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Title: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on February 04, 2019, 04:24:04 PM
Socrates suggest the topic for this thread:

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Based on that, i'd say a good cave constitutes safety [obviously stocked with enough food so you don't resort to cannibalism, also commonly mentioned in ancient accounts, as well as seeds, tools, good animals, etc. You get my drift].

I just created a “place holder” please feel free to contribute anything related here ..

Max.
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: Jimfarmer on February 04, 2019, 09:29:56 PM
I want my cave to have a strong, reinforced downward-sloping entrance and some flowing water inside.  No loose rocks or soil above the entrance, which is some distance above the valley floor.
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: ilinda on February 05, 2019, 05:51:41 AM
Those would be helpful features, plus a hidden entrance might be nice!
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on February 05, 2019, 03:00:48 PM
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I want my cave to have a strong, reinforced downward-sloping entrance and some flowing water inside.  No loose rocks or soil above the entrance, which is some distance above the valley floor.

Some good suggestions Jim, thanks for sharing ..

A couple good cave location resources:

List of caves in the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_caves_in_the_United_States

USA DEEPEST CAVES   Compiled by: Bob Gulden - Jan.07, 2019

http://www.caverbob.com/usadeep.htm


Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on February 05, 2019, 03:06:01 PM
I think that they have the right idea here ..

'Preppers' Are Preparing for Doomsday in This Kansas Salt Mine

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ezv3ka/hollywood-and-preppers-are-preparing-for-doomsday-in-this-kansas-salt-mine

A trip inside a vault buried 650 feet under the middle of the country,

If we're ever forced underground thanks to a nuclear winter, you could do worse than the salt mines of central Kansas.

Living 650 feet beneath a bunch of wheat fields, parking lots, and nothingness, you'd have plenty to do: It's here where every major Hollywood studio, from Disney to 20th Century Fox to Warner Brothers, has decided to store copies of nearly every single movie they've ever created. You'll find original copies of everything from A Goofy Movie to the Harry Potter series to Charlie Chaplin's old films. In fact, the cavernous, hollowed-out mines operated by a company called Underground Vaults and Storage actually is the doomsday plan for a handful of anonymous, paranoid preppers.

"I can't mention their names, but, as part of their agreement with us, there are probably a half dozen people who have apartments down there," Lee Spence, the company's president, told me when I visited earlier this month. "They have their own supplies, it is their backup plan in the case of a nuclear attack or something."

Hutchinson, Kansas, or, more specifically, the vast expanses of space underneath Hutchinson, has long been considered one of the safest places in the country. A massive prehistoric body of water called the Western Interior Sea dried up millions of years ago, leaving thousands of feet worth of rock salt behind, which has been exploited since the early 1900s by dozens of different salt companies, including Morton and the Hutchinson Salt Company.


Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: R.R. Book on February 05, 2019, 03:46:35 PM
The list of caves is a good resource.

However, if one is hoping to secure a safe location in the PA caves listed ahead of a cataclysmic event:

They are privately owned major tourist attractions with an entry fee or donation, tour guide accompaniment and a limited amount of time each day before the caves close to visitors and bus loads of school children...

And the tour guides are very anal about everyone being in his or her assigned place. 
Disappearing from the tour group to wander deep into the caves would likely be cause for a rescue crew by sunset, as well as making headlines both on the web and in the papers...

So probably little likelihood of stashing survival supplies in there, unless one knows the caves better than the owners do.

(https://mygatewaynews.com/Images/Images/37361.jpg)
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on February 07, 2019, 04:05:56 PM
Good new video from Ben ..Great set of links below the video!

Earth Catastrophe Cycle | Dig In!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB_LTCwNSH8

Episode 16 | Dig In ... or don't ... you might survive either way!

Resources Used [Thanks to John McGovern]
Title: THE PENULTIMATE SURVIVAL CONSIDERATION...
Post by: Socrates on February 08, 2019, 03:59:44 PM
Interesting video detailing many large cave systems 12,000 years on (or older) focusing on Europe and the Mediterranean) , which matches up quite closley when the Sun went Nova 12,000 years ago ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOHP92rX220

12,000 Year Old Underground Tunnels Discovered
Sorry, no offense, but this not interesting because it's about tunnels and caves that came after the previous cataclysm. The only interesting tunnels/caves are those that withstood it.
These exist. There are caves and cave systems that have been around millions of years.
Forget all the others. They cannot be trusted.


Cu= Copper. Why "Cu"? Because it stems from the name for the island of Cyprus where most copper millennia ago was found, extracted and distributed. Enough to start off the Bronze Age [bronze being 90% copper, 10% tin]. Why should you care? (And why do i mention it?)
It's a matter of common sense and big picture considerations; millennia ago people weren't technologically sophisticated enough to acquire copper out of copper compounds as we do today. And they didn't need to, for copper used to be common as native copper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_copper).
What's native copper and why is it relevant?

Native copper is found atop copper deposits. It's easily recognized, mined and applied. It would not last long...
I'm saying there is no way[!] the deposits of native copper on Cyprus millennia ago survived mankind hundreds of thousands of years [i.e. hundreds of times longer]. No way. Some group of humans or other would've depleted Cyprus of it's treasures long ago ...if they'd been there.
Where am i going with this?
[I know i'm getting there slowly, but i believe this is a fundamental argument, so if you'll credit me with just a few more minutes of your time...]

I'm arguing that the copper deposits on Cyprus must've been 'new'. Mainstream geologists, school teachers and the so-called scientific community would have us all believe that geological developments were evolutionary, not dramatic.
(https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.loFtIOoiu9L_IaXSapuRjgAAAA&pid=Api)
In this book it is (quite scholarly and extensively) argued [if not outright proven] that the Alps 'popped up' some 12 to 13,000 years ago. Before then they were 400 meter high hills whereas they are now 4000 meter [12,000 ft?] mountains. The book suggests this happened in a very short period of time.
These are not small geological changes we're talking about, i.e. the exact opposite of the evolutionary model we were all spoonfed as children.
So if the Alps could pop up seemingly out of nowhere, obviously the same could apply to Cyprus, which btw is a geological hotspot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Cyprus#Bedrock_geology).

Cyprus/copper changed Europe. The Bronze Age was no little matter.
Did you know that copper weapons were superior to iron ones [just that iron ones were cheaper and easier to mend]? Did you know that Europe traded brass for gold because the Indians in South America thought it was more beautiful?
Anyway, again, what's my point?

My point is that we should not underestimate the kind of geological upheavals that are coming our way. And this is directly related to the matter of caves.
If entire regions like the Alps can be pushed up miles and islands like Cyprus can bring up subterranean copper deposits hitherto unknown, then what kind of cave can withstand that kind of geological drama?
Simple: caves that have clearly withstood the test of time: caves that are millions of years old.
And, again simple, these are caves with stalagmites and stalactites in them. Why? Because these take that long to grow.
Elementary, dear Watson


One can dream about caves but in the end there are only a limited number of them that are interesting in this regard. These are the ones that should be sought out.
Now, there have been a number of valid considerations posed in this thread that apply. And, quite frankly, they would seem to demand considerable if not drastic action, like:
caves are usually privately owned, exploited and policed
I have 2 solutions to this problem:
- get a job working at the cave [gaining access]
- stash supplies [including livestock] near the cave [i.e. worked into bedrock]
The first gives one access that would allow one to stock up inside, the second gives one the option to bring in resources right before TSHTF, assuming that imminent global destruction is apparent.
(https://images.ecosia.org/QUNdJ8GNAjVVR6zXkuo6yeVLw6s=/0x390/smart/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.maroc-trip.com%2Fthemes%2Fimages_maroc%2Fctnxud6998000000_l.jpg)
Caves with "flowing water" sound nice but often mean periodic floods, like with the Morrocan Win Timdouine (http://www.maroc-trip.com/Visiter-Voyage/809-Agadir-Grotte_Win_Timdouine). In other words, danger of drowning.
On the other hand, in the case of Win Timdouine, we're talking many miles of cave, caves that have clearly stood the test of time; for one, one pic [of  the 5 on this website] shows stalagmites; two, researchers have actually found species that have been able to evolve at this particular site [i.e. exclusively, unique in nature]. This of course implies that life goes on in this (very long) cave.
Good thing about Win Timdouine: you won't be finding any anal policing of your activities here.

Win Timdouine [looking back at it, i'm really going to have to revisit considering it as an option...] is a prime example of what one might achieve if one has superior light tech (https://www.bioliteenergy.com/products/headlamp-330?variant=12623810953315) and was able to carry on deeper into the cave than others. I mean, if one went a few thousand feet farther than most ever go [excepting expeditions that happen maybe once a decade], one might stash all kinds of stuff there.


The PENULTIMATE penultimate survival consideration...
In Bryan Sykes' The Seven Daughters of Eve (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Daughters_of_Eve) it's explained that all of mankind's surviving genetic lines stem from 33 'mothers' in our history; the 7 in the title applies to 95% of people in Europe today.
Mitochondrian DNA research appears to prove that our species doesn't go back any further than about 250,000 years ago [i.e. in line with Anunnaki ideas and contrary to mainstream evolutionary ones] and that there must've been one point in our past when there were only 33 women alive. That's 5 for every continent, on average...
This scholarly purely scientific research [i.e. untainted by political or cultural preferences or agendas] shows us how quaint the 'limited cataclysm' approach to prepping is.
I mean, if it were easy to survive what's likely/potentially coming (again), more than 33 women worldwide would have. This means:
- any simple cave won't do
- bunkers won't do [What? Our ancestors didn't build bunkers?]
- anything above bedrock won't do
Yeah, and then let's not forget location and climate; i mean, don't expect to crawl out of your cave and out into Siberia and expect to survive...


Mountain ranges come and go; but some hang around a long time.
Caves come and go; but some hang around a long time.


One final argument: in Paul LaViolette's Earth Under Fire a strong argument is made that what we were all lead to believe about coal deposits is bs. LaViolette argues that organic matter washed away in monumental floods will likely have been deposited in certain locations and have started to degrade there, creating coal, i.e. contrary to the idea that these deposits are some coincidental product of millions of years of biomass accumulation.
It's just another reason to believe that whatever happened to create the Alps and Cyprus will also likely move around anything that is not bedrock. So, yeah, your cave entrance could get covered over by tons of debris.
Hey, take another look at Win Timdouine; that cave exit is situated on a near vertical wall of rock; now that isn't going to get covered up.
These are the kind of considerations i think are appropriate when looking at caves. In other words, look for:

- warm climates
- stalactites/stalagmites [indicating both age and water]
- cave systems, i.e. that have loads of air and water in them

Finally, let's not forget the Fremen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremen) adage: Any man who takes refuge in a cave with one exit deserves his fate...
[A Fremen response to the deaths of Duke Leto's soldiers seeking refuge in caves but getting buried alive by Harkonnen forces.]
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on February 09, 2019, 04:24:10 PM
Wow Socrates, thanks for all the good "info" thanks for posting!!
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on February 09, 2019, 04:30:14 PM
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Finally, let's not forget the Fremen adage: Any man who takes refuge in a cave with one exit deserves his fate...
[A Fremen response to the deaths of Duke Leto's soldiers seeking refuge in caves but getting buried alive by Harkonnen forces.]

As I recall the Guild Pilots (space navigators) were addicted to the “spice “ that is what allowed the Freemen to triumph in Dune, when they threatened (successfully) to destroy the spice production (which they controlled) and thus they won a great victory against overwhelming odds (good lesson for us today) ..
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on February 11, 2019, 03:34:37 PM
GREAT new video from Ben Davidson on preparing for what is to come:

Earth Catastrophe Cycle | System Schoch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_QQpntCulU

Quite an interesting part of an interview with D. Schouch were he shows (using the area around the Sphinx) conclusively what caused the global catastrophe 12,000 years ago..
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: ilinda on February 11, 2019, 05:24:38 PM
If I heard it correctly, he said that a magnetic pole reversal would usher in an ice age.  Did I heard correctly?
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on February 12, 2019, 03:30:33 PM
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If I heard it correctly, he said that a magnetic pole reversal would usher in an ice age.  Did I heard correctly?

Yes the sequence is

1. (Solar Micro-Nova/Solar Flash) ----> 2.(Pole_Shift)------> 3.(Ice Age)

The massive amount of scientific evidence points to it happening every ~12,000 years (like clockwork)..

Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: ilinda on February 12, 2019, 07:12:07 PM
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If I heard it correctly, he said that a magnetic pole reversal would usher in an ice age.  Did I heard correctly?

Yes the sequence is

1. (Solar Micro-Nova/Solar Flash) ----> 2.(Pole_Shift)------> 3.(Ice Age)

The massive amount of scientific evidence points to it happening every ~12,000 years (like clockwork)..
Does anyone think the ~12,000 years could represent half of the twenty-some thousand years of the cycle of precession which is ~26,000 years? 
Title: Re: 10.5 - 13,000 years
Post by: Socrates on February 12, 2019, 10:37:42 PM
In the first Red Ice Radio interview with Robert Felix, he says that the length of the cycle depends on point of view, that whether one is seeing things from an Earth-bound or galactic point of view makes a considerable difference in length.
Though precession is ~26,000 and 13,000 should be half of that, things might not be as simple as '1 + 1 = 2' in this regard.
So, yeah, maybe it's all just half, in the end, no matter that the numbers don't appear to add up at first glance. And then the rate of precession itself seems to be subject to change over time, adding even more variables to the math.
In the end maybe no one knows. Hell, maybe even the Anunnaki don't know exactly.

Also, The Milky Way actually consists of 2 galaxies that collided a long time ago, with solar systems and planes still effecting each other [Earth actually originally not belonging to The Milky Way]. Cycles within cycles within cycles...
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on March 18, 2019, 02:28:14 PM
Time to start heading underground I think (if we are going to survive what’s coming)..

US detects the second largest METEOR EXPLOSION in 30 years, and the biggest since the fireball over Chelyabinsk in Russia six years ago

http://strangesounds.org/2019/03/meteor-explosion-detection-usa-bering-sea.html

A huge fireball exploded in the Earth’s atmosphere in December, according to Nasa. The blast was the second largest of its kind in 30 years, and the biggest since the fireball over Chelyabinsk in Russia six years ago. But it went largely unnoticed until now because it blew up over the Bering Sea, off Russia’s Kamchatka Peninsula.

The space rock exploded with 10 times the energy released by the Hiroshima atomic bomb.

Lindley Johnson, planetary defence officer at Nasa, explained that a fireball this big is only expected about two or three times every 100 years.
So what did happen?

At about noon local time on 18 December, the asteroid barrelled through the atmosphere at a speed of 32km/s, on a steep trajectory of seven degrees.

Measuring several metres in size, the space rock exploded 25.6km above the Earth’s surface, with an impact energy of 173 kilotons.

That was 40% the energy release of Chelyabinsk, but it was over the Bering Sea so it didn’t have the same type of effect or show up in the news,” said Kelly Fast, near-Earth objects observations programme manager at Nasa.



Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: R.R. Book on April 11, 2019, 05:22:48 AM
(https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_17665_longest_caves_in_the_world_n.jpg)

https://www.statista.com/chart/17665/longest-caves-in-the-world/
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: R.R. Book on April 11, 2019, 05:25:45 AM
Question: I wonder whether the underground tunneling program in the U.S. may be tying-in to existing cave structures?
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on April 13, 2019, 06:17:41 PM
Great new video from Doug Vogt that goes into some detail about what needs to be done to survive the Pole Shift:

Series 4, Part 5B, Where to go and how to survive the Pole Shift and Ice Age

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtFwzbJ6rkk

Video series 4, Part 5B, covers where to go to survive the next Polar Reversal and Ice Age. It also covers the 50 years before the reversal, what happens during the reversal and the years after the geomagnetic reversal and Nova. This information will give you and your children the best chance of survival.

I present this information because I want some people to survive the polar reversal event This series of videos are takes from Chapter 8 in “God’s Day of Judgment, the Real Cause of Global Warming” “the theory of Multidimensional Reality” and “Creation of the Hebrew Alphabet.”
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies: Federal underground 3D search
Post by: R.R. Book on April 14, 2019, 03:02:59 PM
He vacillates about caves a bit, saying that they could collapse, but they do seem like the greatest potential protection against the extremes.  Am not aware of any caves around here where someone could just opt to go live there temporarily.

There are stories, however, about the earth opening up in spots to let people inside, and about denizens of inner earth surfacing to lead specific people back inside with them.

I was hoping that he'd explain more about ascension into 5d, which he mentioned briefly in part A, saying that it would be timed to occur with the collapse of the magnetic field.  We're told to seek the truth, which is what we truthers do all the day long whenever we're not busy working.
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: R.R. Book on April 15, 2019, 07:03:53 AM
DARPA has announced its plans to develop technology to survey and map all underground infrastructure, natural or man-made, whether publicly or privately owned.  Titled the "Subterranean Challenge," it sounds almost like an innocuous game.

And referring to the underground as the "subterranean domain" makes one wonder if there may be eminent domain plans in the works?  Or maybe that has already been accomplished by fiat through one of numerous executive orders of the past few decades?

The survey is being referred to as "ground-truth data," another odd turn of phrase, intimating a possible conflict with privacy concerns with the suggestion that privacy amounts to hiding something?

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DARPA is looking for innovative technologies to collect highly accurate and reproducible ground-truth data for subterranean environments, which would potentially disrupt and positively leverage the subterranean domain

One wonders whether this could even be extrapolated to include scrutiny of the contents of residential basements and root cellars?

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Today, the majority of the underground environments are uncharted or inadequately mapped, including human-made tunnels, underground infrastructure, and natural cave networks.

Might this remote visual access to property result in a violation of 4th Amendment rights of landholders and homeowners against unreasonable search and seizure below ground?

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“Building an accurate three-dimensional picture is a key enabler to rapidly and remotely exploring and searching subterranean spaces.”

Might there be an intent to use this equipment in lieu of search warrants or permission by land owners?

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Of interest are available technologies that offer high accuracy and high resolution, with the ability to provide precise and reproducible survey points without reliance on substantial infrastructure (such as access to global fixes underground).

In addition, the images produced will be manipulatable, meaning that they can be altered to suit any purpose?

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Additionally, relevant software should also allow for generated data products to be easily manipulated...

One wonders if the images could be manipulated to include non-existent contraband of some sort which might expose unwitting property owners to seizure of their land for an unstated purpose, or worse yet, incarceration?

Or expose sensitive information about the whereabouts of survival groups intending to weather an upcoming cataclysm?  Or the location of their various caches?

Of course, citizens may want to extend government the benefit of the doubt that only the best of intentions are involved, before considering any of the above...

https://www.gpsworld.com/darpa-seeks-tools-to-capture-underground-worlds-in-3d/

Referred by Marfoogle News:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUcCt4hdTg0 @ around 47:40

(https://www.gpsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Edgar-82-619-316-a.jpg)
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: ilinda on April 15, 2019, 10:02:18 AM
Anything that DARPA proposes is suspect, IMHO.  And any of the possible scenarios outlined above that will give "them" an unfair advantage over the individual, are probably on the table.

And don't worry, any Constitutional Amendment they can break, they probably will.  I do recall reading several bizarre Executive Orders from the Obama administration, that truly boggle the mind.  Not that he's the only president who has signed "give-away" E.O.'s, but I specifically remember reading one or two about how every single piece of real estate can be taken over by the feds, during this catastrophe, or that castatrophe, or whatever other social anomaly they deem worthy of a "taking". 

OTOH, it's a good thing to keep in mind that in a time during or after a major CME or similar phenomenon, all the technology to orchestrate certain acts on the surface of the planet may not work as planned.  LOL
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: R.R. Book on April 15, 2019, 10:10:33 AM
Agreed.  Definitely a silver lining there!  ::)
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: R.R. Book on April 15, 2019, 10:49:50 AM
Found this  8)

https://geomodel.com/methods/ground-penetrating-radar/

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The depth to which ground penetrating radar waves can reach beneath the ground surface is mainly dependent on two conditions: 1) the type of soil or rock in the GPR survey area, and 2) the frequency of the antenna used. GPR can reach depths of up to 100 feet (30 meters) in low conductivity materials such as dry sand or granite. Moist clays, shale, and other high conductivity materials, may attenuate or absorb GPR signals, greatly decreasing the depth of penetration to 3 feet (1 meter) or less.
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on April 15, 2019, 11:48:05 AM
Anyone interested in the secret history of underground tunnels will want to listen to the two interviews with William Tompkins available on the Rense website below..

All of the interviews with Tompkins there are VERY interesting ..

https://rense.com//Datapages/tompkinsdata.htm

12-23-15 .. Hour 1 & Hour 2 .. William Tompkins - Pt 2 - ETs, UFOs & The US Navy With Dr. Bob Wood, Maj George Filer & Frank Chille

Max.
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: R.R. Book on April 16, 2019, 06:38:55 AM
A few highlights from the interviews that Max linked:

*Tunnel boring machines are ET technology, not originally from the military. 

*Debris from the boring is converted into an unknown luminous substance like glass + elastic, which is used for sealing and lighting the tunnels

*The ET machines can bore @ 40 mph vs. our machines @ 1 mph

*Tunnels connect up with caverns as the boring is in progress

*The caverns are inhabited by ETs

*When the tunnel beneath the Pentagon was being excavated, it ran into a large cavern and two other tunnels already in existence, unknown at the time (which might have been among earliest official encounters with ET?)

*There are far more underground tunnels than people realize

Bottom line: Instead of finding a slice of Americana in one of these caverns reminiscent of when Tom Sawyer and Becky Thatcher got lost underground in hometown Missouri, SHTF survivalists might find something else?

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQNr0J5toc4OtPhRfYzMhI5KmKzr4f-JlRqxFsQv1Q8OIcMJLc)(http://s3.amazonaws.com/static2.postcrossing.com/postcard/medium/79fc9a1157092f7b353b06188f170870.jpg)
Will 21st Century Americans need to radically adjust their comprehension of their own culture and history such that Mark Twain's charming story of two innocents lost in subterranean Missouri is forever altered in our minds?  Maybe instead of satisfying ourselves with that simple tale, we should be aware that the children might have been in far greater danger than merely posed by an escaped criminal within the catacombs?  Perhaps it would have been closer to reality if other beings in the story had inhabited an underground chamber adjoining one of the passages in the Ozarks cavern, and might have been just around the corner from Tom and Becky, who would have been unaware of such a presence unless it had chosen to make itself known...
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on August 29, 2019, 03:41:10 PM
Hmmm wonder what this is all about ??

Why Is DARPA Asking The Public For An Underground Research Facility By Friday  ??? ::)

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-29/why-darpa-asking-public-underground-research-facility-Friday

The US Government's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) has asked the public to help them find an underground facility "able to host research & experimentation" by Friday.

"Attention, city dwellers! We're interested in identifying university-owned or commercially managed underground urban tunnels & facilities able to host research & experimentation," the agency tweeted on Wednesday.

"The ideal space would be a human-made underground environment spanning several city blocks w/ complex layout & multiple stories, including atriums, tunnels & stairwells. Spaces that are currently closed off from pedestrians or can be temporarily used for testing are of
interest."


    The ideal space would be a human-made underground environment spanning several city blocks w/ complex layout & multiple stories, including atriums, tunnels & stairwells. Spaces
    that are currently closed off from pedestrians or can be temporarily used for testing are of
    interest. pic.twitter.com/GkWKm2w2p9
    — DARPA (@DARPA) August 28, 2019

According to the Request for Information (RFI), "The subterraneanr n domain – whether human-made tunnels, urban underground infrastructure, oatural cave networks – is becoming increasingly relevant for global security and disaster-related search and rescue missions."


"DARPA is interested in understanding the state-of-the-art in innovative technologies that may enable future solutions to rapidly map, navigate, and search unknown complex subterranean environments to locate objects of interest."

As The Verge notes, the project is "likely related to the SubT Challenge, which is aimed at helping soldiers and first responders navigate these spaces more quickly. (DARPA is a military research agency, but while it often focuses on combat technologies, that’s not the sum of its work — it famously helped create the internet with ARPANET, for instance.).

    The agency ran one SubT experiment in April at the Edgar Experimental Mine in Colorado, then another at two mines in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania this month. But it’s noted that urban locations present their own challenges. -The Verge

The call by DARPA, which develops emerging technologies for use by the military, has people scratching their heads considering the agency's well-known close ties with public universities as well as companies such as SAIC, all of which have extensive facilities one would think might fit the bill.

    Anyone else curious why DARPA needs a huge underground facility by Friday? https://t.co/3pdeubwI8h
    — Michael Coudrey (@MichaelCoudrey) August 29, 2019

    what the f*ck are you planning
    — atomicthumbs (@atomicthumbs) August 28, 2019

The agency even had a sense of humor when one Twitter user asked if they're "looking for new places to keep all the Demogorgons," a reference to Netflix's Stranger Things.

    Please. Demogorgons are such a Department of Energy thing.
    — DARPA (@DARPA) August 28, 2019
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on September 13, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Time for everyone to get a map of the underground tunnels/caverns that are nearby … (time IS short)..

Here's the Real Reason DARPA Is Looking for 'Underground Urban Tunnels' for 'Research and Experimentation'

https://time.com/5664643/darpa-underground-tunnels/

When DARPA, an agency within the Defense Department that works on advanced technology for the military, asked Twitter users if they knew of any urban underground tunnels “able to host research & experimentation” on Wednesday, some people were a little freaked out — especially because the request was “short notice.” Some sent around memes from horror and sci-fi movies, like Us and Terminator. And when someone tweeted that DARPA probably wanted to hide demogorgons (the monsters from the Netflix series Stranger Things), the agency got in on the game, tweeting back, “Please. Demogorgons are such a Department of Energy thing.”

    Attention, city dwellers! We're interested in identifying university-owned or commercially managed underground urban tunnels & facilities able to host research & experimentation. https://t.co/tHZ1Tqy5nV

    It's short notice... We're asking for responses by Aug. 30 at 5:00 PM ET. pic.twitter.com/TSWO07bJam
    — DARPA (@DARPA) August 28, 2019

    The ideal space would be a human-made underground environment spanning several city blocks w/ complex layout & multiple stories, including atriums, tunnels & stairwells. Spaces
    that are currently closed off from pedestrians or can be temporarily used for testing are of
    interest. pic.twitter.com/GkWKm2w2p9

DARPA first made its request a week before sending the now-viral tweet. On August 20, DARPA released a formal “request for information” on “human-made underground environments that span several city blocks with complex layouts and multiple stories, including atriums, tunnels, and stairwells are ideal.”

Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: R.R. Book on November 01, 2019, 07:55:16 AM
Earlier in this thread, Max had provided a list of the deepest caves in the U.S.  The website that he linked also lists longest caves in the U.S.:
http://www.caverbob.com/state.htm

http://www.caverbob.com/usalong.htm

...as well as deepest caves in the world:

http://www.caverbob.com/wdeep.htm

...and longest caves in the world:

http://www.caverbob.com/wlong.htm

The website warns us not to request their exact locations...

(http://caverbob.com/images/Bob_Gulden.jpg)
Caver Bob himself

It occurs to me that, not only might the caves be privately or federally owned, but they might also be claimed by various non-human intelligent life forms which may have been here longer than we have been...
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: R.R. Book on November 01, 2019, 08:15:32 AM
A thought just occurred to me:

What if there is another unstated underlying reason for the terrorist hunt that occurred in caves overseas?  Perhaps to map, explore and confiscate for the benefit of someone else as the cataclysmic cycle gains momentum?
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: MadMax on December 30, 2019, 03:58:15 PM
GREAT article by Ben (yesterday) on preparing for what’s about to take place (including “Physiological Prepping).. That might make a good topic for a thread..  ;D

Safe Zones | Disaster Series Follow-Up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oKafyk7MQA&list=PLHSoxioQtwZfY2ISsNBzJ-aOZ3APVS8br&index=41&t=0s
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: R.R. Book on December 30, 2019, 05:01:13 PM
He made a really good point that any inundation should move west to east, so that people should plan to be on the east side of a mountain range if possible.
Title: Re: Underground / Cave Survival Strategies
Post by: ilinda on December 30, 2019, 06:48:53 PM
Excellent point, as many of us hadn't given it much thought.