Planet X Town Hall

ilinda, Jimfarmer - THE PLANET X SYSTEM => PLANET X ASTRONOMY => StarViewer Team Research => Topic started by: Yowbarb on August 12, 2010, 06:56:02 PM

Title: La conversación acerca de StarViewer
Post by: Yowbarb on August 12, 2010, 06:56:02 PM
En Espanol.
 ;D - Barbara 

Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on August 12, 2010, 08:38:28 PM
Buenas noches a todos!

Pido disculpas por escrito en espa
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Post by: Yowbarb on August 17, 2010, 12:03:48 AM
En Espanol. O Portugues.
  - Barbara
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Post by: Lori on August 17, 2010, 04:32:11 AM
Heres un enlace thats habla del descubrimiento. Lo siento chicos de su en Ingl
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Post by: Yowbarb on August 17, 2010, 05:23:22 AM
Mil Gracias a Lori!

- Yowbarbarita 
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Post by: Lori on August 17, 2010, 05:52:52 AM
Este escritor es en realidad contra la teor
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 19, 2010, 06:48:11 AM
Please excuse my interuption here …. But I have come across some thing …………. Comentario por Carmen (Feli) el diciembre 31, 2009 a las 1:26pm
Pues yo no sé nada de astrología,

pero hay imagenes del planeta X en internet, y entonces, si tiene una orbita tan grande, es lo que le hace tardar tanto en volver a aparecer, ¿no? en este dibujo, la flecha negra parece indicar que ahora se va a mover hacia arriba y que cada vez se va a aprosimar mas al sol y la tierra, pero entonces, ¿cuál será el motivo de que a veces se vé junto al sol algo raro, y otras veces no? Alomejor el hecho de que el planeta X, también da vueltas sobre si mismo como una peonza; igual también afecta algo, ademas de que se dice que está acompañado de varios asteroides o pedruscos gigantes. Normal que así sea; pues si tiene gravedad; tiene que traer enganchado con el; también otras cosas o lunas pequeñas. Alomejor son ellas las que de vez en cuando se ven junto al sol; al dar vueltas alrededor del planeta X, quien sabe!

PLANETA X? PLANETA INCÓGNITA? no se ponen de acuerdo aún? negarlo todo por negarlo?
http://www.ondacero.es/OndaCero/programa/La-rosa-d (http://www.ondacero.es/OndaCero/programa/La-rosa-d) la primera mitad de la segunda hora, se habla sobre el Plante X, pero al final, a qué conclusión llegan?
Iniciada por chispita estelar 11 Ene.
Comentario por Rafael López-Guerrero el diciembre 20, 2009 a las 10:10pm
Os adjunto un power point con la simulación del cruce y la Enana Marrón. Es una hoja de trabajo. La estamos revisando.

Vamos a trabajar en órbitas, etc...
Un saludo.OortscenaryX4082009.pps


OortscenaryX4082009.pps  ¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 19, 2010, 09:29:05 AM
Se muestra el sistema del Enano, y su relación con nuestro sistema cada vez .. de que llegue hasta 2012 ... y me parece que para mostrar venir entre Júpiter y Saturno?
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Post by: Yowbarb on August 19, 2010, 10:05:41 AM
Amy que he enviado usted un mensaje privado. Importante.
Mil Gracias,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 21, 2010, 03:31:29 PM
Boris y yo tengo la misma pregunta molesta ... y queremos ponerlo también a todos ustedes aquí ... SVT fue descuidado, y nos dio un gráfico que muestra la órbita proyectada de lo que denominan PX ... este camino proyectado es extreamly cerca de la una Marshall / Barb / Jacco hecho. 1) tenemos este gráfico 2) Tenemos la presentación MSPP ... que cuenta con 8 diapositivas mostrando la estrella enana con 6 lunas orbitando ... diapositivas az representa un período de tiempo diferente ... por lo que sabemos de ella que han trazado las órbitas correctamente, y en la diapositiva 8 vemos en la flecha hacia arriba mostrando que pasa entre Júpiter y Saturno ... todos conmigo aquí? El pensamiento molesta es ... el gráfico no indica PX con sus seis lunas, y tener la luna más externa de pasar entre Júpiter y Saturno ... que muestra toda la maldita cosa va entre Júpiter y Saturno. Ahora a mi siguiente punto ... el fragmento que tengo de que tiene el enlace al Ministerio de Salud les ha hablando de trabajo sobre "Las órbitas" ... la presentación ya tiene el Órbitas "para el 6 lunas, por lo que esto supone que iban a trabajar en" Las órbitas "de los 9 planetas y luego se superponen a los 2 Boris y yo llegamos a la conclusión, y espero que estemos equivocados. .. que están proyectando el Enano para pasar entre Júpiter y Saturno y es 6 órbitas lunas (No tenemos datos sobre cómo las órbitas son de ancho) se intercecting / cruzar las órbitas de los planetas como se balancea a través de nuestro sistema.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 22, 2010, 10:04:21 AM
Aquí está el gráfico que muestra PX balanceándose hacia arriba entre Júpiter y Saturno
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Post by: Amy Evans on August 22, 2010, 10:06:22 AM
This is the first slide
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Post by: Amy Evans on August 22, 2010, 10:15:51 AM
El archivo adjunto no se pudo guardar. Esto puede ocurrir porque se tardó demasiado en cargar o el archivo es más grande que el servidor lo permita.  Usted necesita MS Power Point para ver la primera diapositiva
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Post by: Amy Evans on August 22, 2010, 11:39:28 AM
Here are all 8 slides
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Post by: Ed Douglas on August 23, 2010, 02:39:03 PM
Yes, thank you again, Amy. I have been, and am still examining most of the papers from Starviewerteam. I should come out with my findings, shortly. I want to be sure, before I make a fool of myself. To say they are not scientifically sound, would be to say that NASA is not scientifically sound. Most of the work is shared. I gotta look at this information some more...  ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 24, 2010, 09:29:45 AM
Okie dokie, I'm gonna get into this, slowly. First, I'd like to make sure that everyone is aware, that if the sun has a binary twin, the closer to the sun it gets, the less gravitational pull the sun has on it's own planets and their moons. So, If a large object comes thru our solar system, it can pull planets out of their orbits, steal moons from planets, or maybe even steal a planet. One thing for sure, it effects the whole solar system, including the sun and it's own magnetism. Electronmagnetically it scrambles the solar system too. Keep these little pieces of info, in mind.   ed
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Post by: Ed Douglas on August 24, 2010, 09:41:02 AM
According to StarViewerTeam (SVT), and actually admitted by NASA,(they hid it well), we have an object coming to pay us another visit. The object was confirmed by the combination of many astronomical methods. The object was originally found by IRAS, and Dr. Harrington. Nobody was sure what this object was. Chandra, a radio telescope of Harvard, helped clarify the picture, by giving it's own signature to the object, with the assistance of the Australians, who filtered the heat emiisions of the object, which was difficult, due to the object being in the most difficult position to see, the hottest part of the Milky Way. So, by combining several methods, radio, UV, infrared, and RGB filtering, they put a pretty accurate picture of this object, and a couple of satellites in orbit around it. This object is Gl 1.9  +0.3.   NASA told us that it is an old exploding star.   ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 24, 2010, 09:41:36 AM
Dokie Okie, voy a entrar en esto, poco a poco. En primer lugar, me gustaría asegurarse de que todo el mundo sabe, que si el sol tiene un doble binario, el más cercano al sol se pone, el tirón gravitacional de menos el sol tiene en su propios planetas y sus lunas. Así pues, si un objeto grande viene a través de nuestro sistema solar, se puede tirar de planetas fuera de sus órbitas, robar las lunas de los planetas, o tal vez incluso robar un planeta. Una cosa es segura, afecta a todo el sistema solar, incluyendo el sol y es propio magnetismo. Electronmagnetically que codifica el sistema solar también. Mantenga estos pequeños trozos de información, en la mente. ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 24, 2010, 09:43:33 AM
Según StarViewerTeam (SVT), y de hecho admitido por la NASA, (lo escondió bien), tenemos un objeto que nos llegan otra visita. El objeto fue confirmada por la combinación de muchos métodos astronómicos. El objeto fue encontrado originalmente por IRAS, y el Dr. Harrington. Nadie estaba seguro de lo que este objeto fue. Chandra, un telescopio de radio de Harvard, ayudó a aclarar la imagen, dándole la propia firma con el objeto, con la asistencia de los australianos, que filtra la emiisions calor del objeto, que era difícil, debido al objeto de estar en el más posición difícil de ver, la parte más caliente de la Vía Láctea. Así, mediante la combinación de varios métodos, radio, UV, infrarrojo y filtrado RGB, que poner una imagen bastante exacta de este objeto, y un par de satélites en órbita alrededor de él. Este objeto es Gl 1.9 0.3. La NASA nos dijo que se trata de una vieja estrella en explosión. ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 24, 2010, 09:53:31 AM
Now, the main ingredient of the make up of this object is Methane. At this point, I will interject the fact that our outer planets atmospheres are turning to methane. This is due to the object's influence. This object, has satellites/planets/moons, orbitting at a distance of as much as 15 to 20AU. 1AU= Distance from sun to earth. Jupiter is about 5.2AU from the sun. so, if this object is within 25AU of our sun, it's moon could come as close to earth as Jupiter or closer. To give an idea, Uranus is 19.2AU from the sun. That is how far the moon is from GL 1.9  +0.3. Starting to see the big picture?  ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 24, 2010, 10:00:38 AM
Ahora, el principal ingrediente de la composición de este objeto es el metano. En este punto, voy a interponer el hecho de que nuestros ambientes planetas exteriores están recurriendo a metano. Esto es debido a la influencia del objeto. Este objeto, tiene satélites / planetas / lunas orbitan a una distancia de hasta 15 a 20AU. 1AU = Distancia del sol a la tierra. Júpiter está a punto 5.2AU del sol. así, si este objeto está dentro de 25AU de nuestro sol, es luna podría acercarse a la tierra como Júpiter o más cerca. Para dar una idea, Urano es 19.2AU del sol. Eso es hasta qué punto la luna es de 1.9 GL 0.3. Empieza a ver el panorama? ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 24, 2010, 10:22:18 AM
Well, Marshall & team called it pretty close with their where is PX now video & slides ... what happens next Ed?
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Post by: Ed Douglas on August 24, 2010, 12:34:52 PM
Where was I? Had a doctor appointment. Oh yeah, the satellites of this object can come within the Jupiter orbit. Their study indicates that this can explain planetary collisions with Earth, Mars, and even Venus. It is believed that Pluto was once a moon of Neptune or Uranus.
This 'object' is getting a little too much credit, though. We are trying to blame the climate changes on the object, when in reality, they are coming from the added 'energy' coming from the Galactic Plane. As we near the Plane, it will get worse. And, to top it off, the thinning of the Ionosphere is due to the output of nearby 'Pulsars'. These guys have their "stuff" together.    ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 24, 2010, 12:48:48 PM
The Russian Astronomers are putting their 2 cents in, also. While they agree with SVT, they are also worried about being struck, or electrically interracting with a 'comet' coming from the Oort Cloud. They are on the bandwagon too, and want NASA to come clean. In the 8 pics showing positions of the "red dot", you can get an idea of distances being used. These distances do not include the extra distances added with the planets/moons, as far as I can tell. 
Now,for the real news; In the sketch made of the combination of all the scientific data, the way it looks to me, they are saying that as of  January 2010, the 'object is 11AU away. Under us. The speed of the orb can fluctuate more as it nears the sun, but I like to try to average things out, and give worst case scenario. My average speed that I use in my calculations is .5AU/month. I don't think it will vary too much, due to inertia, unless it speeds up. A possible electrical interraction might slow it down a little. Who knows?  But, do the math.  One other thing; I believe in the "close enough" rule. It won't need to be crossing the solar system plane, to be inflicting it's effects. It can be "Close Enough".     ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 24, 2010, 12:56:29 PM
It would appear that SVT, Russia, Scientists from the USA that have worked at NASA, and other countries are all calling for NASA to come clean. I can understand to an extent that they don't want to create a public panic, basically shutting down everything on this Planet. But, at the same time, I believe that folks should be warned with ample time to prepare. Not my decision to make, thank God. Perhaps it is happening as it should, as folks around the planet become 'aware' and migrate to sources of information, such as this forum. This concludes my findings and understandings, which can be incorrect.      Mr. Masters, I hope I didn't go too far with this for your liking. If so, please delete these posts, it won't hurt my feelings in any way. thanks   ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 24, 2010, 01:25:07 PM
¿Dónde estaba yo? Tuvo una cita con el médico. Oh sí, los satélites de este objeto puede entrar en la órbita de Júpiter. Su estudio indica que esto puede explicar las colisiones planetarias con la Tierra, Marte y Venus, incluso. Se cree que Plutón era una vez una luna de Neptuno o Urano. Este "objeto" es cada vez un poco demasiado crédito, sin embargo. Estamos tratando de culpar a los cambios climáticos en el objeto, cuando en realidad, que viene desde el añadido "energía" proveniente del plano galáctico. Al acercarnos al avión, se pondrá peor. Y, para colmo, el adelgazamiento de la ionosfera se debe a la salida de cerca de la 'púlsares. Estos chicos tienen sus "cosas" juntos. ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 24, 2010, 01:26:13 PM
Los astrónomos de Rusia están poniendo sus 2 centavos en también. Si bien están de acuerdo con SVT, que también están preocupados por los golpes, o eléctricamente interracting con un 'cometa' procedentes de la Nube de Oort. Ellos están en el carro también, y quiero dejar en claro la NASA. En los 8 fotos de las posiciones del "punto rojo", puede tener una idea de las distancias se utiliza. Estas distancias no incluyen las distancias adicionales agregados con los planetas / lunas, en la medida que puedo decir. Ahora, por la verdadera noticia; En el boceto hecho de la combinación de todos los datos científicos, la forma en que mira a mí, que dicen que a partir de enero de 2010, el "objeto es 11AU de distancia. Bajo nosotros. La velocidad del orbe puede fluctuar más a medida que se acerca al sol, pero me gusta intentar cosas promediar, y dan peor de los casos. Mi velocidad media que uso en mis cálculos es .5AU/month. Yo no creo que vaya a variar demasiado, debido a la inercia, a menos que se acelera. Un interraction eléctrico interno podría frenar un poco. ¿Quién sabe? Pero, hacer los cálculos. Otra cosa, creo en el "lo suficientemente cerca" regla. No será necesario cruzar el plano del sistema solar, que se inflige sus efectos. Puede ser "lo suficientemente cerca". ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 24, 2010, 01:27:15 PM
Al parecer, SVT, Rusia, los científicos de los EE.UU. que han trabajado en la NASA, y otros países están pidiendo a la NASA a confesar. Puedo entender hasta un punto que no quieren crear un pánico de la población, básicamente el cierre de todo en este planeta. Pero, al mismo tiempo, creo que la gente debe ser advertido con tiempo suficiente para prepararse. No es mi decisión de hacer, gracias a Dios. Tal vez está ocurriendo como debería, ya que gente de todo el planeta se hacen 'conscientes' y migran a las fuentes de información, como este foro. Esto concluye mis hallazgos e interpretaciones, que puede ser incorrecta. Sr. Maestros, espero no ir demasiado lejos con esto por su gusto. Si es así, por favor eliminar estos mensajes, no herir mis sentimientos de ninguna manera. gracias ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 24, 2010, 01:45:59 PM
Al parecer, SVT, Rusia, los científicos de los EE.UU. que han trabajado en la NASA, y otros países están pidiendo a la NASA a confesar. Puedo entender hasta un punto que no quieren crear un pánico de la población, básicamente el cierre de todo en este planeta. Pero, al mismo tiempo, creo que la gente debe ser advertido con tiempo suficiente para prepararse. No es mi decisión de hacer, gracias a Dios. Tal vez está ocurriendo como debería, ya que gente de todo el planeta se hacen 'conscientes' y migran a las fuentes de información, como este foro. Esto concluye mis hallazgos e interpretaciones, que puede ser incorrecta. Sr. Maestros, espero no ir demasiado lejos con esto por su gusto. Si es así, por favor eliminar estos mensajes, no herir mis sentimientos de ninguna manera. gracias
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 24, 2010, 01:55:23 PM
Thanks Ed

Is there any more ... maybe an idea of a possible ETA for our friend?
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 24, 2010, 02:10:30 PM
My only comment on " when " Is That "X" Does not Have to be crossing the Solar System plane, to Have Effects mass on earth . It is effecting us now . What will it be like, this time next year ? It isn't named "The Destroyer " , for no good reason . If you Are not prepared, get prepared. ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Jimfarmer on August 24, 2010, 02:33:21 PM
Hi Ed,
Lot's of good work, thanks.

I will pick a couple of nits, though.

You said "si el sol tiene un doble binario, el más cercano al sol se pone, el tirón gravitacional de menos el sol tiene en su propios planetas y sus lunas."  (The English version didn't come up to me this time.)  The Sun and its' binary twin rotate around a common center of mass, at least in regards to gravitational attraction.  The orbits might be somewhat elliptical, instead of circular, but the dark twin does not orbit the Sun like the Sun's own planets do.  The Zetas have said that the distance between the Sun and its' dark twin is constant.  There is much info on this topic on the Internet.  For example, at www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/ (http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/)

The presence of the dark twin or PX does not decrease the gravitational force of attraction between the Sun and any of its planets, asteroids, comets, etc.  What happens is that the force felt by each body in a cluster of bodies is the vector sum of the gravitational forces of attraction between it and each of the other bodies in the cluster.  So, any intruder body will affect the net force felt by each of the others, and then your conclusion that "se puede tirar de planetas fuera de sus órbitas, robar las lunas de los planetas, o tal vez incluso robar un planeta" is correct.


The Zetas claim that G1.9 is a hoax.
https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,889.msg9130.html#msg9130 (https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,889.msg9130.html#msg9130)
I don't know, myself, whether it is or not.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 24, 2010, 06:29:47 PM
Jim, good explanation. As we are aware, nothing in the Universe is without motion, or static. When you look at two objects orbiting in a binary situation, if you study the 'relative' positions of each, it is difficult to determine which object is orbiting the other. I don't know if I agree about the gravity not changing. As a body with gravity nears another object, the gravity itself might not change, but the effect it has on each other is increased, and if there is a planet nearby, if the gravity didn't change, an object couldn't 'steal' a moon or planet. It's gravity effect has to be more than the other object. If the objects are the same size, for instance, the gravitational effect on other bodies is inversely proportional to distance. If the objects are of different size, then to overcome the larger bodies gravitational effect, the smaller body must either have more mass(which is really what we're talking about), which we said isn't right, so it must pass much nearer the other object for it's gravity to pull away the other. Duh, I think I said that, how I meant it.  Long day. thanks pal,  ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 24, 2010, 06:42:14 PM
I would like to thank Amy, for all the fantastic work, gathering papers, clips, and any evidence she could find. The info she found is a very large part of the conclusions I put across. Heck, she probably knows way more about this stuff than I do, and just wanted to let me take a bow. Anyway, thank you, Amy.    ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 24, 2010, 08:29:56 PM
Me gustaría dar las gracias a Amy, por todo el trabajo fantástico, documentos de reunión, clips, y cualquier evidencia que pudiera encontrar. La información que encontramos es una parte muy importante de las conclusiones que transmitir. Heck, probablemente de manera más sabe de estas cosas que yo, y sólo quería que me dejara hacer una reverencia. De todos modos, gracias, Amy. ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Jimfarmer on August 25, 2010, 09:17:45 AM
Ed: you said "I don't know if I agree about the gravity not changing. As a body with gravity nears another object, the gravity itself might not change, but the effect it has on each other is increased ...".  I see what you mean now.  As an intruder goes thru a cluster of bodies, its' gravity pulls all the others, and the others' gravity pulls it, so all positions and trajectories are effected.  Then, since the relative positions of the bodies in the cluster have changed, those pairs that are now closer experience increased attraction, and those pairs that are now further apart experience decreased attraction, again causing more changes in positions and trajectories.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 25, 2010, 09:33:15 AM
Jim, that sounds more like what I was trying to say. Yes, the gravity of any object can only be changed by a couple of events, such as mass increase, but the gravitational 'effect' it has on other objects increases as distance decreases. This also doesn't take into account the electromagnetic interraction of the bodies. Magnetically, they can attract or deflect each other, adding, or subtracting with the gravtational effect. I do not underestimate this interraction. Our solar system is an electrically balanced system of objects, and might be easily disturbed by outer influences.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 25, 2010, 12:22:38 PM
As far as I would think, yes we could have lost a moon. We might not have been the only planet to lose moons. For a gravitational field to be strong enough versus the earth's, to take a moon from earth, then you can bet there was mass destruction on the planet.
As far as the 'trumpeting' sound; I have heard about this phenomena before. Noise doesn't travel in space, as there is one hydrogen molecule per cubic yard of space. It would have to be generated by something in the atmosphere enough, to carry sound. It could be a magnetic, electric, or even multi-dimensional effect. It is spoken of, in the Bible, in Revelations, about trumpets sounding. Truthfully, it is one item I don't want to discover.   ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: 53gil on August 25, 2010, 07:50:35 PM
Ed, Amy, Jim
Just what is the red dot in the slides again? I must have over looked what was said about it. Also in the last slide if you move the solar system over you will see a second red. That would be what?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 25, 2010, 08:03:20 PM
The object is G1.9 +0.3 . In the last slide, if you'll notice , There are 2 white 2 red dots and arrows . They are the same items, just Both are Shown to be more specific about location. Notice the white arrow points to 2nd Between Jupiter and Saturn . I am sleepy . Good nite . ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on August 26, 2010, 10:14:07 AM
I would like to thank Amy, for all the fantastic work, gathering papers, clips, and any evidence she could find. The info she found is a very large part of the conclusions I put across. Heck, she probably knows way more about this stuff than I do, and just wanted to let me take a bow. Anyway, thank you, Amy.    ed

Thank you Amy! Also thank you Ed,
Now going to be reading through all of it...
All The Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on August 26, 2010, 01:01:52 PM
Hi everyone,

been away due to some personal turmoil (although a positive one) which has not ended yet. I missed the best part of it all, digging for the truth on G1.9.

In the meantime the layout of PlaneXTownHall changed a little and some text was "guillotined". But nothing important was lost as I can see.

From Amy's and Ed's findings what I can say, besides telling them that they did a heck of a wonderful job, I do not know where and if I can add anything. I will try to catch up, though and come back to you guys.

Carluccio
PS>: did not know any more if I had to write in spanish or english....

Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Lori on August 26, 2010, 01:12:13 PM
Carl welcome back.  Hope all is good.  ;D
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 26, 2010, 01:17:35 PM
Ed has noted a problem with the speed of the dwarf at one stage ... he is checking it
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on August 26, 2010, 02:10:43 PM
Ed has noted a problem with the speed of the dwarf at one stage ... he is checking it

Hello Amy,

I understand that the dwarf is performing an almost circular orbit around the Sun (very low eccentricity), and that is located (at least by SVT) at approximately 50-60UA from the Sun. It has a number (not yet confirmed) of planets and the farthest one is the one set up to play havoc among us. Is this farthest planet the one that Ed is performing speed calculations ? Or have you discovered a comet (would it be Russell?) that has been kicked off / changed orbit from inner Oort towards us ?

Sorry for these basic  questions. I am trying to catch up with you guys as fast as I can....

BR,

Carlos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 26, 2010, 02:24:13 PM
Not really ... the dwarf has 6 satellites, and on the MSPP work, they kept highliting the outermost satellite on all 8 slides ... the problem seems to be with a speed JUMP between 2 slides ... the problem is, as I see it, is 1) we have never encounted anything like this before, and therefore have no real knowledge of what to expect ... 2) we do not have the date telling where each slide is representated at what point on the graph showing the projected path of the dwarf ... if the speed increase was during its inbound track towards our Sun, or on its outbound track away from our Sun ... the speed jump could be explained by its slingshot effect as it rounded the Sun.  Just wish I had found mor information for us to work from :(
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 26, 2010, 03:51:25 PM
Marshall also touched on maybe this same point in the "Where is Planet-X Now" Yowusa video ... and we have not even examined the Kozai aspect http://www.contour2002.org/article/kozai-mechanism-planet-x-nibiru-perturbative-celestail-mechanics-kozai-kozai-resonance-ten-plagues-of-egypt (http://www.contour2002.org/article/kozai-mechanism-planet-x-nibiru-perturbative-celestail-mechanics-kozai-kozai-resonance-ten-plagues-of-egypt) for the speed jump
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 26, 2010, 04:57:09 PM
No realmente ... el enano tiene 6 satélites, y en el trabajo MSPP, mantuvieron highliting el satélite más externo en todas las 8 diapositivas ... el problema parece estar con una velocidad de salto entre dos diapositivas ... el problema es, como yo lo veo, es 1) nunca hemos encounted algo como esto antes, y por lo tanto no tienen conocimiento real de lo que cabe esperar ... 2) no tenemos la fecha diciendo que cada diapositiva se representated en qué punto de la gráfica que muestra la trayectoria proyectada de la enana ... si el aumento de velocidad fue durante su trayectoria de entrada hacia nuestro Sol, o en su pista de salida fuera de nuestro sol ... el salto de velocidad podría explicarse por su efecto tirachinas, ya que la vuelta a la dom Sólo deseo que había encontrado la información mor de que trabajemos de  :(
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 26, 2010, 04:57:48 PM
Marshall también se refirió a lo mejor este mismo punto en la sección "¿Dónde está el Planeta X-ahora" Yowusa de vídeo ... y ni siquiera hemos examinado el aspecto http://www.contour2002.org/article/kozai-mechanism-planet-x-nibiru-perturbative-celestail-mechanics-kozai-kozai-resonance-ten-plagues-of-egypt (http://www.contour2002.org/article/kozai-mechanism-planet-x-nibiru-perturbative-celestail-mechanics-kozai-kozai-resonance-ten-plagues-of-egypt) Kozai para la velocidad de salto
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 26, 2010, 08:33:10 PM
I willl quickly put this out here for all to assist.  In the one 'drawing', it speaks of the fact that as of January 2010, the 'object(planet x, or G1.9', is 11AU from crossing the solar system plane.   In the 8 slides, presented by SVT, one can conclude that the diameter of the red dot orbit, be it planet x, or G1.9, is about 80AU across.  {105AU minus 25AU}    One slide shows the position on June 2010, another shows it on June 2011. They are about 180 degrees apart. Assuming a circular orbit(elliptical doesn't change things much), the distance traveled in one year would be about 125AU. This would equal a speed of over 10AU per month. The distance from our sun, to Saturn is about 9.5AU. That is a lot of space to travel in one month. Although I am aware, that there are objects in space, traveling many times the speed of light, this object isn't one of them.    The 11AU distance, traveling at about .5AU per month, would put the object here about Nov/Dec 2012.  This speed is not extraordinary. It is well within any parameters I would expect. However, 10AU per month is not.  Thus, perhaps I am not understanding something correctly, or am not see the slides correctly.  I am open to any and all assistance/ideas.   thanks,  ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 26, 2010, 09:04:15 PM
Yo willl rápidamente puso esto aquí para que todos puedan asistir. En un 'dibujo', habla del hecho de que a partir de enero de 2010, el "objeto (planeta x, o G1.9, es 11AU desde el cruce del plano del sistema solar. En los 8 diapositivas, presentado por SVT, un se puede concluir que el diámetro de la órbita de punto rojo, ya sea planeta x, o G1.9, está a punto 80AU de ancho. () 105AU menos 25AU Una diapositiva muestra la posición en junio de 2010, otro que muestra en junio de 2011. Son alrededor de 180 grados de separación. Suponiendo una órbita circular (elíptica no cambia mucho las cosas), la distancia recorrida en un año sería de unos 125AU. Esto equivaldría a una velocidad de más de 10AU por mes. La distancia de nuestro sol, a Saturno está a punto 9.5AU. Eso es un montón de espacio para viajar en un mes. Aunque soy consciente de que hay objetos en el espacio, viajando muchas veces la velocidad de la luz, este objeto no es uno de ellos. La distancia 11AU, viajando alrededor de 0,5 UA por mes, pondría el objeto aquí de noviembre / diciembre 2012. Esta velocidad no es extraordinario. Es bien dentro de unos parámetros que yo esperaría. Sin embargo, 10AU al mes no lo es. Por lo tanto, tal vez no estoy entender algo correctamente, o no soy ver las diapositivas correctamente. Estoy abierto a cualquier y toda la ayuda e ideas. gracias, ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 26, 2010, 09:29:47 PM
My opinion ... it could have just been a mistake, a mislabling .. we have 8 slides, why not find the average speed of all 8, and we should have a good idea of what that slides speed ... or it could have been done intentionally ... which does not fit with all of the other works they did ... this StarviewerTeam prides itself (At least on their site :D) for honest and well thought-out works.  The only other idea is to contact them directly.  This will tip them off to what we do not know, and could cut off contact, but on the other hand, it just might push them into helping us.  I have made friends, at least on the site with the main person Rafael Lopez-Guerrero, Carman (Feli) and Guillermo Paulucci ... but they have not replyed to me ... these 3 are seen the most, and work on the Advanced Exoastrofísica  team.  The MSPP work file was from Rafael

Mi opinión ... podría haber sido simplemente un error, un .. mislabling disponemos de 8 diapositivas, ¿por qué no encontrar la velocidad media de las 8, y deberíamos tener una buena idea de lo que la velocidad de diapositivas ... o podría haber sido hecho intencionalmente ... que no se ajusta a todas las otras obras que hicieron ... este StarviewerTeam se enorgullece (al menos en su sitio: D) trabaja para honesto y bien pensado. La idea única es contactar con ellos directamente. Este truco les fuera lo que no sabemos, y podría reducir el contacto, pero por el contrario, sólo podría empujarlos a ayudarnos. Tengo muchos amigos, por lo menos en el sitio con los principales persona Rafael López-Guerrero, Carman (Feli) y Guillermo Paulucci ... pero no han replyed a mí ... estos 3 se ven más, y el trabajo en el equipo de avanzada Exoastrofísica. El fichero de trabajo MSPP era de Rafael
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on August 26, 2010, 09:44:49 PM
I willl quickly put this out here for all to assist.  In the one 'drawing', it speaks of the fact that as of January 2010, the 'object(planet x, or G1.9', is 11AU from crossing the solar system plane.   In the 8 slides, presented by SVT, one can conclude that the diameter of the red dot orbit, be it planet x, or G1.9, is about 80AU across.  {105AU minus 25AU}    One slide shows the position on June 2010, another shows it on June 2011. They are about 180 degrees apart. Assuming a circular orbit(elliptical doesn't change things much), the distance traveled in one year would be about 125AU. This would equal a speed of over 10AU per month. The distance from our sun, to Saturn is about 9.5AU. That is a lot of space to travel in one month. Although I am aware, that there are objects in space, traveling many times the speed of light, this object isn't one of them.    The 11AU distance, traveling at about .5AU per month, would put the object here about Nov/Dec 2012.  This speed is not extraordinary. It is well within any parameters I would expect. However, 10AU per month is not.  Thus, perhaps I am not understanding something correctly, or am not see the slides correctly.  I am open to any and all assistance/ideas.   thanks,  ed

Hello Ed,

I agree with your calculations. Just to make it clear you took the 80AU diameter across, multiplied by constant PI and divided the result by 2 (only half the circunference). I do not see any other different conclusion from the slides. Pretty simple straightforward.

I also agree that 10AU/month is a heck of a speed and it seems that something is quite unexpected here.

By Kepler's third law the square of an object orbit period is proportional to the cube of its half-length major axis. All planets around the Sun (including Earth) do obbey this law.

P2 proportional to SMA3

Comparing to Earth  PEarth2 / SMAEarth3  =  PObject2 / SMAObject3

If you apply the above to our G1.9 / Planet X case, it yields:

1 year 2 / 1 AU 3 = 2 years 2 / 40 AU 3    and this is not true / correct

If you leave the period of this object as incognita the above equation will be held true if its period equals 253 years (!!!).

Conclusion: there must be something quite wrong with the slides AND the dates.

A good night to us all and may another day shine some light on this.

Carlos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on August 26, 2010, 10:12:26 PM
Yo willl rápidamente puso esto aquí para que todos puedan asistir. En un 'dibujo', habla del hecho de que a partir de enero de 2010, el "objeto (planeta x, o G1.9, es 11AU desde el cruce del plano del sistema solar. En los 8 diapositivas, presentado por SVT, un se puede concluir que el diámetro de la órbita de punto rojo, ya sea planeta x, o G1.9, está a punto 80AU de ancho. () 105AU menos 25AU Una diapositiva muestra la posición en junio de 2010, otro que muestra en junio de 2011. Son alrededor de 180 grados de separación. Suponiendo una órbita circular (elíptica no cambia mucho las cosas), la distancia recorrida en un año sería de unos 125AU. Esto equivaldría a una velocidad de más de 10AU por mes. La distancia de nuestro sol, a Saturno está a punto 9.5AU. Eso es un montón de espacio para viajar en un mes. Aunque soy consciente de que hay objetos en el espacio, viajando muchas veces la velocidad de la luz, este objeto no es uno de ellos. La distancia 11AU, viajando alrededor de 0,5 UA por mes, pondría el objeto aquí de noviembre / diciembre 2012. Esta velocidad no es extraordinario. Es bien dentro de unos parámetros que yo esperaría. Sin embargo, 10AU al mes no lo es. Por lo tanto, tal vez no estoy entender algo correctamente, o no soy ver las diapositivas correctamente. Estoy abierto a cualquier y toda la ayuda e ideas. gracias, ed

Hola Ed,

Estoy de acuerdo con sus cálculos. Sólo para dejar claro que tomó el diámetro 80AU de ancho, multiplicado por la constante PI y divide el resultado por 2 (sólo la mitad de la circunferencia). No veo ninguna otra conclusión diferente de los "slides". Muy simple y directa.

También estoy de acuerdo que 10AU/month es una velocidad muy alta y parece que algo muy inesperado aquí está a ocurrir.

Por la tercera ley de Kepler el cuadrado de un periodo de órbita de un objecto es proporcional al cubo de la longitud de su eje medio. Todos los planetas alrededor del Sol (incluida la Tierra) obedecen esta ley.

P2 es proporcional a SMA3

En comparación con la Tierra PEarth2 / SMAEarth3 = PObject2 / SMAObject3

Si se aplica lo anterior a nuestro G1.9 / Planeta caso X, se obtiene:

1 año 2 / 1 UA 3=  2 años 2 / 40 UA 3 y esto no es cierto o corregir

Si deja el período de este objeto como incognita la ecuación anterior se llevará a cabo cierto, que su duración es igual a 253 años (!!!).

Conclusión: que debe haber algo muy equivocado con los "slides" y las fechas.

Buenas noches para todos

Carlos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on August 27, 2010, 07:26:19 AM
Marshall also touched on maybe this same point in the "Where is Planet-X Now" Yowusa video ... and we have not even examined the Kozai aspect http://www.contour2002.org/article/kozai-mechanism-planet-x-nibiru-perturbative-celestail-mechanics-kozai-kozai-resonance-ten-plagues-of-egypt (http://www.contour2002.org/article/kozai-mechanism-planet-x-nibiru-perturbative-celestail-mechanics-kozai-kozai-resonance-ten-plagues-of-egypt) for the speed jump

Amy, true, there could be more to it - the reasons behind the numbers that they posted.
There is another effect of speed, I messaged Ed and Marshall about it.  They may already know about it. Looking for name of it in old emails. If an object is of a high enough porosity and enough sunlight hits it, it will veer off its projected path and drastically speed up. This was being applied to try and predict NEOS, comets and asteroids, as they veered closer to earth. I learned of this around the time the Japanese craft Hayabusa landed a measurement device on the asteroid Itokawa. Among other things they were measuring temperature amount of sunlight and the pososity of Itokawa. Looking for that name. Whether or not this could possibly have any effect on the path the starviewers predicted, and the speed, I do not know but it could have been a factor in their calculations. Either it is completer bunk or they just aren't explaining their numbers, and why the increase in speed.  Since 2004 or earlier astronomers have known of this ___ Effect.
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on August 27, 2010, 07:32:26 AM

Yo todavía busco causas que el planeta podría acelerar. Concuerdo que Ed y Carlos son probablemente correctos.
- Barbara


I am still looking for causes the planet could speed up. I do agree that Ed and Carlos are probably right.

- Barbara
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 27, 2010, 11:31:42 AM
YowBarb,
I sent you a PDF from another source that has other information that just might help here ... Ed received one also ... I do not know how to contact Carlos

YowBarb, Yo os he enviado un PDF a partir de otra fuente que tiene otra información que podría servir para aquí ... Ed recibió un también ... No sé cómo ponerse en contacto Carlos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 27, 2010, 12:28:50 PM
Barb, it's the "Kozai" effect.
Amy, I have read 46 of the 97 pages, so far. Most of what I have read to this point, I am familiar with. When my eyes uncross, I will read the other 51 pages.  So far, I have an analogy. The 'wave' and Nemesis, together, with the magnetic output of Gaia, is like hitting a grand slam , compared to a solo home run. It basically would allow the sun to connect to earth electrically and magnetically, with hot plasma. This phenomena is harmful to your health.   I'll see what I get in the next 51 pages.  ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on August 27, 2010, 12:48:07 PM
Barb, it's the "Kozai" effect.
Amy, I have read 46 of the 97 pages, so far. Most of what I have read to this point, I am familiar with. When my eyes uncross, I will read the other 51 pages.  So far, I have an analogy. The 'wave' and Nemesis, together, with the magnetic output of Gaia, is like hitting a grand slam , compared to a solo home run. It basically would allow the sun to connect to earth electrically and magnetically, with hot plasma. This phenomena is harmful to your health.   I'll see what I get in the next 51 pages.  ed

Ed I agree and I am trying to find the name of the other one, differerent name. ...
the slingshot described by Marshall is part of it, depending upon which part of its journey its at...

Going to read all your posts, and Amy's pdf.
Take it easy,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on August 27, 2010, 12:51:35 PM
YowBarb,
I sent you a PDF from another source that has other information that just might help here ... Ed received one also ... I do not know how to contact Carlos

YowBarb, Yo os he enviado un PDF a partir de otra fuente que tiene otra información que podría servir para aquí ... Ed recibió un también ... No sé cómo ponerse en contacto Carlos

Mil Gracias a Amy,
Yowbarb
Sending PM
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 27, 2010, 12:55:41 PM
Barb, es el "Kozai efecto". Amy, he leído 46 de las 97 páginas, hasta ahora. La mayor parte de lo que he leído hasta este punto, estoy familiarizado. Cuando mis ojos están cruzados, voy a leer las otras 51 páginas. Hasta el momento, tengo una analogía. La 'ola' y Némesis, juntos, con la salida magnética de Gaia, es como golpear un grand slam, en comparación con un jonrón solitario. Básicamente, permitiría que el sol para la conexión a tierra eléctrica y magnética, con plasma caliente. Este fenómeno es perjudicial para su salud. Veré lo que puedo conseguir en los próximos 51 páginas. ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 27, 2010, 12:57:05 PM
Ed estoy de acuerdo y yo estoy tratando de encontrar el nombre de la otra, el nombre differerent. ... La honda descrito por Marshall es parte de ella, dependiendo de qué parte de su viaje a su ... va a leer todos sus mensajes, y Amy pdf. Tómelo con calma, Yowbarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 27, 2010, 01:10:22 PM
Yowbarb,
Carlos has one now ... thanks

Yowbarb, Carlos tiene un ahora ... gracias
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on August 27, 2010, 03:42:08 PM
Yowbarb,
Carlos has one now ... thanks

Yowbarb, Carlos tiene un ahora ... gracias

Yeap,

Already started. I am currently on page 10.
I am travelling to Sao Paulo this weekend. Hard weather there. Too dry. Fires all over the countryside. Weird, very weird weather on the whole planet.
Be reading the text in the meantime.
Thanks Amy !
Have you all a nice weekend !

Carlos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 27, 2010, 04:14:14 PM
Carlos,
Ed saw and confirmed that the tilt angle of the Earth is at 19.5 degrees, instead of the normal 23.5 ... that and this energy thingy might be changing the planets weather

Carlos, Ed vio y confirmó que el ángulo de inclinación de la Tierra es de 19,5 grados, en vez de la normal de 23,5 ... y esta energía que cosita podría estar cambiando el clima de los planetas
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 28, 2010, 11:59:59 AM
Yowbarb,

Boris has asked if he can join in these discussions ... he also lives in são paulo ... fixed phone number 3999-0660 and/or 23095639
ba.astros@gmail.com ... available also by skype, yahoo messenger and email tudo bem  I sent all of this to your e-mail

Amy

Yowbarb, Boris ha preguntado si puede participar en estas discusiones ... que también vive en Sao Paulo ... número de teléfono fijo 3999-0660 y / o ba.astros 23095639 @ gmail.com ... disponible también por skype, yahoo messenger y correo electrónico tudo bem envié todo esto a su e-mail Amy
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 28, 2010, 12:13:55 PM
He agrees with Carlos: yes, plenty of fires all over the country in fact, some places more, são paulo state is one of those.

Está de acuerdo con Carlos: Sí, muchos de los incendios en todo el país, de hecho, algunos lugares más, estado de São Paulo es uno de esos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on August 29, 2010, 07:10:16 AM
Yowbarb,

Boris has asked if he can join in these discussions ... he also lives in são paulo ... fixed phone number 3999-0660 and/or 23095639
ba.astros@gmail.com ... available also by skype, yahoo messenger and email tudo bem  I sent all of this to your e-mail

Amy

Yowbarb, Boris ha preguntado si puede participar en estas discusiones ... que también vive en Sao Paulo ... número de teléfono fijo 3999-0660 y / o ba.astros 23095639 @ gmail.com ... disponible también por skype, yahoo messenger y correo electrónico tudo bem envié todo esto a su e-mail Amy

Amy,
mil gracias,
Barbara
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 29, 2010, 02:47:06 PM
Boris has made contact with Carlos, and he has joined TownHall as well.

Boris ha puesto en contacto con Carlos, y él se ha unido Ayuntamiento, así
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on August 30, 2010, 08:22:23 AM
Boris has made contact with Carlos, and he has joined TownHall as well.

Boris ha puesto en contacto con Carlos, y él se ha unido Ayuntamiento, así

Amy, oh good!
Que bueno,
Barbara
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on August 30, 2010, 08:23:00 AM
Joe Montanna, I sent to you a PM just now.
Thanks, Barbara
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 30, 2010, 08:37:50 AM
This sort of outlines everything I looked at, trying to validate, or invalidate the SVT and the pressure they are applying to NASA to disclose. Their (SVT) methods are sound, their conclusions are well explained,Except the 8 slides, and they have other scientists from other countries that are also backing them. The only objection that needs clarification to me, is the speed of the 'object' in the 8 slides. The speed, for the most part, is consistent, at about 10AU per month. It shows no apparent effects from other, larger sources, as to effecting it's speed. I question the object traveling that fast. I am not disputing the possibility, I just haven't seen any objects traveling thru our system, of planetary size that travel at that speed range. As we noticed thru exploration, many, if not most, of the scientific papers used by SVT, are/were used by NASA, for both to come to their conclusions. The big problem is that NASA hasn't made a full confession and disclosure of what they truly know. I do suspect that there is more than this 'object' giving cause for concern, and disclosing one, would disclose the other. We shall see.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 30, 2010, 09:54:05 AM
Este tipo de esquemas todo lo que miraba, tratando de validar o invalidar la SVT y la presión que están aplicando a la NASA a revelar. Su (SVT) los métodos son sólidos, sus conclusiones son bien explicado, salvo los 8 diapositivas, y tienen otros científicos de otros países que son también los de respaldo. La única objeción que precisa aclaración para mí, es la velocidad del "objeto" en el 8 diapositivas. La velocidad, en su mayor parte, es coherente, a unos 10AU por mes. No muestra efectos aparentes de otros, mayores recursos, en cuanto a efectuar su velocidad. Pongo en duda el objeto que viaja tan rápido. No estoy discutiendo la posibilidad, yo no he visto ningún objeto viajando a través de nuestro sistema, de tamaño planetario que viajan en ese rango de velocidad. Como hemos notado a través de la exploración, muchos, si no, la mayoría, de los documentos usados por SVT, son o han sido utilizados por la NASA, tanto para llegar a sus conclusiones. El gran problema es que la NASA no ha hecho una confesión completa y la revelación de lo que realmente saben. Yo sospecho que hay más de este "objeto" que es motivo de preocupación, y la revelación de uno, no divulgan las otras. Ya lo veremos.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 30, 2010, 10:03:56 AM
Ed,
OK ... we can not explain the speed without further information ... what can be done next?  Ask Marshall to contact SVT directly?  One of us contact SVT?  Work with what we have, and except our limitations?  I do not think NASA will givein and tell the public for some time, if ever ... so that leaves only SVT.
Amy

Ed, ¿está bien ... no podemos explicar la velocidad sin más información ... lo que se puede hacer a continuación? Pregunte Marshall ponerse en contacto con SVT directamente? Uno de SVT en contacto con nosotros? Trabajar con lo que tenemos, y salvo nuestras limitaciones? No creo que la NASA givein y decirle al público durante algún tiempo, si alguna vez ... lo que deja sólo SVT. Amy
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 30, 2010, 11:31:57 AM
Amy, basically, contact has been attempted. Other than that, about all we can do is wait for more research, or discovery papers to be published.  I have one small thing I will look at, but don't get your hopes up.  ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 30, 2010, 11:39:38 AM
Sounds like a plan ... just have to wait until we hear from Yowbarb or Marshall then
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on August 30, 2010, 12:42:50 PM
Sounds like a plan ... just have to wait until we hear from Yowbarb or Marshall then

Hello Ed and Amy, thanks for all you are doing to try to reach a conclusion on the Starviewer Team discovery.

I am following this discussion today too, while I am going over the materials again. The outline of the article is in progress.

Yes it really would be helpful to have some contact with SVT. I know this hasn't happened yet. The article will come out, with or without their direct output. All we can do is outline what has been published and our take on it, as presented by Ed. 

There seems to be enough validity in the Starviewer Team's discovery to warrant bringing it all front and center, to the public...
SVT if you are reading this: Anything else to add?

Amy this is from SDL free translation. Please feel free to change the translation if need be.
All The Best,
Yowbarb

Hola Ed y Amy, gracias por todo hace para tratar de alcanzar una conclusión en el descubrimiento del Equipo de Starviewer.

Sigo esta discusión hoy también, mientras repaso los materiales otra vez. El resumen del artículo está en el progreso.

Sí sería realmente útil tener algún contacto con SVT. Sé que esto no ha sucedido todavía. El artículo saldrá, con o sin su salida directa. Todo podemos hacer es resumen lo que ha sido publicado y nuestro lo toma, como presentado por Educación.

Allí parezca ser suficiente validez en el descubrimiento del Equipo de Starviewer de justificar traerlo todo frente y central, al público... SVT si lee esto: ¿Otra cosa para agregar?

Todo El Mejor,
Yowbarb   
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: noproblemo2 on August 30, 2010, 12:55:37 PM
Ed, Amy and Barb, Thank you for all the hard work you are doing on this, it is VERY appreciated.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on August 30, 2010, 01:07:52 PM
Ed, Amy and Barb, Thank you for all the hard work you are doing on this, it is VERY appreciated.

Noproblemo2 thanks for your imput here, I wil try to do this right... Ed has reached conclusions. More in next post.
All The Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on August 30, 2010, 01:08:55 PM
Hello this is my latest message from Ed,
Yowbarb
 
« Sent to: Yowbarb on: Today at 02:51:17 pm »
Barb, the object, G1.9  +0.3, was examined with several different methods and spectrums, using infrared, ultraviolet, xray, and radio wave.  The object was there and more defined, by adding the spectrums information together. The fact that G1.9  +0.3 is there, and at least 2 satellites with it, is proven to me, until we invent another method in science that is better. It's position, contrary to our solar system plane, is consistent with logical proof. The discovery of methane being the main ingredient would be consistent with temperature ranges expected for a dwarf star. SVT has provided a sound logic, proving the existence of this object, and what it is. It is not what NASA declared, a supernova, as the size expansion is too quick to be a nova. SVT has shown, using the knowledge available, that their process of examination is logical. I must agree with their findings, on the whole.  ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on August 30, 2010, 05:15:02 PM
Carlos,
Ed saw and confirmed that the tilt angle of the Earth is at 19.5 degrees, instead of the normal 23.5 ... that and this energy thingy might be changing the planets weather

Carlos, Ed vio y confirmó que el ángulo de inclinación de la Tierra es de 19,5 grados, en vez de la normal de 23,5 ... y esta energía que cosita podría estar cambiando el clima de los planetas

Hi Amy,

This is simply too much important.... Does Ed think that this happened in a short time ? Or gradually in months / years ??

Earth would tilt due to very strong external magnetic influence. Another possibility is earth core movement. But I would bet in the first possibility. Then, what is the magnetic source ?

Astounding finding....

BR,

Carlos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on August 30, 2010, 05:21:14 PM
Boris has made contact with Carlos, and he has joined TownHall as well.

Boris ha puesto en contacto con Carlos, y él se ha unido Ayuntamiento, así

Amy,

Boris and I missed each other by very little. I attended Amit Goswami "The Quantum Activist" presentation, which Boris was also intending to attend. Boris confused the dates. We could have met by pure chance.

I will be back in Sao Paulo on Sep, 12th and we have already agreed to meet then. There will be also many possibilities to meet in Rio de Janeiro in the future.

We talked over the phone and it was a very, very good conversation.

Thank you very much for putting us in contact.

BR,

Carlos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 30, 2010, 06:22:39 PM
Carlos ... you are more than welcome my friend ... Boris has been with me in the group since I started, and I never knew how much that man really knows ... as soon as he heard you were from almost the same area, he was bouncing off the walls to be in contact with you lol ... he uses yahell IM ... maybe if you use the same, you can chatt faster?  Yowbarb ... thanks for the suggestion of SDL ... downloaded and was ready to try it, and then it is down for repair  lol

Carlos ... usted es más que bienvenida a mi amigo ... Boris ha estado conmigo en el grupo desde que empecé, y yo nunca sabía lo mucho que el hombre sabe ... tan pronto como supo que eran de casi la misma zona, fue rebotando en las paredes para estar en contacto con usted ... lol él usa yahell MI ... tal vez si se utiliza el mismo, puede chatt más rápido? Yowbarb ... gracias por la sugerencia de SDL ... descargado y estaba dispuesto a intentarlo, y luego está cerrado por reparaciones lol
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 30, 2010, 07:01:15 PM
Susan, You are also more than welcome ... I wish I could have stumbled over/onto this information sooner or had been able to talk SVT into working with us ... something of this magitude should not, while understandable, should not be kept from the people ... they have the right to be told, and to be able to prepare before it gets here ...

Susan, también eres más que bienvenido.. Quisiera haber tropezado en / a esta información antes o había podido hablar svt a trabajar con nosotros.. Algo de este magitude no debería, mientras comprensible, no se debe a la gente.. Tienen el derecho a ser informados, y para poder preparar antes de que llegue aquí.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on August 31, 2010, 07:37:23 AM
Carlos, I am very, very glad you and Boris are in contact...
All The Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on August 31, 2010, 09:14:04 AM
I am over and out for the day. I have been working on the article. I may come here to see any new posts with information.
If anyone wants to send me more ideas or info please sent me a PM or those who have my email,
I will check it.
All The best,
Adiosito,
Barbara
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 31, 2010, 10:09:32 AM
Good to see you into this, Carluccio. The axis shift will take some assumptions to show how it works.  It is assumed that G1.9  +0.3 is at least 1.9mj, or basically twice the mass of Jupiter. It it is under us, it could be relative close,less than 10AU. If we assume it is spinning in the same direction as earth,(we have a 50% chance), it's North Pole would be pointing at our South Pole. This would be a magnetic attraction. Add this to any gravitation attraction, and you can have an object that might force our axis to follow it, to a point, as it nears our sun.   If, the direction of spin is opposite, it would not attract, but rather deflect. This magnetic action would have to be strong enough to overcome the gravitational pull.  The 1st theory makes the most sense.  Occam's Razor.  ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 31, 2010, 10:47:16 AM
Ok ... taking all you said here ... as the Dwarf continues on its path ... its pole (+-) will continue to either attract or repell the Earths South pole causing a possible Geographic pole shift ... on its way toward us, and again as it is leaving us ... am I saying this correctly?

Amy
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 31, 2010, 11:07:12 AM
Amy, that would depend on how close the object is to earth, and in what position. It is possible the object came close enough while passing, to effect our axis. The big problem is what effect it will have on our sun.  ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 31, 2010, 11:15:14 AM
By all rights, it should only be near enough to effect earth once, on it's orbit thru. However, that doesn't eliminate the debris in the tail, if earth passes thru it.  There are so many factors in play here, that it is very difficult to say exactly what is going to happen.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 31, 2010, 12:27:33 PM
Have to agree with you there ... we need more info ... I'm sure the powers that be know, but they are not talking
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on August 31, 2010, 06:22:46 PM
Amy, Ed and all,

Venus is in its course to maximum approach with Earth in October, around day 20. Venus is already big and bright in the night sky. On its closest point to Earth the two planets will be at approx. 40 milion kilometers from each other or 25 million miles. Pretty close.

Could Venus be exerting magnetic pressure on Earth ?

Carlos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 31, 2010, 06:55:36 PM
I wonder .... Venus and the Pleiades Star –Cluster  coinside twice (This year) on the Eastern horizon together every 52 years in the early dawn ... the Mayans were deathly afraid of the Pleiades and Venus stopping, and not going below the horizon ... for if it did, the world would die ... is it possible the two in the nights sky could have anything to do with this?  The current 52 year cycle ends June 2012 ... The Star Disk has almost the same configuation on it, and it dates to 3,600 years ago .................

Amy
(Sorry, just thinking out loud)
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on August 31, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
Me pregunto .... Venus y la estrella Pléyades Coinside-Cluster dos veces (este año) en el horizonte del Este reúnen cada 52 años en la madrugada ... los mayas fueron un miedo mortal de las Pléyades y la parada de Venus, y que no vayan por debajo del horizonte ... porque si lo hiciera, el mundo iba a morir ... es posible que las dos noches en el cielo podría tener algo que ver con esto? El actual ciclo de 52 años termina junio 2012 ... El Disco Estrella tiene casi el mismo que la configuración de ella, y data de hace 3.600 años ................. Amy (Lo siento, sólo de pensar en voz alta) Lo sentimos, SDL está cerrado por Maintence
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on September 01, 2010, 08:38:47 AM
Carlos and Amy, thank you for this information on Venus...
I made note of it in case it relates to the crossing of Planet X. It sounds like there is a correlation. Did the Starviewer people mention this?
Yowbarb

Carlos y Amy, gracias por esta información en Venus... Hice nota de ello en caso de que relacione al cruce de Planeta X. Suena como hay una correlación. ¿Mencionaron las personas de Starviewer esto? Yowbarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 01, 2010, 08:49:13 AM
No, I dug this up a while back, and since we were talking about Venus, I thought I'd toss it into the brew
Amy

No, me lo hiciste un tiempo, y ya que estamos hablando de Venus, pensé que te tiraste a la bebida
Amy
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on September 01, 2010, 09:43:10 AM
Amy,
Mil Gracias,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on September 01, 2010, 12:51:16 PM
OK I have popped in here to request again:  If someone has more specific info on the scientists in the Starviewer site and connection with U know who, please post it here>>>https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,909.30.html (https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,909.30.html)

I realize I can look them up more -  but Amy, Ed, Boris, Carlos, if you have any inside track or shortcuts on info on these fellow post it here or email it to me. Specific as possible and with links where possible.
Working at home will be here to look at these Topics once in awhile...

Yowbarb

Scientists mentioned in starviewer site « on: August 16, 2010, 01:27:26 pm »
Hi All this is sort of a side Topic of starviewer.
This is another spot to sort out and begin to verify, who are the scientists who are the source of the discovery published by the starviewer team. - OR - as we say on another Topic, el discubrimiento.

This where we can post the scientists who are either quoted,
   or their material used in the discovery, or
   who are members of the starviewer team.
Who are they,
credentials,
how have their discoveries and work been accepted in the past;
what is their standing, etc. not that it always matters. Some of the greatest ones get disrespected, at first.
Which ones are backed by NASA now,
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 01, 2010, 06:25:35 PM
OK ... SVT contacted me today, and this Carlos Ochao was very nervious as to what I knew, and who at SVT told me. ... SDL was garbling my reply, so I replyed in English.  His reply was demeaning, and acted like I was some fool.  I replyed politly, and diplomatically ... CC'd to YowBarb and Ed and Boris.  waiting for his reply.

OK ... SVT en contacto conmigo hoy, y esto Ochao Carlos estaba muy nerviosos en cuanto a lo que conocía, y que en SVT me dijo. ... SDL se garbling mi respuesta, así que replyed en Inglés. Su respuesta era degradante, y actuó como si fuera un tonto. Yo replyed politly, y diplomáticamente ... CC'd a YowBarb y Ed y Boris. esperando por su respuesta
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on September 01, 2010, 06:42:21 PM
OK ... SVT contacted me today, and this Carlos Ochao was very nervious as to what I knew, and who at SVT told me. ... SDL was garbling my reply, so I replyed in English.  His reply was demeaning, and acted like I was some fool.  I replyed politly, and diplomatically ... CC'd to YowBarb and Ed and Boris.  waiting for his reply.

OK ... SVT en contacto conmigo hoy, y esto Ochao Carlos estaba muy nerviosos en cuanto a lo que conocía, y que en SVT me dijo. ... SDL se garbling mi respuesta, así que replyed en Inglés. Su respuesta era degradante, y actuó como si fuera un tonto. Yo replyed politly, y diplomáticamente ... CC'd a YowBarb y Ed y Boris. esperando por su respuesta

Amy,

It is more than obvious that we are touching very sensitive issue here.

What I can say ??  Only that you did a very nice and important job Amy !

My compliments,

Carlos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 01, 2010, 07:06:48 PM
You are more than welcome my friend ... Boris was coaching me how to reply ... I understand your concern, but we are all working toward the same end ... for their help, and for them to join forces with Marshall, or at the very least to get the info we need.

Eres más que bienvenida a mi amigo ... Boris me estaba entrenando qué responder ... Entiendo su preocupación, pero todos estamos trabajando hacia el mismo final ... por su ayuda, y para que se unan fuerzas con Marshall, o por lo menos, para obtener la información que necesitamos.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 01, 2010, 07:09:46 PM
Amy, once again well done. It is understandable they would be nervous about talking to "outsiders" they most likely do not want the ridicule from the media. Once they realize in time everyone is working on the same page perhaps they will mellow a bit.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 01, 2010, 07:16:19 PM
I do agree with you my friend
Here was his first reply:  "Amy is a lot about the planet x, I need to know that you've read? or where else those registered to speak of these matters?"
Here was his Second reply:"Amy what most believe is Planet X, and its location, nor is, nor is there, is much closer. According to what you know, where you say this now?  If you say that is beyond Pluto, as many believe and think. we're not talking about same planet.  Do not believe everything you read and you say, the "establishment" has done good job with their cover! I have over 20 years as an amateur astronomer, and I am very up to date, and also well informed, with good friends in this, in several different countries and with whom I am in frequent contact."
I am waiting for his next reply

Estoy de acuerdo con usted mi amigo era su primera respuesta: "Amy está mucho sobre el planeta x, necesito saber que has leído? O dónde más los inscritos para hablar de estos asuntos?" Aquí fue su respuesta Segunda : "Amy lo que la mayoría cree que es el Planeta X, y su ubicación, ni es, ni existe, está mucho más cerca. De acuerdo con lo que usted sabe, cuando usted dice esto ahora? Si usted dice que está más allá de Plutón, como muchos creen y piensan. no estamos hablando de un mismo planeta. No creas todo lo que lees y dices, el "establecimiento" ha hecho buen trabajo con su cubierta! Tengo más de 20 años como un astrónomo aficionado, y estoy muy al día, y también bien informado, con buenos amigos en este, en varios países diferentes y con quien estoy en contacto frecuente. "Estoy a la espera de su respuesta la próxima
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 01, 2010, 08:05:28 PM
I think the main thing is to be truthful with him on everything, he needs to trust us here in order to know we are on his side.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 01, 2010, 08:24:32 PM
I agree with you my friend, but to have answered his first question would have pointed the finger at two of their team that left information out in the open for anyone to see ... I did not want to risk that ... caution was my friend

Estoy de acuerdo con usted mi amigo, pero que han respondido a su primera pregunta habría señalado con el dedo a dos de su equipo que dejó a la información en campo abierto para que cualquiera pueda ver ... Yo no quería arriesgarse a que ... precaución era mi amigo
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on September 01, 2010, 08:25:39 PM
Here was his Second reply:"Amy what most believe is Planet X, and its location, nor is, nor is there, is much closer. According to what you know, where you say this now?  If you say that is beyond Pluto, as many believe and think. we're not talking about same planet.  Do not believe everything you read and you say, the "establishment" has done good job with their cover! I have over 20 years as an amateur astronomer, and I am very up to date, and also well informed, with good friends in this, in several different countries and with whom I am in frequent contact."
I am waiting for his next reply

MUCH CLOSER .... now, that is something.....
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 01, 2010, 08:28:31 PM
That is why I posted my friend ... I had my own idea of what he meant, but I was uncertain ... you confirmed it for me ... thank you!

Es por eso que me envió mi amigo ... Yo tenía mi propia idea de lo que quería decir, pero no estaba seguro ... usted me lo confirmó ... gracias!
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 01, 2010, 08:49:56 PM
Carluccio_piattino ... your thoughts please ... do you feel this slip up was accidental?  or intentional? ... and why?

Carluccio_piattino ... sus pensamientos, por favor ... Cómo te sientes este desliz fue accidental? o intencional? ... y por qué?
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 01, 2010, 10:46:25 PM
Amy, I agree that some caution is needed however, he did let a statement "much closer" slip. I think he wants to talk, yet is also fearful of doing so... Again, just my take.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 02, 2010, 05:40:14 AM
Agree my friend ... contacting YowBarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on September 02, 2010, 06:06:43 AM
Carluccio_piattino ... your thoughts please ... do you feel this slip up was accidental?  or intentional? ... and why?

Carluccio_piattino ... sus pensamientos, por favor ... Cómo te sientes este desliz fue accidental? o intencional? ... y por qué?

My dear and valiant friend Amy,

Sorry, I went to sleep after my last message and I did not see your last message.

Yes, I also think that Carlos let this slip intentionally because he confirms it when he says "If you say that is beyond Pluto, as many believe and think. we're not talking about same planet"

My quick thoughts (to be elaborated by all):

a) When we talk about "beyond Pluto" we are talking about Nemesis, the Sun's dark twin. Low eccentric orbit, actual distance from Sun TBD yet;

b) When we talk about PX we talk about an object that orbits Nemesis in a very wide and distant orbit to its brown dwarf star travelling at speeds (derived from same Kepler's third law I mentioned) around 11,000 miles/hour (covers the distance from Earth to Moon in 17 hours). A very low speed object that can slowly increase its influence over the inner planets of our solar system (which is his as well). To this speed we have to add up the relative speed of Nemesis in respect to the Sun. All these speeds are vectors, they have an instantaneous X-Y and Y-Z directions. But overall the approaching speed of PX I would deem it on the low side. PX maybe be best compared to Queen Elizabeth flag ship, instead of a Concorde jet.

BR,

Carlos


Mi querida e valiente amiga Amy,

Lo siento, me fui a dormir después de mi último mensaje y no vi tu último mensaje.

Sí, yo también creo que Carlos dejar pasar esta intencionadamente porque lo confirma cuando dice: "Si usted dice que está más allá] de Plutón [b /, ya que [muchos /] b creer y pensar. no estamos hablando [acerca del mismo planeta / b] "

Mis pensamientos rápidos (que serán elaborado por todos):

a) Cuando se habla de "más allá de Plutón" estamos hablando de Némesis, gemelo oscuro del Sol. Órbita de baja excentricidad, con la distancia real de Sol por determinar todavía;

b) Cuando hablamos de PX se habla de un objeto que orbita Némesis en una órbita muy amplia y distante de su estrella enana marrón que viaja a velocidades (derivado de la tercera ley de Kepler que yo he mencionado) alrededor de 11.000 millas / hora (cubre la distancia de Tierra a la Luna en 17 horas). Una velocidad muy baja que puede ir aumentando lentamente su influencia sobre los planetas interiores del Sistema Solar (que es suyo también). Para esta velocidad hay que añadir la velocidad relativa de Némesis con respecto al sol. Todas estas velocidades son vectores, tienen una velocidad instantánea XY y YZ. Pero en general la velocidad aproximada de PX yo lo considero en el lado bajo. PX tal vez sea mejor comparado con el buque Queen Elizabeth, en lugar de un avión Concorde.

Cordiales saludos,

Carlos

Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on September 02, 2010, 06:45:23 AM
obviously, they feel there is a gov't cover up also. They have been hammered from so many different directions, that they don't know, when someone like us, who are on their side, approaches them. Build trust.  ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on September 02, 2010, 07:56:15 AM
Agree my friend ... contacting YowBarb

Send me the link to your blog where the message from SVT Carlos  is posted. Please keep up the wonderful work.
I am relaying these to Marshall... and perhaps there can be some more complete contact and communication before the article and show come out.
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 02, 2010, 08:54:38 AM
Information has been sent to you, and thanks :D
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 02, 2010, 09:03:02 AM
I agree Ed ... if you look at it on face value ... this man is very scared ... or, he could be BS'ing to scare the poor frail woman from asking any more questions, but in either case ... why post on my blog where everyone on SVT can read it?  It would have been better to reply by e-mail as he did the first 2 times?   Boris told me that several SVT members joined my group this morning ... not sure who yet, been busy replying to inhouse requests.

Estoy de acuerdo en Ed ... si nos fijamos en que a primera vista ... este hombre es muy asustada ... o, podría ser BS'ing para asustar a la frágil mujer pobre de hacer más preguntas, pero en cualquier caso ... por publicar en mi blog en donde todo el mundo SVT puede leerlo? Hubiera sido mejor para responder por correo electrónico como lo hizo los primeros 2 veces? Boris me dijo que varios miembros de mi grupo SVT se unió esta mañana ... no está seguro de que, sin embargo, han ocupado las instalaciones respuesta a las solicitudes.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on September 02, 2010, 08:43:17 PM
Boris told me that several SVT members joined my group this morning ... not sure who yet, been busy replying to inhouse requests.

Very interesting. They are probing you either way IMO, I hope with good intentions to know you better before releasing more info.

Please, be also careful Amy.

Carlos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Oracle on September 02, 2010, 08:54:56 PM
Buenas noches senores!
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 02, 2010, 09:12:27 PM
Amy, I would think the SVT members who have joined are trying to determine what you know and what you are guessing, that along with your contact of them. I would as they are also doing with you use some caution until your link between the 2 of you is better established and as mentioned do be careful, we know what can/does happen when someone gets too close to the truth. There are way too many cover-ups and strange deaths related to this for those who do speak out.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 02, 2010, 10:23:20 PM
That is also my thoughts my friend ... more has been placed on my blog at SVT ... I have sent it to Marshall, Barb and to Carlos and Boris ... I have a new translater that works fine now

Esa es también mi pensamiento a mi amigo ... se ha puesto más en mi blog en SVT ... Lo he enviado a Marshall, Barb y Carlos y Boris ... Tengo un nuevo traductor que funciona bien ahora
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 02, 2010, 10:29:24 PM
SVT  Comment by Chrisol </ profile / Chrisol> 54 minutes ago
I forgot to mention it's also about Ophiocus the zodiacal sign of some mysterious hidden with intent between Sagittarius and Scorpio, I still have not discovered but have come to my mind things like:

* Why the Maya do have in mind?
* Why Mayor latam Ancient Mayan Oxlaj has a second name that means 13? read about it here: Tata Alejandro Cirilo Perez Oxlaj <http://http://chrisol.wordpress.com/video-resumen-del-mensaje-del-abuelo-maya/>
* It is then that is where not only is the center of the galaxy but also the largest?

Many people take seriously the existence of signs of the Zodiac, as a form of astral influence "in their lives from the moment they are born, but few know the existence of a constellation in which the sun passes and is the # 13 of the strip of sky called the zodiac: Ophiuchus is <http://http://elartur.blogspot.com/2009/01/ofiuco-un-posible-simbolo-del-principio.html> or Ophiocus

The Sun entered the constellation of Ophiuchus will transit from November 30 to December 17, <http://http://dadaisforever.wordpress.com/2009/03/05/ophiocus-el-13-signo- the-zodiac />

Comentario por Chrisol Hace 54 minutos Olvidé mencionar también sobre Ophiocus que es el signo zodiacal ocultado con alguna misteriosa intención entre Sagitario y Escorpion, yo aún no la he descubierto pero han venido a mi mente cosas como:

* Porqué los mayas sí lo tienen en cuenta?
* Porqué el Anciano Mayor de Latinoamerica de origen maya tiene como segundo apellido Oxlaj que significa 13? leer sobre él acá: Tata Alejandro Cirilo Pérez Oxlaj
* Será entonces que es ahí donde se encuentra no solo el centro de la galaxia pero también el grande?

Muchas personas se toman en serio la existencia de los signos del Zodiaco -como una forma de “influencia astral” en sus vidas desde el momento en que nacen, pero pocos conocen la existencia de una constelación por la que el Sol transita y que es la número 13 de la franja del cielo llamada Zodiaco: se trata de Ofiuco u Ophiocus

El Sol, al entrar en la constelación de Ofiuco transitará desde el 30 de noviembre al 17 de diciembre,
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 03, 2010, 06:45:38 AM
Amy, It appears that the trust has been established with some SVT members that are now willing to speak out. Hopefully we can now work together to learn even more on what will occur. Thank You
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 03, 2010, 06:58:23 AM
Boris and I also agree ... this Carlos on SVT started to sound worried again at the end of the conversation

Boris y también estoy de acuerdo ... Carlos en este SVT comenzó a sonar preocupada de nuevo al final de la conversación
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 03, 2010, 08:56:04 PM
A warning from our friend Carlos Ochoa on my blog at SVT
Comentario por Carlos Ochoa Hace 28 minutos Borrar comentario Estimada Amy, el Dr. Harrington, fue valiente, tambien diria que se apresuro un poco, pero sus buenas intenciones no tienen precio, aqui te pongo el ejemplo de lo que hicieron con un astronomo del Monte Wilson, con fotos, esto es lo que le sucede a los que quieren ayudar, a decirnos un poco mas sobre estas cosas tan trascendentales.

Comment by Carlos Ochoa </ profile / LuisQuiceno> 28 minutes ago
Delete comment Dear Amy, Dr. Harrington, was brave, I would also say that hasten a little, but their good intentions are priceless, here I put the example of what they did to an astronomer of Mount Wilson, with photographs, this is what happens to those who want to help, to tell us a little more about these things so momentous.








Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 03, 2010, 09:04:20 PM
Reply from Carlos Ochoa

Comment by Carlos Ochoa </ profile / LuisQuiceno> 8 minutes ago
Amy, and to others also, Planet X, it will not hit the ground, come by if we are talking about two magnets, one giant (Planet X) and a much lower (land), and there is no escape, and of course the losers, with great catastrophe, it is we can not escape the earth in its orbit, the sun is the greatest magnet that keeps the planets right where you are, orbiting around it, and it is well known by scientists . Some of the videos we've seen the "second sun", is indeed the Planet X, and in some cases their moons as well, he is now well below the ecliptic, and therefore its current slow to move, also affect it the planets have on, you resist their advance, speak of an exact distance is impossible, I have a rough that I did, even using 3D coordinates, and made an average speed, knowing that is not constant, and having a good idea of their location, and based on that too I have a date range of no more than six days for the final event, NASA has improved, no doubt, but nothing talking about it, or share them They are using the STEREO A and STEREO B, to the triangulation, since by their locations, are ideal for that, and also many of the anomalies we have seen in LASCO, is the Planet X and its moons, in some cases have been pixelated many images, but you notice the bad job, the program is not the best, if you pay attention you will realize what I say, the change in tone color, is significant and undeniable, if they were, they would right now to LASCO, service, under the Exus "x" or "y", but it is much worse if they do, would be more than obvious that "something hidden"!
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 03, 2010, 09:11:29 PM
Amy, Thank You. Has he given a time frame yet? Either way we must double our efforts to prepare as best we can here.Your site is amazing with all of the info and data which I am still going thru.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 03, 2010, 09:27:08 PM
I am working on that ..... here was my reply http://starviewerteam.ning.com/profiles/blogs/el-arquero-de-orion-indica-en?xg_source=activity (http://starviewerteam.ning.com/profiles/blogs/el-arquero-de-orion-indica-en?xg_source=activity)

Comentario por Amy Evans Hace 2 minutos Borrar comentario Thank you my dear friend Carlos. What can you tell me about the impact you said that would happen before this year ends? Is it one of the moons? Is it one of the planets? Is it an Asteroid?

Do you know the size of this monsters moons orbits? You mentioned it had 9 planets, I only know of 6?

How far does the orbit of the outermost planet of this monster come into our system? Can you provide me with an overlay of the Dwarfs mini-system superimposed onto our system ... to see where the 2 systems will interact in the orbits?

You said it was coming just around the corner into 2011 ... what is the new ETA for it to be here?

If my life is to be in danger over this, it will be a fair exchange for the information.

Thank you so very much for your help
Greetings to all

Gracias mi querido amigo Carlos. ¿Qué puedes decirme sobre el impacto que usted dijo que sería antes de fines de este año? ¿Es una de las lunas? ¿Es uno de los planetas? ¿Es un asteroide?

¿Sabe usted el tamaño de esta lunas órbitas monstruos? Usted mencionó que había nueve planetas, sólo sé de 6?

¿Hasta dónde llega la órbita del planeta más exterior de este monstruo entra en nuestro sistema? ¿Me puede dar con un revestimiento de la mini-sistema de Enanos superpuesta a nuestro sistema ... para ver donde los sistemas de 2 a interactuar en las órbitas?

Usted dijo que iba a venir a la vuelta de la esquina en 2011 ... ¿cuál es la nueva ETA para que sea en esta lista?

Si mi vida es estar en peligro por esto, será un mercado de intercambio para la información.

Gracias por lo mucho por tu ayuda
Saludos a todos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 03, 2010, 09:42:38 PM
Thank you my friend for the nice comment.  It has taken a while digging all around and also in my memory of Science shows and Prophecy shows, and so on ... throw in a few e-books, and info from at least a dozen groups, and of course the Yowusa site and now the SVT site.  And now to actually see this Destroyer ... wow
Hopefully enough will survive after it leaves, and it can be documented fully this time

Amy

Gracias a mi amigo por el comentario agradable. Ha tomado una excavación mientras a su alrededor y también en mi memoria de espectáculos Ciencia y muestra la Profecía, y así sucesivamente ... lanzar en algunos e-libros, e información de al menos una docena de grupos, y por supuesto el sitio Yowusa y ahora el sitio SVT. Y ahora a ver realmente esta Destroyer ... wow
Esperemos que la voluntad suficiente sobrevivir después de que salga, y puede ser perfectamente documentado en esta ocasión

Amy
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 03, 2010, 10:06:34 PM
Amy, Excellant work anxiously awaiting his reply here.
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on September 03, 2010, 11:00:24 PM
Amy very well done, and we hope he will answer al the questions soon.
Seems like a lot of beautiful souls on that site...

Adiosito,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 04, 2010, 05:57:33 PM
Greetings my friends ... I have been wondering through the halls of SVT, and came across a hand full of Blogs with a lot of reports ... I have sent copies of the Blog name and the url to a few of you.  If you get the time, maybe you can take a look in them ... we might just find what we need there also ... please pass them around to others on this group.  I also sent one to Yowusa info ... we might get lucky

Saludos a mis amigos ... Me he estado preguntando por los pasillos de la SVT, y me encontré con un puñado de blogs con un montón de informes ... He enviado copias del nombre y la dirección URL de blog a algunos de ustedes. Si se obtiene el tiempo, tal vez usted puede tener una mirada en ellos ... que sólo debe encontrar lo que necesitamos también ... por favor, pasar todo a los demás en este grupo. También envié una a info Yowusa ... podríamos tener suerte
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 18, 2010, 10:43:05 AM
Hi my friends ... Ed mentioned there was a messege posted to TH yesterday, does anyone know where it is?

Hola mis amigos ... Ed mencionados hubo un messege envió a TH ayer, ¿alguien sabe dónde está?
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Montanabarb on September 24, 2010, 02:56:38 PM
Video Proof That Nibiru Has Come and Gone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjD5aayptXk#)

Could this be the "first pass" you've talked about in this discussion?
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 24, 2010, 05:29:17 PM
Nibiru is being tracked by our South Pole Telescope, and is not far below the Ecliptic ... it will be visible sometime around the end of this year to the naked eye in the Southern skies.  It is on a 47 degree up-angle to the Ecliptic
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on September 25, 2010, 06:08:40 PM
Nibiru is being tracked by our South Pole Telescope, and is not far below the Ecliptic ... it will be visible sometime around the end of this year to the naked eye in the Southern skies.  It is on a 47 degree up-angle to the Ecliptic

Amy,
what latitude, do you think? Just below Australia?
- Yowbarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on September 26, 2010, 09:07:35 AM
I don't mean to jump in, and answer a question for Amy, but I believe Orion would be a good place to look.  ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 26, 2010, 09:35:57 AM
Thanks Ed .... but I am wondering, with what do we look with? ... all of the free online telescopes are alreadey compremised, and are therefore suspect?
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on September 26, 2010, 07:44:19 PM
Barb, Ed, Amy,

I am trying to imagine out in space as if I were off Earth, in fact a long way off Earth, how good is the visibility of anyone looking up at the sky to check on incoming Nibiru.

Because of Earth's axis inclination, the south hemisphere gets a privileged view of the southern sky only during summer time (am I correct here ??), when our portion of the earth looks more down the ecplitic than during other seasons. For us (southerns) the worst view of the southern skies happens during winter. We shall get a better look during summer which is approaching. We are right now leaving equinox.

This should be a call to southerns who own a telescope.... get your scopes out !!

Carlos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Amy Evans on September 26, 2010, 10:03:48 PM
The call is already out my friend ....
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: noproblemo2 on September 26, 2010, 10:17:45 PM
Will see about ordering a telescope tomorrow for the Pacific Baja angle if it will help...
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on October 04, 2010, 01:49:12 PM
Amy y Ed, que ya había mencionado este artículo canadiense antes. Me estoy poniendo aquí el SVT en español. La siguiente tendrá la cita del artículo NowPublic.
Todo lo mejor,
Yowbarb

Amy and Ed, you had already mentioned this before. Canadian paper. Posting the SVT post as it appears in Spanish Next post will be the quotation of the NowPublic article,
All The Best,
Yowbarb

Yowbarb translation: The Canadian paper, NOWPUBLIC analyzes the information from SVT on G1.9 – The Brown Dwarf
Posted 22 September, 2010. ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
http://starviewer.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/el-diario-canadiense-nowpublic-analiza-el-informe-del-stv-g1-9-la-enana-marron/ (http://starviewer.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/el-diario-canadiense-nowpublic-analiza-el-informe-del-stv-g1-9-la-enana-marron/)   

El diario canadiense NowPublic, analiza el informe del STV-G1.9: La Enana Marrón.
NEWSFLASH:
   
Escrito por Administrator Miércoles, 22 de Septiembre de 2010 18:33

Con fecha de 15 de junio de 2010, el diario canadiense NowPublic.com realizó una excelente aportación al estudio de los informes correspondientes a la localización de la perturbación de Oort en Sagitario: La Enana Marrón STV-G1.9, con los datos facilitados por el STV.
La cuestión vuelve de nuevo a cobrar actualidad, toda vez que siguen produciéndose anomalías en el balanceo solar, así como perturbaciones coherentes con la presencia de nuestra compañera estelar. Cada vez, son más los indicios que apuntan a una explicación sensata del cambio climático de carácter cósmico, en detrimento de las “impuestas” tesis del CO2, que no pueden explicar ni la ionización atmosférica, ni el incremento de la actividad sísmica, ni el comportamiento del sol desde la mancha 1024.
Pero las evidencias siguen estando ahí, y con el paso del tiempo, la distancia orbital de G1.9 se reduce conforme a las previsiones de nuestro informe. La cuestión es que nunca llegará a aproximarse lo suficiente como para poder apreciarse visualmente. (Su máxima aproximación será de unas 50 UA y luego se alejará). Pero, uno de sus satélites, si podría internarse dentro de nuestro sistema planetario, y en concreto entre la zona de las 21UA y las 25UA, zona que denominamos punto de atracción, lo que explicaría la formación de los cinturones de asteroides y la órbita elíptica de muchos de ellos.
Seguidamente ofrecemos la foto de la anomalía (Perturbación de Sagitario) G1.9.

http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-photo-07 (http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-photo-07)
 
 
De hecho, Callen se refiere al satélite más exterior, y en ese sentido existen pequeñas discrepancias respecto a la distancia y órbitas. Incluso el mismo Alan Watson, el astrónomo amateur que descubrió el impacto en Júpiter procedente de la anomalía de Sagitario, coincide con la interpretación de nuestros datos.
Textualmente, se incide de nuevo en la explicación de la controvertida naturaleza de G1.9: No puede ser una Supernova, y los nuevos datos y observaciones ponen de relieve que estamos hablando de un objeto que se está aproximando.
Citamos textualmente:  [La pagina que viene, En Ingles ]
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El diario canadiense NowPublic, analiza el informe del STV-G1.9: La Enana Marrón
 
Dated June 15, 2010, the Canadian Journal NowPublic.com
NowPublic article referring to the SVT discovery,  Yowbarb)
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-6 (http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-6)
Tech & Biz
G1.9 Confirmed a Binary Red Dwarf Star.
     by colesakick | June 15, 2010 at 07:42 pm Spanish Astronomers Claim Dwarf Sun Beyond Pluto 
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-photo-07 (http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-photo-07)

[Image Binary System]
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/binary-system (http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/binary-system)
 
[Two images of G1.9]
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-photo-07 (http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-photo-07)
[G1.9]
Note:  In Spanish SVT writer is saying that Colleen Tomas is explaining the discovery for the Canadian newspaper article. But we asked them to do just that for this article. [And here it is.]
Y así es. Realmente no se catalogó con la nomenclatura de las supernovas, porque de hecho, no encaja en la clasificación. De hecho Colleen Tomas añade una explicación que citamos textualmente:
Th
Si desean leer el texto completo del artículo pueden hacerlo aquí:
Documentación relacionada:
1.-http://starviewer.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/localizada-la-enana-marron-cerca-de-pluton-la-otra-verdad-del-40th-aniversario/
2.-Análisis de los Patrones de colisión de los asteroides en Oort.Documento de trabajo NI.La hora de la verdad.
3.-Análisis de.G1.9+0.3.Espectros.Infrared.Microondas.Rayos-X.Hoja de trabajo.N-II.
4.-Despedida del año Internacional de la astronomía 2009.
5.-Informe Final sobre G1.9STV: Némesis.Datos tras las diferentes reuniones y reflexiones de astrofísicos independientes.
6.-Un informe del Dr. Matese, podría haber encontrado un planeta gigante en la zona exterior del Sistema solar.
StarViewerTeam International 2010.

           
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on October 04, 2010, 02:26:31 PM
http://starviewer.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/el-diario-canadiense-nowpublic-analiza-el-informe-del-stv-g1-9-la-enana-marron/ (http://starviewer.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/el-diario-canadiense-nowpublic-analiza-el-informe-del-stv-g1-9-la-enana-marron/)   

El diario canadiense NowPublic, analiza el informe del STV-G1.9: La Enana Marrón.
NEWSFLASH:
   
Escrito por Administrator Miércoles, 22 de Septiembre de 2010 18:33

Con fecha de 15 de junio de 2010, el diario canadiense NowPublic.com realizó una excelente aportación al estudio de los informes correspondientes a la localización de la perturbación de Oort en Sagitario: La Enana Marrón STV-G1.9, con los datos facilitados por el STV.
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Citamos textualmente:  [En Ingles ]
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-6 (http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-6)
Tech & Biz
G1.9 Confirmed a Binary Red Dwarf Star.
     by colesakick | June 15, 2010 at 07:42 pm Spanish Astronomers Claim Dwarf Sun Beyond Pluto 
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-photo-07 (http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-photo-07)
The idea of a new planet being discovered in our Solar System is pretty exciting. Even more so because of the many theories about "planet-x" or "Nibiru" being associated with space aliens and the doomsday prophecies of 2012. Scientists at places like NASA and famous observatories have deflected inquiries about the discovery for a few years now, mainly because they feared being associated with these "fringe" theories. But like it or not -- it has happened. Well... According to a team of Spanish artronomers who call themselves the StarViewer Team. The group made the rounds of all the news web sites in the past two weeks, claiming they discovered something very significant. It's almost twice the size of Jupiter and just beyond our furthest planetoid, Pluto. Although it's not a planet, it appears to have planets or large satellites encircling it. It's what astronomers call a "brown dwarf star" and its official name is "G1.9". . . .
Nemesis
The theory of a companion sun is not new. It has often been described as Nemesis, after the Greek figure in mythology. ...
Many suns that we observe in the galaxy are part of binary systems or double stars. There is debate about how two suns form from a single condensed cloud of matter. Some believe that they both form at the same time; others believe they split following the creation of one huge sun.
Sometimes both spheres are capable of fusion and both suns shine brightly, encircling each other around an imaginary point call the Barycenter. Sometimes only one sun attains 13MJ and ignites, while its smaller companion, the brown dwarf, glows dimly and radiates heat. Astronomers usually can only see the brightest of the two, but because they both circle around a common Barycenter, the wobble reveals the mass of the unseen companion.
We are close to our Sun and within its gravitational influence. So as we are travel through space, it appears to us that the G1.9 is moving in an elipse between our furthest planetoid, Pluto, and the edge of our Solar system, near the Oort Cloud.
The newly discovered brown dwarf is reported to be located just about 60 to 66 AU (1 AU=the distance from the Sun to Earth) from us (its perigee), currently in the direction of the constellation Sagittarius. Because of periodic gravitational disturbances in areas of space further out, specifically in the Oort Cloud, the Spanish group of astronomers believe G1.9 travels in an elliptical orbit extending possibly hundreds of AU beyond the furthest known planets (its apogee). Its position just beyond Pluto suggests it is at its closest approach to the Sun and Earth.
Space appears relatively free of debris [www.binaryresearchinstitute.com] inside the planetary orbits. This is because the gravitational pull of each planet (a large mass) effectively collects the interplanetary debris (small mass). But there are exceptions.
[Image Binary System]
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/binary-system (http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/binary-system)
Belts of Debris
Between Mars and Jupiter you will see a ring of debris called The Asteroid Belt. It is believed that a planet once orbited in this area before it was pulverized by some type of impact. Many theorists believe this was caused by a rogue planet that entered the Solar System -- again hinting at the existence of some unknown member of our planetary system.
Beyond the furthest planetoid, Pluto, there is a large ring of debris called the Kuiper Belt. While the asteroid belt is composed primarily of rock and metal, the Kuiper belt objects are composed largely of frozen volatiles (termed "ices"), such as methane, ammonia and water.
As we get to the edge of the Solar System we enter another debris zone, the Oort Cloud. The Oort is not a band of debris but rather a spherical shell that surrounds the Solar System and extends out to the edge of the Sun's gravitational field. This region is thought to contain frozen clumps of water, methane, ethane, carbon monoxide and hydrogen cyanide. It's also the birth place of comets. However, the discovery of the object 1996-PW, an asteroid in an orbit more typical of a long-period comet, suggests that the cloud may also be home to rocky objects.
Debris "fly-paper"
Jupiter and Saturn are extremely massive and have such strong gravity that they attract meteors and comets entering the planetary zone of our Solar System. They protect smaller planets like our Earth from impacts, acting like a fly-paper for meteors, comets and asteroids.
In August of 2009, Jupiter captured a large asteroid that entered the planetary zone unexpectedly, despite the efforts of astronomers to track these dangerous objects. It is believed that this asteroid was perturbed by the trajectory of G1.9, which until now, was not recognized and accounted for.
How it was discovered... the controversy
You might well ask why astronomers have never detected this object before. In fact they did. G1.9 was first identified as a "supernova remnant" in 1984 by Dave Green of the University of Cambridge and later studied in greater detail with NRAO's Very Large Array radio telescope in 1985. Because it was unusually small for a supernova it was thought to be young -- less than about 1000 years old.
But in 2007, X-ray observations made with NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory revealed that the object was much larger than the last time it was observed! It had grown in size by 16%. Puzzled by this observation, the Very Large Array repeated its observations of 23 years ago and verified that it had increased in size considerably. Knowing that supernova do not expand this quickly, unless they have just exploded, they explained that G1.9 must be a "very young" supernova -- perhaps not more than 150 years old. But no record of a visible supernova has been found corresponding to that historical period (about the time of the American Civil War).
Spanish astronomers have tracked this object with great interest because they were anticipating its appearance. Gravitational anomalies have been appearing in the Oort Cloud for some time, suggesting the perturbations were caused by a nearby object with considerable mass. The announcement that G1.9 had increased in size was no mystery to them. It is exactly what they would expect as the object moved closer to Earth.
[Two images of G1.9]
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-photo-07 (http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-photo-07)
The object, G1.9 [above right] is currently located in the direction of our Galaxy's center, Sagittarius, which glows bright in this infrared spectrum image. Because of the bright background G1.9 is not visible in normal light wavelengths.
Of course there is controversy. The Spanish astronomers, who call themselves the "Starviewer Team" must still convince the scientific community that G.19 is not a supernova, but rather a brown dwarf star inside our Solar System. This is not an easy task. But we asked them to do just that for this article.
Note:  Colleen Tomas is explaining the discovery for the Caadian paper.

The image [above] shows the evidence that the object has increased in size over the 23 years that it has been observed. On the left, the blue spherical shape was recorded in radio wavelengths in 1985 by the Very Large Array. The image on the right shows the same view taken in 2008. It is obvious that the object is larger, but critics say that this is not because the object is closer, but rather that the residual "shell" from the exploding star has advanced out from its origin. They note the shape is not spherical but consistent with the type of remnants usually seen with supernova.
In this image [above] we see the original 1985 radio emission image from VLA compared to the 2007 x-ray image taken by the Chandra Observatory.
Colleen Tomas here: Note the blackness at the center of the above four photos of G1.9. This is expected (by me) of any star that has phonons on the outside instead of on the inside like our Sun (Personal theory based on physics: matter and antimatter pick a magnetic zone to quadrant of in. Local space ambient ion charge determines which type of matter will go inside and which goes outside). Phonons can be 100% efficient at absorbing light. Earthlings have only just begun to learn about phonons as they play with crystals for electronics and other applications. Crystals will emit harmonic phonons until you squeeze them, at which time they emit photons instead of harmonic phonons (owing to making magnetic transverse waves taller and closer together thus more energetic into the light emitting range). Note: Phonon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon)
Since NASA scientists have never heard of phonons they foolishly believe this dwarf star is a supernova that is enlarging, not because it is drawing closer but because it is expanding in an explosion. While that theory may seem plausible is does not hold up when we consider ancient historical accounts of the binary star that regularly orbits our Sun [1]. Besides, solar system changes are consistent with an approaching object that is emitting a great deal of antimatter cosmic rays that in the link there NASA admits is coming from a nearby source! Antimatter is dark matter, positrons and antiprotons are phonons, cool bodies of subtle transverse waves that have intense magnetic force. Magnetic force is strongest where thermal output is lowest. Phonons are the inverse twin of photons. Together photons and phonons are the husband and wife of creation, all matter is built from matter-antimatter pairs. Together these inverse ion entities form a bar magnate with north and south poles. Matter, antimatter Ion beams are now observable in Earth's atmosphere, they are way beautiful too. Before I add the links to them know the physics first (that is my price for admission).
In the videos you will see a matter-antimatter cloud form from ion beams [NASA admits these antimatter streams are coming from a near object here) that will begin to swirl in one another's magnetic fields (sometimes they shoot apart and come back together [1, 2]). As emerging phonon tubes form they swirl, dragging ions around to form a flat spiral in the sky, a very large one. When the ions ground to Earth you can see the toroidal magnetic field light up in a lovely blue transverse wave spiral. When the incoming phonon tube that caused all of this to begin with finally punches trough our atmosphere you see a black hole evolve. These plasma ion-phonon-magnetic structures have been filmed all over the world. Apparently only I can explain the physics for these since I studied phonon physics. Lots of sincere but wrongheaded explanations out to there to explain these structures but they are just guesses and even cover ups 1, 2, 3, 4.
I predicted these plasma structures and others that fit ancient art of various types of plasma effects to Dave Talbott months ago, well before the first spiral over Norway was filmed. I based my prediction on the fact that we were about to enter into the same cosmological situation that inspired the myth makers long ago. Mythological archetypes are Dave's area of expertise. The spiral is a commonly represented form in ancient art.  Here you go folks the plasma phonon phenomenon I described the physics for 1, 2, 3, 4. There are more than these four on youtube, these are just my favorites. You will see one of these yourself soon, trust me, they will be frightfully common, only now you know not to be frightened. These are natural plasma entities (they do emit x-ray and gamma radiation so if one evolves over your head get under cover please).
Ok, now the Russians weigh in on G1.9 with not very kind words for NASA.
[Yowbarb Note: This is posted, farther below. NASA has so ‘continually failed’ in their explanations for this giant, and growing, “as yet unknown” space object as to have lost all credibility in any discussion of it. (emphasis added)
Russia Prepares For Asteroid Strike As New Comet Nears Sun Russian scientists are reporting today that our Sun’s worst Deep Solar Minimum in 100-years has been broken by a newly discovered comet currently plunging towards its surface that has increased this past months Sunspot Number to 15.7, the highest it has been in Solar Cycle 24 since March, 2008, and has caused a massive eruption of C-Class flares for the past 16 days.
Solar physicist David Hathaway of the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center had previously declared in 2008 about Solar Cycle 24 that it was “the blankest year of the space age”, a declaration he revised in 2009 when he stated “This is the quietest sun we’ve seen in almost a century”.
So powerful has this Deep Solar Minimum been during this cycle that scientists have reported a 50-year low in solar wind pressure, a 55-year low in solar radio emissions, and, most importantly, a 12-year low in solar “irradiance”; the sun’s brightness which has dropped by 0.02% at visible wavelengths and 6% at extreme UV wavelengths since the solar minimum of 1996.
The critical danger to our Earth with the dropping of our Sun’s brightness lies in its “irradiance” levels being long associated with periods of Global cooling, including the catastrophic period between the 16th and 19th centuries named the Little Ice Age, a fact which American scientists have been accused of hiding from the public so as to further advance their now discredited theories of Planetary warming.
But to the greatest danger facing our World it is not from the horrific effects a massive Global Cooling event would have upon us, warn Russian scientists, but rather it is from the rising potential of our Earth being struck by, or “electrically interacting” with, a comet emanating from the currently destabilizing Oort Cloud from which these ‘space missiles’ are being increasingly hurled into our Solar System.
One such “electrical interaction” between these Oort Cloud “space missiles” plunging into our inner Solar System towards the Sun is occurring now, and offering further evidence supporting these Russian scientists claims after its discovery this week by Australian amateur astronomer Alan Watson who found this ‘new comet’ [had to shorten post]
And to what the American scientists fear above all else is their public becoming aware of the giant planetary body named G1.9 that is heading towards us and is now just 60 AU’s [1 AU=the distance from the Sun to Earth] from our Planet and growing in size.
Though not known to the American people about G1.9 is that since its discovery NASA has continued to maintain that it is the remnant of a supernova explosion that occurred about 140 years ago, an explanation deemed “absurd” by Russian scientists who point out, correctly, that for a supernova to have exploded in our own Solar System in the mid 1800’s it would have been not only visible to the entire Earth, it would have been extensively documented too.
Supporting these Russian scientists who state that G1.9 was never a supernova but either a new planet to our Solar System or a brown dwarf sun as their Spanish astrophysicist counterparts whose findings we can read:
“G1.9 was first identified as a “supernova remnant” in 1984 by Dave Green of the University of Cambridge and later studied in greater detail with NRAO’s Very Large Array radio telescope in 1985. Because it was unusually small for a supernova it was thought to be young — less than about 1000 years old. But in 2007, X-ray observations made with NASA’s Chandra X-ray Observatory revealed that the object was much larger than the last time it was observed! It had grown in size by 16%. Puzzled by this observation, the Very Large Array repeated its observations of 23 years ago and verified that it had increased in size considerably. Knowing that supernova do not expand this quickly, unless they have just exploded, they explained that G1.9 must be a “very young” supernova — perhaps not more than 150 years old. But no record of a visible supernova has been found corresponding to that historical period (about the time of the American Civil War). Spanish astronomers have tracked this object with great interest because they were anticipating its appearance. Gravitational anomalies have been appearing in the Oort Cloud for some time, suggesting the perturbations were caused by a nearby object with considerable mass. The announcement that G1.9 had increased in size was no mystery to them. It is exactly what they would expect as the object moved closer to Earth.”
To the potential catastrophic danger posed to our Earth by G1.9 was evidenced in July, 2009, when the Planet Jupiter was hit by a large comet that entered its planetary zone unexpectedly, despite the efforts of astronomers to track these dangerous objects. Russian and Spanish astronomers contend that the comet that struck Jupiter was perturbed by the trajectory of G1.9, which until now, was not recognized and accounted for.
Though the Americans contend, also, that G1.9 has reached its closest approach to Earth in its orbit, Russian scientists couldn’t disagree more and point to the fact that NASA has so ‘continually failed’ in their explanations for this giant, and growing, “as yet unknown” space object as to have lost all credibility in any discussion of it. (emphasis added)
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In the reporting of these events it is also important to note that the ancient peoples of our Earth spoke many times about a G1.9 - type object in our solar system (Marduk, Nibiru, Planet X) and warned that when it approached our inner Solar System chaos and catastrophe always ensued.
Note from Colleen here again. Nibiru is not G1.9, Nibiru is a planet, G1.9 is a small star. G1.9 is on a 24,000 year orbit like Sedna. Nibiru has a much shorter period 3,600 years. G1.9, Sedna, Planet X etc are all in retrograde orbits together, they just are at differing distances from the Sun. The Sun is king, everything is revolving around it but in two differing planes (East-West, South-North). G1.9 pulls us up and down the galactic equator subjecting our area of the system to a shift is electrical and magnetic polarities. Every 6,000 years (approx) we change magnetic field direction, every 12,000 years we change electrical polarity. When both happen together the effects are very severe to life on earth but there is no such thing as an [uneventful] crossing or shifting event when you look at Earth history.
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Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 04, 2010, 08:14:03 PM
Very nice, Barb. I noticed there was no mention of Dr. Harrington of the Naval Observatory, who(I thought) saw it first, in 1983. Phonons are a new one to me, but are sufficiently explained as the opposite of photons. (yin yang)
A very informative article with much scientific data, explained in layman terms.  ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Carluccio_piattino on October 04, 2010, 08:28:00 PM
Barb and Ed,

One of the best texts ever !

Phonons would explain, at least partially, why is so difficult to track down this dwarf star.

I am sure that more will be revealed soon, including why is our solar heliosphere so dynamically variable these years. The answer lies with G1.9 but may also include external radiation arriving. This theme was briefly presented here as a copy of SVT findings and it is somewhat new and probably more to come on this and all the rest as well before we see the end of 2010.

BR,

Carlos
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 04, 2010, 08:34:52 PM
Carluccio, there are scientific papers on all of those subjects. They just haven't felt that they were important enough to make sure everyone saw them.  ed
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on October 05, 2010, 08:13:52 AM
Very nice, Barb. I noticed there was no mention of Dr. Harrington of the Naval Observatory, who(I thought) saw it first, in 1983. Phonons are a new one to me, but are sufficiently explained as the opposite of photons. (yin yang)
A very informative article with much scientific data, explained in layman terms.  ed

Ed, true not a mention of Harrington...
The Canadian article could have been more complete, but it seems to be really breaking new ground. 
BTW I had to delete a sentence or two to try to fit it into the post... I had to delete some of the Russian stuff (their concern
about the sun and asteroids) according to the article they are really P.O.d at American science ... for not divulging more and not protecting people they way they should.
Question: Anyone know any other news sites that mention SVT stuff - I mean in any kind of honest spirit of investigation. ? 
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Blurry-eyed Barb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on October 05, 2010, 08:17:04 AM
The call is already out my friend ....

Hola, Senorita!
Mil Gracias por toda la información
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Conversaci
Post by: Yowbarb on October 05, 2010, 08:21:43 AM
Barb and Ed,

One of the best texts ever !

Phonons would explain, at least partially, why is so difficult to track down this dwarf star.

I am sure that more will be revealed soon, including why is our solar heliosphere so dynamically variable these years. The answer lies with G1.9 but may also include external radiation arriving. This theme was briefly presented here as a copy of SVT findings and it is somewhat new and probably more to come on this and all the rest as well before we see the end of 2010.

BR,

Carlos

Carlos,
Olá, meu amigo. Sim, este articulé é interessante.
Tenha uma boa noite,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: La conversación acerca de StarViewer
Post by: Yowbarb on October 06, 2010, 11:11:04 AM
A question: Did someone already post here a good translation of the document on Enana Marron? Did Boris translate this? Enana Marron, Brown Dwarf.
Amy, did you already already send it to me?
Thank You,
Barbara
Una pregunta: ¿Alguien ya publicar aquí una buena traducción del documento en Enana Marrón? Boris se traduce esto?
Amy, ¿ya ya enviar a mí?
Gracias,
Barbara
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Title: Re: La conversación acerca de StarViewer
Post by: Yowbarb on October 04, 2011, 11:24:22 PM
http://starviewerteam.org/ (http://starviewerteam.org/)   [ ¿Realmente se ha desintegrado Elenin? ]

http://starviewer.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/elenin-el-misterio-de-los-cambios-de-trayectoria-visible-de-nuevo-en-stereo-hi1-del-12-al-27-de-septiembre/ (http://starviewer.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/elenin-el-misterio-de-los-cambios-de-trayectoria-visible-de-nuevo-en-stereo-hi1-del-12-al-27-de-septiembre/)

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Una de las cuestiones más controvertidas del momento: ¿Realmente se ha desintegrado Elenin? o ¿Ha cambiado su trayectoria? Lo cierto es que parece que ha ralentizado y posteriormente acelerado ligeramente, para volver a cambiar ligeramente su trayectoria. Podemos observarlo en el nodo STEREO HI1 desde el 4/09/2011 al 27/09/2011.

Observen la curiosa anomalía de la ralentización, cambio ligero de trayectoria y aceleración. Como pueden observar sigue apareciendo en las lentes del Satélite Stereo HI1 y HI2 desde el 9 de Septiembre al 27 de Septiembre.

Como siempre, saquen sus propias conclusiones
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Una de las cuestiones más controvertidas del momento: ¿Realmente se ha desintegrado Elenin? o ¿Ha cambiado su trayectoria? Lo cierto es que parece que ha ralentizado y posteriormente acelerado ligeramente, para volver a cambiar ligeramente su trayectoria. Podemos observarlo en el nodo STEREO HI1 desde el 4/09/2011 al 27/09/2011.

Observen la curiosa anomalía de la ralentización, cambio ligero de trayectoria y aceleración. Como pueden observar sigue apareciendo en las lentes del Satélite Stereo HI1 y HI2 desde el 9 de Septiembre al 27 de Septiembre.

Como siempre, saquen sus propias conclusiones.