, Healing plants, herbs and foods
« Reply #200 on: Today at 10:32:22 AM »
https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=384.new#new 

A highly-rated reference:
Medical Herbalism: The Science Principles and Practices Of Herbal Medicine Hardcover – October 24, 2003
by David Hoffmann
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on July 16, 2017, 10:48:44 AM
Barb, Thanks for all the great info - I didn't know that platycodon was medicinally useful.  I've been wanting to grow this plant for a long time, and as it is a late summer flower, there's still time yet. :)

I have seen this plant in people's front yards here in the south...
R.R. Best of luck in growing the lovely Platycodon grandiflorus.
:)
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https://www.herbal-supplement-resource.com/balloon-flower.html

"Balloon flower prefers nutrient-rich, moist, well-drained, sandy soil and needs a full sun. The plant is propagated by seeds in spring and by cuttings in summer. Plants grown from balloon flower seeds bloom first in their second year.' "The roots are harvested in the spring or autumn from two or three-year old plants. In Japan, the young leaves are eaten and used in salads and in Korea the roots with the outer bark removed, are used in soups, pickled, or preserved in syrup. The root has somewhat bitter taste. "

 :)

Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on July 16, 2017, 11:05:19 AM
Yowbarb Note: Pharyngitis is also a type of respiratory condition.
PLS see farther below in this post a reference for an ancient Japanese herbal treatment.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharyngitis

Pharyngitis is typically a type of respiratory tract infection. Most cases are caused by a viral infection. Strep throat is the cause in about 25% of children and 10% of adults. Uncommon causes include other bacteria such as gonorrhea, fungus, irritants such as smoke, allergies, and gastroesophageal reflux disease.
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One excerpt from this herbal page: ...
https://www.herbal-supplement-resource.com/balloon-flower.html

"Balloon flower is one of the eight herbs found in the Japanese folk remedy “Sho-saiko-to-ka-kikyo-sekko” that is used to treat pharyngitis or acute tonsillitis. This remedy is composed of few minerals and the herbs bupleurum (Bupleurum chinensis), pinellia (Pinellia ternata), baikal skullcap (Scutellaria baicalensi), jujube fruit (Ziziphus zizyphus), ginseng root (Panax Ginseng), licorice root (Glycyrrhiza glabra) and ginger rhizome (Zingiber officinale)."
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Getty Images: CG of Japanese Painting, Balloon Flower - Tokyo, Japan

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/illustration/of-japanese-painting-balloon-flower-royalty-free-illustration/111768441?esource=SEO_GIS_CDN_Redirect
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: R.R. Book on July 16, 2017, 01:29:40 PM
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Can you let me know if you feel this is a good reference:

Great stuff Barb! 

One thought on any published book on herbs: With the help of the Internet, we now have nearly instantaneous access to international clinical trial results, especially through the NIH website.  So we might want to check the publication date on any printed volume on herbal medicine, and then see what clinical trials have been completed and published for peer review in the meantime on whatever it is that we're looking up.  The allopathic medical community takes more interest in some herbs than others, and significant changes in the knowledge base about a particular herb's medicinal properties can occur in a short time.  For example, there can be newer clinical findings that reverse old findings, or shed new light on them, such as newer dosage recommendations, contraindications, and so forth.

That being said, when the power grid goes down and we no longer have an Internet, the printed volumes will be priceless.  Those who may be called upon to "practice medicine without a license," which could potentially be anyone who survives into the Aftertime, may at least want to stay abreast, while it's still possible, of newer findings on certain key herbs that they might expect to work with.  :)
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: ilinda on July 16, 2017, 03:33:01 PM
Barb, Thanks for all the great info - I didn't know that platycodon was medicinally useful.  I've been wanting to grow this plant for a long time, and as it is a late summer flower, there's still time yet. :)

R.R. I really admire that you do the growing and actually make the herbal decoctions.
Can you let me know if you feel this is a good reference:

https://theherbalacademy.com/herbal-decoction/
I read through several entries and it looks informative, as I do decoctions when using mullein for productive cough in respiratory infection, and this stuff works, however I always emphasize that mullein leaves must be decocted, rather than just made into a tea.  I boil them about 30 minutes before straining.

So, I'd agree that theherbalacademy.com/ is a good source of information.
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: ilinda on July 16, 2017, 03:37:19 PM
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Can you let me know if you feel this is a good reference:

Great stuff Barb! 

One thought on any published book on herbs: With the help of the Internet, we now have nearly instantaneous access to international clinical trial results, especially through the NIH website.  So we might want to check the publication date on any printed volume on herbal medicine, and then see what clinical trials have been completed and published for peer review in the meantime on whatever it is that we're looking up.  The allopathic medical community takes more interest in some herbs than others, and significant changes in the knowledge base about a particular herb's medicinal properties can occur in a short time.  For example, there can be newer clinical findings that reverse old findings, or shed new light on them, such as newer dosage recommendations, contraindications, and so forth.

That being said, when the power grid goes down and we no longer have an Internet, the printed volumes will be priceless.  Those who may be called upon to "practice medicine without a license," which could potentially be anyone who survives into the Aftertime, may at least want to stay abreast, while it's still possible, of newer findings on certain key herbs that they might expect to work with.  :)
Good points.  Those interested in herbal and other traditional heal(th) methods are probably subconsciously working toward that goal.  I have dried some foxglove leaves this year and have a good batch of milk thistle beginning to flower, hopefully for seeds.  A little bit at a time each week or so is all it takes to amass a nice stash of helpful items.
Title: Re: common healing herbs
Post by: R.R. Book on July 16, 2017, 04:26:49 PM
Ilinda, It sounds as if you'll be well equipped when the time comes! :)

Title: prevention
Post by: Socrates on July 16, 2017, 10:41:43 PM
Bought a WWII gas mask at the local flea market last Saturday for 10 bucks  :D
Title: Re: prevention
Post by: Yowbarb on July 17, 2017, 10:29:58 AM
Bought a WWII gas mask at the local flea market last Saturday for 10 bucks  :D

A good idea!
:)
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on July 17, 2017, 10:33:23 AM
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Can you let me know if you feel this is a good reference:

Great stuff Barb! 

One thought on any published book on herbs: With the help of the Internet, we now have nearly instantaneous access to international clinical trial results, especially through the NIH website.  So we might want to check the publication date on any printed volume on herbal medicine, and then see what clinical trials have been completed and published for peer review in the meantime on whatever it is that we're looking up.  The allopathic medical community takes more interest in some herbs than others, and significant changes in the knowledge base about a particular herb's medicinal properties can occur in a short time.  For example, there can be newer clinical findings that reverse old findings, or shed new light on them, such as newer dosage recommendations, contraindications, and so forth.

That being said, when the power grid goes down and we no longer have an Internet, the printed volumes will be priceless.  Those who may be called upon to "practice medicine without a license," which could potentially be anyone who survives into the Aftertime, may at least want to stay abreast, while it's still possible, of newer findings on certain key herbs that they might expect to work with.  :)

R.R. thanks so much for your feed back on this reference.
also, I agree, any printed out material, books, pamphlets will be priceless in the years to come.
Regardless of what happens and when, people need to start  gathering materials about herbology, medicine and all sorts of practical necessary actions for survival.
I'd say put them in waterproof sealed plastic, waterproof boxes.  Fire Resistant Document Pouches too.
Valuable documents, land deeds, contact info, identification, and all printed materials for survival.
Title: Re: prevention
Post by: ilinda on July 17, 2017, 02:40:49 PM
Bought a WWII gas mask at the local flea market last Saturday for 10 bucks  :D
Curious about the composition of the filtering material?  Does it look substantial?  Have you donned the mask and then opened and smelled a fresh bottle of chlorine bleach?  Ammonia?  Think of some other noxious substances which emit vapors and try them as well.  If you do anything like this, we'd love to hear a report.  Logic tells me you should not smell any of the things you are testing.  Think of Sarin gas.  If you "smell" it, you're probably dead soon.

Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on July 17, 2017, 02:52:15 PM
Yes, PLS be careful when testing the gas mask... 
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on July 17, 2017, 02:54:07 PM
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Can you let me know if you feel this is a good reference:

Great stuff Barb! 

One thought on any published book on herbs: With the help of the Internet, we now have nearly instantaneous access to international clinical trial results, especially through the NIH website.  So we might want to check the publication date on any printed volume on herbal medicine, and then see what clinical trials have been completed and published for peer review in the meantime on whatever it is that we're looking up.  The allopathic medical community takes more interest in some herbs than others, and significant changes in the knowledge base about a particular herb's medicinal properties can occur in a short time.  For example, there can be newer clinical findings that reverse old findings, or shed new light on them, such as newer dosage recommendations, contraindications, and so forth.

That being said, when the power grid goes down and we no longer have an Internet, the printed volumes will be priceless.  Those who may be called upon to "practice medicine without a license," which could potentially be anyone who survives into the Aftertime, may at least want to stay abreast, while it's still possible, of newer findings on certain key herbs that they might expect to work with.  :)
Good points.  Those interested in herbal and other traditional heal(th) methods are probably subconsciously working toward that goal.  I have dried some foxglove leaves this year and have a good batch of milk thistle beginning to flower, hopefully for seeds.  A little bit at a time each week or so is all it takes to amass a nice stash of helpful items.

It's good to get feedback on that reference.
[ https://theherbalacademy.com/herbal-decoction/   ]

So glad it seems useful...
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: R.R. Book on July 17, 2017, 03:57:05 PM
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A highly-rated reference:
Medical Herbalism: The Science Principles and Practices Of Herbal Medicine Hardcover – October 24, 2003
by David Hoffmann

Barb, I took an even closer look at this on Amazon, and it looks like a "must have" book!  I like learning the nitty-gritty about the chemical structure of herbs and why they work the way they do. 
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on March 21, 2019, 11:10:18 PM
R.R. sounds good.
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on December 14, 2019, 08:57:15 PM
A little progress report. Several months ago I went OFF the Lisinopril BP Med. Lisinopril worked great on my blood pressure but I used to cough my brains out.
My daughter mentioned to me that she used to cough like that (she does not have copd) and her doctor took her off the Lisinopril. It is a known side effect. this does not cause this side effect in all people but it did in my daughter and it did to me!
The point is, got a different BP med, not nearly as much coughing.

I still have copd (pulmonologist recently told me eosinophic copd) an inborn probably genetic condition. Nothing done yet to change the underlying conditions but two things I did  helped me finally get rid of the constant cough.

1) went off the Lisinopril BP med

2) I take Mucinex DM 12-hr tablet every 12 hours, with lots of water. It thins the mucus and helps me not cough. The DM part in the name is a mild cough suppressant.
If I don't have the 12-hour kind I use the regular 4 hour kind but always with the DM

These are not natural cures here just a couple things which are helping me. BTW my pulmonologist is a really good guy and he did suggest the Mucinex. I had already been on it but not taking very regularly. Once the doc mentioned I should take it, i've been setting reminders and taking more regularly.

Well i hope this helps someone,
Barb T.


 
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: ilinda on December 16, 2019, 09:46:59 AM
A little progress report. Several months ago I went OFF the Lisinopril BP Med. Lisinopril worked great on my blood pressure but I used to cough my brains out.
My daughter mentioned to me that she used to cough like that (she does not have copd) and her doctor took her off the Lisinopril. It is a known side effect. this does not cause this side effect in all people but it did in my daughter and it did to me!
The point is, got a different BP med, not nearly as much coughing.

I still have copd (pulmonologist recently told me eosinophic copd) an inborn probably genetic condition. Nothing done yet to change the underlying conditions but two things I did  helped me finally get rid of the constant cough.

1) went off the Lisinopril BP med

2) I take Mucinex DM 12-hr tablet every 12 hours, with lots of water. It thins the mucus and helps me not cough. The DM part in the name is a mild cough suppressant.
If I don't have the 12-hour kind I use the regular 4 hour kind but always with the DM

These are not natural cures here just a couple things which are helping me. BTW my pulmonologist is a really good guy and he did suggest the Mucinex. I had already been on it but not taking very regularly. Once the doc mentioned I should take it, i've been setting reminders and taking more regularly.

Well i hope this helps someone,
Barb T.
Very interesting about the lisinopril making you cough.  Do you think the main reason you have too much mucous is because the eosinophilic COPD means more mucous produced, and thus it has to be expelled?   Have you had allergy testing done?  Maybe you've talked about this before, but if you have an allergic reaction to something it might be causing the excess mucous production.  Gee, if you didn't have the mucous, maybe you wouldn't even have COPD?
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on December 18, 2019, 12:08:41 PM
A little progress report. Several months ago I went OFF the Lisinopril BP Med. Lisinopril worked great on my blood pressure but I used to cough my brains out.
My daughter mentioned to me that she used to cough like that (she does not have copd) and her doctor took her off the Lisinopril. It is a known side effect. this does not cause this side effect in all people but it did in my daughter and it did to me!
The point is, got a different BP med, not nearly as much coughing.

I still have copd (pulmonologist recently told me eosinophic copd) an inborn probably genetic condition. Nothing done yet to change the underlying conditions but two things I did  helped me finally get rid of the constant cough.

1) went off the Lisinopril BP med

2) I take Mucinex DM 12-hr tablet every 12 hours, with lots of water. It thins the mucus and helps me not cough. The DM part in the name is a mild cough suppressant.
If I don't have the 12-hour kind I use the regular 4 hour kind but always with the DM

These are not natural cures here just a couple things which are helping me. BTW my pulmonologist is a really good guy and he did suggest the Mucinex. I had already been on it but not taking very regularly. Once the doc mentioned I should take it, i've been setting reminders and taking more regularly.

Well i hope this helps someone,
Barb T.
Very interesting about the lisinopril making you cough.  Do you think the main reason you have too much mucous is because the eosinophilic COPD means more mucous produced, and thus it has to be expelled?   Have you had allergy testing done?  Maybe you've talked about this before, but if you have an allergic reaction to something it might be causing the excess mucous production.  Gee, if you didn't have the mucous, maybe you wouldn't even have COPD?

Well that is possible...
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on December 18, 2019, 02:26:50 PM
As I understand it, eosinophil asthma (or eosinophilic COPD which I got diagnosed this month)
the main underlying cause is the body's response to foreign bodies, irritations etc.
Having allergies and being exposed would not help either. 
Avoiding allergens, nutrition all that does help. Eosinophil asthma etc. is dangerous because it can hit, seemingly out of nowhere... Not always possible to predict what chemical, allergen etc. will cause an over stimulation of the immune system which is already overstimulated and hyperactive...
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: ilinda on December 19, 2019, 11:40:18 AM
As I understand it, eosinophil asthma (or eosinophilic COPD which I got diagnosed this month)
the main underlying cause is the body's response to foreign bodies, irritations etc.
Having allergies and being exposed would not help either. 
Avoiding allergens, nutrition all that does help. Eosinophil asthma etc. is dangerous because it can hit, seemingly out of nowhere... Not always possible to predict what chemical, allergen etc. will cause an over stimulation of the immune system which is already overstimulated and hyperactive...
I think we're saying the same thing, sort of.  What I was thinking is that the "foreign bodies" are the things you are reactiing to, and if you only knew which ones were the culprits, it might be possible to avoid them.  But it could be something as pervasive as a common pollen, etc.,which would be nearly impossible to avoid.  But I see it like this:  the "allergens" are the very thing that are foreign, and irritating.  Maybe in some they don't go so far as to cause asthma and COPD, but in others, they cause about every part of the respiratory system to react, as well as the eosinophils in the blood.  I guess it's complicated.
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on December 19, 2019, 01:30:01 PM
Well you are right avoiding allergens is always a good idea...
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on December 19, 2019, 01:33:26 PM
Well you are right ilinda, avoiding allergens is always a good idea...and I need to do a whole overhaul of my environment...

I don't claim to be an expert on the eosinophilc condition. I only heard about it watching a TV commercial for Fasenra... then I heard about eosinophilic asthma.
A test showed my eosinophils were out the roof... docv diagnosed me with eosin opil COPD.
I had told the pulmonologist I do not think smoking (decades ago) was the main cause of my problems, since I had problems suddenly getting sick, chest colds pneumonitis etc. as a child and no smoke around me at all.. no furry pets...pollen wasn't a situation either, Portland, OR, Santa Monica CA not known for being super high pollen we lived near the ocean...
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: ilinda on December 20, 2019, 05:08:34 PM
It might be very telling if you could vacation for a month somewhere far away from your area.  If you ever want to park your trailer for a month in that spot I told you about (where you cannot be seen from the road, and where you could have electric hookup, let me know.  It would be a good test.
Title: Re: Respiratory conditions - colds, flu, bronchitis, pleurisy, asthma, COPD, etc.
Post by: Yowbarb on December 20, 2019, 06:28:06 PM
It might be very telling if you could vacation for a month somewhere far away from your area.  If you ever want to park your trailer for a month in that spot I told you about (where you cannot be seen from the road, and where you could have electric hookup, let me know.  It would be a good test.

ilinda, sorry I don't remember that spot.
Sounds like a good idea... I don't currently have an RV or a trailer, but can you PM me the info?
Now that the weather is cold though it might not be an accurate test. Cold, dry air is the worst for me apparently...