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Title: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on August 31, 2010, 04:57:58 PM
Friends,

I want to write a full essay on consciousness but I’m a person of few word and I afraid not too well at writing.  My hypostasis is that consciousness is set of energy, force and waves that our own body produces.  All living things create this energy we call consciousness.  Consciousness give use the sense of awareness and liveliness. First, like me explain our brain.  Our brain is a simple set of instruction.  Our experience and knowledge has imprinted these instructions in our mind through the process of learning.  Second, our DNA is set of sensory, a portion of these sensors contain the framework of our personality. An individual will produces consciousness wave.  This wave will travel to the next person and activate the sensory of their DNA. The brain will process this information.  This how you get the feeling of being and individuality. Our consciousness is an ocean of energy produce by individual. These waves are constant and traveling instantaneously shaping our emotion.

This is the simplest way I can describe it. Its basically how it start. I hope this will help some of the individual who are trying to get in touch with their spiritual self.

8hertz
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Ed Douglas on August 31, 2010, 05:47:10 PM
8Hertz, you are wise, beyond your writing.  ed
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Jimfarmer on August 31, 2010, 07:18:23 PM
Hi 8hertz,

I think that you are on the right track, according to what I have read recently and before.  The Internet site http://www.zimbio.com/DNA/articles/11/DNA+Activation+Evolution+Human+Consciousness (http://www.zimbio.com/DNA/articles/11/DNA+Activation+Evolution+Human+Consciousness), for example, has related material and several further references.

One detail:  you said "This wave will travel to the next person and activate the sensory of their DNA. The brain will process this information."  I don't remember reading that DNA was involved in "mind-reading", where person A knows what person B is thinking.  Is that what you meant? (Maybe not)  But, if you have some references about that, I would like to read them.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on September 01, 2010, 08:52:02 AM
Hi Jimfarmer

I like that article, it saying the same things I trying to express.  The only difference is that I am linking us to consciousness. We hold the keys to our consciousness. This is a break-thru in science once the super-mind of our society start to grasp the idea. This is how we as beings are all connected. It may be hard for you to absorb this, but think of it this way.  There are 6 billion consciousnesses on earth and who know how many trillion of consciousness that is in our galaxy.  Ask yourself, if all living things in the universe were death would you have a feeling beside your own or better yet would you even feel (I'm not taking about your physical senses).

To answer your question about mind-reading. I don't ever know if mind-reading is possible in mine hypostasis but Telepathy is a sure thing.  Unless you are relating mind-reading and Telepathy in the same sense.

"The brain will process this information" - The brain take the information that it receive from your DNA and translate to a feel for you to understand.

8hertz
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Linda on September 03, 2010, 05:11:22 AM
Hi  8hertz, Great Post!

Have you read or listened to Gregg Braden's Divine Matrix? Here is a link on youtube. He has some great information on how we are all linked through consciousness.

Linda
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Alfred Williams on September 03, 2010, 11:49:40 AM
Yes you can sometimes witness someone coming into a room and the room and it just lights up or the opposite. I feel everyone has the ability to not just be a part of the stearing currents but when these currents flow in mass you can still affect the masses to do great good. It is a shame much energy has to be expended to nullify or render ineffective harmful actions. I still feel we can do it. Some now can feel and connect with the higher states of being but most are oblivious. Unless you connect you will not understand your personal calling. A person may take their whole life to realize why they came back into existance as a human. Good luck to all{{:>)
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on September 03, 2010, 11:38:56 PM
Linda,

Yes, I like Gregg he have a fair view of the universe. I have heard some of his interview but have not read his books.  I did review some of the youtube clip on Divine Matrix again.  This time around however, I felt he was compressing too much of the universe's creation into his Divine Matrix theory, from the smallest particle to the creation of the galaxy and stars. Which can be overwhelming and confusing. Good piece of work but by end of each one of these research book, I have found that there really is no acknowledgment of what consciousness is but to say that is out there.

Our physical world exists in the universe on top of a layer of energies, waves and forces of the universe. Our mind works at the speed of light.  In order for our physical being to understand balance of thought. Our consciousness is producing waves that are many times faster then the speed of light.

8hertz
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on October 05, 2010, 10:42:49 AM
The brain scans that prove couples share a ‘sixth sense’

By Daily Mail Reporter Last updated at 1:56 AM on 27th September 2010
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315326/Sixth-sense-really-does-exist-Research-shows-brains-couples-love-work-together.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315326/Sixth-sense-really-does-exist-Research-shows-brains-couples-love-work-together.html)

Ever had the feeling that your partner has the power to read your mind? Well you may not be imagining it.
Scientists have found that some couples are so in tune that their brains begin to work in sync.
In research that points to the existence of a ‘sixth sense’, the team found identical patterns of brain activity in volunteers who had become so close they were ‘physiologically aligned’.

That means they had reached a state in which their nervous systems were ticking over in harmony, helping them to know each other’s thoughts and emotions.

The extraordinary findings emerged from an analysis of brain activity in patients and counsellors in therapy sessions.
The researchers involved believe it also sheds light on the behaviour of couples, close friends or family members. Psychologists have long known that some couples learn to think like each other – allowing them to ‘know’ what their partner is thinking or about to say.

But the new study goes further by looking into the activity of the nervous system.

Dr Trisha Stratford, of Sydney’s University of Technology, studied the brains and heartbeats of 30 volunteers during counselling sessions.

She identified a crucial moment when the counsellor and patient’s brains started to work in sync in an ‘altered state’.
She said: ‘When this happens we can read each other’s brains and bodies at a deeper level – a sixth sense.’

During the ‘altered state’, the part of each person’s brain that controls the nervous system began to beat together.

8hertz
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: noproblemo2 on October 05, 2010, 10:56:33 AM
Very interesting article 8hertz.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: _cj_ on October 05, 2010, 11:34:39 AM
sounds like the cosmic consciousness - you know when your wife is in the house even if her car isnt in the drive - you know when the baby is going to cry before she does it ................and my dogs know everything ( clever animals dogs )

nice post 8herts

regards,

alex
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: _cj_ on December 26, 2010, 03:09:39 PM
no to me - but welcome anyway

regards,

alex
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: noproblemo2 on December 26, 2010, 03:25:18 PM
Welcome LightBeing, nice to have you with us here.Others will soon weigh in with their thoughts as to what you have posted
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: augonit on December 26, 2010, 08:31:15 PM
The only thing I've heard of is Tesla.  He was way ahead of his time.  Tell us about the others.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 27, 2010, 12:09:28 PM
Yes, I know of these words. You  might be talking "Angels and Demons" here. You hide your intentions by misspelling some of the words. You are actually speaking of one specific "Hall". Perhaps you speak of Pastore Reet in Atlanta area, it is a school of "mines", not minds, Malki, Rachael, and "man made rapture, can be put into a context about man's ascending, or the coming of the antichrist to start the whole thing.  Tesla's main invention was the "Tesla coil", which could "miraculously pull 'free electricity' from the waves in the universe, but these waves are actually created by humans, themselves. Should I proceed further? PM me if you'd like   ed
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: _cj_ on December 27, 2010, 04:18:24 PM
damn ed - is there anything you dont know ?? 8)

Regards,

alex
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Yowbarb on December 28, 2010, 07:32:03 AM
Hi everyone.Im new here..I just found this last night and got approved today to chat..Im the worst speller ever and hope to to offend anyone..

I have a story to tell!!! seems as if I was the only one on earth..and for me this is serious..I was awakened a little over 2 years ago on my 45 birthday..The morning of..since then!!! Iev filed bankrupsey, 1.5 million dollars in cash gone, house gone,cars gone, 24 years of work into a business and customer bace,,,Gone..Today I sit at the library public PC with nothing but the shoes on my feet...

But the story only starts there..You would think I would be on the virge of harry carry....Im not..trust me..

For starters I would like to post some words and ask anyone if they mean anything to them??
If so I would like to here from you..

1) Pastor Reet

2) The Great Halls

3)Tessla

4) Pandor's School of minds

5) Malki

6) Man made Rapture

7) Rachael

Does these things mean anything to anyone??

Hello LightBeing so this is your first post, which I had missed before. I empathize with you and I hope your
situation improves very fast. Take Care in this cold winter...
If you are typing fast from the Library that explains some of the spelling errors. I am a former proofreader/editor in training but with my
old eyes and hands I slip in a typo quite frequently...
I have sent you a couple of private messages. I have heard of Tessla and manmade rapture... yes probably some of the other topics
have crossed my radar,  but I have forgotton what they are.
Well this is mainly just to welcome you. Please do not take my messages wrong am just trying to keep
people to keep to whatever topic they are posting in.
Referring to one of the Dreams Topics, not this one.
Yowbarb
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: ASEEKERTOO on December 28, 2010, 09:11:13 AM
Friends,
I want to write a full essay on consciousness but I’m a person of few word and I afraid not too well at writing.  My hypostasis is that consciousness is set of energy, force and waves that our own body produces.  All living things create this energy we call consciousness.  Consciousness give use the sense of awareness and liveliness. First, like me explain our brain.  Our brain is a simple set of instruction.  Our experience and knowledge has imprinted these instructions in our mind through the process of learning.  Second, our DNA is set of sensory, a portion of these sensors contain the framework of our personality. An individual will produces consciousness wave.  This wave will travel to the next person and activate the sensory of their DNA. The brain will process this information.  This how you get the feeling of being and individuality. Our consciousness is an ocean of energy produce by individual. These waves are constant and traveling instantaneously shaping our emotion.
This is the simplest way I can describe it. Its basically how it start. I hope this will help some of the individual who are trying to get in touch with their spiritual self.      8hertz
Hi 8,
Wanted to contemplate what you said here about a week ago but another message here sidetracked me and then I lost track
of where this comment was................
Anyway; came across some pretty good stuff by searching for:           mind reading  DNA
here is one of the interesting pages I found. Really makes you think about what is happening out there in a
Scientific laboratory with DNA.
http://www.aeonia.com/russian-dna-discoveries-mind-blowing
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 28, 2010, 11:39:33 AM
Alex, let's just say that I do a lot of 'research', and have for many years, to some extent. I am also active in other 'alternative methods' of learning, and 'seeing' what is happening. I am certainly not here because I am 'smart', or something like that. Mr. Masters chose me to be a moderator for reasons other than my intelligence, I would think   Please notice my topics, on this Town Hall.  ed
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: _cj_ on December 28, 2010, 11:42:38 AM
i normally sit and wait for you in astronomy ed  8)
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 28, 2010, 12:43:00 PM
Understandable. Remote viewing has been a difficult way to go, lately. At least, difficult to talk about.   ed
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: augonit on December 28, 2010, 03:16:31 PM
How do you know what you're seeing is the real truth, and not your imagination with remote viewing?  I think it would be cool if I could do it, but I don't know how I could be sure I would be seeing what's really real.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 29, 2010, 11:40:30 AM
It takes a lot of time until you know what is true and what is not. (at least you think you do)  It is not an exact science. It is all in the interpretation. I guess it depends on the person doing it. Repeatable results are best. I do not 'view' like I used to. Lately, if I go into an alpha-state, I continue on, right into a good sleep.lol  It must be an old age type of event.   ed
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: augonit on December 30, 2010, 08:51:52 AM
I would like to try to do remote viewing for the future if I could.  Do you know of sites that teach you how to do it?
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Ed Douglas on December 30, 2010, 11:03:46 AM
Yes. Google remote viewing schools or seminars. There are only a few recognized instructors that I would consider. Major Ed Danes is talked about a lot, but I might prefer DR. David Morehouse, myself. I am 'familiar' with his work. If you'd like to read a book about remote viewing in a historic story book, read "Psychic Warrior".  There are many paths up the mountain. Many use zen type of meditation, and entering the aether from there, to see what is desired.  I use a little bit of many methods, if I were to describe what I do.  ed
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: augonit on December 31, 2010, 08:03:16 AM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Donedeal2012 on January 04, 2011, 11:49:25 AM
My husband since July 12, 1986 passed away after several years of heart issues in July 2010.  I have not posted for some time.  I have experienced one of the greatest losses a person can endure.  My dreaming and premonitions have stopped and the emptiness is unbearable.  When you live with someone that long, your mind, soul, and spirit are one and I am working on re- learning how to be a spiritual being again.   Whatever i can give for the sake of learning, I am willing to discuss.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: noproblemo2 on January 04, 2011, 12:32:50 PM
Donedeal2012 I am very sorry for your loss. My heart goes out to you.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: augonit on January 04, 2011, 01:33:59 PM
Donedeal, you will start getting your premonitions and dreams back.  Right now, they are covered by your grief.  It will happen again once your heart heals more.  Give yourself time and patience.  I'm very sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Ed Douglas on January 05, 2011, 10:27:46 AM
Perhaps he is the fortunate one. I can't imagine your grief. You will have to heal yourself, as nobody can do it for you. If we could help, just ask.   ed
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Donedeal2012 on January 05, 2011, 03:20:08 PM
Thank you     If anyone could see the raw nature of having a gross imbalance of mind, spirit, and soul, i could be the poster child.  As time passes and I heal, I will be able to see more than most just how important this balance is to everything. 
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: noproblemo2 on January 05, 2011, 03:29:17 PM
Donedeal2012 these things take time, allow yourself the time to grieve, the rest will follow. We are all here for you if you want to talk or PM one of us.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: augonit on January 06, 2011, 10:07:33 AM
Yeah Donedeal, let us know if we can help.  Although I'm not quite in your situation right now, I am caring for my mother, who has cancer, and she's OK now, but I know someday will be her last day.  There are times I cry now, even though she's doing fine, but it's because I know what's coming.  So it's like grieving in advance.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on June 24, 2011, 03:05:56 PM
Friend,

I notice an interest in this topic and I would like to share a bit more on the model that I constructed.

First let me acknowledge, that I am not a religious person, I'm looking for answer in a scientific manner. In that, by observation, analytical questioning and logical reasoning. I see religion as a way of living good and well without the understanding of scientific knowledge. And I see spirituality as a way of living with the full understand of science. Think of it this way, if life understand itself on how is was form and came about. How will you manner yourself and form a meaningful society of happy beings.

As I have state consciousness is the driving life-force of your existence. There is among top scientist of our society that debate if your universe is static or dynamic. Now think about this. If our universe is static how do we sudden feel the urge to have a banana? What is it in ourselves at the very small quantum level that is telling us we want a banana? Let suppose that I was walking down the street and I saw a yellow sign. That yellow sign made me express an emotional feeling of a banana. That emotional consciousness will carry to another individual, that individual may in turn translation that consciousness to a feel of a yellow Sun. What we call random is not necessary true. There billion of consciousness on this earth and that billion do not including the animal kingdom that is not human. These billion of consciousness is bombard your mind with thoughts and shaping what you feel. What does this translate to? We are consistently speaking to one another without realize it.

ASEEKERTOO - To give my thought on the Russian DNA Discoveries Article that is in previous posted. There is error in the idea that DNA communication with frequency (I taking this as the radio frequency).  I just want to remind you that as I state, our physical world exists in the universe on top of a layer of energies, waves and forces of the universe. Sample, Gravity is known to exist but still can't be measure but is calculated.

8hertz
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Jimfarmer on June 25, 2011, 08:18:18 AM
"Gravity is known to exist but still can't be measure but is calculated."

The attraction between discrete bodies due to gravity has indeed been measured many, many times.  For example, our own body weight.

But perhaps you meant something else.  ...  Can you clarify?
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on June 27, 2011, 08:54:40 AM
Here is the best I can explain it to you.

What you are measuring is weight not gavity.
Formula is W=mg , W = weight, m= masss, g = gravitational constant = 6.67300 × 10-11 m3 kg-1 s-2

Gravitational constant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_constant

Gravitational wave
Although gravitational radiation has not yet been directly detected, there may be indirect evidence for its existence. For example, the 1993 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded for measurements of the Hulse-Taylor binary system which possibly suggests gravitational waves are more than mathematical anomalies. Various gravitational wave detectors exist. However, they remain unsuccessful in detecting such phenomena.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_waves
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Gravitational wave astronomy
Main articles: Gravitational waves and Gravitational wave astronomy
Artist's impression of the space-borne gravitational wave detector LISA
Observations of binary pulsars provide strong indirect evidence for the existence of gravitational waves (see Orbital decay, above). However, gravitational waves reaching us from the depths of the cosmos have not been detected directly, which is a major goal of current relativity-related research.[97] Several land-based gravitational wave detectors are currently in operation, most notably the interferometric detectors GEO 600, LIGO (three detectors), TAMA 300 and VIRGO.[98] A joint US-European space-based detector, LISA, is currently under development,[99] with a precursor mission (LISA Pathfinder) due for launch in 2012.[100]

Observations of gravitational waves promise to complement observations in the electromagnetic spectrum.[101] They are expected to yield information about black holes and other dense objects such as neutron stars and white dwarfs, about certain kinds of supernova implosions, and about processes in the very early universe, including the signature of certain types of hypothetical cosmic string.[102]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity#Gravitational_waves

Hope that help,

8hertz
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: ASEEKERTOO on June 27, 2011, 09:40:14 AM
[ clipped original message ]
Friends,  I want to write a full essay on consciousness but I’m a person of few word and I afraid not too
well at writing. 
     This is the simplest way I can describe it. Its basically how it start. I hope this will help some of the individual
who are trying to get in touch with their spiritual self.  8hertz 
That is a large task 8hertz.  :)
I would like to point out something. Even after we are dead and gone; the consciousness lives on so that brings
us to the question of ' Where does the consciousness reside ? '. Of course I can't speak with total knowledge
but if there is a spirit world as described by numerous references then the consciousness has to exist in some
other form than brain cells or the body..... The Bible of course speaks of sleeping after death but it also
references the Spiritual world by recounting a King going to a Sorceress to gain information from the Spirit
World.

  I guess what I am saying is that in your write-up about the consciousness residing in the Body and imprinted
within the scaffolding of DNA; don't forget to include the existence of a Consciousness in the Spirt world. Needless
to say, the whole subject gets DEEP.  :P
    p.s. The hunt for the Graviton goes on.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on June 27, 2011, 02:01:55 PM
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That is a large task 8hertz.
Yes, I agree with you, but is a task that we need to decode.

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I would like to point out something. Even after we are dead and gone; the consciousness lives on so that brings us to the question of ' Where does the consciousness reside ? '. Of course I can't speak with total knowledge but if there is a spirit world as described by numerous references then the consciousness has to exist in some other form than brain cells or the body..... The Bible of course speaks of sleeping after death but it also references the Spiritual world by recounting a King going to a Sorceress to gain information from the Spirit World.
There has been debate on life after death going on since human started living on their own. As this topic goes I do not have an answer for you. My model of consciousness leaves me to believe that consciousness is the life-force of all living things. And the physical body is the receiver of this energy. (1) But if we were to think of our DNA as a wave of energy instance of matter. That may raise the question, is our DNA our soul, is it one in the same. If this is true, the concept would bridge you into that spirit world you are looking for. I'm person of science but hold an open mind to these ideas. (2) You are thinking of consciousness as if it only on this planet Earth. My view is consciousness is everywhere through-out the universe. We haven't yet recognize the different thought of consciousness, meaning the origin of a certain thought. We have always believed that our thought is our own.
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I guess what I am saying is that in your write-up about the consciousness residing in the Body and imprinted within the scaffolding of DNA; don't forget to include the existence of a Consciousness in the Spirt world. Needless
to say, the whole subject gets DEEP.
I not saying that consciousness residing in our body, I said that our body produces these consciousness waves. The imprint is your brain thought pattern. DNA is framework of your personality and instruction for your body make-up.  
 
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p.s. The hunt for the Graviton goes on.
Again, these measurements are of changes and distance, not gravity wave. It other words, we do not have an instrument that detect Gravitational wave.
(Additional info)
https://scienceblogs.com/principles/2010/08/measuring_gravity_aint_nothin.php (https://scienceblogs.com/principles/2010/08/measuring_gravity_aint_nothin.php)
http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/ES304/MODULES/GRAV/NOTES/measgrv.html (http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/ES304/MODULES/GRAV/NOTES/measgrv.html)
 
8hertz
 
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Mrhappy on June 28, 2011, 07:23:27 AM
You sound like you are looking for answers to existence.

#1 Seek God, and build a relationship with Him. He will provide what knowledge you need to have.
#2 https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=1851.0 (https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=1851.0) Written by me, same topic.
#3 https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=1851.msg23496#msg23496 (https://planetxtownhall.com/index.php?topic=1851.msg23496#msg23496) Again, Written by me, same topic.
#4 Read "the Starseed Transmissions"
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on June 28, 2011, 08:47:52 AM
Happy

The honest true is that I am thinking beyond GOD. I have a vision of the universe which I trying to decode. This involves consciousness. I feel that we are moving toward this future and a lot of people will be in state of shock when it happens. As in, Yowradio show last night. Which side of the universe do you want to live in the physical world or the spirit world? I’m trying to share my thought to better our future.

8hertz
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Mrhappy on June 28, 2011, 09:05:25 AM
Clearly you did not read what i wrote because the 2 links i provided for you were actually essays on consciousness...
And to even think for a split second that EVERYTHING in the universe was not created by God...
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on August 18, 2011, 08:42:22 AM
Additional information on Consciousness

Through The Wormhole – Season 2: Is There a Sixth Sense?

http://bestonlinedocumentaries.com/through-the-wormhole-season-2-is-there-a-sixth-sense/ (http://bestonlinedocumentaries.com/through-the-wormhole-season-2-is-there-a-sixth-sense/)

In this second season of the documentary series Through the Wormhole aired on the Science Channel. Morgan freeman will analyze with the help of science more of most intriguing questions of humanity Is There Life After Death? Is Time an Illusion? Is There an Edge to the Universe? Are There More than Three Dimensions? Is There a Sixth Sense? Are There Parallel Universes? Can We Live Forever? What Do Aliens Look Like? These are some of the questions that this new second season covers.

This episode entitled “Are There More than Three Dimensions?” tries to solve the following questions:

Can we perceive objects and events beyond the world detected by our five senses? The true limits of our human brain remain a scientific mystery. New studies in neuroscience are showing that our minds can really detect events and objects that our conscious selves know nothing about. Can we predict events in the future? Is there such a thing as a global consciousness?

8hertz
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on August 24, 2011, 10:32:40 PM
Higgs boson may be a mirage, scientists hint


Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:54PM EDT

By Robert Evans

GENEVA (Reuters) - Scientists chasing a particle they believe may have played a vital role in creation of the universe indicated on Monday they were coming to accept it might not exist after all.

But they stressed that if the so-called Higgs boson turns out to have been a mirage, the way would be open for advances into territory dubbed "new physics" to try to answer one of the great mysteries of the cosmos.

The CERN research center, whose giant Large Hadron Collider (LHC) has been the focus of the search, said it had reported to a conference in Mumbai that possible signs of the Higgs noted last month were now seen as less significant.

A number of scientists from the center went on to make comments that raised the possibility that the mystery particle might not exist.

"Whatever the final verdict on Higgs, we are now living in very exciting times for all involved in the quest for new physics," Guido Tonelli, from one of the two LHC detectors chasing the Higgs, said as the new observations were announced.

CERN's statement said new results, which updated findings that caused excitement at another scientific gathering in Grenoble last month, "show that the elusive Higgs particle, if it exists, is running out of places to hide."

NEW PHYSICS

The centre's research director Sergio Bertolucci told the conference, at the Indian city's Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, that if the Higgs did not exist "its absence will point the way to new physics."

Under what is known as the Standard Model of physics, the boson, which was named after British physicist Peter Higgs, is posited as having been the agent that gave mass and energy to matter just after the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago.

As a result, flying debris from that primeval explosion could come together as stars, planets and galaxies.

In the subterranean LHC, which began operating at the end of March 2010, CERN engineers and physicists have created billions of miniature versions of the Big Bang by smashing particles together at just a fraction under the speed of light.

The results of those collisions are monitored by hundreds of physicists not just at CERN but in linked laboratories around the world which sift through the vast volumes of information generated by the LHC.

Scientists at the U.S. Fermilab near Chicago have been in a parallel search in their Tevatron collider for nearly 30 years. Last month they said they hoped to establish if the Higgs exists by the end of September, when the Tevatron closes down.

For some scientists, the Higgs remains the simplest explanation of how matter got mass. It remains unclear what could replace it as an explanation. "We know something is missing, we simply don't quite know what this new something might be," wrote CERN blogger Pauline Gagnon.

"There are many models out there; we simply need to be nudged in the right direction," added Gagnon, an experimental physicist.

(Editing by Andrew Heavens)

8hertz
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Jimfarmer on April 14, 2012, 11:15:36 PM
I feel compelled to relate an epiphany that hit me a few hours ago.  It concerns the question "What is God?" that has bugged me since early youth.  The answer goes like this:

Humans have souls that are simply constructs of the Strings (of String Theory) just like everything else in the universe, but in a higher density than the one that our bodies inhabit.   (Densities are frequency bands of vibration of the Strings.  There are several major bands and several sub-bands within each major band)

All animals have souls, as do all plants, macroscopic and microscopic.  (See the work of Clive Baxter on the reaction of plants to thoughts by humans.)

Our organs, and the organs of all animals and plants, also have their "sub"-souls.  (See books by Dr. Zhi Sha.)

In fact, individual molecules and crystals have individual sub-sub-souls, including especially water molecules.  (e.g, see the works of Dr. Masaru Emoto.)

Atoms and subatomic particles have their own versions of soul-lets.

This all arises from the simple geometric patterns that arise from resonance phenomena of  the vibrations of the Strings in clumps -- in the various densities and dimensions, of which there are 10 or possibly 11 or 26, according to String Theory.   (Google "Chladni lines" and "Cymatics".)  Hence "Sacred Geometry", both platonic and Egyptian (bacteria killed by the mere presence of small wands of very specific shapes).

The same extension applies to planets (e.g, Gaia), galaxies, and universes (See "Our Egg Carton Universe"; the major mass units of the universe lie on the edges of several contiguous octahedrons)  They have super-souls, super-super-souls, etc  also.

God: the soul of the Universe (that we inhabit - there might be more of them).
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Eliphaz on April 15, 2012, 12:17:38 AM
Jim, I think - or rather keep as conviction - very much along the lines that you verbalized. It is a very coherent summary of the Universe and consciousness, but indeed has taken take years to sink in to your head in an extent to influence practical life.

BTW, consciousness hypostasis is an excellent term for what is being talked about. "By accident"... I think not!
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: enlightenme on April 15, 2012, 04:02:44 AM
I feel compelled to relate an epiphany that hit me a few hours ago.  It concerns the question "What is God?" that has bugged me since early youth.  The answer goes like this: .....................................


Jim, What an epiphany!  "What is God?"  I too had often pondered this, as I'm sure many others too....But what an amazing explanation!  I wish I understood physics, old or new, better than I do.  But I sure like your explanation and theory.  I have read some of what you were talking about, ie., Clive Baxter's work, etc.  In "The Source Field Investigations" by David Wilcock.  Definitely not an "easy read", but a very interesting book, which ties a lot of things together.  Thanks for your excellent post and sharing your epiphany with us!
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: bittersweetorchards on April 15, 2012, 03:40:54 PM
It will be difficult for many to think of God outside of a religious context even though the 'context' should be spiritual. The overwhelming majority of the worlds population is literally unable to wonder of God, god, or the creator . . . IMHO . . . let alone rocks trees or inanimate objects having souls
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Jamesomatic on April 16, 2012, 04:57:02 AM
Jim, thanks for the very nicely stated summary of your epiphany.  It just feels right to me.  Thank you VERY much!
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: steedy on April 16, 2012, 06:44:24 AM
Bittersweet--I've always thought that animals know who God is better than we do.  I'm willing to bet plants do too.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on July 01, 2013, 09:32:36 AM
An intriguing consciousness theory, but skeptics want evidence

Tanya Lewis, LiveScience June 28, 2013 at 2:54 PM ET NBC News
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/intriguing-consciousness-theory-skeptics-want-evidence-6C10486211 (http://www.nbcnews.com/science/intriguing-consciousness-theory-skeptics-want-evidence-6C10486211)

NEW YORK — The idea that consciousness arises from quantum mechanical phenomena in the brain is intriguing, yet lacks evidence, scientists say.

Physicist Roger Penrose of the University of Oxford and anesthesiologist Stuart Hameroff of the University of Arizona propose that the brain acts as a quantum computer — a computational machine that makes use of quantum mechanical phenomena (like the ability of particles to be in two places at once) to perform complex calculations. In the brain, fibers inside neurons could form the basic units of quantum computation, Penrose and Hameroff explained at the Global Future 2045 International Congress, a futuristic conference held here June 15-16.

The idea is appealing, because neuroscience, so far, has no satisfactory explanation for consciousness — the state of being self-aware and having sensory experiences and thoughts. But many scientists are skeptical, citing a lack of experimental evidence for the idea. [Consciousness to Sleep: Top 10 Mysteries of the Mind]

The Orch OR model
Penrose and Hameroff developed their ideas independently, but collaborated in the early 1990s to develop what they call the Orchestrated Objective Reduction (Orch OR) model.

Penrose's work rests on an interpretation of the mathematician Kurt Godel's incompleteness theorem, which states that certain results cannot be proven by a computer algorithm. Penrose argues that human mathematicians are capable of proving so-called "Godel-unprovable" results, and therefore human brains cannot be described as typical computers. Instead, he says, to achieve these higher abilities, brain processes must rely on quantum mechanics.

But Penrose's theory didn't explain how this quantum computing occurred inside actual brains, just that the phenomenon would be needed to solve certain mathematical equations. Hameroff read Penrose's work and suggested small fibrous structures that give cells their structural support — known as microtubules — might be capable of carrying out quantum computations.

Microtubules are made up of units of the protein tubulin, which contains regions where electrons are swirling around very close to each other. Hameroff proposed that these electrons could become "quantum entangled," a state in which two particles retain a connection, and an action performed on one affects the other, even when the two are separated by a distance.

In the Orch OR model, the mathematical probabilities that describe the quantum states of these entangled electrons in microtubules become unstable in space-time. These mathematical probabilities are called wave functions, and in this scenario they collapse, moving from a state of probability to a specific actuality. In this state, the microtubules in one neuron could be linked to those in other neurons via electrical connections known as gap junctions. These junctions would allow the electrons to "tunnel" to other regions of the brain, resulting in waves of neural activity that are perceived as conscious experience.

"Penrose had a mechanism for consciousness, and I had a structure," Hameroff told LiveScience.

Problems with the model
Interesting as it sounds, the Orch OR model has not been tested experimentally, and many scientists reject it.
Quantum computers — computers that take advantage of quantum mechanical effects to achieve extremely speedy calculations — have been theorized, but only one (built by the company D-Wave) is commercially available, and whether it's a true quantum computer is debated. Such computers would be extremely sensitive to perturbations in a system, which scientists refer to as "noise." In order to minimize noise, it's important to isolate the system and keep it very cold (because heat causes particles to speed up and generate noise).

Building quantum computers is challenging even under carefully controlled conditions. "This paints a desolate picture for quantum computation inside the wet and warm brain,” Christof Koch and Klaus Hepp of the University of Zurich Switzerland, wrote in an essay published in 2006 in the journal Nature.

Another problem with the model has to do with the timescales involved in the quantum computation. MIT physicist Max Tegmark has done calculations of quantum effects in the brain, finding that quantum states in the brain last far too short a time to lead to meaningful brain processing. Tegmark called the Orch OR model vague, saying the only numbers he’s seen for more concrete models are way off.

"Many people seem to feel that consciousness is a mystery and quantum mechanics is a mystery, so they must be related," Tegmark told LiveScience.

The Orch OR model draws criticism from neuroscientists as well. The model holds that quantum fluctuations inside microtubules produce consciousness. But microtubules are also found in plant cells, said theoretical neuroscientist Bernard Baars, chief executive officer of the nonprofit Society for Mind-Brain Sciences in Falls Church, Va., who added, "plants, to the best of our knowledge, are not conscious."

These criticisms do not rule out quantum consciousness in principle, but without experimental evidence, many scientists remain unconvinced.

"If somebody comes up with just one single experiment" to demonstrate quantum consciousness, Baars said, "I will drop all my skepticism."

Follow Tanya Lewis on Twitter and Google+. Follow us @livescience, Facebook andGoogle+. Original article on LiveScience.com.

Copyright 2013 LiveScience, a TechMediaNetwork company. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: enlightenme on August 13, 2013, 05:19:05 AM
An intriguing consciousness theory, but skeptics want evidence

Tanya Lewis, LiveScience June 28, 2013 at 2:54 PM ET NBC News
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/intriguing-consciousness-theory-skeptics-want-evidence-6C10486211 (http://www.nbcnews.com/science/intriguing-consciousness-theory-skeptics-want-evidence-6C10486211)

NEW YORK — The idea that consciousness arises from quantum mechanical phenomena in the brain is intriguing, yet lacks evidence, scientists say.

Physicist Roger Penrose of the University of Oxford and anesthesiologist Stuart Hameroff of the University of Arizona propose that the brain acts as a quantum computer — a computational machine that makes use of quantum mechanical phenomena (like the ability of particles to be in two places at once) to perform complex calculations. In the brain, fibers inside neurons could form the basic units of quantum computation, Penrose and Hameroff explained at the Global Future 2045 International Congress, a futuristic conference held here June 15-16.

The idea is appealing, because neuroscience, so far, has no satisfactory explanation for consciousness — the state of being self-aware and having sensory experiences and thoughts. But many scientists are skeptical, citing a lack of experimental evidence for the idea. [Consciousness to Sleep: Top 10 Mysteries of the Mind]

The Orch OR model
Penrose and Hameroff developed their ideas independently, but collaborated in the early 1990s to develop what they call the Orchestrated Objective Reduction (Orch OR) model.

Penrose's work rests on an interpretation of the mathematician Kurt Godel's incompleteness theorem, which states that certain results cannot be proven by a computer algorithm. Penrose argues that human mathematicians are capable of proving so-called "Godel-unprovable" results, and therefore human brains cannot be described as typical computers. Instead, he says, to achieve these higher abilities, brain processes must rely on quantum mechanics.

But Penrose's theory didn't explain how this quantum computing occurred inside actual brains, just that the phenomenon would be needed to solve certain mathematical equations. Hameroff read Penrose's work and suggested small fibrous structures that give cells their structural support — known as microtubules — might be capable of carrying out quantum computations.

Microtubules are made up of units of the protein tubulin, which contains regions where electrons are swirling around very close to each other. Hameroff proposed that these electrons could become "quantum entangled," a state in which two particles retain a connection, and an action performed on one affects the other, even when the two are separated by a distance.

In the Orch OR model, the mathematical probabilities that describe the quantum states of these entangled electrons in microtubules become unstable in space-time. These mathematical probabilities are called wave functions, and in this scenario they collapse, moving from a state of probability to a specific actuality. In this state, the microtubules in one neuron could be linked to those in other neurons via electrical connections known as gap junctions. These junctions would allow the electrons to "tunnel" to other regions of the brain, resulting in waves of neural activity that are perceived as conscious experience.

"Penrose had a mechanism for consciousness, and I had a structure," Hameroff told LiveScience.

Problems with the model
Interesting as it sounds, the Orch OR model has not been tested experimentally, and many scientists reject it.
Quantum computers — computers that take advantage of quantum mechanical effects to achieve extremely speedy calculations — have been theorized, but only one (built by the company D-Wave) is commercially available, and whether it's a true quantum computer is debated. Such computers would be extremely sensitive to perturbations in a system, which scientists refer to as "noise." In order to minimize noise, it's important to isolate the system and keep it very cold (because heat causes particles to speed up and generate noise).

Building quantum computers is challenging even under carefully controlled conditions. "This paints a desolate picture for quantum computation inside the wet and warm brain,” Christof Koch and Klaus Hepp of the University of Zurich Switzerland, wrote in an essay published in 2006 in the journal Nature.

Another problem with the model has to do with the timescales involved in the quantum computation. MIT physicist Max Tegmark has done calculations of quantum effects in the brain, finding that quantum states in the brain last far too short a time to lead to meaningful brain processing. Tegmark called the Orch OR model vague, saying the only numbers he’s seen for more concrete models are way off.

"Many people seem to feel that consciousness is a mystery and quantum mechanics is a mystery, so they must be related," Tegmark told LiveScience.

The Orch OR model draws criticism from neuroscientists as well. The model holds that quantum fluctuations inside microtubules produce consciousness. But microtubules are also found in plant cells, said theoretical neuroscientist Bernard Baars, chief executive officer of the nonprofit Society for Mind-Brain Sciences in Falls Church, Va., who added, "plants, to the best of our knowledge, are not conscious."

These criticisms do not rule out quantum consciousness in principle, but without experimental evidence, many scientists remain unconvinced.

"If somebody comes up with just one single experiment" to demonstrate quantum consciousness, Baars said, "I will drop all my skepticism."

Follow Tanya Lewis on Twitter and Google+. Follow us @livescience, Facebook andGoogle+. Original article on LiveScience.com.

Copyright 2013 LiveScience, a TechMediaNetwork company. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.



Thanks for posting 8hertz!  Very Interesting...sorry I hadn't noticed until just now!  (I've been out of touch for awhile)
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Jimfarmer on August 13, 2013, 08:22:39 AM
Quote
The Orch OR model draws criticism from neuroscientists as well. The model holds that quantum fluctuations inside microtubules produce consciousness. But microtubules are also found in plant cells, said theoretical neuroscientist Bernard Baars, chief executive officer of the nonprofit Society for Mind-Brain Sciences in Falls Church, Va., who added, "plants, to the best of our knowledge, are not conscious."

Ah, but they are.  See the work of Cleve Backster  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleve_Backster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleve_Backster).   I personally send energy to trees at my residence, and I feel their appreciation of my appreciation of them.  On one occasion, I felt the sadness of some trees that were scheduled to be cut down -- I did not know that at the time, I just felt their sadness.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Endtimesgal_2012 on August 14, 2013, 06:10:11 PM
Oh Jim, I like what you had to say about knowing the trees were being sad about going to be cut down.  I often think about how everything has consciousness.  Dolores Cannon has regressed a lot of people to former lives where they were part of nature in one form or another.  I know it sounds like a stretch, but when one reads her books, in sequence, one can begin to see how everything is connected.

 I had to kill a spider in the bathtub the other day, and I was so upset about it, but could not figure out how to remove it without harming it or possibly getting bit.  I apologized to the spider and said a little prayer.  Sounds silly to some, but still I do not want harm to come to anything, whether trees, bugs, whatever. 

Sometimes I talk to the trees and bushes while out for my walk, and even praise the sky for just "being" and providing us with such brilliance here in Reno.  I have become so much more aware of how we are all connected and when we harm someone or something else, we are also harming ourselves.  I cannot wonder if mankind will ever as a whole wake up to this and change their ways.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on September 24, 2019, 05:01:54 AM
Science moving in the same path but no governments support.

https://youtu.be/uCIgxYuNGu0

8hertz
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: R.R. Book on September 24, 2019, 06:43:39 AM
Excellent film 8hertz! 

The only thing I'd say differently is the part about religious snake handling not having any negative effects.  We had a discussion here in Town Hall this summer which included documentation of numerous Appalachian people dying from snake handling in their churches, and were saddened that among those fatally bitten were some youths in those congregations.

Please post more when you can!   :)
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on September 24, 2019, 09:37:39 PM
I believe you are missing the point. Anyhow these churches shouldn’t be playing with snake.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on December 10, 2019, 06:25:10 PM
Here another interesting video.

This Recent Discovery Is So Powerful It Defies Belief | Gregg Braden" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/fr6cBNpXjDM

Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: R.R. Book on December 11, 2019, 06:26:06 AM
That was very timely and well-worth watching!  Thank you so much for posting.  :)
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: ilinda on December 11, 2019, 01:39:07 PM
Here another interesting video.

This Recent Discovery Is So Powerful It Defies Belief | Gregg Braden" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/fr6cBNpXjDM
Amazing story of that little girl, well both little girls, the murder victim and the heart recipient.  Wonderful.  Thanks for posting this incredible video.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on December 18, 2019, 07:55:05 PM
I started this conversation back in 8/2010 about consciousness connecting DNA. And also with a reference to Gregg Braden by Linda.

Here a youtube 12/15/2019 talk by Gregg Braden on DNA. Most watch.

Scientists "We Have Never Seen Anything Like This" | Gregg Braden Discoveries
https://youtu.be/zy6mVAb-UjU

Let learn to not just love one another but love everyone and everything because we make and we are a integral part of everything in this universe. I will say it again, we are one.

Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: R.R. Book on December 19, 2019, 05:55:11 PM
Thanks so much for posting that - I saved the whole Youtube channel to my favorites!
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: 8hertz on December 20, 2019, 11:25:52 AM
Very Glad you like it.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: Yowbarb on December 20, 2019, 11:41:50 AM
I started this conversation back in 8/2010 about consciousness connecting DNA. And also with a reference to Gregg Braden by Linda.

Here a youtube 12/15/2019 talk by Gregg Braden on DNA. Most watch.

Scientists "We Have Never Seen Anything Like This" | Gregg Braden Discoveries
https://youtu.be/zy6mVAb-UjU

Let learn to not just love one another but love everyone and everything because we make and we are a integral part of everything in this universe. I will say it again, we are one.

8hertz,  :) thanks for your recent posts here. It's great to see you on here.
Happy Holidays,
Barb T.
Title: Re: Consciousness Hypostasis
Post by: ilinda on December 20, 2019, 04:56:07 PM
Very Glad you like it.
Am loving it.  The video locked up at 11:55 and no matter what I try, it won't go forward.  It is sort of stuttering at 11:55.  I even backed out of the whole thing and reloaded the link, and there it was again, locked at 11:55.  Will try later, as THAT is one video that is a total winner!

Even without seeing the rest (for now) I can say this "field" Greg Braden is talking is the same one that is the subject of Lynne McTaggarts book, The Field.  It is so good that a number of people are researching this area, and it will probably quickly transform humankind.

THANKS for posting this!!!