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Title: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on August 16, 2010, 10:27:26 AM
Hi All this is sort of a side Topic of starviewer.
This is another spot to sort out and begin to verify, who are the scientists who are the source of the discovery published by the starviewer team. - OR - as we say on another Topic, el discubrimiento.

This where we can post the scientists who are either quoted,
                                                                                      or their material used in the discovery, or
                                                                                      who are members of the starviewer team.
Who are they, credentials, how have their discoveries and work been accepted in the past; what is their standing, etc. not that it always matters. Some of the greatest ones get disrespected, at first.
Which ones are backed by NASA now, if this is true.
This may be not as important right now as getting a full and understandable translation, which is moving along and lots of posts coming in
from Amy about this.  This is also important: A place to sort out who is saying what, in what context, when it was said.
Note: Along with the translation this will help with the eventual analysis of the validity of the discovery.

This may be a bit random at first  as I go through what is being posted in translation or what I can see for myself on the site as source material, I will post here the scientist and his work or statement which is part of the discovery.
Anyone who has definite knowledge of a source scientist, please post him, along with where he is found in the transaltion, or on the
starviewer site itself. Page number, links and coherent complete sentences please.
This Topic is English only and this Topic is for this purpose only.

This particular Topic is not for an opinion on it's true or it's bunk.  Please: This is just who are the scientists
and what did they contribute to this discovery, where are they on the site and what have they already published etc.

This is going to take even more heads together. Thanks to all who are already looking at this, Amy Ed Carlos and others,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on August 16, 2010, 10:29:41 AM
This is just a little info to start out, on some of the scientists involved.
Matese is one of the scientists referred to in materials in the recent post by Amy.
Next post will try to have a list a start of who the scientists are. - Yowbarb

http://www.planetxvideo.info/images/mat.gif (http://www.planetxvideo.info/images/mat.gif)
(http://www.planetxvideo.info/images/mat.gif)
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~jjm9638/ (http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~jjm9638/) Astrophysics Homepage of John J. Matese
John J. Matese
Emeritus Professor of Physics
University of  Louisiana at Lafayette
e-mail: matese@louisiana.edu
Research Interests
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 16, 2010, 10:47:36 AM
Dr Matese has a few assistants, such as Dr Lissauer, and DR Murray.  It's funny. NASA uses the same guys for their determinations, as Starviewer, except Starviewer used the entire papers and discoveries. NASA took their work and twisted it to their needs. The heck with NASA. Some of the papers weren't published. Now they are, and few people will understand what's been said. We have something coming our way, and it's gonna be trouble.
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on August 16, 2010, 10:54:02 AM
Ed thanks for more insight on this...
When you come across specific entries like who contributed what, if you have time post it here...
I agree to heck with Nasa but I still want to sort out who is who and what was the connection...
and what they contributed to the discovery...
All The Best,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 16, 2010, 12:05:15 PM
Ed & Barb ... I am glad you are both together on your appraisal of some of the articles from SVT.  I also agree with Ed ... trouble is a coming ... and sooner than even they thought!

Just curious, what does Marshall think about these articles?
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 16, 2010, 01:26:29 PM
Well, we already are now ... the weather.   From what I have read .. it might/should be visible to the naked eye somewhere around the end of this year ... then NASA's gag order will shatter and watch out.  Humans are predictable.
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 16, 2010, 01:40:01 PM
That's all the more reason to make sure you have stocked up as much as possible, before everyone onn the planet is aware.
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 16, 2010, 01:52:55 PM
I would like to call attention to the scientist that started it all; Dr. Robert Harrington. And look what I found: http://yowusa.com/planetx/2008/planetx-2008-05b/1.shtml (http://yowusa.com/planetx/2008/planetx-2008-05b/1.shtml)
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 16, 2010, 01:55:56 PM
This speaks of Dr Matese leading the USA team;   
 Professor John J. Matese: In 1999, U.K. and U.S. astronomers independently reported finding evidence that a large planet or brown dwarf gravitationally bound to the Sun may be perturbing the orbits of long-period comets at the outer reaches of the Oort Cloud into the inner Solar System with the assistance of galactic tidal forces. The U.S. team was led by Professor John J. Matese, Professor of Physics University of Louisiana at Lafayette. ABC News Article
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 16, 2010, 01:58:06 PM
Dr. Jack Lissauer
NASA Ames Research Center

 Dr. Jack Lissauer is a Space Scientist in the Planetary Systems Branch at NASA's Ames Research Center. His primary research interests are the formation of planetary systems, detection of extrasolar planets, planetary dynamics and chaos, planetary ring systems, and circumstellar/protoplanetary disks.  Dr. Lissauer is co-discoverer of the first four planets known to orbit about faint M dwarf stars, and also co-discovered two faint outer rings and two small inner moons of the planet Uranus. Dr. Lissauer is the co-author of the graduate level textbook/ Planetary Sciences/ and a Co-I on NASA's Kepler Mission.  Dr. Lissauer was awarded an Alfred P. Sloan Foundation fellowship, the 1992 Harold C. Urey Prize of the Division of Planetary Sciences of the American Astronomical Society, and a 2006 SpotBeam Award from the California Space Authority.
 
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 16, 2010, 02:04:24 PM
http://www.planetary.org/about/founders/bruce_murray.html (http://www.planetary.org/about/founders/bruce_murray.html)
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on August 16, 2010, 10:25:06 PM
Ed & Barb ... I am glad you are both together on your appraisal of some of the articles from SVT.  I also agree with Ed ... trouble is a coming ... and sooner than even they thought!

Just curious, what does Marshall think about these articles?

Hi Amy I posted a PM to you just now, 1:23 AM EDT,
Thanks,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on August 16, 2010, 10:27:04 PM
Repeating my startup post:  The purpose of this particular Topic.
Thanks, Yowbarb

Hi All this is sort of a side Topic of starviewer.
This is another spot to sort out and begin to verify, who are the scientists who are the source of the discovery published by the starviewer team. - OR - as we say on another Topic, el discubrimiento.

This where we can post the scientists who are either quoted,
                                                                                      or their material used in the discovery, or
                                                                                      who are members of the starviewer team.
Who are they, credentials, how have their discoveries and work been accepted in the past; what is their standing, etc. not that it always matters. Some of the greatest ones get disrespected, at first.
Which ones are backed by NASA now, if this is true.
This may be not as important right now as getting a full and understandable translation, which is moving along and lots of posts coming in
from Amy about this.  This is also important: A place to sort out who is saying what, in what context, when it was said.
Note: Along with the translation this will help with the eventual analysis of the validity of the discovery.

This may be a bit random at first  as I go through what is being posted in translation or what I can see for myself on the site as source material, I will post here the scientist and his work or statement which is part of the discovery.
Anyone who has definite knowledge of a source scientist, please post him, along with where he is found in the transaltion, or on the
starviewer site itself. Page number, links and coherent complete sentences please.
This Topic is English only and this Topic is for this purpose only.

This particular Topic is not for an opinion on it's true or it's bunk.  Please: This is just who are the scientists
and what did they contribute to this discovery, where are they on the site and what have they already published etc.

This is going to take even more heads together. Thanks to all who are already looking at this, Amy Ed Carlos and others,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on August 16, 2010, 10:37:46 PM
This speaks of Dr Matese leading the USA team;   
 Professor John J. Matese: In 1999, U.K. and U.S. astronomers independently reported finding evidence that a large planet or brown dwarf gravitationally bound to the Sun may be perturbing the orbits of long-period comets at the outer reaches of the Oort Cloud into the inner Solar System with the assistance of galactic tidal forces. The U.S. team was led by Professor John J. Matese, Professor of Physics University of Louisiana at Lafayette. ABC News Article

Ed thanks very much  This is just the kind of info I need to see  posted here in this Topic,
- Yowbarb
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 19, 2010, 06:49:35 AM
Please check out this slide show of Planet-X!!!!!!!!  OortscenaryX4082009.pps
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 19, 2010, 08:43:37 AM
I have a power Point slide show that shows the path of PX up to 2012!
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 19, 2010, 09:28:12 AM
It shows the Dwarf's system, and its relation to our system each time .. until it reachs 2012... and it looks to me to show it coming between Jupiter and Saturn?

Se muestra el sistema del Enano, y su relación con nuestro sistema cada vez .. de que llegue hasta 2012 ... y me parece que para mostrar venir entre Júpiter y Saturno?
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 19, 2010, 12:15:20 PM
A strange silence has befallen the hall after looking at the info
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Lori on August 19, 2010, 12:37:56 PM
Amy can you send me the power point too.  Thanks

Lori
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 19, 2010, 12:54:00 PM
I have not posted the contents of the file ... I was trying to get your attention ... I did post on the spanish one what I was able to intercept of them talking about PX
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: noproblemo2 on August 19, 2010, 01:42:47 PM
Thanks Amy, very interesting.
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 19, 2010, 03:02:16 PM
You are more than welcome ... this file indecates the level of information Both NASA and SVT have on our re-found friend
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 19, 2010, 07:05:41 PM
Amy, this info can put the whole puzzle together. Post it if you want, but don't lose it. From the digging I've done, Dr. Matese is playing it straight, as an independent researcher. Dr Murray and Dr. Lissauer worked with Dr Matese on a paper they published.  Murray and Lissauer appear to be the ones playing both ends of the game. They work, or worked, for NASA, and they are reporting info on SVT. It's as if they are playing NASA and SVT against each other. No wonder the papers SVT is coming out with looked verifiable and scientifically sound. They were from/for NASA. I will dig in on some of the lesser known assistants, and see what I can find. It would be a coup, if we could show the connection between the .pps show and both NASA and SVT, and that they have been withholding info, that is so important to mankind.
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 19, 2010, 08:15:14 PM
Ed ... please send me an e-mail to capricornamy1159@yahoo.com  Something is wrong with the pass-word thingy ...it kept me from replyinf
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 19, 2010, 08:37:45 PM
Thanks ... it did it again, and I just kept punching cancle
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 19, 2010, 08:40:01 PM
Dont worry Ed, it is safe ... made sure of that
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: noproblemo2 on August 19, 2010, 09:05:05 PM
Thanks ... it did it again, and I just kept punching cancle
my, hit the X when it pops up each time it will quit coming up after 5 or 6 goes at it.
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 20, 2010, 01:36:41 PM
Amy, now might be a good time for you to post the .pps. I think everyone should see it, although they might not know all of the research and study it took to come up with it.  ed
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 20, 2010, 01:50:06 PM
Ok Ed ... is there a way to upload jpegs to this forum?, or the entire MS power point prestation?
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Lori on August 20, 2010, 02:00:55 PM
Amy at the bottom the post box is additional options.  click on it an upload link will appear.  Just use that to upload the pictures.
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 20, 2010, 03:41:16 PM
I hate to admit it, but I do not know how to upload the presentation as a whole, or to pull each slide from the work and upload each.  I sent a copy of the file to Lori  hopefully she will know how to do it :-[
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 21, 2010, 08:25:33 AM
api.ning.com/files/Vop5r8cKFbgSN5zCE3fITu.../OortscenaryX4082009.pps
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 21, 2010, 08:27:57 AM
Aw heck! Just google OortscenaryX4082009.pps and the link at the bottom should be the pps itself;
api.ning.com/files/Vop5r8cKFbgSN5zCE3fITu.../OortscenaryX4082009.pps
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: noproblemo2 on August 21, 2010, 09:04:08 AM
Will try this to see if it will work.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://starviewer.wordpress.com/2009/12/23/la-prueba-de-que-algo-esta-cambiando-en-la-actividad-solar-el-balanceo-y-las-explosiones-solares/&ei=FfhvTIjMJ4G78gaa4f3eDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCIQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3DOortscenaryX4082009.pps%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://starviewer.wordpress.com/2009/12/23/la-prueba-de-que-algo-esta-cambiando-en-la-actividad-solar-el-balanceo-y-las-explosiones-solares/&ei=FfhvTIjMJ4G78gaa4f3eDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCIQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3DOortscenaryX4082009.pps%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG)
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 21, 2010, 10:15:50 AM
Boris and I have the same nagging question ... and we want to put it too all of you here ... SVT was careless, and gave us a graph showing the projected orbit of what they have labeled PX ... this projected path is extreamly close to the one Marshall/BarB/Jacco made.
1) we have this graph
2) We have the MSPP presentation ... it has 8 slides showing the Dwarf Star with 6 moons orbiting it ... eace slide represents a different time period ... so we know from it that they have plotted the orbits correctly, and on slide 8 we see the upward arrow showing it passing between Jupiter and Saturn ... all with me here?
The nagging thought is ... the graph does not indicate PX with it's 6 moons, and having the outermost moon passing between Jupiter & Saturn ... it shows the whole damn thing going between Jupiter & Saturn.
Now to my next point ... the snippet I have that has the link to the MSPP has them talking about working on "The Orbits" ... the presentation already has the "Orbits" for the 6 moons, so this supposes they were going to work on "The Orbits" of the 9 planets and then overlay the 2
Boris and I came to the conclusion, and I hope we are wrong ... that they are projecting the Dwarf to pass between Jupiter & Saturn and it's 6 moons orbits (We have no data on how wide those orbits are) will be intercecting/crossing the orbits of the planets as it swings through our system.
I tried to upload the graph, but it wont upload
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 22, 2010, 10:01:22 AM
Here
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 22, 2010, 10:18:01 AM
There is still a problem in uploading the slides, but I was able to upload the first over in the Spanish Speaking group
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on August 22, 2010, 11:42:17 AM
OK  Here are all 8 slides  Boris came through
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on August 22, 2010, 03:26:53 PM
Wow Amy well done.
PM,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in starviewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on September 02, 2010, 05:33:47 PM
Will try this to see if it will work.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://starviewer.wordpress.com/2009/12/23/la-prueba-de-que-algo-esta-cambiando-en-la-actividad-solar-el-balanceo-y-las-explosiones-solares/&ei=FfhvTIjMJ4G78gaa4f3eDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCIQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3DOortscenaryX4082009.pps%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://starviewer.wordpress.com/2009/12/23/la-prueba-de-que-algo-esta-cambiando-en-la-actividad-solar-el-balanceo-y-las-explosiones-solares/&ei=FfhvTIjMJ4G78gaa4f3eDA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCIQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3DOortscenaryX4082009.pps%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG)

Belated Thank You,
Barb
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on September 03, 2010, 11:04:39 PM
Ed relayed this to me tonight,
"Dr Daniel Whitmire co-wrote the last paper on a brown dwarf with Matese."
All The Best,
Yowbarb


Enana Marron

20091025_Dadrev - Localizando a nuestra Némesis.pdf

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BwdLVHZJ-yB8ZmI2MzE5MTctYzYzOC00OTI0LTk0ZGQtYjRlNDNhZTYxNjFm&hl=es
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Deathanyl on October 04, 2010, 07:42:28 AM
well i read what was here and didn't understand if the theory is this dwarf is PX (Nibru) or if it's just an ex planet past Pluto (i had read of two in history)?

Either way it doesn't pass very close if out near Jupiter, that would lead to the worst we suffer is some quakes and a solar flare or two, wouldn't it be nice, just enough to shake there hold and still make carrying on easier for us survivors.
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on October 04, 2010, 02:38:28 PM
well i read what was here and didn't understand if the theory is this dwarf is PX (Nibru) or if it's just an ex planet past Pluto (i had read of two in history)?

Either way it doesn't pass very close if out near Jupiter, that would lead to the worst we suffer is some quakes and a solar flare or two, wouldn't it be nice, just enough to shake there hold and still make carrying on easier for us survivors.

Hello Deathanyl I just popped in here for a minute. I noticed your post. I am still sorting it out but  you could  take a look at:
https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,895.135.html (https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php/topic,895.135.html)
Conversaci, about the Canadian journal article about the SVT discovery.
I just posted the Spanish SVT article on it, and the Canadian article.
Meanwhile, there is some confusion about terms, understandable. See below,
This is from Colleen Tomas, who was explaining the SVT discovery of G1.9 in a Canadian paper interview, Yowbarb
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-6 (http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-6)
Tech & Biz
G1.9 Confirmed a Binary Red Dwarf Star.
     by colesakick | June 15, 2010 at 07:42 pm Spanish Astronomers Claim Dwarf Sun Beyond Pluto 
 “…here again. Nibiru is not G1.9, Nibiru is a planet, G1.9 is a small star. G1.9 is on a 24,000 year orbit like Sedna. Nibiru has a much shorter period 3,600 years. G1.9, Sedna, Planet X etc are all in retrograde orbits together, they just are at differing distances from the Sun. The Sun is king, everything is revolving around it but in two differing planes (East-West, South-North). G1.9 pulls us up and down the galactic equator subjecting our area of the system to a shift is electrical and magnetic polarities. Every 6,000 years (approx) we change magnetic field direction, every 12,000 years we change electrical polarity. When both happen together the effects are very severe to life on earth but there is no such thing as an [uneventful] crossing or shifting event when you look at Earth history.”
............................
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Deathanyl on October 04, 2010, 02:43:43 PM
thanks for the clarity, i understand much more from the one post. lol, I was not meaning we'd have no effects a solar flare blasting us all back to 1800 is an effect to say the least, but if Nibru passes so far from us it will  (likely) not rip us in half and make the planet un- inhabitable.

But if both were to come close at once... though if there on the same north south orbital plane then thats unlikely as they'd crash into each other perhaps... wouldn't that be something to see :o and so close to Jupiter, we could have that second sun for some time were that to happen and ignite the big boy...
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on October 04, 2010, 02:48:02 PM
thanks for the clarity, i understand much more from the one post. lol, I was not meaning we'd have no effects a solar flare blasting us all back to 1800 is an effect to say the least, but if Nibru passes so far from us it will  (likely) not rip us in half and make the planet un- inhabitable.

But if both were to come close at once... though if there on the same north south orbital plane then thats unlikely as they'd crash into each other perhaps... wouldn't that be something to see :o and so close to Jupiter, we could have that second sun for some time were that to happen and ignite the big boy...

Well I am still not sure how many objects there are and how bad it will be.
Very much just trying to get caught up to speed and sort out fact from gobbledygook.
Based on eveything I have been reading it could be really bad.
Not ready to say I know that for a fact, just a student of all this. I appreciate your post,
Stay safe and well,
Bottom line is it cannot hurt to prepare.
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on February 15, 2011, 11:34:45 AM
Posting this here too. An Update Matese and colleague Lisssauer have put out a paper, posted at bottom of page.
Also today they made the mainstream media news, CNN.http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/15/scientists-telescope-hunt-massive-hidden-object-in-space/
February 15th, 201109:03 AM ET
...
Matese page ... Here it is again,
Yowbarb
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~jjm9638/

Found this too. Not his page it is a Telegraph UK article...
http://www.viewzone.com/nemesis.html

John J. Matese
Emeritus Professor of Physics
University of  Louisiana at Lafayette

e-mail: matese@louisiana.edu
Research Interests

Astrophysical Dynamics With an Emphasis on Minor (Dwarf) Planets
The Oort Comet Cloud and Its Interaction With Our Milky Way Galaxy 
The bulk of my recent research activity has centered on the Oort comet cloud. In particular, the distributions of observed orbital elements can differ from the in-situ distributions because of observational selection effects and observational uncertainties. Of more interest dynamically is the imprint of the physical mechanism responsible for making these comets observable.  To make a comet observable its perihelion distance, q, must be reduced to sufficiently small values that the solar insolation will create a detectable coma. Since  the angular momentum of a near-parabolic orbiting Oort cloud comet is proportional to q1/2 , to reduce q we must reduce angular momentum, and the tidal torque of  our Milky Way Galaxy is the dominant  mechanism for doing so. Specifically, we argue that the tidal torque due to the smoothed matter density of the galactic disk leaves its own signature on these Oort cloud comet orbital element distributions. Thus ``what you see is not what you've got out there``. In a presentation at the DPS 2003 meeting in Monterey, we provide the most recent evidence that the data are of sufficiently high quality, sufficiently free of observational bias and sufficiently numerous to clearly detect subtle imprints of the galactic tide. Objections of this sort are often raised, but seldom supported with analysis, when the data are used to infer dynamical mechanisms making new Oort cloud comets observable. DPS2003 Monterey Talk:

The related paper, done in collaboration with J. J. Lissauer, has now been published Icarus Paper of Monterey Talk:
 
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~jjm9638/dps2003/I08821w.pdf
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Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on February 15, 2011, 11:37:13 AM
Matese and Lissauer:
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~jjm9638/dps2003/I08821w.pdf
Perihelion Evolution of Observed New Comets Implies the Dominance of the
Galactic Tide in Making Oort Cloud Comets Discernable


John J. Matese1
Jack J. Lissauer2
1Department of Physics, University of Louisiana at Lafayette
Lafayette, LA, 70504-4210
2Space Science Division, MS 245-3, NASA Ames Research Center
Moffett Field, CA, 94035
1 Tel: (337) 482 6697; Fax: (337) 482 6699; E-mail: matese@louisiana.edu
Published 2004 Icarus 170, 508-513.
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: ASEEKERTOO on February 15, 2011, 12:42:41 PM
all the above comments sum things up pretty well !
just remember that the bible does say that objects will fall to the earth and each will weigh 100 talents.
Makes me wish I had played more Dodgeball in junior high now; I could use that talent of dodging lol.
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: VillageIdiot on February 15, 2011, 01:07:09 PM
...Makes me wish I had played more Dodgeball in junior high now; I could use that talent of dodging lol...
...or you could repeat this famous phrase aloud if / when the time comes: "Run Forest, RUUUUNNNN!!!"  ;)
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on February 17, 2011, 10:18:13 AM
As far as I can see ... they just changed the name of the thing ... its still the same thing that SVT had the MSPP file made for.  This also suggests to me at least, that it is legit!
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on February 17, 2011, 05:52:43 PM
Thanks, Amy...
Back in awhile,
Barb
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on October 04, 2011, 10:48:07 PM
RE Scientists Matese and Whitmire:  Mentioned in this current NASA article.
Please see the blue highlighted text in the Frequently Asked Questions section, below.
Town Hall Member h.cometti posted info on this article in another Topic,

https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?action=post;quote=45519;topic=2852.0;last_msg=45519 (https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?action=post;quote=45519;topic=2852.0;last_msg=45519)

- Yowbarb
...
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/WISE/news/wise20110218.htm (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/WISE/news/wise20110218.htm)

NASA: Can WISE Find the Hypothetical 'Tyche'?
02.18.11
 
Mosaic of the Lagoon nebula This colorful picture is a mosaic of the Lagoon nebula taken by NASA’s Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer, or WISE.
Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCLA
Full image and caption:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/WISE/multimedia/gallery/pia13453.html (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/WISE/multimedia/gallery/pia13453.html)

Background

In November 2010, the scientific journal Icarus published a paper by astrophysicists John Matese and Daniel Whitmire, who proposed the existence of a binary companion to our sun, larger than Jupiter, in the long-hypothesized "Oort cloud" -- a faraway repository of small icy bodies at the edge of our solar system. The researchers use the name "Tyche" for the hypothetical planet. Their paper argues that evidence for the planet would have been recorded by the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE).

WISE is a NASA mission, launched in December 2009, which scanned the entire celestial sky at four infrared wavelengths about 1.5 times. It captured more than 2.7 million images of objects in space, ranging from faraway galaxies to asteroids and comets relatively close to Earth. Recently, WISE completed an extended mission, allowing it to finish a complete scan of the asteroid belt, and two complete scans of the more distant universe, in two infrared bands. So far, the mission's discoveries of previously unknown objects include an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf, 20 comets, 134 near-Earth objects (NEOs), and more than 33,000 asteroids in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.

Following its successful survey, WISE was put into hibernation in February 2011. Analysis of WISE data continues. A preliminary public release of the first 14 weeks of data is planned for April 2011, and the final release of the full survey is planned for March 2012.

Frequently Asked Questions

Q: When could data from WISE confirm or rule out the existence of the hypothesized planet Tyche?

A: It is too early to know whether WISE data confirms or rules out a large object in the Oort cloud. Analysis over the next couple of years will be needed to determine if WISE has actually detected such a world or not. The first 14 weeks of data, being released in April 2011, are unlikely to be sufficient. The full survey, scheduled for release in March 2012, should provide greater insight. Once the WISE data are fully processed, released and analyzed, the Tyche hypothesis that Matese and Whitmire propose will be tested.

Q: Is it a certainty that WISE would have observed such a planet if it exists?

A: It is likely but not a foregone conclusion that WISE could confirm whether or not Tyche exists. Since WISE surveyed the whole sky once, then covered the entire sky again in two of its infrared bands six months later, WISE would see a change in the apparent position of a large planet body in the Oort cloud over the six-month period. The two bands used in the second sky coverage were designed to identify very small, cold stars (or brown dwarfs) -- which are much like planets larger than Jupiter, as Tyche is hypothesized to be.

Q: If Tyche does exist, why would it have taken so long to find another planet in our solar system?

A: Tyche would be too cold and faint for a visible light telescope to identify. Sensitive infrared telescopes could pick up the glow from such an object, if they looked in the right direction. WISE is a sensitive infrared telescope that looks in all directions.

Q: Why is the hypothesized object dubbed "Tyche," and why choose a Greek name when the names of other planets derive from Roman mythology?

A: In the 1980s, a different companion to the sun was hypothesized. That object, named for the Greek goddess "Nemesis," was proposed to explain periodic mass extinctions on the Earth. Nemesis would have followed a highly elliptical orbit, perturbing comets in the Oort Cloud roughly every 26 million years and sending a shower of comets toward the inner solar system. Some of these comets would have slammed into Earth, causing catastrophic results to life. Recent scientific analysis no longer supports the idea that extinctions on Earth happen at regular, repeating intervals. Thus, the Nemesis hypothesis is no longer needed. However, it is still possible that the sun could have a distant, unseen companion in a more circular orbit with a period of a few million years -- one that would not cause devastating effects to terrestrial life. To distinguish this object from the malevolent "Nemesis," astronomers chose the name of Nemesis's benevolent sister in Greek mythology, "Tyche."

JPL manages and operates the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. The principal investigator, Edward Wright, is at UCLA. The mission was competitively selected under NASA's Explorers Program managed by the Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. The science instrument was built by the Space Dynamics Laboratory, Logan, Utah, and the spacecraft was built by Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp., Boulder, Colo. Science operations and data processing take place at the Infrared Processing and Analysis Center at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. Caltech manages JPL for NASA. More information is online at http://www.nasa.gov/wise, (http://www.nasa.gov/wise,) http://wise.astro.ucla.edu (http://wise.astro.ucla.edu) and http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/wise (http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/wise) .
 

Whitney Clavin 818-354-4673
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
whitney.clavin@jpl.nasa.gov

2011
 
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Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on October 05, 2011, 08:42:18 AM
Barb ... I agree ... if they would point the WISE sat at it, they would know .... but in my opinion ... they already know, but won't say it.   Thoses two Scientists worked with Dr. Robert S. Harrington ... they know full well what is coming ... that is why they have put out all of those papers on it ... changing the name each time ... its the same object, they just don't have the guts to stand up and say so!

Here is a leaked Infrared image of the thing from 2007-08 ... I have more, but I'm afraid to post them on account Starviewer would be in danger
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: errrv on October 05, 2011, 11:14:50 AM
That looks strikingly familiar! Is it closer now?
Erv
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on October 05, 2011, 11:50:03 AM
If StarViewerTeam is to beleived .... less than 8 AU's out ... around the orbit of Saturn
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: errrv on October 05, 2011, 11:59:39 AM
Current time?
Erv
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on October 05, 2011, 12:13:43 PM
Yes ... current time:)
Captain Bill/Mythi, a youtuber under the name of Alanticobr has been posting videos for some time with information very close to, or surpassing the info from SVT!
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: jrobert69 on October 05, 2011, 12:39:53 PM
Yes ... current time:)
Captain Bill/Mythi, a youtuber under the name of Alanticobr has been posting videos for some time with information very close to, or surpassing the info from SVT!

He has some "unusual" videos. Possibly on purpose?
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Amy Evans on October 05, 2011, 12:43:08 PM
Always a possibility ... in a few of his videos he used a star chart I found on the StarViewer Home Web page a few years back ... so there is a connection
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Yowbarb on October 05, 2011, 06:14:40 PM
Barb ... I agree ... if they would point the WISE sat at it, they would know .... but in my opinion ... they already know, but won't say it.   Thoses two Scientists worked with Dr. Robert S. Harrington ... they know full well what is coming ... that is why they have put out all of those papers on it ... changing the name each time ... its the same object, they just don't have the guts to stand up and say so!

Here is a leaked Infrared image of the thing from 2007-08 ... I have more, but I'm afraid to post them on account Starviewer would be in danger

Amy, thanks for you input, very valuable as always,
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: jrobert69 on October 25, 2011, 02:57:20 PM
This guy here with these coordinates  13 57 36.3  -11 37 10.4
Found something that looks very much like your picture above. I went to sky view and inputted them. Id have to say its the same thing. He claims to have looked up these coordinates from looking at the second sun. I dont know enough to know if thats possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0suGxHVGXP0

Meant to add you can do that here
http://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/query.pl


Title: Re: Scientists mentioned in StarViewer site
Post by: Ed Douglas on October 27, 2011, 02:02:54 PM
He must know something I don't. Depth; how far away? Coordinates would also indicate this in position.  Not to mention, where was the sun, at the time discovering the coordinates?    ed ed